Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
Aye! On March 1, 2014 10:30:53 PM EST, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Max wrote: Dieselvolk, Max is back!! mao -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hitter / Easley List
Glad this list is still here! I guess that means I'm not quite as important as Hendrik, me going absent for over a year and I see new names now On March 1, 2014 10:36:58 PM EST, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah I think a lot of folk have gone to the big ones, such as benzworld, MB world and MBCA forum. People have only so much time to trawl forums/lists and if you get bored you tend to move on. See, if Adolf had not forced me to quit, it may well be the most popular MB list in the universe. Hendrik who is suffering from delusions of grandeur -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Max is back!! [was Re: Testing OM603 head for cracks]
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:16:02 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Aye! On March 1, 2014 10:30:53 PM EST, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Max wrote: Dieselvolk, Max is back!! Glad to see you back, Max. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
i sell bilsteins, btw. not sure if i've ever mentioned that Only 639,285,172 times. AutohausAZ has better prices ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
Max Welcome back. I was just wondering what happened to you a few days ago. I have never pressure checked a head, so I don't know the procedure. 15 psi sounds about right to me, so a wood plate may work, especially if you have a non-porous wood like birch or had maple. I'd not worry too much about sealing the valves, the point would be to look for bubbles coming out of unexpected places. I made my own form of cyl leakdown test years ago. the question was not is there a leak,? but Is there any leak that is different for one cyl? for that test. I used full pressure from the air compressor for that. I think you could tell bubbles coming from a valve vs bubbles coming from a coolant passage whiile underwater. You might ask around auto machine shops to see if anyone can test the head and is willing to let you watch. Around here, many will let you watch. HTH Dieselvolk, A new chapter has begun in the never-ending saga of the head replacement on my '87 wagon. I finally removed the first replacement head, #20 casting, because of a problem with a hydraulic lifter bore and because the cooling system would remain pressurized overnight, following the rare occasions when I drove the car. This head was supposedly tested for cracks by our best local machine shop. I was really hoping to find evidence that the head gasket had failed, but to my inexperienced eye, it looks fine. So I'm thinking of ways to test the head for cracks. If there is a crack which allows exhaust gas into the cooling system, then if I pressurized the exhaust manifold and immersed the head in water, bubbles from any cooling passage would indicate a crack, no? How much pressure will the exhaust valves hold? Any clever ideas for sealing them closed? I was thinking of using wax, but the melting point is too low. The factory test requires a special plate bolted to the block side of the head, and then the cooling passages are pressurized to 15 psi and the head is immersed in water heated to 80 degrees C. I've also thought about fabricating my own plate from wood. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
Did you re-use the headbolts when replacing that head? Not a good idea as they usually fail to keep the head gasket sealed. The other symptom of a cracked head is excessive water smoke when cold and coolant loss, although if you have a pressurized cooling system you should be able have someone check for exhaust gas in the coolant, Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
In nature, predators always take the weak from the herd first. In open competition, only the strong win. In government imposed diversity that natural balance is skewed. By government mandate, the banks that failed were saved, Solandra got loans, government employees who don't produce are retained and promoted By Congressional edict, a certain portion of the work force must be hired and retained based on some physical attribute other than job skill. We are then taxed to servitude to pay for all of this social engineering under the guise of it's for the public good. And we wonder why the world is out of balance? In my considered opine, it equates to castrating your self because your neighbor has to many children. Not logical to natures rule of survival. Grant... On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: HF wrote: Qantas is in the red and gonna lay off a pile of workers, cut routes, sell planes, etc Maybe partly due to having a lot of union workers on very good rates. Read the NYT article Jon put up about the way airlines are forming today - very sad. But with wages and costs and shareholder demands, etc this is the logical end of things, literally the end. Things cannot continue as they have in the past. While the immediate present seems to be struggling but fine, it really does not sound to be stable in many many ways in many places. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gravity Bleeding Brakes
Hello - I'd like to try the Gravity feed method but have lost the instructions -- can someone please provide link or directions? Thanks! -- Sincerely, Larry 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gravity Bleeding Brakes
Hello - I'd like to try the Gravity feed method but have lost the instructions -- can someone please provide link or directions? Thanks! -- Sincerely, Larry 91 300D Open up all the bleeders and let er drip. overnight is good. Come back, close the bleeders except the shortest pipe run (LF in the LHD cars in the USA) clean the reservoir if necessary. fill the reservoir up to the recommended level. read a book or do something else , but keep checking the LF wheel. ALWAYS KEEP FLUID IN THE RESERVOIR, or you will end up needing to pressure bleed. When it is dripping without bubbles, close it, do the RF next. then the LR, then the RR last. This does NOT bleed the ABS, but if you change fluid each year, that should not matter. (We all do change fluid annually, don't we?) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
Gary has superior service and shipping times. Cheapest isn't best. On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: i sell bilsteins, btw. not sure if i've ever mentioned that Only 639,285,172 times. AutohausAZ has better prices ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
F*ck nature and the survival of the fittest. We are better than that. On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:35 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: In nature, predators always take the weak from the herd first. In open competition, only the strong win. In government imposed diversity that natural balance is skewed. By government mandate, the banks that failed were saved, Solandra got loans, government employees who don't produce are retained and promoted By Congressional edict, a certain portion of the work force must be hired and retained based on some physical attribute other than job skill. We are then taxed to servitude to pay for all of this social engineering under the guise of it's for the public good. And we wonder why the world is out of balance? In my considered opine, it equates to castrating your self because your neighbor has to many children. Not logical to natures rule of survival. Grant... On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: HF wrote: Qantas is in the red and gonna lay off a pile of workers, cut routes, sell planes, etc Maybe partly due to having a lot of union workers on very good rates. Read the NYT article Jon put up about the way airlines are forming today - very sad. But with wages and costs and shareholder demands, etc this is the logical end of things, literally the end. Things cannot continue as they have in the past. While the immediate present seems to be struggling but fine, it really does not sound to be stable in many many ways in many places. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
And he's go the sexy. On Mar 2, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Gary has superior service and shipping times. Cheapest isn't best. On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: i sell bilsteins, btw. not sure if i've ever mentioned that Only 639,285,172 times. AutohausAZ has better prices ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] firewood?
The entire advertisement is one big disclaimer. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: http://lasalle.craigslist.org/grd/4320255888.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
Yup - I didn't think you were old enough to have flown Connies (I certainly am not, though I have seen them in the wild) - and I never heard of one with turbo props. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: OoopsI said ConstellationI meant Saratoga. -- OK Don There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
P3 Orions (if that's what he is referring to) are still in service. I worked with a couple of P3 groups that were stationed in the Pacific Northwest and Aleutians as submarine sniffers in the northern Pacific and Bering Sea. Dan On Mar 2, 2014, at 2:32 PM, OK Don wrote: Yup - I didn't think you were old enough to have flown Connies (I certainly am not, though I have seen them in the wild) - and I never heard of one with turbo props. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: OoopsI said ConstellationI meant Saratoga. -- OK Don There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
Jon wrote: OoopsI said ConstellationI meant Saratoga. OK wrote: Yup - I didn't think you were old enough to have flown Connies. He didn't say he _flew_ a Constellation - but flew _to_ one. Although I once did a radar approach to a fly by of the USS Constellation. So apparently he actually did a fly by of the USS Saratoga. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Saratoga_%28CV-60%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constellation_%28CV-64%29 -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
and he sells bilstein! On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: And he's go the sexy. On Mar 2, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Gary has superior service and shipping times. Cheapest isn't best. On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: i sell bilsteins, btw. not sure if i've ever mentioned that Only 639,285,172 times. AutohausAZ has better prices ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Max is back!! [was Re: Testing OM603 head for cracks]
Thanks! On March 2, 2014 9:46:46 AM EST, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Glad to see you back, Max. Craig -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
Head bolts were new. Only drove the car a few hundred miles with the 20 head. Cooling system started leaking from a hose as well, so I can't tell if it was burning coolant, but I think not as all the parts of the head exposed to combustion have equal build up of carbon. In other words, none look steam cleaned. On March 2, 2014 10:37:20 AM EST, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Did you re-use the headbolts when replacing that head? Not a good idea as they usually fail to keep the head gasket sealed. The other symptom of a cracked head is excessive water smoke when cold and coolant loss, although if you have a pressurized cooling system you should be able have someone check for exhaust gas in the coolant, Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gravity Bleeding Brakes
When I used this method, I'd start with the right rear wheel, attach hose to bleeder and put other end in bottom of jar, open bleeder and then open reservoir. If the idea is to change all the bake fluid, start by suctioning out the reservoir and filling with fresh. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
Yeah, that shiny piston head is a clue! Any cylinder head repair facility can check for cracks, but you can do the air hose test yoursefl -- use a parts blower nozzle on an air hose and blow laterally across the top of the combustion chambers. Cracks usually cause a shriek, and in some cases are clearly visible. The bad ones are between the valves and between the valves and the pre- chamber. Not repairable so far as I know. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
Nothing visible with the valves still installed. I'll clean off the carbon... On March 2, 2014 4:08:32 PM EST, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Yeah, that shiny piston head is a clue! Any cylinder head repair facility can check for cracks, but you can do the air hose test yoursefl -- use a parts blower nozzle on an air hose and blow laterally across the top of the combustion chambers. Cracks usually cause a shriek, and in some cases are clearly visible. The bad ones are between the valves and between the valves and the pre- chamber. Not repairable so far as I know. Peter -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
Yeah, that shiny piston head is a clue! Any cylinder head repair facility can check for cracks, but you can do the air hose test yoursefl -- use a parts blower nozzle on an air hose and blow laterally across the top of the combustion chambers. Cracks usually cause a shriek, and in some cases are clearly visible. The bad ones are between the valves and between the valves and the pre-chamber. Not repairable so far as I know. Peter I have a 14 head that shows no cracks, but leaks oil into #1 AFTER being refurb. I suspect the crack is deep in the intake valve passages. I suspect Max's head also has a crack deep inside where it is not visible. On Iron heads, the usual cracks were as Peter describes, between the valves and between one valve and the prechamber. In every case, these were clearly visible, and these cracks were allowed if less than 10 MM long. (on iron heads) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
Gary has superior service and shipping times. Cheapest isn't best. The Bilstein part number is the same. Makes no difference if it comes from AZ. Service and shipping time are your opinion. My opinion is different. My experience was that AZ is cheaper and faster and the service is equal, except at AZ, the customer is not abused. YMMV ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
Oil leaks into #1 is a head gasket failure for the most part -- later heads and later gaskets have a better oil passage there (it's the one going to the cam, I think). Very common failure point, and warpage could make the head fail to seal there without any cracks. The cracks that cause all the trouble are in the combustion chamber and extend to the cooling passages, are hard to find, and impossible to repair -- I suspect because they propagate too far to weld up and probably welding just causes more to form adjacent. No one has repaired on that I know of. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Why not to own a V12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Yg3aeh138 These guys do discuss the w140 and w220 S600 S65 as being great boat anchors clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
this is sort of a brilliant thought. Would have to be the right rear hydraulic one as the left rear and the front two have been replaced. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
Yes the top gear is superfluous for everything but the interstate. guess I will keep her in s. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
Oil leaks into #1 is a head gasket failure for the most part -- later heads and later gaskets have a better oil passage there (it's the one going to the cam, I think). Very common failure point, and warpage could make the head fail to seal there without any cracks. The cracks that cause all the trouble are in the combustion chamber and extend to the cooling passages, are hard to find, and impossible to repair -- I suspect because they propagate too far to weld up and probably welding just causes more to form adjacent. No one has repaired on that I know of. Peter Head surface was flat, new head gasket, new headbolts. Leaked oil into #1 before (original Head gasket blown, probably due to excess oil in cyl) Leaks oil the same into #1 after going through the head shop. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuilding bad vibrations
Yes I am running out of problems to chase down with the car just now so this one rises to the top. putting the car on stands and winding up to 80 sounds a bit too much like ferris Buehler s day off, but is otherwise a fine idea. I didn't follow the bit about 80 on stands without the driveshaft, though it seems like a safer way to test! cannot see wheel bearings doing this. thanks for your thoughts ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Speedometer.
I have mentioned before that my '87 300TD's speedo is inaccurate by about 10 mph too fast. Using a torch (flashlight) to examine the dial it appears that the pointer is about an eighth of an inch off the peg at rest. Someone's been fiddlin'. Question:- Is there a Rest Position for the needle to be set to, before lifting it back to the starting position over the peg? Instrudummy wants to know. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild / vibration issue
sorry if someone thinks this is spam anyway I mistyped it is not 120 times per second but 120 per minute, so 2 maybe even 3 or 4 vibrations per second. I will do a little math and figure out how fast the wheels spin at 75. Maybe take some video to get a better rate estimate. Thanks for your input. I appreciate all the help from everyone who has commented. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Vibration Was: transmission rebuild
Is this a 300TD? W123? this is sort of a brilliant thought. Would have to be the right rear hydraulic one as the left rear and the front two have been replaced. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:23:17 -0800 (PST) kdwittne...@yahoo.com kdwittne...@yahoo.com wrote: this is sort of a brilliant thought. Would have to be the right rear hydraulic one as the left rear and the front two have been replaced. Ummm ... while we do appreciate trimming posts, you trimmed a little too much. I don't recall the previous post. What was sort of a brilliant thought? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why not to own a V12
Along with Aston Martins and Bimmers as well. Dan On Mar 2, 2014, at 7:18 PM, clay wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Yg3aeh138 These guys do discuss the w140 and w220 S600 S65 as being great boat anchors clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vibration Was: transmission rebuild
Yes 1985 w123 300tdt ok the wheel spins 17 times per second at 75mph or much faster than the vibration. So it cannot be a wheel out of balance. has to be a harmonic of something if it is due to a rotating part, or the suspension resonating. someone mentioned alignment. it has been aligned at least twice without any change. again I just replaced flex disks and the carrier mount with no difference. so far I'm liking the shock idea. I've seen cars go down the road with a wheel bouncing up and down. could be it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
Yahoo on my phone is showing that the email I'm replying to is attached, but omitting it when I send. Sorry. the brilliant thought was the Mercury Sable with a worn out shock that would permit suspension resonance at certain speeds. I only have one shock in the rear of the wagon that is original. it is one of those expensive self leveling suckers though. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:09:13 -0800 (PST) kdwittne...@yahoo.com kdwittne...@yahoo.com wrote: the brilliant thought was the Mercury Sable with a worn out shock that would permit suspension resonance at certain speeds. I only have one shock in the rear of the wagon that is original. it is one of those expensive self leveling suckers though. Ah, yes, I remember that now. One of the wagon owners on the list will have to give you advice; I know a only a little about the wagons, and that has been from what I have read on this list. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
Yahoo on my phone is showing that the email I'm replying to is attached, but omitting it when I send. Sorry. the brilliant thought was the Mercury Sable with a worn out shock that would permit suspension resonance at certain speeds. I only have one shock in the rear of the wagon that is original. it is one of those expensive self leveling suckers though. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
Aren't you supposed to replace shocks in pairs? Gerry On 3/2/2014 8:09 PM, kdwittne...@yahoo.com wrote: Yahoo on my phone is showing that the email I'm replying to is attached, but omitting it when I send. Sorry. the brilliant thought was the Mercury Sable with a worn out shock that would permit suspension resonance at certain speeds. I only have one shock in the rear of the wagon that is original. it is one of those expensive self leveling suckers though. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedometer.
How about 10 mph below the peg? (ducks) When I fixed the trip meter, I lifted the needle over the peg at it probably came to rest around 1/2 of an inch below the peg. Might be a trial and error repair... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuilding bad vibrations
80 would be very unsafe; if only one wheel was turning, it would be going 160 mph when your speedometer read 80, which might cause that tire to come apart... On March 2, 2014 7:35:34 PM EST, kdwittne...@yahoo.com kdwittne...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes I am running out of problems to chase down with the car just now so this one rises to the top. putting the car on stands and winding up to 80 sounds a bit too much like ferris Buehler s day off, but is otherwise a fine idea. I didn't follow the bit about 80 on stands without the driveshaft, though it seems like a safer way to test! cannot see wheel bearings doing this. thanks for your thoughts ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Testing OM603 head for cracks
I suppose it could be a bad block surface, but sure does sound like a bad head. That oil passage is a weak spot, and there is no reason why it wouldn't crack through. New heads are expensive. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vibration Was: transmission rebuild
Bad tailshaft bushing on the transmission can give you funny vibrations too, and it's hard to track down since it really causes the tranny mount to vibrate, not the driveshaft per se, and will shake at the harmonic frequency of the transmission mount. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
Those never wear out. The only failure mode is leaking fluid externally. the brilliant thought was the Mercury Sable with a worn out shock that would permit suspension resonance at certain speeds. I only have one shock in the rear of the wagon that is original. it is one of those expensive self leveling suckers though. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
In fact I rarely think cheapest is best. When you call AutohausAZ you'll talk to a half-wit. I think they've probably seen a car but never driven one. Then they'll sell you something they don't actually have any of. Just in time delivery means its just in THEIR time. Just because its on the website doesn't mean they have any at that price, or can/will get them. -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 13:47:29 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild Message-ID: CACY-bALFX_fKtLqeA6-6bFOYGm8NocL==0qyqkm1qr0txpo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Gary has superior service and shipping times. Cheapest isn't best. On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: i sell bilsteins, btw. not sure if i've ever mentioned that Only 639,285,172 times. AutohausAZ has better prices ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vibration Was: transmission rebuild
Yes 1985 w123 300tdt ok the wheel spins 17 times per second at 75mph or much faster than the vibration. So it cannot be a wheel out of balance. has to be a harmonic of something if it is due to a rotating part, or the suspension resonating. someone mentioned alignment. it has been aligned at least twice without any change. again I just replaced flex disks and the carrier mount with no difference. so far I'm liking the shock idea. I've seen cars go down the road with a wheel bouncing up and down. could be it. Replacing one rear strut without the other could set up something funky. Also, are both spheres good? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vibration Was: transmission rebuild
Bad tailshaft bushing on the transmission can give you funny vibrations too, and it's hard to track down since it really causes the tranny mount to vibrate, not the driveshaft per se, and will shake at the harmonic frequency of the transmission mount. Peter But the trans was just rebuilt at SV. I've gotta believe the tailshaft bushing was replaced. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
jono tells me people walk into his shop every day with absolute garbage useless parts from AZ. i'd think it worth a small premium to be kept out of garbage (as well as a dozen other things) but most people do not, even people here who should know better On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: In fact I rarely think cheapest is best. When you call AutohausAZ you'll talk to a half-wit. I think they've probably seen a car but never driven one. Then they'll sell you something they don't actually have any of. Just in time delivery means its just in THEIR time. Just because its on the website doesn't mean they have any at that price, or can/will get them. -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 13:47:29 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild Message-ID: CACY-bALFX_fKtLqeA6-6bFOYGm8NocL==0qyqkm1qr0txpo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Gary has superior service and shipping times. Cheapest isn't best. On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: i sell bilsteins, btw. not sure if i've ever mentioned that Only 639,285,172 times. AutohausAZ has better prices ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedometer.
123 speedos have a little pip by the outer edge that tells you where to align the needle. I believe our esteemed Mr. Cathey told me about that after I'd put my 240D's speedo back together about 10mph high. I don't know if a 124 is the same. -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:33:37 -0800 (PST) From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Speedometer. Message-ID: 1393806817.84965.yahoomail...@web141004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have mentioned before that my '87 300TD's speedo is inaccurate by about 10 mph too fast. Using a torch (flashlight) to examine the dial it appears that the pointer is about an eighth of an inch off the peg at rest. Someone's been fiddlin'. Question:- Is there a Rest Position for the needle to be set to, before lifting it back to the starting position over the peg? Instrudummy wants to know. ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
Gerry re: replacing shocks in pairs yes, but most shocks don't cost 600 dollars each, or whatever these shocks seem to cost, and I didn't have much money at the time. the one I replaced was clunking when I went over bumps. the other I left for another day. I'm not sure what a normal life span is for those units. they are not normal shocks. some would say you should replace the whole car every time something goes wrong, but I try not to listen to them. Pretty much everyone I know here in LA leases a new one every year or two. it is expensive, but getting anything repaired here takes more time than I generally have available. so I try to do things in bunches. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
And they don't get the sexy, either. Dan On Mar 2, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: jono tells me people walk into his shop every day with absolute garbage useless parts from AZ. i'd think it worth a small premium to be kept out of garbage (as well as a dozen other things) but most people do not, even people here who should know better On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: In fact I rarely think cheapest is best. When you call AutohausAZ you'll talk to a half-wit. I think they've probably seen a car but never driven one. Then they'll sell you something they don't actually have any of. Just in time delivery means its just in THEIR time. Just because its on the website doesn't mean they have any at that price, or can/will get them. -Curt Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 13:47:29 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild Message-ID: CACY-bALFX_fKtLqeA6-6bFOYGm8NocL==0qyqkm1qr0txpo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Gary has superior service and shipping times. Cheapest isn't best. On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: i sell bilsteins, btw. not sure if i've ever mentioned that Only 639,285,172 times. AutohausAZ has better prices ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
I have not had such experience with them. They have been almost as good as Q, and nobody there insults the customer at every chance as some other suppliers do. I can't speak for shipping to the east coast. But to here, their shipping is a couple days. Better then Q or fats ever did unless it was 2 day air. In fact I rarely think cheapest is best. When you call AutohausAZ you'll talk to a half-wit. I think they've probably seen a car but never driven one. Then they'll sell you something they don't actually have any of. Just in time delivery means its just in THEIR time. Just because its on the website doesn't mean they have any at that price, or can/will get them. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedometer.
Question:- Is there a Rest Position for the needle to be set to, I think there's a painted pip on the dial, not visible when it's in the cluster, that's where you point it at rest, then lift it over the peg. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vibration Was: transmission rebuild
kdwittne...@yahoo.com wrote: so far I'm liking the shock idea. I've seen cars go down the road with a wheel bouncing up and down. could be it. Bad wheel bearings can shake a lot slower than once per rev. Or your shock absorber idea. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Aren't you supposed to replace shocks in pairs? In this case, the shock absorbing is done in the spheres, and you replace those in pairs. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuilding bad vibrations
Max Dillon wrote: 80 would be very unsafe; if only one wheel was turning, it would be going 160 mph when your speedometer read 80, which might cause that tire to come apart... ...or the differential. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuilding bad vibrations
Max Dillon wrote: 80 would be very unsafe; if only one wheel was turning, it would be going 160 mph when your speedometer read 80, which might cause that tire to come apart... ...or the differential. Mitch. No, the tire speed rating has to do with heat. THe tire does not heat up spinning in air. The right rear tire won't come apart, but you don't want the speedo going 80 on stands for long. Just long enough to see the driveshaft oscillating, or not. That does not cause the tire to come apart, or the diff to fail as long as it has the proper level of the right grease in it. I've done it to diagnose driveshaft problems. It only takes a second at the harmonious speed. Then you see the driveshaft oscillating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
jono tells me people walk into his shop every day with absolute garbage useless parts from AZ. i'd think it worth a small premium to be kept out of garbage (as well as a dozen other things) but most people do not, even people here who should know better Sorry, but a bilstein part number is the same product from AZ or from anyone else. Even from you. Your scare tactics don't work. Same with a Bosch part number, or anything else. Yes, AZ sells uro, and so do you. Cut the self-righteous BS. The parts are all the same. You know that too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuild
And they don't get the sexy, either. Dan Nothing sexy about blubber ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
I have not fully looked into it but Qantas is bleating about their competitors getting assistance from their governments, how much truth there is to that I do not know. Hendrik who gets a little assistance from the government On 03/03/14 03:05, G Mann wrote: In nature, predators always take the weak from the herd first. In open competition, only the strong win. In government imposed diversity that natural balance is skewed. By government mandate, the banks that failed were saved, Solandra got loans, government employees who don't produce are retained and promoted By Congressional edict, a certain portion of the work force must be hired and retained based on some physical attribute other than job skill. We are then taxed to servitude to pay for all of this social engineering under the guise of it's for the public good. And we wonder why the world is out of balance? In my considered opine, it equates to castrating your self because your neighbor has to many children. Not logical to natures rule of survival. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] blasphemous transmission rebuild
Ohh come now, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For instance this lady could do with putting on a few pounds http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7Bev/dove-dark-chocolate-audrey-hepburn Anyway you know it's a crime around here to offend the parts God. You have blasphemed and must be sacrificed to appease our Gods and make our cars run well. Well while we are poking fun, why doesn't Gary go to the beach? Because people keep trying to push him into the water. Hendrik who wants that car and that woman, not bothered about the chocolate On 03/03/14 13:52, Dieselhead wrote: And they don't get the sexy, either. Dan Nothing sexy about blubber ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuilding bad vibrations BS
OK I'll bite, you're saying that if you put the rear axle up, the rear wheel will spin at twice the speed? How does that work? The magic 2 speed diff option? The input speed into the diff is the same at 80 but the output doubles? That's great, I am going to take one of the tires of the back and get better mileage, just explain how this works, dumb old me always thought these things are to do with gear ratios but hey if I can twice the speed out of it, due to the magic diff, I’ll give it a crack. What about if I spin the tire in dirt and only side is spinning, am I going twice as fast or have I broken the speed of light and time is slowing down? This is all very confusing but I need to know the science behind it, otherwise I'll have to believe in magic, as that is the only explanation I can think of as to why a tire would spin at twice the normal speed. Hendrik who is confused On 03/03/14 13:57, Dieselhead wrote: Max Dillon wrote: 80 would be very unsafe; if only one wheel was turning, it would be going 160 mph when your speedometer read 80, which might cause that tire to come apart... ...or the differential. Mitch. No, the tire speed rating has to do with heat. THe tire does not heat up spinning in air. The right rear tire won't come apart, but you don't want the speedo going 80 on stands for long. Just long enough to see the driveshaft oscillating, or not. That does not cause the tire to come apart, or the diff to fail as long as it has the proper level of the right grease in it. I've done it to diagnose driveshaft problems. It only takes a second at the harmonious speed. Then you see the driveshaft oscillating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cut the arguing [was Re: transmission rebuild}
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 21:21:06 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: jono tells me people walk into his shop every day with absolute garbage useless parts from AZ. i'd think it worth a small premium to be kept out of garbage (as well as a dozen other things) but most people do not, even people here who should know better Sorry, but a bilstein part number is the same product from AZ or from anyone else. Even from you. Your scare tactics don't work. Same with a Bosch part number, or anything else. Yes, AZ sells uro, and so do you. Cut the self-righteous BS. The parts are all the same. You know that too. I think this has gone on long enough and has escalated enough. Loren: Stop antagonizing Gary. Gary: Let Loren's provocations drop, please. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuilding bad vibrations BS
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 14:36:50 +1030 Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: This is all very confusing but I need to know the science behind it, otherwise I'll have to believe in magic, as that is the only explanation I can think of as to why a tire would spin at twice the normal speed. With an ordinary, non-limited slip, non-Torsen differential, if both rear wheels are turning at the same rate, as in driving down a straight, dry road, they will go the speed indicated by the speedometer. If one wheel is held still and the other is allowed to rotate freely, like with the car on jack stands or with one wheel on ice and one wheel on dry pavement, the wheel that is rotating will rotate with twice the speed indicated by the speedometer. That's how an ordinary differential works. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cut the arguing [was Re: transmission rebuild}
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 21:21:06 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: jono tells me people walk into his shop every day with absolute garbage useless parts from AZ. i'd think it worth a small premium to be kept out of garbage (as well as a dozen other things) but most people do not, even people here who should know better Sorry, but a bilstein part number is the same product from AZ or from anyone else. Even from you. Your scare tactics don't work. Same with a Bosch part number, or anything else. Yes, AZ sells uro, and so do you. Cut the self-righteous BS. The parts are all the same. You know that too. This is not provocation, it is simply the truth. There are good reasons why Fats has been banned many times. THis list has suffered enough of his abuse. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] transmission rebuilding bad vibrations BS
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 14:36:50 +1030 Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: This is all very confusing but I need to know the science behind it, otherwise I'll have to believe in magic, as that is the only explanation I can think of as to why a tire would spin at twice the normal speed. With an ordinary, non-limited slip, non-Torsen differential, if both rear wheels are turning at the same rate, as in driving down a straight, dry road, they will go the speed indicated by the speedometer. If one wheel is held still and the other is allowed to rotate freely, like with the car on jack stands or with one wheel on ice and one wheel on dry pavement, the wheel that is rotating will rotate with twice the speed indicated by the speedometer. That's how an ordinary differential works. Craig Right, and the physics of how a differential is normally built, and the usual engine rotation direction cause the right rear (driven) wheel to turn/slip more if all things are equal. On the front drive VWs I've had, the RF wheel gets the torque. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
I agree. The self-leveling rear shock is just a hydraulic cylinder and the damping comes from the restriction in the plumbing to the sphere. Nothing to wear out, really, except the spheres (rides hard as a rock) or the piston seals (leaks). On the other hand, conventional shocks have valves in the piston that adjust the fluid-flow restriction (typically different up and down) and those valves can get goofy. -Original Message- From: Max Dillon Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 9:32 PM Those never wear out. The only failure mode is leaking fluid externally. the brilliant thought was the Mercury Sable with a worn out shock that would permit suspension resonance at certain speeds. I only have one shock in the rear of the wagon that is original. it is one of those expensive self leveling suckers though. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speedometer.
Max, Curt and Jim. Thank you! I might have known it was so simple as a pip on the edge. (If I were smarter.) K I S S. German order (Deutsch ordnen?) Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedometer. Question:- Is there a Rest Position for the needle to be set to, I think there's a painted pip on the dial, not visible when it's in the cluster, that's where you point it at rest, then lift it over the peg. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
Is it possible though that the piston and inside of the cylinder can wear over 100k or 200k or 300k miles to where there is some side play that could allow the vibration to reach a harmonic? I am not in the business to sell struts, but it seems like it is possible the old strut might allow a vibration to occur where the newer strut does not. We don't know the mileage in this case. Some things wear in strange ways. I would expect it to be at the speed of tire rotation though. I agree. The self-leveling rear shock is just a hydraulic cylinder and the damping comes from the restriction in the plumbing to the sphere. Nothing to wear out, really, except the spheres (rides hard as a rock) or the piston seals (leaks). On the other hand, conventional shocks have valves in the piston that adjust the fluid-flow restriction (typically different up and down) and those valves can get goofy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cut the arguing [was Re: transmission rebuild}
From:CraigSent:Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:34 PMTo:Mercedes Discussion ListReply To:Mercedes Discussion ListSubject:[MBZ] Cut the arguing [was Re: transmission rebuild}I think this has gone on long enough and has escalated enough.Loren: Stop antagonizing Gary.Gary: Let Loren's provocations drop, please.+1 Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration
So if the piston seals are not leaking and the sphere is bad, it should ride hard, but I would think it would be over damped, not underdamped. mileage is 182,000 maybe a half shaft out of the differential is wobbly like max said. or bent or something. it sets up resonance with the rest of the unsprung wheel assembly mass at a certain speed. I will have them run it up to speed on the hoist next time I change the oil. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Date:03/02/2014 9:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] was transmission rebuild / now vibration Is it possible though that the piston and inside of the cylinder can wear over 100k or 200k or 300k miles to where there is some side play that could allow the vibration to reach a harmonic? I am not in the business to sell struts, but it seems like it is possible the old strut might allow a vibration to occur where the newer strut does not. We don't know the mileage in this case. Some things wear in strange ways. I would expect it to be at the speed of tire rotation though. I agree. The self-leveling rear shock is just a hydraulic cylinder and the damping comes from the restriction in the plumbing to the sphere. Nothing to wear out, really, except the spheres (rides hard as a rock) or the piston seals (leaks). On the other hand, conventional shocks have valves in the piston that adjust the fluid-flow restriction (typically different up and down) and those valves can get goofy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
I have a friend who flies for Qantas. Apparently Qantas has been hiring pilots from NZ for less money, putting them in a Qantas uniform, and having them fly regional Qantas planes. This has become a point of contention in pilot contract negotiations. the Qantas pilots contend that the sterling safety record of the airline is due in no small part to the training Qantas puts their pilots through, and that it is disingenuous to allow non Qantas-trained pilots to wear a Qantas pilot uniform flying a Qantas plane. the idea is Qantas plane, Qantas pilot. there are probably other things like contracted work hour restrictions that these non Qantas pilots can avoid, making them cheaper, but potentially less safe. Anyway I was reminded of all this watching the delta video. not sure how it is turning out down under with Qantas, but obviously this Norwegian guy is just taking the whole concept of pilot labor outsourcing to its logical extreme. Personally I'll pay a bit more to keep the well trained, well fed, well rested guys in the cockpit. there are just too many things that can go wrong, like hitting the wall in San Francisco, or the rookie and high altitude stall on air France 443. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Date:03/02/2014 7:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme I have not fully looked into it but Qantas is bleating about their competitors getting assistance from their governments, how much truth there is to that I do not know. Hendrik who gets a little assistance from the government On 03/03/14 03:05, G Mann wrote: In nature, predators always take the weak from the herd first. In open competition, only the strong win. In government imposed diversity that natural balance is skewed. By government mandate, the banks that failed were saved, Solandra got loans, government employees who don't produce are retained and promoted By Congressional edict, a certain portion of the work force must be hired and retained based on some physical attribute other than job skill. We are then taxed to servitude to pay for all of this social engineering under the guise of it's for the public good. And we wonder why the world is out of balance? In my considered opine, it equates to castrating your self because your neighbor has to many children. Not logical to natures rule of survival. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
