Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Gary Hurst]

and all the israelis knew not to show up to work


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I believe they hit the towers but I do not believe that was what brought
> them down
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 13, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > I can make a video of a Tie Fighter shooting the towers. Why do you
> believe anything you see on video? Have you not seen "Wag the Dog"?
> >
> > That said I believe the planes hit the towers because of my friends that
> SAW the planes hit the towers. I have to many friends who were in NYC and
> saw the planes hit to believe anything else happened. The conspiracy
> theorists seem to believe that the thousands of eye witness accounts are
> all some kind of "mass hysteria".
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:34:37 -0400
> > From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?
> > Message-ID:
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
> > showing planes flying into buildings?
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Re: [MBZ] Gov't Obfuscation, was OT Malaysian 777?

[Gary Hurst]

for the record, i am making no claims that there were no planes and we did
not go to the moon.  it is my personal belief that there were planes and we
did go to the moon

it is also my belief that 9/11 was a false flag operation.

do we need to start talking about gas chambers at auschwitz now or can this
suffice for how conspiracy theory whack job i am or am not?


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

>
> Well, I was working in the mission control center in Houston throughout the
> Apollo 12-17 missions and worked with most of those crews, so I'm pretty
> sure that was real.  My cousin walked out of one of the twin towers on
> 9-11,
> so I'm pretty sure that was real.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mountain Man
> > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:09 PM
> >
> >
> > Vote to pass the law so that you can read it.
> > Tell the story so that it becomes real.
> > Men landed on the moon.
> > mao
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Re: [MBZ] Gov't Obfuscation, was OT Malaysian 777?

[Scott Ritchey]

Well, I was working in the mission control center in Houston throughout the
Apollo 12-17 missions and worked with most of those crews, so I'm pretty
sure that was real.  My cousin walked out of one of the twin towers on 9-11,
so I'm pretty sure that was real.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mountain Man
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:09 PM
> 
> 
> Vote to pass the law so that you can read it.
> Tell the story so that it becomes real.
> Men landed on the moon.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Gov't Obfuscation, was OT Malaysian 777?

[Mountain Man]

Mitch wrote:
> Can you imagine the same government that brought you the health care
> exchange pulling off a hoax of that size?

Vote to pass the law so that you can read it.
Tell the story so that it becomes real.
Men landed on the moon.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Seat belt

[Mitch Haley]

Max Dillon wrote:

That sounds like a great fix.  Need to do that on my wagon's front seat belts.



Ball point needle so it doesn't damage threads?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] spring?

[Mitch Haley]

Randy Bennell wrote:

Things are improving.
The forecast is for a bit of a cold weekend here but then next week 
things are to improve and the forecast is good for the next 10 days or 
so after.

The lows are supposed to be -9 C and the highs around 0 C.
It is amazing how much better it is at 0 than at -20 C.


I saw -11(F) and dropping this morning as I left for work.
Let's see, -11-32 = -43 x5 = -215 / 9 = -24C. On the 13th of March!
Not a fluke, the city to the south of me had an official low of -12F.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Gov't Obfuscation, was OT Malaysian 777?

[Mitch Haley]

Greg Fiorentino wrote:

9/11 was of a scope and proximity that it could not have been
faked/assisted.  


Can you imagine the same government that brought you the health care exchange 
pulling off a hoax of that size?


Mitch.

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[MBZ] If this had green interior I would be all over it

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Heck, I'm still tempted for some reason.

http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4371070228.html

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Re: [MBZ] Seat belt

[Jim Cathey]

How about a grommet?


Nothing that would cut into the fibers!

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Re: [MBZ] Seat belt

[Dwight Giles]

Well necessity is the mother of invention.
On Mar 13, 2014 9:25 PM, "Frederick Moir"  wrote:

> Dwight.
> Wallace wouldn't like it
>
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> >
> > From: Dwight Giles 
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:15 PM
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat belt
> >
> >
> >How about a grommet?
> >
> >On Mar 13, 2014 8:47 PM, "Frederick Moir"  wrote:
> >
> >> Randy, et al.
> >> "Are you talking about the button that is on the belt itself."
> >> Yup. That one.
> >> I, too, thought of a shirt button type of thing, plus I have my Boy
> Scout
> >> skills and a military (RAF) "Housewife" sewing kit.
> >> The proper MBZ part would be better of course, just not as olde yankee!
> >> Thanks for the reply.
> >>
> >> Fred Moir
> >> Lynn MA
> >> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Seat belt

[Frederick Moir]

Dwight.
Wallace wouldn't like it
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Dwight Giles 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat belt
> 
>
>How about a grommet?
>
>On Mar 13, 2014 8:47 PM, "Frederick Moir"  wrote:
>
>> Randy, et al.
>> "Are you talking about the button that is on the belt itself."
>> Yup. That one.
>> I, too, thought of a shirt button type of thing, plus I have my Boy Scout
>> skills and a military (RAF) "Housewife" sewing kit.
>> The proper MBZ part would be better of course, just not as olde yankee!
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> Fred Moir
>> Lynn MA
>> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Seat belt

[Dwight Giles]

How about a grommet?
On Mar 13, 2014 8:47 PM, "Frederick Moir"  wrote:

> Randy, et al.
> "Are you talking about the button that is on the belt itself."
> Yup. That one.
> I, too, thought of a shirt button type of thing, plus I have my Boy Scout
> skills and a military (RAF) "Housewife" sewing kit.
> The proper MBZ part would be better of course, just not as olde yankee!
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> >
> > From: Randy Bennell 
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:07 PM
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat belt
> >
> >
> >On 13/03/2014 4:58 PM, Frederick Moir wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone know of a source for the plastic seat belt button that
> keeps the buckle within reach?
> >>
> >> Fred Moir
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again and again and again!

[Hendrik and Fay]

Huuh, I count three interior shots (if you include Wiltons favourite 
thing about Mercs), the one of the drivers seat shows the seat to be 
intact but a little worn (as you would expect with the mileage) and the 
rear looks like it was never sat on. The SEC's are starting to go up in 
price, especially for the top of the line ones.
They are also starting to get into the nostalgia factor, that factor 
being that my Mum/Dad/favourite uncle/et al had one of these when I was 
young and now I want one to remember them with.
A lot of people tend to get into Mercs because someone significant in 
their youth had one or more.
At the very least it would be worthwhile to get in touch with the seller 
to get more info on history and perhaps get another 20 shots of the 
interior in HD.
However it looks like an original car that has been used but not 
abused/pimped.
Over here any half decent 560SEC's tend to go from 8k up to 20k 
depending on condition.


Hendrik
who was tempted to buy a manny tranny 240D yesterday (just to keep up 
with the mountain lizard man) 
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/oaklands-park/cars-vans-utes/1981-mercedes-benz-240-sedan/1041263068


On 14/03/14 01:59, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Would you be disappointed if you took thje trouble to go there only to find
out that the interior is trashed?

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Max Dillon wrote:


I do like that car...

On March 12, 2014 11:01:37 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Suspisiously, only one photo of the interior...

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Re: [MBZ] Seat belt

[Frederick Moir]

Randy, et al.
"Are you talking about the button that is on the belt itself."
Yup. That one.
I, too, thought of a shirt button type of thing, plus I have my Boy Scout 
skills and a military (RAF) "Housewife" sewing kit.
The proper MBZ part would be better of course, just not as olde yankee!
Thanks for the reply.
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Randy Bennell 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat belt
> 
>
>On 13/03/2014 4:58 PM, Frederick Moir wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a source for the plastic seat belt button that keeps the 
>> buckle within reach?
>>  
>> Fred Moir
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[clay]

Computer recycler shops around town are loaded with older tech.  Companies 
surplus this stuff by the pallet when they upgrade.

clay

On Mar 13, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Tim Crone wrote:

>> On Mar 13, 2014 12:43 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
>>> Any recommendations?
>> 
> 
> Drop laser requirement, visit thrift stores.  I've bought two nice
> networked Officejets from thrift stores recently, the newer one because it
> supports management and printing from my phone.  Ink is pricey but I print
> so rarely it doesn't make a big difference.  Unlike my old Canon the
> Officejets don't seem to dry out from disuse.  That said these are the
> office Officejets - $300ish+ retail new.
> 
> Cheapest AIO non-inkjets are the Xerox Phasers, we have some at work.  I
> would buy a real scanner plus a printer before I bought one of my own.
> 
> I have a LJ 8550DN in storage.  Wonderful printer but noisy as all get
> out.  And a power pig of course.  If I ever need to print 1 pages I'll
> wheel it out, would you believe, four man lift (in my case, one man with a
> dolly and a ramp, but a big machine nonetheless).
> 
> We usually go to DC for the 4th of July, I'll trade you the 8550, an
> excellent Scanjet with ADF, the Officejet 7210, and a shelf of spare ink
> etc. for your broken 83 TD.  Or, you know, money or grape jelly or
> something... :)
> 
> Best,
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Re: [MBZ] spring?

[Curt Raymond]

The snowmobiling is better...

Southerners are weak. ;)

-Curt

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:30:51 -0400
From: r...@winmutt.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] spring?
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

I washed and waxed my 87 300D out in the sun on Tuesday. Shorts, t shirt 
and flip flops. I dont know how (or why) you northerners put up with 
that crap.

-Rolf
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Re: [MBZ] Gov't Obfuscation, was OT Malaysian 777?

[Greg Fiorentino]

9/11 was of a scope and proximity that it could not have been
faked/assisted.  Also, there were enough people personally affected who
would have resources and connections that would find flaws in the official
version if they existed.

I have seen a lot of obfuscation both from the public's point of view and
also from the inside (32 years observing the inner workings of a government
agency).  Most of it is directed at those who are either easily gulled, or
willing to go along...like for example the administration's BS about what
caused the debacle in Benghazi.  Or how this administration has saved the
economy and cut the deficit to the bone.  Most anyone with brains can see
through that kind of stuff.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain
Man
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

Andrew wrote:
> How did 3000 +
> people die on 9/11...

The buildings fell down, not everyone got out before they fell - I bet that
could kill 3000+ people, no?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yes Jesse Ventura is great too

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> On Mar 13, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
> 
> Dan wrote:
>>  Try listening to the current "This American Life" episode if you want to 
>> hear about obsfucation when it comes to government agencies.
> 
> Yep, as always TAL does a good show.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I believe they hit the towers but I do not believe that was what brought them 
down

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> On Mar 13, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I can make a video of a Tie Fighter shooting the towers. Why do you believe 
> anything you see on video? Have you not seen "Wag the Dog"?
> 
> That said I believe the planes hit the towers because of my friends that SAW 
> the planes hit the towers. I have to many friends who were in NYC and saw the 
> planes hit to believe anything else happened. The conspiracy theorists seem 
> to believe that the thousands of eye witness accounts are all some kind of 
> "mass hysteria".
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:34:37 -0400
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
> showing planes flying into buildings?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Mountain Man]

Andrew wrote:
> How did 3000 +
> people die on 9/11...

The buildings fell down, not everyone got out before they fell - I bet
that could kill 3000+ people, no?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Mountain Man]

Andrew wrote:
> Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
> showing planes flying into buildings?

You have never seen a movie?
Are you brand new to this culture?
Movies are all make believe.  They stage them and take the moving
pictures and then edit the moving pictures and then show them to
people.  Don't believe the science of airplanes that can fly faster
than needed at lower elevations than the Jet engine can support - that
is more religion than science.  Don't believe earth was created - just
believe some other stuff about billions of years - believe the
religion rather than science.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Mountain Man]

Kaleb wrote:
> Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to say.
>

Also listen to Art Bell.
Also listen to Jeff Rense.
Also listen to Jesse Ventura.
Also listen to Gerald Celente.
...but no...
We will keep our head in the sand.
Nothing to do.
Nothing will happen.
No more Paul Revere.
No more Thomas Paine.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Mountain Man]

Dan wrote:
>   Try listening to the current "This American Life" episode if you want to 
> hear about obsfucation when it comes to government agencies.
>

Yep, as always TAL does a good show.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Curt Raymond]

I can make a video of a Tie Fighter shooting the towers. Why do you believe 
anything you see on video? Have you not seen "Wag the Dog"?

That said I believe the planes hit the towers because of my friends that SAW 
the planes hit the towers. I have to many friends who were in NYC and saw the 
planes hit to believe anything else happened. The conspiracy theorists seem to 
believe that the thousands of eye witness accounts are all some kind of "mass 
hysteria".

-Curt

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:34:37 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
showing planes flying into buildings?
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Re: [MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[Tim Crone]

> On Mar 13, 2014 12:43 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
wrote:
> > Any recommendations?
>

Drop laser requirement, visit thrift stores.  I've bought two nice
networked Officejets from thrift stores recently, the newer one because it
supports management and printing from my phone.  Ink is pricey but I print
so rarely it doesn't make a big difference.  Unlike my old Canon the
Officejets don't seem to dry out from disuse.  That said these are the
office Officejets - $300ish+ retail new.

Cheapest AIO non-inkjets are the Xerox Phasers, we have some at work.  I
would buy a real scanner plus a printer before I bought one of my own.

I have a LJ 8550DN in storage.  Wonderful printer but noisy as all get
out.  And a power pig of course.  If I ever need to print 1 pages I'll
wheel it out, would you believe, four man lift (in my case, one man with a
dolly and a ramp, but a big machine nonetheless).

We usually go to DC for the 4th of July, I'll trade you the 8550, an
excellent Scanjet with ADF, the Officejet 7210, and a shelf of spare ink
etc. for your broken 83 TD.  Or, you know, money or grape jelly or
something... :)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Seat belt

[Max Dillon]

That sounds like a great fix.  Need to do that on my wagon's front seat belts.

On March 13, 2014 6:07:30 PM EDT, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>
>
>Are you talking about the button that is on the belt itself and
>prevents 
>the belt from retracting further or at least prevents the seat belt
>link 
>from sliding down into areas difficult to reach?
>
>If so, I had that issue on my 02 F150. It broke and was missing.
>I used a real "button" and sewed it on with a needle and thread in the 
>spot where the plastic one had once been.
>Worked fine. Still on there as my son now has the truck.
>
>Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Seat belt

[Randy Bennell]

On 13/03/2014 4:58 PM, Frederick Moir wrote:

Does anyone know of a source for the plastic seat belt button that keeps the 
buckle within reach?
  
Fred Moir

Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




Are you talking about the button that is on the belt itself and prevents 
the belt from retracting further or at least prevents the seat belt link 
from sliding down into areas difficult to reach?


If so, I had that issue on my 02 F150. It broke and was missing.
I used a real "button" and sewed it on with a needle and thread in the 
spot where the plastic one had once been.

Worked fine. Still on there as my son now has the truck.

Randy

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[MBZ] Seat belt

[Frederick Moir]

Does anyone know of a source for the plastic seat belt button that keeps the 
buckle within reach?
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] spring?

[Dan Penoff]

The youngster was washing the S500 when I drove up this afternoon with my 
roadster top down. Just came in from watering my new trees. Windows are wide 
open, enjoy in the nice breeze with temps around 70F and low humidity.

And I thought having to bury stuff below 36" was a lot (in Wisconsin).

Dan

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> On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:30 PM, r...@winmutt.com wrote:
> 
> I washed and waxed my 87 300D out in the sun on Tuesday. Shorts, t shirt and 
> flip flops. I dont know how (or why) you northerners put up with that crap.
> 
> -Rolf
> 
>> On 2014-03-13 16:03, Randy Bennell wrote:
>> Things are improving.
>> The forecast is for a bit of a cold weekend here but then next week
>> things are to improve and the forecast is good for the next 10 days or
>> so after.
>> The lows are supposed to be -9 C and the highs around 0 C.
>> It is amazing how much better it is at 0 than at -20 C.
>> Snow is starting to melt on the warmer days and the potholes are
>> showing up. It is +4 C here right now according to the weather
>> network.
>> Unfortunately, Winnipeg is struggling with frozen water pipes. There
>> are now more than a thousand homes without water due to frozen pipes.
>> This is the worst it has been since the winter of 1978-79 according to
>> the paper this morning.
>> Mostly older areas of the city where the pipes are not buried as
>> deeply as in the newer areas.
>> The newer rules specify 7 1/2 feet deep. I am fortunate to be in a
>> newer area - and my house is about 33 years old.
>> The cold has driven the frost very deep this winter and the powers
>> that be are saying the risk may run into June as it will take a while
>> for the ground to thaw if it does not warm up more than normal (and it
>> is forecast to be a cooler than normal spring if I recall correctly).
>> The folks really at risk are in the older areas and on the wrong side
>> of the street. The water mains run down the one side of the street and
>> if the hookup to your house has to cross under the roadway, then you
>> are at greater risk because the roads are ploughed and thus do not
>> have the insulating snow over the pipes.
>> If this keeps up, I might have my 300D on the road in another month.
>> (MB content)
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] spring?

[rolf]

I washed and waxed my 87 300D out in the sun on Tuesday. Shorts, t shirt 
and flip flops. I dont know how (or why) you northerners put up with 
that crap.


-Rolf

On 2014-03-13 16:03, Randy Bennell wrote:

Things are improving.
The forecast is for a bit of a cold weekend here but then next week
things are to improve and the forecast is good for the next 10 days or
so after.
The lows are supposed to be -9 C and the highs around 0 C.
It is amazing how much better it is at 0 than at -20 C.

Snow is starting to melt on the warmer days and the potholes are
showing up. It is +4 C here right now according to the weather
network.

Unfortunately, Winnipeg is struggling with frozen water pipes. There
are now more than a thousand homes without water due to frozen pipes.
This is the worst it has been since the winter of 1978-79 according to
the paper this morning.
Mostly older areas of the city where the pipes are not buried as
deeply as in the newer areas.
The newer rules specify 7 1/2 feet deep. I am fortunate to be in a
newer area - and my house is about 33 years old.
The cold has driven the frost very deep this winter and the powers
that be are saying the risk may run into June as it will take a while
for the ground to thaw if it does not warm up more than normal (and it
is forecast to be a cooler than normal spring if I recall correctly).
The folks really at risk are in the older areas and on the wrong side
of the street. The water mains run down the one side of the street and
if the hookup to your house has to cross under the roadway, then you
are at greater risk because the roads are ploughed and thus do not
have the insulating snow over the pipes.

If this keeps up, I might have my 300D on the road in another month.
(MB content)

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yes it could almost be anywhere

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Rich Thomas 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah those other two planes at the Pentagon and in PA left some great 
> persistent images.  My buddy used to fly AA11 to collyfawnya quite often, and 
> knew the FAs who died on that airplane.  Great CGI.
> 
> The Twin Towers were the first time steel had ever melted, so you know it was 
> the 
> BushcheneyhalliburtonknightstemplarOWGbilderbergilluminatimasonstrilateralcommissionjohnbirchers
>  connection fer sure.  Oh, and what is that other group that used to 
> advertise in the backs of comic books, the Rosicrucians?  I bet they had a 
> hand in it too.
> 
> More on off-topic, what to make of the news that the engines kept reporting 
> data for 4 hours after the plane was lost on radar?  That would take it a 
> long ways.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 3/13/14 2:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> Have you watched any movies lately? They can so some amazing things with cgi.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
>>> showing planes flying into buildings?
> 
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[MBZ] spring?

[Randy Bennell]

Things are improving.
The forecast is for a bit of a cold weekend here but then next week 
things are to improve and the forecast is good for the next 10 days or 
so after.

The lows are supposed to be -9 C and the highs around 0 C.
It is amazing how much better it is at 0 than at -20 C.

Snow is starting to melt on the warmer days and the potholes are showing 
up. It is +4 C here right now according to the weather network.


Unfortunately, Winnipeg is struggling with frozen water pipes. There are 
now more than a thousand homes without water due to frozen pipes.
This is the worst it has been since the winter of 1978-79 according to 
the paper this morning.
Mostly older areas of the city where the pipes are not buried as deeply 
as in the newer areas.
The newer rules specify 7 1/2 feet deep. I am fortunate to be in a newer 
area - and my house is about 33 years old.
The cold has driven the frost very deep this winter and the powers that 
be are saying the risk may run into June as it will take a while for the 
ground to thaw if it does not warm up more than normal (and it is 
forecast to be a cooler than normal spring if I recall correctly). The 
folks really at risk are in the older areas and on the wrong side of the 
street. The water mains run down the one side of the street and if the 
hookup to your house has to cross under the roadway, then you are at 
greater risk because the roads are ploughed and thus do not have the 
insulating snow over the pipes.


If this keeps up, I might have my 300D on the road in another month. (MB 
content)


Randy



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Re: [MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[Randy Bennell]

I do dismantle things rather than keep the whole thing in most cases. I 
just have a hard time getting to the point where I actually use the 
scavenged parts to make something interesting. I don't know how many 
little electric motors and fans etc that I have. Also, old blender motor 
with multi speed switch etc. No real idea what to make out of it but it 
just seemed to great to toss in the garbage.




On 13/03/2014 12:09 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
You need to take out the good stuff from all that then send the rest 
of it to the recycle.


I used to go to the recycle center in Houston, was not far from my 
house.  I would take some Gatorades and hand them out to the 
attendants (who were all on work release or community service or 
something) to let me scavenge stuff from the electronics pile -- 
that's where I got a bunch of Ljet motors.  I got a nice Sony vidcam 
too that worked for awhile (some issue in the tape transport) but it 
has a firewire port so it works as a cool webcam, does night shots and 
stuff.


. . . .
--R



On 3/13/14 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
I hear you on the saving parts of it, but my basement is full of 
stuff like this and my wife thinks I am crazy so I don't know if 
there is room for one more.


On the plus side, I just tried it again and today it works.

So, who knows why it did not work yesterday. Maybe something needed 
to charge up?


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[Randy Bennell]

On 13/03/2014 12:09 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
You need to take out the good stuff from all that then send the rest 
of it to the recycle.


I used to go to the recycle center in Houston, was not far from my 
house.  I would take some Gatorades and hand them out to the 
attendants (who were all on work release or community service or 
something) to let me scavenge stuff from the electronics pile -- 
that's where I got a bunch of Ljet motors.  I got a nice Sony vidcam 
too that worked for awhile (some issue in the tape transport) but it 
has a firewire port so it works as a cool webcam, does night shots and 
stuff.


After taking stuff apart I would take all the junk back and toss it on 
the pile, the attendants would look the other way.  They were quite 
intrigued with what I was doing with all the stuff.  I told them about 
my CNC machine, and for as stupid as they acted (at least in their 
behavior that landed them in that position, they were not really 
unintelligent) they were really very interested in it all.  I had this 
idea that someone needed to start some kind of training program to 
engage these idiots in something that would capture their attention 
and maybe lead to some useful purpose in life.  I should have gone for 
some gummint grant and done that, have them take apart the recycle 
stuff and make something useful from it, get them interested in 
electronics tech/repair or something.


--R


Hm - These would then become the guys who make little electronic 
doodads to scan your credit card information so they can steal your id 
and spend your money and sell your home while you are on vacation.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

So let me get this straight.  George Bush entertained Osama Boin Laden at
his Crawford, TX ranch on the very day that the FBI or CIA or NSA imploded
the Pentagon and Twin Towers,?   I suppose the two of them (plus Laura and
a couple of Bin Laden's many wives) watched the drama unfold on the TV in
W's rec room, sipping coke or iced tea while laughing at the obviously fake
images of bodies falling from the sky.  How stupid of me not to have
realized this.

I haven't quite figured out the Israeli connection, but if Bin Laden were a
Mossad agent then it all makes perfect sense.


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> i'd suspect most people believe the official version, so you certainly
> aren't alone
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  >wrote:
>
> > Everyone minue one - me.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Everyone knows the buildings were imploded. There were workings setting
> > up
> > > the charges for months before. Meanwhile Osama was safe and sound in
> > > Crawford.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I guess if one conveniently ignores that key piece of evidence then
> the
> > > > door is open to all kind of juicy conspiracy theories.  How did 3000
> +
> > > > people die on 9/11, or is that also a government-concocted lie?
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> i've already answered that i don't make anything of them.  i'm sorry
> > > that
> > > >> the answer is not what you want to hear.  maybe someone else will
> > > provide
> > > >> you with a better answer?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> > > astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the
> > videos
> > > >>> showing planes flying into buildings?
> > > >>>
> > >  On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hurst <
> jabbahur...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> > > ka...@striplin.net
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has
> to
> > > >>> say.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst  >
> > >  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong
> > > >>> feeling
> > > > that
> > > >> my government has been lying to me about it and everything else
> > > >> they
> > >  have
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Rich Thomas]

Yeah those other two planes at the Pentagon and in PA left some great 
persistent images.  My buddy used to fly AA11 to collyfawnya quite 
often, and knew the FAs who died on that airplane.  Great CGI.


The Twin Towers were the first time steel had ever melted, so you know 
it was the 
BushcheneyhalliburtonknightstemplarOWGbilderbergilluminatimasonstrilateralcommissionjohnbirchers 
connection fer sure.  Oh, and what is that other group that used to 
advertise in the backs of comic books, the Rosicrucians?  I bet they had 
a hand in it too.


More on off-topic, what to make of the news that the engines kept 
reporting data for 4 hours after the plane was lost on radar?  That 
would take it a long ways.


--R


On 3/13/14 2:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Have you watched any movies lately? They can so some amazing things with cgi.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
showing planes flying into buildings?





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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Gary Hurst]

i'd suspect most people believe the official version, so you certainly
aren't alone


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Everyone minue one - me.
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
>
> > Everyone knows the buildings were imploded. There were workings setting
> up
> > the charges for months before. Meanwhile Osama was safe and sound in
> > Crawford.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess if one conveniently ignores that key piece of evidence then the
> > > door is open to all kind of juicy conspiracy theories.  How did 3000 +
> > > people die on 9/11, or is that also a government-concocted lie?
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> i've already answered that i don't make anything of them.  i'm sorry
> > that
> > >> the answer is not what you want to hear.  maybe someone else will
> > provide
> > >> you with a better answer?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> > astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the
> videos
> > >>> showing planes flying into buildings?
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
> > 
> > 
> >  On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> > ka...@striplin.net
> > > wrote:
> > 
> > > Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to
> > >>> say.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst 
> >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong
> > >>> feeling
> > > that
> > >> my government has been lying to me about it and everything else
> > >> they
> >  have
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Everyone minue one - me.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Everyone knows the buildings were imploded. There were workings setting up
> the charges for months before. Meanwhile Osama was safe and sound in
> Crawford.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > I guess if one conveniently ignores that key piece of evidence then the
> > door is open to all kind of juicy conspiracy theories.  How did 3000 +
> > people die on 9/11, or is that also a government-concocted lie?
> >
> >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> i've already answered that i don't make anything of them.  i'm sorry
> that
> >> the answer is not what you want to hear.  maybe someone else will
> provide
> >> you with a better answer?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
> >>> showing planes flying into buildings?
> >>>
>  On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hurst 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> ka...@striplin.net
> > wrote:
> 
> > Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to
> >>> say.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst 
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong
> >>> feeling
> > that
> >> my government has been lying to me about it and everything else
> >> they
>  have
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Everyone knows the buildings were imploded. There were workings setting up the 
charges for months before. Meanwhile Osama was safe and sound in Crawford.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I guess if one conveniently ignores that key piece of evidence then the
> door is open to all kind of juicy conspiracy theories.  How did 3000 +
> people die on 9/11, or is that also a government-concocted lie?
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>> 
>> i've already answered that i don't make anything of them.  i'm sorry that
>> the answer is not what you want to hear.  maybe someone else will provide
>> you with a better answer?
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel >> wrote:
>> 
>>> Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
>>> showing planes flying into buildings?
>>> 
 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hurst 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
 
> Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to
>>> say.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst 
 wrote:
>> 
>> i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong
>>> feeling
> that
>> my government has been lying to me about it and everything else
>> they
 have

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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Have you watched any movies lately? They can so some amazing things with cgi.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
> showing planes flying into buildings?
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>> 
>> i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin >> wrote:
>> 
>>> Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to say.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst 
>> wrote:
 
 i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong feeling
>>> that
 my government has been lying to me about it and everything else they
>> have
 ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not
>> physical
 evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official 9/11
 narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations so i no
 longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation perpetrated
>>> by
 my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and
>> erosion
>>> of
 personal liberty
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
 wrote:
 
> Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes actually
> hitting the buildings?
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Hahahaha
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
> i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
>> Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to say.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>>> 
>>> i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong feeling
>> that
>>> my government has been lying to me about it and everything else they have
>>> ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not physical
>>> evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official 9/11
>>> narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations so i no
>>> longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation perpetrated
>> by
>>> my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and erosion
>> of
>>> personal liberty
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes actually
 hitting the buildings?
 
 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst 
 wrote:
 
> you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
>> ka...@striplin.net
>> wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Gary Hurst]

yes, people who were in teh buildings died.  they did come down so people
inside them would have been killed.

i told you specifically where my suspicion lies.  the rest you will have to
take up with someone else.


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> I guess if one conveniently ignores that key piece of evidence then the
> door is open to all kind of juicy conspiracy theories.  How did 3000 +
> people die on 9/11, or is that also a government-concocted lie?
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i've already answered that i don't make anything of them.  i'm sorry that
> > the answer is not what you want to hear.  maybe someone else will provide
> > you with a better answer?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
> > > showing planes flying into buildings?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> ka...@striplin.net
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to
> > > say.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong
> > > feeling
> > > > > that
> > > > > > my government has been lying to me about it and everything else
> > they
> > > > have
> > > > > > ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not
> > > > physical
> > > > > > evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official
> > > 9/11
> > > > > > narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations
> so i
> > > no
> > > > > > longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation
> > > perpetrated
> > > > > by
> > > > > > my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and
> > > > erosion
> > > > > of
> > > > > > personal liberty
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes
> > > actually
> > > > > >> hitting the buildings?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst <
> > jabbahur...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> > > > > ka...@striplin.net
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >  Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not
> a
> > > > > >>> reasonable
> > > > >  upstanding person like Trent.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst <
> > jabbahur...@gmail.com>
> > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.
> > >  millions
> > > > > >>> are.
> > > > > > it's not just me and gordon
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist
> > like
> > > > this
> > > > >  jerk?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <
> > > > > >> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  That has to be a spoof.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
> > > > > >>
> > > http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone
> pretending
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > >>> John
> > > > > >>> Lear...
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Best,
> > > > > >>> Tim
> > > > > 
> > > > >  On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man <
> > > > > >>> maontin@gmail.com
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers#null
> > > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I guess if one conveniently ignores that key piece of evidence then the
door is open to all kind of juicy conspiracy theories.  How did 3000 +
people die on 9/11, or is that also a government-concocted lie?

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> i've already answered that i don't make anything of them.  i'm sorry that
> the answer is not what you want to hear.  maybe someone else will provide
> you with a better answer?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  >wrote:
>
> > Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
> > showing planes flying into buildings?
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> >
> > > i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to
> > say.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong
> > feeling
> > > > that
> > > > > my government has been lying to me about it and everything else
> they
> > > have
> > > > > ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not
> > > physical
> > > > > evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official
> > 9/11
> > > > > narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations so i
> > no
> > > > > longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation
> > perpetrated
> > > > by
> > > > > my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and
> > > erosion
> > > > of
> > > > > personal liberty
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes
> > actually
> > > > >> hitting the buildings?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst <
> jabbahur...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> > > > ka...@striplin.net
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > >  Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a
> > > > >>> reasonable
> > > >  upstanding person like Trent.
> > > > 
> > > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > > 
> > > > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst <
> jabbahur...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.
> >  millions
> > > > >>> are.
> > > > > it's not just me and gordon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist
> like
> > > this
> > > >  jerk?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <
> > > > >> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > > > 
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >  That has to be a spoof.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
> > > > >>
> > http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending
> to
> > > be
> > > > >>> John
> > > > >>> Lear...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Best,
> > > > >>> Tim
> > > > 
> > > >  On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man <
> > > > >>> maontin@gmail.com
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers#null
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Gary Hurst]

i've already answered that i don't make anything of them.  i'm sorry that
the answer is not what you want to hear.  maybe someone else will provide
you with a better answer?


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
> showing planes flying into buildings?
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to
> say.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong
> feeling
> > > that
> > > > my government has been lying to me about it and everything else they
> > have
> > > > ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not
> > physical
> > > > evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official
> 9/11
> > > > narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations so i
> no
> > > > longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation
> perpetrated
> > > by
> > > > my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and
> > erosion
> > > of
> > > > personal liberty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes
> actually
> > > >> hitting the buildings?
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst  >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> > > ka...@striplin.net
> > >  wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a
> > > >>> reasonable
> > >  upstanding person like Trent.
> > > 
> > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst 
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.
>  millions
> > > >>> are.
> > > > it's not just me and gordon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like
> > this
> > >  jerk?
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone 
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <
> > > >> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > > 
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > 
> > >  That has to be a spoof.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
> > > >>
> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to
> > be
> > > >>> John
> > > >>> Lear...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Best,
> > > >>> Tim
> > > 
> > >  On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man <
> > > >>> maontin@gmail.com
> > >  wrote:
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Why doesn't anyone answer my question?  What do you make of the videos
showing planes flying into buildings?

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> i bet he's a big star in oklahoma
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
>
> > Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to say.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong feeling
> > that
> > > my government has been lying to me about it and everything else they
> have
> > > ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not
> physical
> > > evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official 9/11
> > > narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations so i no
> > > longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation perpetrated
> > by
> > > my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and
> erosion
> > of
> > > personal liberty
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes actually
> > >> hitting the buildings?
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> > ka...@striplin.net
> >  wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a
> > >>> reasonable
> >  upstanding person like Trent.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst 
> > >>> wrote:
> > >
> > > i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.  millions
> > >>> are.
> > > it's not just me and gordon
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like
> this
> >  jerk?
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <
> > >> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > 
> > >>> wrote:
> > 
> >  That has to be a spoof.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
> > >> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
> > >>>
> > >>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to
> be
> > >>> John
> > >>> Lear...
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>> Tim
> > 
> >  On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man <
> > >>> maontin@gmail.com
> >  wrote:
> > >>
> >
> neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers#null
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Gary Hurst]

i bet he's a big star in oklahoma


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to say.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong feeling
> that
> > my government has been lying to me about it and everything else they have
> > ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not physical
> > evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official 9/11
> > narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations so i no
> > longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation perpetrated
> by
> > my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and erosion
> of
> > personal liberty
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes actually
> >> hitting the buildings?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <
> ka...@striplin.net
>  wrote:
> >>>
>  Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a
> >>> reasonable
>  upstanding person like Trent.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst 
> >>> wrote:
> >
> > i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.  millions
> >>> are.
> > it's not just me and gordon
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like this
>  jerk?
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <
> >> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  That has to be a spoof.
> >>>
> >>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
> >> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
> >>>
> >>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be
> >>> John
> >>> Lear...
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Tim
> 
>  On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man <
> >>> maontin@gmail.com
>  wrote:
> >>
> neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers#null
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Alex jones is a very smart guy, you should listen to what he has to say.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
> i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong feeling that
> my government has been lying to me about it and everything else they have
> ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not physical
> evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official 9/11
> narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations so i no
> longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation perpetrated by
> my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and erosion of
> personal liberty
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> wrote:
> 
>> Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes actually
>> hitting the buildings?
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin >>> wrote:
>>> 
 Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a
>>> reasonable
 upstanding person like Trent.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst 
>>> wrote:
> 
> i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.  millions
>>> are.
> it's not just me and gordon
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> wrote:
> 
>> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like this
 jerk?
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com
 
>>> wrote:
 
 That has to be a spoof.
>>> 
>>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
>> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
>>> 
>>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be
>>> John
>>> Lear...
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Tim
 
 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man <
>>> maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
>> neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers#null
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Dan Penoff]

  Try listening to the current "This American Life" episode if you want to hear 
about obsfucation when it comes to government agencies. Interesting story. I'm 
halfway through it and will hear the rest on the way home today.

Dan

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
> i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong feeling that
> my government has been lying to me about it and everything else they have
> ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not physical
> evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official 9/11
> narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations so i no
> longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation perpetrated by
> my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and erosion of
> personal liberty
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> wrote:
> 
>> Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes actually
>> hitting the buildings?
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin >>> wrote:
>>> 
 Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a
>>> reasonable
 upstanding person like Trent.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst 
>>> wrote:
> 
> i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.  millions
>>> are.
> it's not just me and gordon
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> wrote:
> 
>> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like this
 jerk?
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com
 
>>> wrote:
 
 That has to be a spoof.
>>> 
>>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
>>> 
>>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be
>>> John
>>> Lear...
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Tim
 
 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man <
>>> maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
>> 
 
>>> 
>> neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers#null
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Gary Hurst]

i don't really make anything more of 9/11 beyond a very strong feeling that
my government has been lying to me about it and everything else they have
ever told me about anything.  it was the israeli connection, not physical
evidence regarding planes, that got me suspicious of the official 9/11
narrative and i await someone to come refute those allegations so i no
longer have to suspect that this was a false flag operation perpetrated by
my own government as an excuse for perpetual large scale war and erosion of
personal liberty


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:

> Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes actually
> hitting the buildings?
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
>
> > you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a
> > reasonable
> > > upstanding person like Trent.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> >  > > i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.  millions
> > are.
> > > > it's not just me and gordon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like this
> > > jerk?
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > 
> > >  That has to be a spoof.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be
> > John
> > > >>> Lear...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Best,
> > > >>> Tim
> > > 
> > >  On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man <
> > maontin@gmail.com
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers#null
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Gary Hurst]

they say you can ride the south florida beaches on those bicycles with 4"
wide tires, but i've never done it nor have i seen anyone do it.  i can say
it cannot generally be done with your standard 2" wide cruiser tire.  i
even tried it the other week with a bicycle with an electric motor and just
ended up sliding out and ending up in the sand


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> These people don't go to the beach as far as I can tell.  They just stay
> in their enclaves.  I did go to a baseball game with a bunch of them, then
> to a NYC Italian red sauce restaurant where I asked them how they enjoyed
> the various things around MB.  They had no clue what I was talking about.
>
> But you are correct, the beaches have hard sand (at low tide).  I rode my
> bike the other day to the beach and down and up for about 3 miles.  My wife
> goes all the time.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 3/13/14 12:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> the sand is hard in SC so you can ride a cruiser bike on it.  i like that
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>
>>  You do know that there is a large herd of retired NYC cops and firemen in
>>> enclaves there, right?  They run up their pay with overtime and such so
>>> they end up with huge pensions, move there and buy places on golf courses
>>> and in condos and such, hang out together, go to NYC-style restaurants,
>>> and
>>> generally have nothing to do with anything else.  I guess it is closer
>>> than
>>> Florida, basically NYC but warmer.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/13/14 7:04 AM, Max Dillon wrote:
>>>
>>>  You have something against Wal-mart-by-the-sea?

 On March 12, 2014 11:06:46 PM EDT, Rich Thomas >>> constructivity.net> wrote:

  I'd have to go to Myrtle Beach to see it.  He would have to pay me
> $3950
> plus give me the car to do that.
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[Rich Thomas]

You need to take out the good stuff from all that then send the rest of 
it to the recycle.


I used to go to the recycle center in Houston, was not far from my 
house.  I would take some Gatorades and hand them out to the attendants 
(who were all on work release or community service or something) to let 
me scavenge stuff from the electronics pile -- that's where I got a 
bunch of Ljet motors.  I got a nice Sony vidcam too that worked for 
awhile (some issue in the tape transport) but it has a firewire port so 
it works as a cool webcam, does night shots and stuff.


After taking stuff apart I would take all the junk back and toss it on 
the pile, the attendants would look the other way.  They were quite 
intrigued with what I was doing with all the stuff.  I told them about 
my CNC machine, and for as stupid as they acted (at least in their 
behavior that landed them in that position, they were not really 
unintelligent) they were really very interested in it all.  I had this 
idea that someone needed to start some kind of training program to 
engage these idiots in something that would capture their attention and 
maybe lead to some useful purpose in life.  I should have gone for some 
gummint grant and done that, have them take apart the recycle stuff and 
make something useful from it, get them interested in electronics 
tech/repair or something.


--R



On 3/13/14 12:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
I hear you on the saving parts of it, but my basement is full of stuff 
like this and my wife thinks I am crazy so I don't know if there is 
room for one more.


On the plus side, I just tried it again and today it works.

So, who knows why it did not work yesterday. Maybe something needed to 
charge up?


Randy

On 13/03/2014 11:38 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
The fuser might be burned out or disconnected, or the fuser fuse 
might be burned out.  You can probably open it up and look to make 
sure all is connected and if there is a fuser fuse. You can also tell 
maybe if the paper does not come out hot. Another issue might be that 
the laser is not working to actually put the image on the paper.  
Those are generally in sealed "containers' with just the output going 
out a lens.  If it is something else in the scanner -> printer path 
(e.g., the scanner is not scanning due to some failure and is thus 
not sending an image), you can try to print something from the 
computer and see if that works.


If not, these things are pretty much disposable now given the cost of 
new ones and cartridges.  They do have a bunch of great precision 
parts in them though if you have an interest in making electronic 
stuff.  I scavenge motors, slides, LEDs, power supplies, mirrors, and 
other stuff which can be repurposed to various things.  I built my 
CNC machine using scavenged stepper motors from old Laserjet III 
printers, and have another little prototype with a smaller stepper 
motor and power supply I got out of somethings.


--R


On 3/13/14 12:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

Do we have anyone on here who knows about copiers?

The gist of my issue is, that I have a Panasonic multi-function 
machine - copier, printer, scanner etc that is a number of years old.
I upgraded to a new one a couple of years back and the old one has 
been sitting on a desk outside of my office.
It worked fine when I parked it there and I have used it a few times 
in the interim just to keep it ready as a backup if I have any 
issues with the new one.
Yesterday I decided to copy a couple of pages just to make it work 
and move the rollers around etc in an effort to ensure it was still 
ready. I discovered it will not make a copy.
It runs. It will feed the paper through, but it does not produce an 
image on the paper. There is a light grey coating on the whole page 
but nothing to indicate an image of what was copied.
I pulled the toner cartridge and shook it a bit but that did not 
seem to help.
Any ideas? The drum is not part of the toner cartridge and I am 
thinking it may have deteriorated.
Sadly it may just go in the dumpster as I am not inclined to spend 
much on it.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Rich Thomas]

These people don't go to the beach as far as I can tell.  They just stay 
in their enclaves.  I did go to a baseball game with a bunch of them, 
then to a NYC Italian red sauce restaurant where I asked them how they 
enjoyed the various things around MB.  They had no clue what I was 
talking about.


But you are correct, the beaches have hard sand (at low tide).  I rode 
my bike the other day to the beach and down and up for about 3 miles.  
My wife goes all the time.


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On 3/13/14 12:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

the sand is hard in SC so you can ride a cruiser bike on it.  i like that


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


You do know that there is a large herd of retired NYC cops and firemen in
enclaves there, right?  They run up their pay with overtime and such so
they end up with huge pensions, move there and buy places on golf courses
and in condos and such, hang out together, go to NYC-style restaurants, and
generally have nothing to do with anything else.  I guess it is closer than
Florida, basically NYC but warmer.

--R



On 3/13/14 7:04 AM, Max Dillon wrote:


You have something against Wal-mart-by-the-sea?

On March 12, 2014 11:06:46 PM EDT, Rich Thomas  wrote:


I'd have to go to Myrtle Beach to see it.  He would have to pay me
$3950
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Re: [MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[Rich Thomas]

Brother, can you spare a dime?

--R


On 3/13/14 12:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

We are in the market for an all in one fax-copier-scanner-printer.  Budget
is $150 max.  Any recommendations?  Must be laser and not inkjet.



On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


The fuser might be burned out or disconnected, or the fuser fuse might be
burned out.  You can probably open it up and look to make sure all is
connected and if there is a fuser fuse.  You can also tell maybe if the
paper does not come out hot.  Another issue might be that the laser is not
working to actually put the image on the paper.  Those are generally in
sealed "containers' with just the output going out a lens.  If it is
something else in the scanner -> printer path (e.g., the scanner is not
scanning due to some failure and is thus not sending an image), you can try
to print something from the computer and see if that works.

If not, these things are pretty much disposable now given the cost of new
ones and cartridges.  They do have a bunch of great precision parts in them
though if you have an interest in making electronic stuff.  I scavenge
motors, slides, LEDs, power supplies, mirrors, and other stuff which can be
repurposed to various things.  I built my CNC machine using scavenged
stepper motors from old Laserjet III printers, and have another little
prototype with a smaller stepper motor and power supply I got out of
somethings.

--R



On 3/13/14 12:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:


Do we have anyone on here who knows about copiers?

The gist of my issue is, that I have a Panasonic multi-function machine -
copier, printer, scanner etc that is a number of years old.
I upgraded to a new one a couple of years back and the old one has been
sitting on a desk outside of my office.
It worked fine when I parked it there and I have used it a few times in
the interim just to keep it ready as a backup if I have any issues with the
new one.
Yesterday I decided to copy a couple of pages just to make it work and
move the rollers around etc in an effort to ensure it was still ready. I
discovered it will not make a copy.
It runs. It will feed the paper through, but it does not produce an image
on the paper. There is a light grey coating on the whole page but nothing
to indicate an image of what was copied.
I pulled the toner cartridge and shook it a bit but that did not seem to
help.
Any ideas? The drum is not part of the toner cartridge and I am thinking
it may have deteriorated.
Sadly it may just go in the dumpster as I am not inclined to spend much
on it.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[Randy Bennell]

I hear you on the saving parts of it, but my basement is full of stuff 
like this and my wife thinks I am crazy so I don't know if there is room 
for one more.


On the plus side, I just tried it again and today it works.

So, who knows why it did not work yesterday. Maybe something needed to 
charge up?


Randy

On 13/03/2014 11:38 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
The fuser might be burned out or disconnected, or the fuser fuse might 
be burned out.  You can probably open it up and look to make sure all 
is connected and if there is a fuser fuse. You can also tell maybe if 
the paper does not come out hot. Another issue might be that the laser 
is not working to actually put the image on the paper.  Those are 
generally in sealed "containers' with just the output going out a 
lens.  If it is something else in the scanner -> printer path (e.g., 
the scanner is not scanning due to some failure and is thus not 
sending an image), you can try to print something from the computer 
and see if that works.


If not, these things are pretty much disposable now given the cost of 
new ones and cartridges.  They do have a bunch of great precision 
parts in them though if you have an interest in making electronic 
stuff.  I scavenge motors, slides, LEDs, power supplies, mirrors, and 
other stuff which can be repurposed to various things.  I built my CNC 
machine using scavenged stepper motors from old Laserjet III printers, 
and have another little prototype with a smaller stepper motor and 
power supply I got out of somethings.


--R


On 3/13/14 12:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

Do we have anyone on here who knows about copiers?

The gist of my issue is, that I have a Panasonic multi-function 
machine - copier, printer, scanner etc that is a number of years old.
I upgraded to a new one a couple of years back and the old one has 
been sitting on a desk outside of my office.
It worked fine when I parked it there and I have used it a few times 
in the interim just to keep it ready as a backup if I have any issues 
with the new one.
Yesterday I decided to copy a couple of pages just to make it work 
and move the rollers around etc in an effort to ensure it was still 
ready. I discovered it will not make a copy.
It runs. It will feed the paper through, but it does not produce an 
image on the paper. There is a light grey coating on the whole page 
but nothing to indicate an image of what was copied.
I pulled the toner cartridge and shook it a bit but that did not seem 
to help.
Any ideas? The drum is not part of the toner cartridge and I am 
thinking it may have deteriorated.
Sadly it may just go in the dumpster as I am not inclined to spend 
much on it.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Gary Hurst]

the sand is hard in SC so you can ride a cruiser bike on it.  i like that


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> You do know that there is a large herd of retired NYC cops and firemen in
> enclaves there, right?  They run up their pay with overtime and such so
> they end up with huge pensions, move there and buy places on golf courses
> and in condos and such, hang out together, go to NYC-style restaurants, and
> generally have nothing to do with anything else.  I guess it is closer than
> Florida, basically NYC but warmer.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 3/13/14 7:04 AM, Max Dillon wrote:
>
>> You have something against Wal-mart-by-the-sea?
>>
>> On March 12, 2014 11:06:46 PM EDT, Rich Thomas > constructivity.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd have to go to Myrtle Beach to see it.  He would have to pay me
>>> $3950
>>> plus give me the car to do that.
>>>
>>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Hey Gary, what do you make of the video images showing planes actually
hitting the buildings?

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
>
> > Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a
> reasonable
> > upstanding person like Trent.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> > >
>  > > i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.  millions
> are.
> > > it's not just me and gordon
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like this
> > jerk?
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  >
> > >>> wrote:
> > 
> >  That has to be a spoof.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
> > >>>
> > >>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be
> John
> > >>> Lear...
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>> Tim
> > 
> >  On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man <
> maontin@gmail.com
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > >>
> >
> neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers#null
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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Rich Thomas]

You do know that there is a large herd of retired NYC cops and firemen 
in enclaves there, right?  They run up their pay with overtime and such 
so they end up with huge pensions, move there and buy places on golf 
courses and in condos and such, hang out together, go to NYC-style 
restaurants, and generally have nothing to do with anything else.  I 
guess it is closer than Florida, basically NYC but warmer.


--R


On 3/13/14 7:04 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

You have something against Wal-mart-by-the-sea?

On March 12, 2014 11:06:46 PM EDT, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:

I'd have to go to Myrtle Beach to see it.  He would have to pay me
$3950
plus give me the car to do that.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[Andrew Strasfogel]

We are in the market for an all in one fax-copier-scanner-printer.  Budget
is $150 max.  Any recommendations?  Must be laser and not inkjet.



On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> The fuser might be burned out or disconnected, or the fuser fuse might be
> burned out.  You can probably open it up and look to make sure all is
> connected and if there is a fuser fuse.  You can also tell maybe if the
> paper does not come out hot.  Another issue might be that the laser is not
> working to actually put the image on the paper.  Those are generally in
> sealed "containers' with just the output going out a lens.  If it is
> something else in the scanner -> printer path (e.g., the scanner is not
> scanning due to some failure and is thus not sending an image), you can try
> to print something from the computer and see if that works.
>
> If not, these things are pretty much disposable now given the cost of new
> ones and cartridges.  They do have a bunch of great precision parts in them
> though if you have an interest in making electronic stuff.  I scavenge
> motors, slides, LEDs, power supplies, mirrors, and other stuff which can be
> repurposed to various things.  I built my CNC machine using scavenged
> stepper motors from old Laserjet III printers, and have another little
> prototype with a smaller stepper motor and power supply I got out of
> somethings.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 3/13/14 12:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
>
>> Do we have anyone on here who knows about copiers?
>>
>> The gist of my issue is, that I have a Panasonic multi-function machine -
>> copier, printer, scanner etc that is a number of years old.
>> I upgraded to a new one a couple of years back and the old one has been
>> sitting on a desk outside of my office.
>> It worked fine when I parked it there and I have used it a few times in
>> the interim just to keep it ready as a backup if I have any issues with the
>> new one.
>> Yesterday I decided to copy a couple of pages just to make it work and
>> move the rollers around etc in an effort to ensure it was still ready. I
>> discovered it will not make a copy.
>> It runs. It will feed the paper through, but it does not produce an image
>> on the paper. There is a light grey coating on the whole page but nothing
>> to indicate an image of what was copied.
>> I pulled the toner cartridge and shook it a bit but that did not seem to
>> help.
>> Any ideas? The drum is not part of the toner cartridge and I am thinking
>> it may have deteriorated.
>> Sadly it may just go in the dumpster as I am not inclined to spend much
>> on it.
>>
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Rich Thomas]

I would be disappointed to go there.  If the interior was trashed I 
would beat on the guy more.  The color is not my particular favorite (it 
looks sorta bronze?) but it is a cool car.


--R


On 3/13/14 11:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Would you be disappointed if you took thje trouble to go there only to find
out that the interior is trashed?

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Max Dillon wrote:


I do like that car...

On March 12, 2014 11:01:37 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Suspisiously, only one photo of the interior...


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:07 PM, OK Don  wrote:


Nope - go for it! At least check it out - - -


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4357283363.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[Rich Thomas]

The fuser might be burned out or disconnected, or the fuser fuse might 
be burned out.  You can probably open it up and look to make sure all is 
connected and if there is a fuser fuse.  You can also tell maybe if the 
paper does not come out hot.  Another issue might be that the laser is 
not working to actually put the image on the paper.  Those are generally 
in sealed "containers' with just the output going out a lens.  If it is 
something else in the scanner -> printer path (e.g., the scanner is not 
scanning due to some failure and is thus not sending an image), you can 
try to print something from the computer and see if that works.


If not, these things are pretty much disposable now given the cost of 
new ones and cartridges.  They do have a bunch of great precision parts 
in them though if you have an interest in making electronic stuff.  I 
scavenge motors, slides, LEDs, power supplies, mirrors, and other stuff 
which can be repurposed to various things.  I built my CNC machine using 
scavenged stepper motors from old Laserjet III printers, and have 
another little prototype with a smaller stepper motor and power supply I 
got out of somethings.


--R


On 3/13/14 12:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

Do we have anyone on here who knows about copiers?

The gist of my issue is, that I have a Panasonic multi-function 
machine - copier, printer, scanner etc that is a number of years old.
I upgraded to a new one a couple of years back and the old one has 
been sitting on a desk outside of my office.
It worked fine when I parked it there and I have used it a few times 
in the interim just to keep it ready as a backup if I have any issues 
with the new one.
Yesterday I decided to copy a couple of pages just to make it work and 
move the rollers around etc in an effort to ensure it was still ready. 
I discovered it will not make a copy.
It runs. It will feed the paper through, but it does not produce an 
image on the paper. There is a light grey coating on the whole page 
but nothing to indicate an image of what was copied.
I pulled the toner cartridge and shook it a bit but that did not seem 
to help.
Any ideas? The drum is not part of the toner cartridge and I am 
thinking it may have deteriorated.
Sadly it may just go in the dumpster as I am not inclined to spend 
much on it.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Gary Hurst]

you hit that nail right on the head, kleb!


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a reasonable
> upstanding person like Trent.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.  millions are.
> > it's not just me and gordon
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like this
> jerk?
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  That has to be a spoof.
> >>>
> >>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
> >>>
> >>> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
> >>>
> >>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be John
> >>> Lear...
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Tim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well you are pretty much a nut job, right? I mean you are not a reasonable 
upstanding person like Trent.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> 
> i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.  millions are.
> it's not just me and gordon
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
> wrote:
> 
>> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like this jerk?
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
>>> wrote:
 
 That has to be a spoof.
>>> 
>>> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
>>> 
>>> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
>>> 
>>> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be John
>>> Lear...
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Tim
 
 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man >>> wrote:
 
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[MBZ] OT - copier - printer problem

[Randy Bennell]

Do we have anyone on here who knows about copiers?

The gist of my issue is, that I have a Panasonic multi-function machine 
- copier, printer, scanner etc that is a number of years old.
I upgraded to a new one a couple of years back and the old one has been 
sitting on a desk outside of my office.
It worked fine when I parked it there and I have used it a few times in 
the interim just to keep it ready as a backup if I have any issues with 
the new one.
Yesterday I decided to copy a couple of pages just to make it work and 
move the rollers around etc in an effort to ensure it was still ready. I 
discovered it will not make a copy.
It runs. It will feed the paper through, but it does not produce an 
image on the paper. There is a light grey coating on the whole page but 
nothing to indicate an image of what was copied.
I pulled the toner cartridge and shook it a bit but that did not seem to 
help.
Any ideas? The drum is not part of the toner cartridge and I am thinking 
it may have deteriorated.
Sadly it may just go in the dumpster as I am not inclined to spend much 
on it.


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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Randy Bennell]

and, thus almost invisible to the police . . .



On 13/03/2014 10:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Besides, anthracite gray is the most BORING color on the planet.





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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Gary Hurst]

i'm pretty much on board with most of what this guy says.  millions are.
it's not just me and gordon


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:

> Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like this jerk?
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
>
> > On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > That has to be a spoof.
> >
> > Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
> >
> > http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
> >
> > Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be John
> > Lear...
> >
> > Best,
> > Tim
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man  > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Would you be disappointed if you took thje trouble to go there only to find
out that the interior is trashed?

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

> I do like that car...
>
> On March 12, 2014 11:01:37 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Suspisiously, only one photo of the interior...
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:07 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> >
> >> Nope - go for it! At least check it out - - -
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Rich Thomas <
> >> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4357283363.html
> >> >
> >> > --R
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> OK Don
> >>
> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
> >few who
> >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> >fence
> >> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Besides, anthracite gray is the most BORING color on the planet.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:

> Would you be disappointed if you took thje trouble to go there only to
> find out that the interior is trashed?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Max Dillon wrote:
>
>> I do like that car...
>>
>> On March 12, 2014 11:01:37 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Suspisiously, only one photo of the interior...
>> >
>> >
>> >On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:07 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Nope - go for it! At least check it out - - -
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> >> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4357283363.html
>> >> >
>> >> > --R
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> OK Don
>> >>
>> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
>> >few who
>> >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>> >fence
>> >> for themselves."
>> >>
>> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>> >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Why do people waster their time on a nut job/exhibitionist like this jerk?

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:

> On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
> >
> > That has to be a spoof.
>
> Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:
>
> http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/
>
> Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be John
> Lear...
>
> Best,
> Tim
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man  >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Max Dillon]

I do like that car...

On March 12, 2014 11:01:37 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel  
wrote:
>Suspisiously, only one photo of the interior...
>
>
>On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:07 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
>> Nope - go for it! At least check it out - - -
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>
>> > https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4357283363.html
>> >
>> > --R
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> OK Don
>>
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
>few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>fence
>> for themselves."
>>
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Stop me again!

[Max Dillon]

You have something against Wal-mart-by-the-sea?

On March 12, 2014 11:06:46 PM EDT, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:
>I'd have to go to Myrtle Beach to see it.  He would have to pay me
>$3950 
>plus give me the car to do that.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Malaysian 777?

[Tim Crone]

On Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:
>
> That has to be a spoof.

Sadly, no.  Here's an interview from 2010:

http://nomoregames.net/2010/12/14/an-interview-with-pilot-john-lear/

Or maybe it's a conspiracy, and it's just someone pretending to be John
Lear...

Best,
Tim
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] 126 key

[Hans Neureiter]

The "Valet" key does not have the V-groove.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:27 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> My 126 and 124 keys have a V-groove down the middle of the flat "ridge" on
> each side, and each side is identical to the other side - there's no right
> side up - key works the same either way.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas"  constructivity.net>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 key
>
>
>
>  No the 126 keys have a ridge down the middle, the 123 key is different
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/14 7:28 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
>>
>>> Will a 123 blank work? I bought a whole box of them some years ago from a
>>> locksmith who was closing out old inventory.
>>> On Mar 11, 2014 3:38 PM, "Rich Thomas" >> constructivity.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I need to get another key for the 300SD.  Years ago I got one made at
 the
 locksmith for the 79 TD but it is flat key, the SD has that ridge down
 the
 middle.  Can a locksmith get a blank for one like that and make a
 duplicate, or is it a dealer-only key?

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