Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Turbo won't start
usually how it works out when one does business with a chowdah king On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 8:11 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Gary got me one at a very reasonable price for my 300D that has worked flawlessly. Gerry On 3/25/2014 5:29 PM, Dieselhead wrote: My 1984 300D Turbo won't start, but there's a loud buzzing/groaning coming from the glow plug control relay box and the buzzing/groaning will stop if either of the two plugs to the glow plug control relay are unplugged. I'm assuming the problem is the glow plug control relay? Is there any way to repair these things, as a new replacement is rather pricey? TIA G. M. Brown Brevard, NC Buy a used one. Car-part.com then search for something on your car. Call them and ask if they have a GP relay. Somebody will have one. Kaleb used to sell them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New Diesels available in the US now:
I assume the price of Diesel is due to less refineriescommitted to making diesel? Which I assume is because of the difficulty getting construction and operating permits? Sincerely, Larry More like tight supplies in winter because the eastern yankees use it to heat houses in place of wood or coal, and the high rates of goobermnt taxation. And partly because they can same as Benzin. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240D ?
Dieselhead wrote: Anyone want to sell a good 81-83 OM616 engine? Your mao-616 still runs? mao Ja, but I don't want to part with it or the car it is in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New Diesels available in the US now:
Yes and no... Last I checked diesel was $4.05 and gas was $3.70, thats a difference of $0.75, so diesel is 20% more expensive than gas. Diesel fuel has about 30% more energy than gas so you pay 20 to get 30. In the Dodge pickup the difference is important, people will say the diesel is $4000 more expensive than the gasser which is true except thats comparing the diesel which has better performance than the V8 gasser to the V6 gasser. The V8 is $1500 more than the V6 so the diesel is only $2500 more. According to fueleconomy.gov the V8 8spd Dodge 4wd is going to do 17mpg combined while the diesel will do 22mpg. The v8 does require midgrade which evens the field a little bit. Fueleconomy.gov suggests the gasser will require twice the money in gas over 5 years that the diesel does and thus the diesel engine pays for itself in that time. Plus the diesel has more torque and produces its power down low where you want it. Angie has said she'd like a Jetta like mine. I think in reality if we get another Jetta it'll be a gasser. She doesn't really drive enough to make the added fuel economy come out in the end especially since the TDIs really hold their value. Which is one important final point diesels really hold their value, waay better than gassers... -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:01:53 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Diesels available in the US now: Message-ID: CAKOy=fXsjDsBN8=TOJ6BJotGGPG_scrrmWOdWGu0=ov8g4a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now that diesel is holding solid around 4 dollars a gallon. Buying a diesel is getting harder to monetarily justify. It's kind of ironic we suddenly have more choices. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Marshall used to say graphite was a no-no if you had an alarm... I've got some Dupont branded PTFE with graphite in an alcohol carrier thats pretty terrific stuff. The Jetta's locks get sticky, I give it a shot with that and its all better. The driver's lock has finally settled down and acts good, the trunk still needs a periodic shot. I should pull that lock and clean it. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:23:38 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee Message-ID: 1d0c9f0a-eb5e-4deb-b998-6a4ba9b2b...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
I'm not sure why, as later models used an external microswitch to sense the lock position. You couldn't get stuff on it from spraying the cylinder down if you wanted to. For that matter, W123, W124 and W126 models didn't do anything with the alarm and lock cylinders that I know of, unless it was the ignition cylinder. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Marshall used to say graphite was a no-no if you had an alarm... I've got some Dupont branded PTFE with graphite in an alcohol carrier thats pretty terrific stuff. The Jetta's locks get sticky, I give it a shot with that and its all better. The driver's lock has finally settled down and acts good, the trunk still needs a periodic shot. I should pull that lock and clean it. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:23:38 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee Message-ID: 1d0c9f0a-eb5e-4deb-b998-6a4ba9b2b...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
Motorized parachutes look like fun. The used ones seem a little pricey. http://parachutepilot.com/equipment_for_sale.htm If your engine quits, how hard do you hit the ground? The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry On 3/25/2014 10:10 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: http://pt709.synology.me/DSCF0543.JPG http://pt709.synology.me/DSCF0545.JPG You can fly anything in our unrestricted rural area. Links to photos of motorized parachute above. The transport trailer is in the foreground of the first photo. The runway is just a closely-mowed strip in my neighbor's field across the road. Scott -Original Message- From: arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:33 PM ... The large deed restricted community where I live provides a field and a club for model flying, but they won't allow anything but battery operated models. ... Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New Diesels available in the US now:
...the diesel is only $2500 more. Every bit of which you'll get back on resale, at least around here. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New Diesels available in the US now:
Boy this one took a long time to show up in digest. It bugged me all the way home since I knew I'd made an error. Obviously $4.05 - 3.70 isn't 0.75, its 0.35. Then on the way home I noticed gas was $3.55, so its actually $.50 difference... -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Diesels available in the US now: Message-ID: 1395764657.28868.yahoomail...@web161803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes and no... Last I checked diesel was $4.05 and gas was $3.70, thats a difference of $0.75, so diesel is 20% more expensive than gas. Diesel fuel has about 30% more energy than gas so you pay 20 to get 30. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Isn't it interesting that Dan and I can disagree? I said I was advised to use oil. He said one should never use oil. Neither one of us called the other any inappropriate names etc. Quite civilized. Randy On 25/03/2014 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
On 3/26/2014 10:09 AM, Dieselhead wrote: The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry On 3/26/2014 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: Isn't it interesting that Dan and I can disagree? I said I was advised to use oil. He said one should never use oil. Neither one of us called the other any inappropriate names etc. Quite civilized. Randy On 25/03/2014 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
in '85, a factory alarm was an option on the 300D, and it's activated by the key in either door. i'm not familiar with the construction of the internals of the key mechanism, but i do recall being told not to use graphite in that tumbler due to its electrical conductivity. ours has the alarm; it still works quite well. only problem we've had with it is when the hood sensor is knocked out of position by the valve cover during valve adjustments and not repositioned correctly. (naturally, this creates a problem that only surfaces with the alarm going off in the coldest part of the night...) cheers! e On 26/Mar/14 04:00, Dan Penoff wrote: I'm not sure why, as later models used an external microswitch to sense the lock position. You couldn't get stuff on it from spraying the cylinder down if you wanted to. For that matter, W123, W124 and W126 models didn't do anything with the alarm and lock cylinders that I know of, unless it was the ignition cylinder. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Marshall used to say graphite was a no-no if you had an alarm... I've got some Dupont branded PTFE with graphite in an alcohol carrier thats pretty terrific stuff. The Jetta's locks get sticky, I give it a shot with that and its all better. The driver's lock has finally settled down and acts good, the trunk still needs a periodic shot. I should pull that lock and clean it. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:23:38 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee Message-ID: 1d0c9f0a-eb5e-4deb-b998-6a4ba9b2b...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Benz sells an MBZ approved lock lubricant. Cost unknown. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee in '85, a factory alarm was an option on the 300D, and it's activated by the key in either door. i'm not familiar with the construction of the internals of the key mechanism, but i do recall being told not to use graphite in that tumbler due to its electrical conductivity. ours has the alarm; it still works quite well. only problem we've had with it is when the hood sensor is knocked out of position by the valve cover during valve adjustments and not repositioned correctly. (naturally, this creates a problem that only surfaces with the alarm going off in the coldest part of the night...) cheers! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
You have native gooseberries?? WTF. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 3/26/2014 10:09 AM, Dieselhead wrote: The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
On 26/03/2014 11:36 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry Well, I am not a very typical lawyer when it comes right down to it. I guess I am getting old, but I cannot help but think that things were better in the past and in Canada, at least, there were more lawyers in government in the past than there are now. Today we seem to be willing to elect or appoint media people just because they have become familiar faces. Not a good thing in my book. Look up Patrick Duffy and Pamela Wallen for example, or check out a couple of our recent Governor Generals who thought they had been appointed Queen. Ugh! I don't know what to say about Rob Ford. he is an obvious embarrassment to us all. Those of us who do not live in Toronto think to some extent that Toronto deserves him. What more can I say? God help us if he becomes PM. I guess I have to say the same about Trudeau JR. What an oddball. Probably a nice enough fellow but there does not appear to be the depth that should be there. Many do not like our current PM but I think Harper is a good fellow and doing fine in a tough and thankless job. Lots of interesting folks at the provincial level too. In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. In Alberta, the Premier just resigned because she pi**ed off her own party. I think similar just happened in NFLD. Ontario has some oddball woman who is doing her best to make matters worse than they already are. Quebec has Marois who wants to abolish anything English and the word Canada but wants us to keep sending the cash etc. Saskatchewan, which used to be considered something of a hole between Ontario and BC is now booming and doing very well. Low taxes, lots of jobs etc. Who knew that would ever happen??? It has become a strange world. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
You omitted your candid assessment of the Manotaba political establishment, or was that deliberate? Harper is public enemy no. 1 south of the border among environmentalists. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 26/03/2014 11:36 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry Well, I am not a very typical lawyer when it comes right down to it. I guess I am getting old, but I cannot help but think that things were better in the past and in Canada, at least, there were more lawyers in government in the past than there are now. Today we seem to be willing to elect or appoint media people just because they have become familiar faces. Not a good thing in my book. Look up Patrick Duffy and Pamela Wallen for example, or check out a couple of our recent Governor Generals who thought they had been appointed Queen. Ugh! I don't know what to say about Rob Ford. he is an obvious embarrassment to us all. Those of us who do not live in Toronto think to some extent that Toronto deserves him. What more can I say? God help us if he becomes PM. I guess I have to say the same about Trudeau JR. What an oddball. Probably a nice enough fellow but there does not appear to be the depth that should be there. Many do not like our current PM but I think Harper is a good fellow and doing fine in a tough and thankless job. Lots of interesting folks at the provincial level too. In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. In Alberta, the Premier just resigned because she pi**ed off her own party. I think similar just happened in NFLD. Ontario has some oddball woman who is doing her best to make matters worse than they already are. Quebec has Marois who wants to abolish anything English and the word Canada but wants us to keep sending the cash etc. Saskatchewan, which used to be considered something of a hole between Ontario and BC is now booming and doing very well. Low taxes, lots of jobs etc. Who knew that would ever happen??? It has become a strange world. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. What more would you have me say? Our NDP government is spending like a drunk and raising taxes on a regular basis and telling us they are doing it all for us. Randy On 26/03/2014 12:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You omitted your candid assessment of the Manotaba political establishment, or was that deliberate? Harper is public enemy no. 1 south of the border among environmentalists. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 26/03/2014 11:36 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry Well, I am not a very typical lawyer when it comes right down to it. I guess I am getting old, but I cannot help but think that things were better in the past and in Canada, at least, there were more lawyers in government in the past than there are now. Today we seem to be willing to elect or appoint media people just because they have become familiar faces. Not a good thing in my book. Look up Patrick Duffy and Pamela Wallen for example, or check out a couple of our recent Governor Generals who thought they had been appointed Queen. Ugh! I don't know what to say about Rob Ford. he is an obvious embarrassment to us all. Those of us who do not live in Toronto think to some extent that Toronto deserves him. What more can I say? God help us if he becomes PM. I guess I have to say the same about Trudeau JR. What an oddball. Probably a nice enough fellow but there does not appear to be the depth that should be there. Many do not like our current PM but I think Harper is a good fellow and doing fine in a tough and thankless job. Lots of interesting folks at the provincial level too. In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. In Alberta, the Premier just resigned because she pi**ed off her own party. I think similar just happened in NFLD. Ontario has some oddball woman who is doing her best to make matters worse than they already are. Quebec has Marois who wants to abolish anything English and the word Canada but wants us to keep sending the cash etc. Saskatchewan, which used to be considered something of a hole between Ontario and BC is now booming and doing very well. Low taxes, lots of jobs etc. Who knew that would ever happen??? It has become a strange world. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
Sounds good to me. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. What more would you have me say? Our NDP government is spending like a drunk and raising taxes on a regular basis and telling us they are doing it all for us. Randy On 26/03/2014 12:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You omitted your candid assessment of the Manotaba political establishment, or was that deliberate? Harper is public enemy no. 1 south of the border among environmentalists. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 26/03/2014 11:36 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's probably because you are a lawyer and Dan is a teacher. Both of you are trained to remain civil even when you are dealing with someone who is obviously and persistently wrong Personally, I think a lot of Americas troubles are due to having nearly all lawyers running the government. We ought to put a limit on the number of lawyers running things in Washington and go back to our early beginnings where duels were still a way of settling disagreements; mainly because there were not as many lawyers. Consider Rob Ford, your most famous and effective politician, Randy. Would he be as effective if he were a lawyer? Fortunately for Toronto he didn't go to law school. It wouldn't surprise me to see him become prime minister some day. [:o) Gerry Well, I am not a very typical lawyer when it comes right down to it. I guess I am getting old, but I cannot help but think that things were better in the past and in Canada, at least, there were more lawyers in government in the past than there are now. Today we seem to be willing to elect or appoint media people just because they have become familiar faces. Not a good thing in my book. Look up Patrick Duffy and Pamela Wallen for example, or check out a couple of our recent Governor Generals who thought they had been appointed Queen. Ugh! I don't know what to say about Rob Ford. he is an obvious embarrassment to us all. Those of us who do not live in Toronto think to some extent that Toronto deserves him. What more can I say? God help us if he becomes PM. I guess I have to say the same about Trudeau JR. What an oddball. Probably a nice enough fellow but there does not appear to be the depth that should be there. Many do not like our current PM but I think Harper is a good fellow and doing fine in a tough and thankless job. Lots of interesting folks at the provincial level too. In Manitoba, our socialist leaning Premier, Selinger, is doing his best to bankrupt us. In Alberta, the Premier just resigned because she pi**ed off her own party. I think similar just happened in NFLD. Ontario has some oddball woman who is doing her best to make matters worse than they already are. Quebec has Marois who wants to abolish anything English and the word Canada but wants us to keep sending the cash etc. Saskatchewan, which used to be considered something of a hole between Ontario and BC is now booming and doing very well. Low taxes, lots of jobs etc. Who knew that would ever happen??? It has become a strange world. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
I am up for that! Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: When I was flying radio control airplanes I built a Dallaire Sportser. Craig and Shirley need to meet Esh when they drive back up to Jerry Ford's airstrip. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] spade key no workee
When in doubt, pinkies out. Or, do you have any Grey Poupon? Hee. Dan trying to be civilized Sent from my iPad On Mar 26, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Isn't it interesting that Dan and I can disagree? I said I was advised to use oil. He said one should never use oil. Neither one of us called the other any inappropriate names etc. Quite civilized. Randy On 25/03/2014 4:23 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just order a new key from the dealer with your VIN. Cheap, and you'll be sure that it's the right key. NEVER, EVER put oil in a lock. You will make a mess of it for sure. Get a tube of graphite from your local hardware store, or rub a pencil lead all over the key (powered graphite works much better.) Dan On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 25/03/2014 2:23 PM, Van Knutson wrote: Just for shats giggles, I, for the first time since buying the car 4 yrs ago, put the spade key in the door instead of using electronic ingress as usual. It fit but gave no inkling of turning / unlocking the car. I confess testing the physical key in the door didn't occur to me @ time of sale. Is it possible that, the tumbler had filled with crud after not being penetrated in god knows how long (it was 10 yrs old when I bought it in 2009 and may never have been tested for all I know), or that the key / tumbler combo was a mismatch from the getgo? I don't want to go around wantonly spraying WD40 everywhere and really mess things up. I am nervous in that I am one dead wristwatch battery away from being permanently locked out of my car. 99 E 320 Maybe talk to a locksmith? I had an issue with one of the deadbolts on my house and took it to a locksmith with the intention of buying a new lock like it as I thought it was worn out. They looked at it and suggested all that it really needed was good lubrication. They sold me a small but expensive bottle of oil that they recommended and I did what they suggested. Has been several years now with no problems. I should probably lube it again while I am remembering this. No idea if some lesser oil (or Mobil1) would have done the trick but the advice from the locksmith was free so I think I more than broke even. He could just as easily have sold me a new $100 lock. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New Diesels available in the US now:
Diesel is $3.70 - $3.80 here, same as premium gas. However, the economics don't matter in most cases, Diesel rocks and gas sucks. It's about the inherent superiority of Diesel technology over spark ignited gasoline. Mechanical elegance and all that. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Boy this one took a long time to show up in digest. It bugged me all the way home since I knew I'd made an error. Obviously $4.05 - 3.70 isn't 0.75, its 0.35. Then on the way home I noticed gas was $3.55, so its actually $.50 difference... -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry The HOA where my daughter lives managed to force one lot owner to go in and clean out dead wood and underbrush. Different state, but i think if the HOA was aggressive, they could do it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Gooseberries fer andrew Wuz:Restrictions/fire hazards
andrew sez: You have native gooseberries?? WTF. http://pubs.ext.vt.edu/438/438-107/438-107.html#L4 Yes, native gooseberries grow wild. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
Not a real problem to have a controlled burn in an area like that. We had one last year. I was super impressed. The NC Forestry Service pulled it off, had a whole bunch of guys in yellow suits and stuff, and trucks everywhere, and one big yellow helicopter. The helicopter shot fire balls, like a video game, every 50 yards or so, and the guys running the fire line started with the wind to their backs, using what looked like tomato sprayers, but fire came out and brush disappeared. They burned 75 acres, and were done in less than 2 hours. Prep included a fire brake done with a track hoe/plow/bush machine. It cuts a swath about 10 yards wide, and wider when the trees might allow the fire to skip over. This monster would cut down trees in the way, and plow the earth under them to some where around 2 feet.. big bottom plow attached to a digger/grader type.. sorta a bulldozer on steroids with a plow behind (c: I have pictures. Don't know how to attach them here. (c: Cheers Richard On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: You have native gooseberries?? WTF. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 3/26/2014 10:09 AM, Dieselhead wrote: The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gooseberries fer andrew Wuz:Restrictions/fire hazards
Aha. I planted jostaberries several years back in my DC garden, They fruited lightly but spread like crazy, and turned out to be ordinary gooseberries. WTF. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: andrew sez: You have native gooseberries?? WTF. http://pubs.ext.vt.edu/438/438-107/438-107.html#L4 Yes, native gooseberries grow wild. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240D ?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:40:33 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone want to sell a good 81-83 OM616 engine? Or anyone want to buy an 83 240D in need of engine work? In OK. I have the OM616 from our '82 240D, bolted to a manual transmission. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: When I was flying radio control airplanes I built a Dallaire Sportser. Craig and Shirley need to meet Esh when they drive back up to Jerry Ford's airstrip. When you wrote this message, we were almost all the way back to Albuquerque. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New Diesels available in the US now:
As older homes upgrade to gas or get torn down, there will be less use for heating oil. There are also issues with sources of oil. Venezuelan crude is crap for motor fuel, but much better for diesel and kerosene. The stuff we produce in Texas and such is light sweet, Really nice for gasoline. I am going to surmise the thick nasty muck in the Atabaskan oil sands would be good for running trains, trucks and tanker ships clay On Mar 25, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The price of diesel is reflective of the price of heating oil, or it used to be. We've had a cold winter in the East so lots of heating oil was consumed, and our diesel prices reflect that. Today we had the latest mostest snow I can remember (2 -3 in my back yard). On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I assume the price of Diesel is due to less refineriescommitted to making diesel? Which I assume is because of the difficulty getting construction and operating permits? Sincerely, Larry On 3/25/2014 11:50 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: if i had the coin, i'd get two VW tdi's. a bug convertible and a jetta wagon On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/03/2014 9:01 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Now that diesel is holding solid around 4 dollars a gallon. Buying a diesel is getting harder to monetarily justify. It's kind of ironic we suddenly have more choices. Bob R The TDI may still be a winner at close to 50 mpg as per Curt's experience. Although, I cannot say I know how well a new gas Civic does. might be close. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Meeting with Esh [was: Re: Fats driving]
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:57:45 -0400 Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig and Shirley need to meet Esh when they drive back up to Jerry Ford's airstrip. I am up for that! Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 I sent out an email to all of the IN, IL, and MI guys before we left. With no response to it, I presumed there was no interest in getting together. If Shirley and I end up in Elkhart, we will have to get together for sure. Besides, our time in Elkhart was quite busy; there wasn't much spare time for anything. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Meeting with Esh [was: Re: Fats driving]
most of my kid's band instruments seem to come from there On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:57:45 -0400 Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig and Shirley need to meet Esh when they drive back up to Jerry Ford's airstrip. I am up for that! Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 I sent out an email to all of the IN, IL, and MI guys before we left. With no response to it, I presumed there was no interest in getting together. If Shirley and I end up in Elkhart, we will have to get together for sure. Besides, our time in Elkhart was quite busy; there wasn't much spare time for anything. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240D ?
Craig wrote: I have the OM616 from our '82 240D, bolted to a manual transmission. Road trip, Dieselhead? I could visit family in the neighborhood and drive this puppy back to you for you to use. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Old sheep chaser
http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/100yearold-queensland-farm-car-could-fetch-1-million-20140326-35h6i.html Hendrik who did not have a Merc for farm work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Meeting with Esh [was: Re: Fats driving]
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:15 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: most of my kid's band instruments seem to come from there Yes. In being driven around town, my host pointed out several buildings where musical instruments are manufactured. Conn was one of them. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gooseberries fer andrew Wuz:Restrictions/fire hazards
Moderation for Andrew's foul language? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: March 26, 2014 3:19:11 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gooseberries fer andrew Wuz:Restrictions/fire hazards Aha. I planted jostaberries several years back in my DC garden, They fruited lightly but spread like crazy, and turned out to be ordinary gooseberries. WT#. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gooseberries fer andrew Wuz:Restrictions/fire hazards
If temptation beckons, dive right in, moderation is for monks R.A.H. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gooseberries fer andrew Wuz:Restrictions/fire hazards Moderation for Andrew's foul language? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: March 26, 2014 3:19:11 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gooseberries fer andrew Wuz:Restrictions/fire hazards Aha. I planted jostaberries several years back in my DC garden, They fruited lightly but spread like crazy, and turned out to be ordinary gooseberries. WT#. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
I can't say for sure but the forward speed under power is only about 35 mph. If there is a flat spot ahead you can glide it in for a rolling landing on the wheels. The airframe is pretty light so a vertical landing should be like sport parachuting with the airframe absorbing much of the impact. -Original Message- From: arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:45 AM ... If your engine quits, how hard do you hit the ground? ... Gerry On 3/25/2014 10:10 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: http://pt709.synology.me/DSCF0543.JPG http://pt709.synology.me/DSCF0545.JPG You can fly anything in our unrestricted rural area. Links to photos of motorized parachute above. The transport trailer is in the foreground of the first photo. The runway is just a closely-mowed strip in my neighbor's field across the road. Scott -Original Message- From: arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:33 PM ... The large deed restricted community where I live provides a field and a club for model flying, but they won't allow anything but battery operated models. ... Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240D ?
Dieselhead wrote: Anyone want to sell a good 81-83 OM616 engine? Or anyone want to buy an 83 240D in need of engine work? In OK. Hmm. I'm highly curious. The 240 I currently have on the road is running well but the body metal keeps getting thinner. Soon I'll need to do something... Price? Where in OK? How quickly does he want to get rid of it? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D Turbo won't start
G. wrote: My 1984 300D Turbo won't start, but there's a loud buzzing/groaning coming from the glow plug control relay box and the buzzing/groaning will stop if either of the two plugs to the glow plug control relay are unplugged. I'm assuming the problem is the glow plug control relay? Is there any way to repair these things, as a new replacement is rather pricey? TIA I would first test the glow plugs. Then make sure the big fuse is good. The controller is likely repairable - but you may have to be determined. Being familiar with electronic repair would be an advantage. Or put in a used one. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Goostepping fer andrew Wuz:Restrictions/fire hazards
Are you being serious? Far as I remember WTF has been used around here (and most other non swearing forums) for ever. The main purpose of the moderators/admins is to keep the peace and not clamp down on every little thing. Many a time a list member has inadvertently (and not) dropped a bad word around here. As long as it was a mistake and an apology was forthcoming we can be adults about it. Sure if the list wants to ban WTF and other such things then yeah but I won't be saying much, in case I say the wrong thing. Now if Andrew told someone to STFU, then yes a moderation/warning is in order. Hendrik who tries to cut down on the swearing On 27/03/14 11:55, Max Dillon wrote: Moderation for Andrew's foul language? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
