Re: [MBZ] who wants a wrecked CDI?
I wish I had a clear tittle. They're good to whittle. On Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:48 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: Priced at ten Klebs: http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/4372227621.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside attention. My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider. The hoops and machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying. The patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for payment at the higher fee. Insurance company got your cash, and fights hard to not pay for service. SiL moved from the claims denial branch to the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally to keep people from accessing health care. Now she streamlines getting a major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc. Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have today On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every physician has to be wealthy. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull? A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes. ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
i get back to the example of every elderly headache in assisted living costs $200k. most people just go into the system when told to. very few are like me and gordon who will tell them to stfu about any ambulance and leave us alone On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: If people take car of themselves like most take care of their cars... --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Yes, we need to get the insurance companies out of the middle between the patient and the doctor. Health insurance should be like car insurance, reduces the risk that serious illness/injury will bankrupt you, not pay for every single prescription and doctor visit. Car insurance doesn't pay for maintenance items, health insurance should be same... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC From: clay redgh...@comcast.net Sent: March 30, 2014 5:05:50 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT) Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
That's here in Florida. Tampa General, a hospital here in Tampa, is one of the worst offenders. The local media has been on their case and the fee has been lowered, but the whole idea behind it is ridiculous. As one hospital saw another raising the fee, they just kept piling on. You could literally go to the hospital for a minor issue, and if you were unlucky enough to be seen by their trauma unit, be charged this flat fee despite your actual costs being a few hundred dollars. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside attention. My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider. The hoops and machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying. The patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for payment at the higher fee. Insurance company got your cash, and fights hard to not pay for service. SiL moved from the claims denial branch to the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally to keep people from accessing health care. Now she streamlines getting a major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc. Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have today On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every physician has to be wealthy. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull? A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes. ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
Re: [MBZ] who wants a wrecked CDI?
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 23:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: Priced at ten Klebs: http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/4372227621.html It's a 2005. I recall Jaime saying to stay away from the early ones, but don't recall which year he said was the first to consider. It would have helped if the seller used a snow brush and removed the snow from the hood and front end ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Stuff that blows up (sometimes)
Very cool, thanks! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Sent: March 30, 2014 9:12:10 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Stuff that blows up (sometimes) On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:44:54 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://space.io9.com/the-insane-history-of-rockets-at-jpl-1554125227/1554543456/+robertsorokanich I recall the story of the guys at the rocket lab at Purdue attaching a 2000 psi water line (used to cool the rocket bucket during test firings) to the toilet when a certain individual needed to answer the call... http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf A discription of the development of liquid rocket fuels ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. I've never seen so many folks in a trauma room ( curtain/cube ) in my life. There had to be 10 folks in there, and they were all doing something. That's $100 each imo, well worth the investment (c: On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:45 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside attention. My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider. The hoops and machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying. The patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for payment at the higher fee. Insurance company got your cash, and fights hard to not pay for service. SiL moved from the claims denial branch to the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally to keep people from accessing health care. Now she streamlines getting a major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc. Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have today On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every physician has to be wealthy. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull? A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes. ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
My understanding is that a surprisingly large percentage of doctors feel the same: when treatment will only delay death, they take the short route (which is also much cheaper). Quality of life is usually much higher too. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Sent: March 30, 2014 8:05:49 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT) i get back to the example of every elderly headache in assisted living costs $200k. most people just go into the system when told to. very few are like me and gordon who will tell them to stfu about any ambulance and leave us alone On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: If people take car of themselves like most take care of their cars... --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Yes, we need to get the insurance companies out of the middle between the patient and the doctor. Health insurance should be like car insurance, reduces the risk that serious illness/injury will bankrupt you, not pay for every single prescription and doctor visit. Car insurance doesn't pay for maintenance items, health insurance should be same... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC From: clay redgh...@comcast.net Sent: March 30, 2014 5:05:50 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT) Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
This is an incredible piece of flying!Enjoy -- Sincerely, LarryT *Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -* Please read this text before watching the video; F-35 unintentional loop at takeoff on a carrier. This guy clearly has brass, and you know the sailors on the flight deck had a cow when they saw this unfold in front of them. Intentional? Hardly! This is unbelievable! F-35 unintentional loop at takeoff. A real check your laundry event. A supremely well-trained US Navy pilot, ice running in his veins instead of blood, fully regains control of his $70 million, F-35 joint strike force fighter, after a problematic vertical take-off attempt... Watch as the rear vertical thruster fires to cause the problem. There's nothing about this the pilot enjoys. Looks like the afterburner kicks in while still vectored for vertical takeoff. Lockheed would call this a software malfunction and do a little more regressive testing. This is a good demonstration of power-to-weight ratio of this aircraft! And talk about stability control... wow! If he didn't come out of the loop wings-level, it probably would have been bad news; maybe taking some of the carrier with him! Add to this flying through your own exhaust, which can lead to equipment malfunctions, as in flame out. The F-35 is single engine aircraft with vertical takeoff/landing capability, but it has the aerodynamics of a Steinway piano at zero airspeed. This is the most unbelievable piece of flying you will ever see in your life. This guy's coolness saved a 70 million-dollar aircraft! On the other hand, he might not have had time to react to anything except just ride it. I bet you'll watch it at least 2 times! F-35 Take Off https://www.facebook.com/n/?photo.phpv=10150113735642761aref=239476165medium=emailmid=944n_m=ostis1%40wowway.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Another name for it is co-op. You buy a share, enjoy the benefits of membership. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Sent: March 30, 2014 9:20:31 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT) What is healthcare? It sounds like most of the dialog is about insco? Clay - tell us more about this concierge medical, please. Is there an association of concierge medical to find local doc in other parts of the country? Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:58:10 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: This is an incredible piece of flying!Enjoy -- I bet you'll watch it at least 2 times! F-35 Take Off https://www.facebook.com/n/?photo.phpv=10150113735642761aref=239476165medium=emailmid=944n_m=ostis1%40wowway.com We don't do Facebook here. Is it available anywhere else? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:58:10 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: This is an incredible piece of flying!Enjoy -- I bet you'll watch it at least 2 times! F-35 Take Off https://www.facebook.com/n/?photo.phpv=10150113735642761aref=239476165medium=emailmid=944n_m=ostis1%40wowway.com We don't do Facebook here. Is it available anywhere else? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
On 3/31/2014 12:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:58:10 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: This is an incredible piece of flying!Enjoy -- I bet you'll watch it at least 2 times! F-35 Take Off https://www.facebook.com/n/?photo.phpv=10150113735642761aref=239476165medium=emailmid=944n_m=ostis1%40wowway.com We don't do Facebook here. Is it available anywhere else? Craig Yep. http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/f35.asp Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Having run traumas, in the past, as a surgical resident, I can say that there is an extraordinary effort made by many, many individuals, starting from the paramedics, to the ER docs, triage nurses, ER nurses, surgical team of attendings, multiple surgical residents, multiple medical students, radiology attendings and residents, and technicians, CAT scanners, MRI, X-rays, blood work, consults from other departments in the hospital, a slew of meds and supplies. It is a Major undertaking for the hospital. That said, 35K is a very scary amount!! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside attention. My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider. The hoops and machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying. The patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for payment at the higher fee. Insurance company got your cash, and fights hard to not pay for service. SiL moved from the claims denial branch to the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally to keep people from accessing health care. Now she streamlines getting a major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc. Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have today On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every physician has to be wealthy. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull? A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes. ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Dimitri would make a great human doctor. He is already a top rated car doctor with a doctorate in welding from DSU. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:05 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Having run traumas, in the past, as a surgical resident, I can say that there is an extraordinary effort made by many, many individuals, starting from the paramedics, to the ER docs, triage nurses, ER nurses, surgical team of attendings, multiple surgical residents, multiple medical students, radiology attendings and residents, and technicians, CAT scanners, MRI, X-rays, blood work, consults from other departments in the hospital, a slew of meds and supplies. It is a Major undertaking for the hospital. That said, 35K is a very scary amount!! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside attention. My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider. The hoops and machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying. The patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for payment at the higher fee. Insurance company got your cash, and fights hard to not pay for service. SiL moved from the claims denial branch to the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally to keep people from accessing health care. Now she streamlines getting a major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc. Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have today On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every physician has to be wealthy. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull? A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes. ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Here is a link to the article. I have no problem paying for care, but this is nothing but our profiteering IMHO. http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/florida-trauma-centers-charge-outrageous-fees-the-moment-you-come-through/2169148 Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. I've never seen so many folks in a trauma room ( curtain/cube ) in my life. There had to be 10 folks in there, and they were all doing something. That's $100 each imo, well worth the investment (c: On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:45 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facebook - was: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
Craig wrote: We don't do Facebook here. Kaleb wrote: You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Nope. Not everyone. Some people have principles. *smiles* --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Agreed. He shouldn't have left medicine, but for whatever reason, he's not talking; unless I missed it. Gerry On 3/31/2014 1:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Dimitri would make a great human doctor. He is already a top rated car doctor with a doctorate in welding from DSU. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:05 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Having run traumas, in the past, as a surgical resident, I can say that there is an extraordinary effort made by many, many individuals, starting from the paramedics, to the ER docs, triage nurses, ER nurses, surgical team of attendings, multiple surgical residents, multiple medical students, radiology attendings and residents, and technicians, CAT scanners, MRI, X-rays, blood work, consults from other departments in the hospital, a slew of meds and supplies. It is a Major undertaking for the hospital. That said, 35K is a very scary amount!! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside attention. My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider. The hoops and machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying. The patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for payment at the higher fee. Insurance company got your cash, and fights hard to not pay for service. SiL moved from the claims denial branch to the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally to keep people from accessing health care. Now she streamlines getting a major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc. Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have today On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every physician has to be wealthy. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull? A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes. ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The
Re: [MBZ] Facebook - was: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
Oh wow, well there are people on there selling 123s for $1-200, I guess I will buy them all Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: We don't do Facebook here. Kaleb wrote: You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Nope. Not everyone. Some people have principles. *smiles* --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facebook - was: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:40:05 -0500 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: We don't do Facebook here. Kaleb wrote: You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Nope. Not everyone. Some people have principles. *smiles* Having not see Kaleb's reply, I'll have to respond to Philip's reply to him. Grant's comments summarize it well, -- While as a business owner for most of my life I can appreciate the exposure given by a listing on Facebook, my personal objection is this: In order to even see your listings on Facebook, I am required to JOIN facebook. Immediately upon joining facebook my entire contact with the internet is suddenly overwhelmed with popups and trash generated by my contact with facebook. Something I very much do not desire. Suddenly, I have emails from companies and people who I have no desire to have contact with ONLY by virtue of having ONCE made contact with, and joined facebook. It then takes nothing short of overwhelming effort to remove yourself from all those contact points that have been generated without your agreement. It is, in my considered opinion, the social and electronic equal to deliberately giving yourself herpes. -- And, interestingly, a comment on the Forbes blog does as well, -- It's very rare to find somebody who is both active and authentic, it seems like the primary impetus for people posting on Facebook is to make others envious or to just facilitate a user's own sense of grandeur. -- Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
I decided to purchase a Sears battery charger/maintainer for $25. The directions are a little daunting since I know so little about my vehicle's electrical systems. For example, the owners manual for the charger states: For a negative-grounded vehicle, connect the POSITIVE (RED) clip from the battery charger to the POSITIVE (POS, P, +) ungrounded post of the battery. Connect the NEGATIVE (BLACK) clip to the vehicle chassis or engine block away from the battery. Connect to a heavy gauge metal part of the frame or engine block. For a positive-grounded vehicle, connect the NEGATIVE (BLACK) clip from the battery charger to the NEGATIVE (NEG, N, -) ungrounded post of the battery. Connect the POSITIVE (RED) clip to the vehicle chassis or engine block away from the battery. Do. Connect to a heavy gauge metal part of the frame or engine block. I presume eveyrbody on this list (except me) knows whether his vehicle has a positive or negative ground. My question is - how am I supposed to know this? I have never owned a battery charger and when jumpstarting a car on my own have always connected all four battery terminals to one another via the jumper cables (carefully, of course). Nerver had a serious accident although sparks have been known to fly... Thanks in advance, Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD Both well grounded, but not clear which way. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I presume eveyrbody on this list (except me) knows whether his vehicle has a positive or negative ground. My question is - how am I supposed to know this? I have never owned a battery charger and when jumpstarting a car on I think you would know if your car had a positive chassis. For you, unless it's an antique, it's negative. my own have always connected all four battery terminals to one another via the jumper cables (carefully, of course). Nerver had a serious accident although sparks have been known to fly... I believe the reasoning is that you might spark hydrogen gas if you are connecting to both terminals, regardless of care. If you are connecting well away from the battery then the risk is relatively smaller. Practically it works both ways, so long as the chassis connection to the battery is good - which, if the car normally runs, it most likely is. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
It is a negative ground. I just clip both to the battery posts (red + , black -) or you can do the thing with the black clamp to something bare metal, which is to minimize sparking when attaching/detaching the clamps, which could ignite the gases that come out the battery when charging (hydrogen and maybe some sulfurous stuff). But you can live dangerously! --R On 3/31/14 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I decided to purchase a Sears battery charger/maintainer for $25. The directions are a little daunting since I know so little about my vehicle's electrical systems. For example, the owners manual for the charger states: For a negative-grounded vehicle, connect the POSITIVE (RED) clip from the battery charger to the POSITIVE (POS, P, +) ungrounded post of the battery. Connect the NEGATIVE (BLACK) clip to the vehicle chassis or engine block away from the battery. Connect to a heavy gauge metal part of the frame or engine block. For a positive-grounded vehicle, connect the NEGATIVE (BLACK) clip from the battery charger to the NEGATIVE (NEG, N, -) ungrounded post of the battery. Connect the POSITIVE (RED) clip to the vehicle chassis or engine block away from the battery. Do. Connect to a heavy gauge metal part of the frame or engine block. I presume eveyrbody on this list (except me) knows whether his vehicle has a positive or negative ground. My question is - how am I supposed to know this? I have never owned a battery charger and when jumpstarting a car on my own have always connected all four battery terminals to one another via the jumper cables (carefully, of course). Nerver had a serious accident although sparks have been known to fly... Thanks in advance, Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD Both well grounded, but not clear which way. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:53:27 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I presume eveyrbody on this list (except me) knows whether his vehicle has a positive or negative ground. My question is - how am I supposed to know this? I'm not sure how you are supposed to know it unless you learn it. You can learn it by opening the hood and looking at the battery cables. One of them connects to the chassis, the other to the starter. The polarity of the terminal of the battery to which the cable that also goes to the chassis determines whether the car is positive or negative ground. So, go outside, open the hood, and look at your car. Then come back and tell us what you see. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
My 1983 300TD is antique, as clssified by the state of Maryland DMV. I presume you mean antique as in REALLY old, e.g., 1940 or older. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I presume eveyrbody on this list (except me) knows whether his vehicle has a positive or negative ground. My question is - how am I supposed to know this? I have never owned a battery charger and when jumpstarting a car on I think you would know if your car had a positive chassis. For you, unless it's an antique, it's negative. my own have always connected all four battery terminals to one another via the jumper cables (carefully, of course). Nerver had a serious accident although sparks have been known to fly... I believe the reasoning is that you might spark hydrogen gas if you are connecting to both terminals, regardless of care. If you are connecting well away from the battery then the risk is relatively smaller. Practically it works both ways, so long as the chassis connection to the battery is good - which, if the car normally runs, it most likely is. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
Very clear - thanks. I learned something today! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:53:27 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I presume eveyrbody on this list (except me) knows whether his vehicle has a positive or negative ground. My question is - how am I supposed to know this? I'm not sure how you are supposed to know it unless you learn it. You can learn it by opening the hood and looking at the battery cables. One of them connects to the chassis, the other to the starter. The polarity of the terminal of the battery to which the cable that also goes to the chassis determines whether the car is positive or negative ground. So, go outside, open the hood, and look at your car. Then come back and tell us what you see. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
Just hook it up as you would jumper cables. Our cars are negative ground. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I decided to purchase a Sears battery charger/maintainer for $25. The directions are a little daunting since I know so little about my vehicle's electrical systems. For example, the owners manual for the charger states: For a negative-grounded vehicle, connect the POSITIVE (RED) clip from the battery charger to the POSITIVE (POS, P, +) ungrounded post of the battery. Connect the NEGATIVE (BLACK) clip to the vehicle chassis or engine block away from the battery. Connect to a heavy gauge metal part of the frame or engine block. For a positive-grounded vehicle, connect the NEGATIVE (BLACK) clip from the battery charger to the NEGATIVE (NEG, N, -) ungrounded post of the battery. Connect the POSITIVE (RED) clip to the vehicle chassis or engine block away from the battery. Do. Connect to a heavy gauge metal part of the frame or engine block. I presume eveyrbody on this list (except me) knows whether his vehicle has a positive or negative ground. My question is - how am I supposed to know this? I have never owned a battery charger and when jumpstarting a car on my own have always connected all four battery terminals to one another via the jumper cables (carefully, of course). Nerver had a serious accident although sparks have been known to fly... Thanks in advance, Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD Both well grounded, but not clear which way. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:21:16 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Very clear - thanks. I learned something today! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So, go outside, open the hood, and look at your car. Then come back and tell us what you see. You're welcome. Did you go out and look at your own car? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
I will - really! We had a freakish blizzard yesterday afternoon, following a day of harwd, cold cold rain. It progressed to hard sleet (more like hail), which then further degerated into a blinding snowstorm. It pleted down so hard that the snow stuck on the grass, despite air temps of 36 degrees. Today it is sunny, fortunately, so the garage may be warm enough to take a look at my engine bay and tne hook up the charger connection correctly. It would appear that I will need 7 - 8 hours to recharge my battery, unless it is completely dead again, in which case the charger will not work at all, accoring to the manual. Andrew On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:21:16 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Very clear - thanks. I learned something today! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So, go outside, open the hood, and look at your car. Then come back and tell us what you see. You're welcome. Did you go out and look at your own car? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
You should have bought one that has the low (like 2A) and fast (like 10A) and start options (start doesn't really work on diesels unless you have a bit of charge left). Those are like $50, you can charge up the battery in a coupla hours unless it is really flat then that might take overnight. --R On 3/31/14 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I will - really! We had a freakish blizzard yesterday afternoon, following a day of harwd, cold cold rain. It progressed to hard sleet (more like hail), which then further degerated into a blinding snowstorm. It pleted down so hard that the snow stuck on the grass, despite air temps of 36 degrees. Today it is sunny, fortunately, so the garage may be warm enough to take a look at my engine bay and tne hook up the charger connection correctly. It would appear that I will need 7 - 8 hours to recharge my battery, unless it is completely dead again, in which case the charger will not work at all, accoring to the manual. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
On 31/03/2014 3:01 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You should have bought one that has the low (like 2A) and fast (like 10A) and start options (start doesn't really work on diesels unless you have a bit of charge left). Those are like $50, you can charge up the battery in a coupla hours unless it is really flat then that might take overnight. --R I think he did get one with most of that as he referred to it as a charger and tender. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
Craig, is the nuclear bombs and missiles you build positive or negative ground? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:21:16 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Very clear - thanks. I learned something today! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So, go outside, open the hood, and look at your car. Then come back and tell us what you see. You're welcome. Did you go out and look at your own car? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
Sometimes they're positive; sometimes they're negative depending on whether you're the bombER or the bomEE. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD Craig, is the nuclear bombs and missiles you build positive or negative ground? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:21:16 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Very clear - thanks. I learned something today! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So, go outside, open the hood, and look at your car. Then come back and tell us what you see. You're welcome. Did you go out and look at your own car? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
They have significant negative effects on the ground, though some might argue the effects would be positive on some grounds. --R On 3/31/14 4:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Craig, is the nuclear bombs and missiles you build positive or negative ground? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:21:16 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Very clear - thanks. I learned something today! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So, go outside, open the hood, and look at your car. Then come back and tell us what you see. You're welcome. Did you go out and look at your own car? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:00:20 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Sometimes they're positive; sometimes they're negative depending on whether you're the bombER or the bomEE. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD Craig, is the nuclear bombs and missiles you build positive or negative ground? Now this is odd: Two emails from Kaleb and I haven't seen them, only replies to them. Electronics nowadays can have both positive and negative voltages, so saying whether they are positive or negative ground doesn't make much sense. Your computer, for example uses both positive and negative voltages. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
more money grab in the last days of a broken society on its deathbed On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That's here in Florida. Tampa General, a hospital here in Tampa, is one of the worst offenders. The local media has been on their case and the fee has been lowered, but the whole idea behind it is ridiculous. As one hospital saw another raising the fee, they just kept piling on. You could literally go to the hospital for a minor issue, and if you were unlucky enough to be seen by their trauma unit, be charged this flat fee despite your actual costs being a few hundred dollars. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside attention. My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider. The hoops and machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying. The patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for payment at the higher fee. Insurance company got your cash, and fights hard to not pay for service. SiL moved from the claims denial branch to the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally to keep people from accessing health care. Now she streamlines getting a major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc. Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have today On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every physician has to be wealthy. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull? A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes. ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:11:59 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: They have significant negative effects on the ground, though some might argue the effects would be positive on some grounds. Good one! Craig On 3/31/14 4:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Craig, is the nuclear bombs and missiles you build positive or negative ground? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
Nope - lot's of us don't . We don't do iPhones either --- On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Sent from my iPhone -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
Don't you just love the sensationalist Internet? The not-quite-real quality of the graphics, the paucity of crewmen on the flight deck, and (especially) the health/ammunition status indicator in the bottom right-hand corner of the screen give this clip away as a sequence from a video game, in this case *Battlefield 2*http://www.ea.com/games/battlefield-2-special-forces . Read more at http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/f35.asp#01Iy1KtTe3SQ5MK5.99 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:04 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 3/31/2014 12:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:58:10 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: This is an incredible piece of flying!Enjoy -- I bet you'll watch it at least 2 times! F-35 Take Off https://www.facebook.com/n/?photo.phpv=10150113735642761; aref=239476165medium=emailmid=944n_m=ostis1%40wowway.com We don't do Facebook here. Is it available anywhere else? Craig Yep. http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/f35.asp Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Since my Dad was in assisted living for a year (Alzheimer's), and I managed the whole thing, I can call BS on this one. Not even close. I don't know where these lies come from. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i get back to the example of every elderly headache in assisted living costs $200k. most people just go into the system when told to. very few are like me and gordon who will tell them to stfu about any ambulance and leave us alone -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Nope - lot's of us don't . We don't do iPhones either --- Too many dumb people with smart phones. I prefer Smart people with dumb phones! You can quote me on that! It is mine! Dieselhead No smart phone, but I carry a simple (dumb) phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Same with my Mom. She only got external care when she requested it, and even then we had to provide it - the center had nothing to do with it. Dan On Mar 31, 2014, at 5:42 PM, OK Don wrote: Since my Dad was in assisted living for a year (Alzheimer's), and I managed the whole thing, I can call BS on this one. Not even close. I don't know where these lies come from. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i get back to the example of every elderly headache in assisted living costs $200k. most people just go into the system when told to. very few are like me and gordon who will tell them to stfu about any ambulance and leave us alone -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
In my experience, this is also true of nurses and terminal care providers. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 11:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT) My understanding is that a surprisingly large percentage of doctors feel the same: when treatment will only delay death, they take the short route (which is also much cheaper). Quality of life is usually much higher too. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Richard Hattaway wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. Total bill, or total co-pay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/f35.asp Gerry Thanks, Gerry. Clearly not an actual video when I look at the youtube linked on Snopes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=6MHwm0mXqls Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
how am I supposed to know this? [positive vs negative ground] You look, or use a meter. The last positive ground vehicle I can think of is, I _think_, a VW beetle. Old one, 6V. It's just a convention, and there's little technical reason to have it one way vs the other. (Possibly some corrosion differences, which is why telegraph and teletype have the voltage conventions they do.) But like matter and antimatter, whether mere convention or not, the difference is _important_! Don't cross the streams. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Not I. Never, from what I've seen of it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?
I picked up the putative body transplant car yesterday. The bottom (floors, etc.) is pretty rusty. Also, no key, and the wheels were turned, so moving it around was a bit awkward. We put it on with a front loader, but I got it off the trailer by chaining the car to a tree and yanking the trailer out from under it. Whee! I'm thinking of it more as parts at this point in time. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facebook - was: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
-- Philip wrote: Nope. Not everyone. Some people have principles. *smiles* Fookbace is not for me. Buy all the W123 you can at those prices. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Gary wrote: ...very few are like me and gordon who will tell them to stfu about any ambulance and leave us alone Yep. I guess we understand planned obsolescence. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Dan wrote: As one hospital saw another raising the fee, they just kept piling on. They never expect the individual to pay that, I would guess. Who can afford that type of bill? Nobody, I suspect. But... I am not in the well healed upper crust. I don't know what healthcare means. It sounds like insco to me. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Max wrote: Another name for it is co-op. You buy a share, enjoy the benefits of membership. Sounds interesting. But not interesting enough to afford membership. I don't like membership stuff. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Gary wrote: more money grab in the last days of a broken society on its deathbed +1 Does anyone else see things this way? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
Craig wrote: We don't do Facebook here. We don't do FookBace here either. But, this video is open to the public to view. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
Kaleb wrote: You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Not me. Why? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...
I watched this video today. It is about Common Core - the new education curriculum being pushed. Among us mostly old guys, I suspect there are very few of us with kids in school, so it really is off-topic, except that it seems sad. It really is beyond my interest but it seems sad if interesting. Perhaps Dan or other professionals in education can defeat some of what is being said by this video that is decidedly negative against Common Core. Is it really as bad as it sounds? www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxBClx01jc mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] You know you want these
Wilton will go buy a Costco membership just for this http://www.costco.com/.product.11525150.html?EMID=B2C_2014_0331_April_OnlineOnlyOffers --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
Well, it couldn't be more obvious: the negative terminal is indeed bold=ted onto the frame. I actually did look. Battery has been charging since about 6:30 PM. Will let it continue overnight. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: how am I supposed to know this? [positive vs negative ground] You look, or use a meter. The last positive ground vehicle I can think of is, I _think_, a VW beetle. Old one, 6V. It's just a convention, and there's little technical reason to have it one way vs the other. (Possibly some corrosion differences, which is why telegraph and teletype have the voltage conventions they do.) But like matter and antimatter, whether mere convention or not, the difference is _important_! Don't cross the streams. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger question - W123 300TD
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 23:08:58 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it couldn't be more obvious: the negative terminal is indeed bold=ted onto the frame. I actually did look. Battery has been charging since about 6:30 PM. Will let it continue overnight. CONGRATULATIONS!!! That wasn't too hard, but don't you feel good about learning it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] You know you want these
Oh, yeah, um-hmm. I s'pose my vehicle shall remain stale - not freshened up. Pauvre moi. 'Can't understand why so many people continue to pay good money for such crap. (Uh - oh; now I probably have a bannin' acomein'. See what ya've done to me, Rich?) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 10:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] You know you want these Wilton will go buy a Costco membership just for this http://www.costco.com/.product.11525150.html?EMID=B2C_2014_0331_April_OnlineOnlyOffers --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
The group is independent of insurance programs, retains privileges at hospitals, and has a set annual fee based on age. Much less expensive to be a young buck, since you do not bother showing up for more than flu shots, and your physical. Old farts pay more, since you are more likely to have wear related issues. Really aged people pay top dollar, but still under $5k per annum. If I suffer some manner of illness or injury, I call and can get in that day, within hours, for treatment. There is no co pay, no forms, no screwing around. They perform standard lab testing on site, simple radiographic diagnostics, and keep a swift response on call medico who will resolve your issue then, instead of making you chat up a nurse or call center, then wait for hours to get taken care of. This is the old fashioned doctor program. Make a google search for your location to see a list of providers. clay On Mar 30, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Mountain Man wrote: What is healthcare? It sounds like most of the dialog is about insco? Clay - tell us more about this concierge medical, please. Is there an association of concierge medical to find local doc in other parts of the country? Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 115 headliner, jabba the hurst
I have front check straps in good condition, if you are not put off by used parts clay On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So this 115 I am starting on, has the head liner coming down in the rear corner of the rear windshield. Anybody messed with that? Does it require replacement of the headliner to fix? I assume rear window has to come out? I think I need a seal back there anyway. May need a front one also. Jabba, what about prices on front and rear windshield seals, headliner, and front door check strap? Can you get seat pads anymore for these? If not, what is a source for replacement seat covers, pads etc? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
I did not read that to be a general program, but am aware of private trauma centers that operate in that manner. No waiting for administrators to shuffle papers around while you are waiting for the wetbacks and poor to hack loogies on the floor or barf on your feet. Guaranteed access to swift treatment can be worth the payment. Not to me. I expect to drop dead long before the death wagon comes to drag my carcass to the hospital. clay On Mar 30, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: did you read the thing where a trauma center charges you $35k for just becoming a patient.? in other words, if you sign into their system, the meter starts at a base of 35 grand. if the ambulance brings you there and the doctor says hey, you look ok. and you say yeah, i sure feel ok. i think i'll go home now, you now owe them at least 35 grand. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Time ran a major expose on the medical rip offs perpetuated by hospitals and insurance companies. The cost to provide is not really that high. The game is already agreed upon between insurance and hospitals so that nobody is getting poor on their side. The hospitals have a Charge Book that has prices pulled out of the air or a bodily orifice. Exorbitant price so they can charge the uninsured, or to allow them to write it down. No two hospitals charge the same, but the book price is exponentially more than the actual true cost. On the level of air force toilet seats or hammers. Aspirin at $10 a pill. Hospital stays generate fairie tale bills, in no way based on reality of costs. Insurance companies agree to pay a multiple of the actual cost to provide, and then figure out how to weasel out of paying it unless the consumer raises a snit large enough to garner outside attention. My SiL works for a major medical insurance provider. The hoops and machinations required to get the service you paid for are terrifying. The patient is getting buggered and the hospital is going to come after you for payment at the higher fee. Insurance company got your cash, and fights hard to not pay for service. SiL moved from the claims denial branch to the vacuuming cash out of a large employer section, as it hurt her morally to keep people from accessing health care. Now she streamlines getting a major aerospace company's cash to service workers health needs. On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:46 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The obscenely expensive healthcare system is not due to doctors wages but due to expensive hospital stays, incredibly expensive medications, hospitals having to foot the bill for uninsured patients visiting the ER and then admitted for months on end at times, etc,etc. Your average internist earns around $150K per year. I don't see that as being overpayed considering the extreme sacrifices made to get there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that every physician now demands to live in opulence beyond elvis and this can only be done honestly in a relatively small number of instances, hence the obscenely expensive healthcare system we have today On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually a good thing isn't it? Where is it written that every physician has to be wealthy. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Q: What´s the difference between an Obamacare HMO physician and a seagull? A: A seagull can still make a significant deposit on a Mercedes. ba-da-boom, I'll be here all week... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Unintentional Loop at Takeoff on a Carrier- - -
Not everybody. I have no need for yet another service tracking me clay On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You don't do Facebook? Wow, I thought everyone did Facebook these days. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:58:10 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: This is an incredible piece of flying!Enjoy -- I bet you'll watch it at least 2 times! F-35 Take Off https://www.facebook.com/n/?photo.phpv=10150113735642761aref=239476165medium=emailmid=944n_m=ostis1%40wowway.com We don't do Facebook here. Is it available anywhere else? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] weekend projects
Finally had the first decent weekend weather in 6 months. (so much for global warming. The new ice age is here!) Took off the passenger door handle and got it to work, put it back. It was missing the screw at the back, so I found a 6 mm Phillips head screw in the bolt bin, and now the door can be opened from the outside, as designed. It was broken when I got the heap. Then I tackled the rear window that would not stay up. Took the panel off, and wound down the regulator. the arm had grinder marks where the riveted pin had been ground off. not a good sign. found the window had a pretty new nylon slide, and the pin was in it. Pushed the rivet in the hole, and it popped right out. Hmmm Seems like a job for the welder, but I had already put it away. It was at the opposite end of the estate, so I didn't want to drag it all they way out front. H How about the air hammer, and some riveting action? First I had to grind the pointy tool pointy again after its recent usage. That done, I tried riveting the center to expand the pin. two problems: 1. the pin pushed into the nylon block, and didn't stay out. 2. the air hammer chisel bounced off the end of the pin. I tried a different tactic. riveting the side of the pin next to the regulator arm. that worked well. Did that at 2 places 90º apart, and it seemed to stay put. Success! Put it back together again. Earlier I took the one fender off the coleman trailer and welded washers into where the lower bolt holes used to be. I took the other fender that had fallen off on I20 in Jackson, MS at night, and welded washers in where all 4 bolt holes used to be. scraped and painted the fenders and then put them on the trailer. Also soldered on a new plug on the trailer wiring. All in all, a catheyesque weekend. total expenditure, a couple feet of FC wire, and a couple bucks worth of bolts, and a half cheap rattle can of spray paint. That and turning the compost bins, and raking and hauling leaves to the compost bin filled up the weekend, Sun night, grilled a couple of excellent sirloin steaks ($3.99/lb on sale) I thought the double compost bin with each side holding 220 cubic feet was way overkill, but in the fall both sides were filled, and it took quite a bit of stomping to get all the spring leaves in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...
I believe there are some problems with Common Core, but they are, so far as I can tell, mostly lack of clarity and lack of teaching materials. Hard to produce a set of textbooks following the curriculum in a matter of months. Indiana just ditched Common Core, but that is all about I cannot fathom the notion that there would be very much difference between that and any other standard curriculum unless there are some really bad ones out there -- after all, humans have been recording how to teach children for around 3000 years now. Can't be THAT much new under the sun. Most of the criticism of Common Core is that it's NIH (not invented here) and hence, since it's a Federal Standard, must be spawn of the devil and proponents must be burned at the stake as heretics with much howling and gnashing of teeth. The notion that local standards are better than a national one is a crock of excrement. I seriously doubt some flyspeck down at the end of a dirt road is gonna come up with something better. It's all about cranking up the radical right religious base, not education. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 115 headliner, jabba the hurst
Window and gasket have to come out, the headliner is glued to the flange on the inside. Big PITA, but doable (we replaced the one in my brother's car some years back). Probably needs a new headliner, usually the reason the come out is that they are shrinking and hard, so you can't stretch it back up to re-glue it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] weekend projects
Pushed the rivet in the hole, and it popped right out. Anvil, cold chisel, BFH. I used the point of the tipped-back anvil in the slider, and whacked the chisel into the button with the BFH to embed a cross in the button, spreading out the metal. Still there! (Had to remove regulator from door to do all this, and enlist a second set of hands.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] weekend projects
All I did was wade around in the mud in the vineyard and decide I'd put up wire and steel posts next weekend, hoping it will be drier (probably not, it's gonna rain again). Did manage to get belts on both W124 chassis cars, the one on the diesel was squealing something awful. Fixed the knock on the TE, belt was pretty bad there too. The TE didn't start this morning and the radio wasn't working. Dead battery, but the alternator is putting out 13.5 V -- a bit low, but still OK. Put a new regulator in it this winter, put a new battery in three years ago, so my nephew is going to take the battery back to the place I got is and have it checked along with the charging system. Might be time for a new alternator. Gonna pick up bees next weekend, need the car to run well! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Say it ain't so...
I watched this video today. It is about Common Core - the new education curriculum being pushed. Among us mostly old guys, I suspect there are very few of us with kids in school, so it really is off-topic, except that it seems sad. It really is beyond my interest but it seems sad if interesting. Perhaps Dan or other professionals in education can defeat some of what is being said by this video that is decidedly negative against Common Core. Is it really as bad as it sounds? www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxBClx01jc mao It is worse that what is said. total horse hockey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] weekend projects
I finally got my antenna up, wire strung from the hangar roof (ground plane for the vertical antenna) to the house (200ft.) and got the radio on the air after almost three years. Found a contest under way and managed to score 23 countries representing most continents except Africa and Antarctica in four hours. Not bad for a rusty old ham and obsolete (15 yrs old) equipment. Can't forget that I also shot touch-and-goes on our 2500 ft. grass runway. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: -- OK Don, KD5NRO NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
