[MBZ] Up and at 'em!
Burnin' daylight! Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Up and at 'em!
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:40:16 -0500 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Burnin' daylight! I'm up, already! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Up and at 'em!
Been up all night.. is the party over already? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:40 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Burnin' daylight! Wilt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Transmission additive
I have told this story before, but here goes. A friend had a Pontiac 6000 that had a slipping transmission. He poured in a pint of brake fluid and that essentially fixed it for about another 2 years. Dave drove that car hard and it was not worth putting a transmission in so he had nothing much to lose. The brake fluid swells the seals. RB On 22/11/2014 12:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: Went to Walmart yesterday to pick up some oil. Walking around I saw Zmax transmission treatment. Since my transmission has been reluctant to downshift into first when it is hot out, (not a problem right now any more), I got a little 6 Oz. bottle and put it in when I got to the parking lot. Figure it couldn't hurt too much. Lo and behold after about 5 miles or so of in town driving I notice that the transmission seems to be a bit quieter. Nah couldn't be, just subjective hope that the stuff did some good. By the time I got home 20 min. later, after a bit of fast driving I noticed that it did indeed seem to be quieter and also seemed to shift better up and down. Was it worth the $10? I'll let you know next summer when it gets hot. Manfred ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On 22/11/2014 12:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On November 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: At the new Okie acres rancho costa plenty were the nearest neighbor is a mile away, we are all electric with heat pump If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are: 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump. 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather. ___ Pellet stove for backup heat? Need a generator anyway but not nearly so big if one does not plan to run electric heat. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On 22/11/2014 12:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Well heck look at this http://m.harborfreight.com/16000-watts-max-15000-watts-rated-tractor-driven-pto-generator-65309.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided Not a bad price but not all that automatic. Can your family manage it if you are not home? I assume you don't have natural gas available where your new home is? If not then you need either diesel or propane power as gasoline is not the best option with today's gas. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On 22/11/2014 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Do NOT buy a PTO driven generator. I won’t go into details, suffice to say you would regret it. You need to do a load survey first, then decide whether or not you want to power the whole house or just critical loads. It’s more expensive to power the whole house, but installation is a lot cheaper. Typical suburban home would need a 20kW unit to power it 100%, and that’s assuming it’s got AC. You can PM me if you have questions. Dan What would be bad about a pto generator? Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel. Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it. Would not need a tractor. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool! On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would be bad about a pto generator? Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel. Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it. Would not need a tractor. RB -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Maybe it could be mounted in the trunk or something Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:41 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool! On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would be bad about a pto generator? Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel. Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it. Would not need a tractor. RB -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:41:01 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool! Indeed! A quick and dirty setup, but the multiple meshed gear sets will decrease efficiency. You'd be running the engine at a high RPM, gearing it down to the PTO's 540 RPM, going through the driveshaft, and then, in the generator assembly, gearing it back up to the generator's RPM. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
That is what my plan always was, but not the redneck version. I was going to build an enclosure for it. I built a frame with MB motor mounts for an OM621 engine 30+ years ago, but I never found an affordable generator, and never really needed it badly enough to complete the project. It made a stand for a spare engine. You could mount the generator in the back seat area. You might be able to leave the front seats in so you could take a nap too. (to be really Red Green about it) It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool! On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would be bad about a pto generator? Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel. Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it. Would not need a tractor. RB -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I always worry about keeping a supply of pellets. I don't think they store well and don't tolerate moisture at all. Thats why I'm a big fan of coal for backup heat. It stores essentially forever, in some parts of the country its super easy to get but it tends to be available everywhere anyway and in a pinch can burn wood or what have you. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators On 22/11/2014 12:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On November 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: At the new Okie acres rancho costa plenty were the nearest neighbor is a mile away, we are all electric with heat pump If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are: 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump. 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather. ___ Pellet stove for backup heat? Need a generator anyway but not nearly so big if one does not plan to run electric heat. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 190D injectors - success!
Had time today to get the injectors swapped into my '84 190D. A very easy job if you've got a 1 1/16 deep socket (thanks Fred!) a 14mm wrench, a little hook to grab the heat shields and a little patience. I'd put on McMaster Carr viton line for the injector returns and was able to pull it off and re-install without leaks although I had to replace one because the frontmost injector was clocked differently and the old line wouldn't fit. I should probably replace the line from the front most injector to the IP as well as its kind of short. Car started very easily after the install which surprised me. It idles better, smokes not at all after a small puff at startup and is noticably quicker off the line. The nozzles I had put in are Bozio and slightly larger than the originals which shouldn't make much difference but it was fun telling Angie that car should be a little bit quicker. :) I need to root around in my parts bin, one of the plastic injector line clips is missing, I'd bought some years ago, just need to find them. Something is still not quite right in the rear end, does replacing lower control arm bushings require alignment? I think I already know the answer but... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:08:13 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel. Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it. Would not need a tractor. Or, you could get a two-bearing generator and mount it to a frame like I did. The pictures show a generator set with a propane-fired Chevette engine, turning a large tractor flywheel in an I-beam box, and then a pulley arrangement to turn the generator. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: generator.01.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 172187 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141124/35efee53/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: generator.02.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 166675 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141124/35efee53/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: generator.03.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 173741 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141124/35efee53/attachment-0002.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: generator.04.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 157761 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141124/35efee53/attachment-0003.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: generator.05.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 153847 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141124/35efee53/attachment-0004.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Yes - use the passenger area for a 100 gal fuel tank, or two, or three. Since it's for emergency use, not daily power, the losses due to multiple gearings would not be a significant issue. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Maybe it could be mounted in the trunk or something Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:41 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Ok, ok, let me put the end to this PTO or drive it off a 240D ideas... Generators come in two configurations: Single bearing, where a flex disc is bolted to a flywheel and the front of the alternator (generator) is supported by the driving engine. The end of the alternator has a bearing in an end frame which supports the back end. This is what most in the business would call a direct coupled or conventional alternator. When you see an engine driven generator set, this is it. Two bearing generators are alternators that are built in a frame much like an electric motor, with end brackets using bearings to support each end. A shaft will project out of one end that can be coupled to a PTO or driven by a belt or pulley. In many cases there are gear reductions (big added cost and maintenance) on the ends of these when a PTO is used, as PTO speeds are well below the RPM necessary to produce 60 Hz (1800 rpm-4 pole, 3600 rpm-2 pole.) The killer is in the means of coupling. Sure, you can jury rig something, but most of the applications suggested would require a two bearing alternator. Problem is, they're not commonly manufactured above a certain size, because the prime movers are rarer and the costs are much higher due to the very low volume and expense of the ancillary items like gear reduction boxes. You would be more likely to be able to set up an arrangement with a single bearing generator and an engine because generator manufacturers use SAE standard flywheel couplings to design their alternators. That means you could probably find an SAE bell housing and flywheel to bolt up to an engine that would also bolt up to a standard alternator. The other factor that kicks in is the reduced engine output you would encounter at the speed (1800 rpm) the alternator would need to run at in order to produce power at the proper frequency. A 60 HP engine does not produce 60 HP at 1800 rpm. It might only produce 20 HP, which at best would yield about 15kW. Having been in the business I have heard (and seen) all sorts of cobbled up arrangements as described, none of which worked well or had any semblance of reliability. If I want a backup power system that is going to protect my family and property, I want something that will be reliable, automatic, well engineered and trouble free. I don't see Regina going out to the shop, coupling the alternator to the tractor PTO, starting the tractor and hooking up a bunch of wires or flipping breakers when she and the kids are home alone in the middle of a storm. Just my $0.02, folks. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That is what my plan always was, but not the redneck version. I was going to build an enclosure for it. I built a frame with MB motor mounts for an OM621 engine 30+ years ago, but I never found an affordable generator, and never really needed it badly enough to complete the project. It made a stand for a spare engine. You could mount the generator in the back seat area. You might be able to leave the front seats in so you could take a nap too. (to be really Red Green about it) It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool! On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would be bad about a pto generator? Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel. Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it. Would not need a tractor. RB -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has
Re: [MBZ] 190D injectors - success!
Are we going to have a rustQ for your 190? I think I owe you big as I can't get your car to overheat! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Had time today to get the injectors swapped into my '84 190D. A very easy job if you've got a 1 1/16 deep socket (thanks Fred!) a 14mm wrench, a little hook to grab the heat shields and a little patience. I'd put on McMaster Carr viton line for the injector returns and was able to pull it off and re-install without leaks although I had to replace one because the frontmost injector was clocked differently and the old line wouldn't fit. I should probably replace the line from the front most injector to the IP as well as its kind of short. Car started very easily after the install which surprised me. It idles better, smokes not at all after a small puff at startup and is noticably quicker off the line. The nozzles I had put in are Bozio and slightly larger than the originals which shouldn't make much difference but it was fun telling Angie that car should be a little bit quicker. :) I need to root around in my parts bin, one of the plastic injector line clips is missing, I'd bought some years ago, just need to find them. Something is still not quite right in the rear end, does replacing lower control arm bushings require alignment? I think I already know the answer but... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 190D injectors - success!
Glad to hear it! How much were the new nozzles? Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Nov 24, 2014 1:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Had time today to get the injectors swapped into my '84 190D. A very easy job if you've got a 1 1/16 deep socket (thanks Fred!) a 14mm wrench, a little hook to grab the heat shields and a little patience. I'd put on McMaster Carr viton line for the injector returns and was able to pull it off and re-install without leaks although I had to replace one because the frontmost injector was clocked differently and the old line wouldn't fit. I should probably replace the line from the front most injector to the IP as well as its kind of short. Car started very easily after the install which surprised me. It idles better, smokes not at all after a small puff at startup and is noticably quicker off the line. The nozzles I had put in are Bozio and slightly larger than the originals which shouldn't make much difference but it was fun telling Angie that car should be a little bit quicker. :) I need to root around in my parts bin, one of the plastic injector line clips is missing, I'd bought some years ago, just need to find them. Something is still not quite right in the rear end, does replacing lower control arm bushings require alignment? I think I already know the answer but... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
So, Kaleb, do you have any cars left to use for the MB-genset project? How many did you move, and how many went to the crushers? What are you getting at the crushers these days? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 190D injectors - success!
'Nother ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: [MBZ] 190D injectors - success! Had time today to get the injectors swapped into my '84 190D. A very easy job if you've got a 1 1/16 deep socket (thanks Fred!) a 14mm wrench, a little hook to grab the heat shields and a little patience. I'd put on McMaster Carr viton line for the injector returns and was able to pull it off and re-install without leaks although I had to replace one because the frontmost injector was clocked differently and the old line wouldn't fit. I should probably replace the line from the front most injector to the IP as well as its kind of short. Car started very easily after the install which surprised me. It idles better, smokes not at all after a small puff at startup and is noticably quicker off the line. The nozzles I had put in are Bozio and slightly larger than the originals which shouldn't make much difference but it was fun telling Angie that car should be a little bit quicker. :) I need to root around in my parts bin, one of the plastic injector line clips is missing, I'd bought some years ago, just need to find them. Something is still not quite right in the rear end, does replacing lower control arm bushings require alignment? I think I already know the answer but... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Generators
What would be bad about a pto generator? Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel. Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it. Would not need a tractor. RB .. The 240D idea has possibilites IMO. Build a frame to support the generator inside a 240D at something like window level. Weld or bolt a multiple belt pulley on the flywheel and a matching multiple belt pulley on the generator; the sizes of the pulleys being calculated to operate the engine and generator at the engines optimum speed and the generators required speed. Multiple belt pulley sets are used in numerous industrial applications and there are a wide range of sizes available, so it should be possible to achieve the proper generator RPM. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Oh, c ome on Dan. You are the expert. You are supposed to tell us how to do it with an old Mercedes diesel - not tell us it cannot be done! RB On 24/11/2014 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Ok, ok, let me put the end to this PTO or drive it off a 240D ideas... Generators come in two configurations: Single bearing, where a flex disc is bolted to a flywheel and the front of the alternator (generator) is supported by the driving engine. The end of the alternator has a bearing in an end frame which supports the back end. This is what most in the business would call a direct coupled or conventional alternator. When you see an engine driven generator set, this is it. Two bearing generators are alternators that are built in a frame much like an electric motor, with end brackets using bearings to support each end. A shaft will project out of one end that can be coupled to a PTO or driven by a belt or pulley. In many cases there are gear reductions (big added cost and maintenance) on the ends of these when a PTO is used, as PTO speeds are well below the RPM necessary to produce 60 Hz (1800 rpm-4 pole, 3600 rpm-2 pole.) The killer is in the means of coupling. Sure, you can jury rig something, but most of the applications suggested would require a two bearing alternator. Problem is, they're not commonly manufactured above a certain size, because the prime movers are rarer and the costs are much higher due to the very low volume and expense of the ancillary items like gear reduction boxes. You would be more likely to be able to set up an arrangement with a single bearing generator and an engine because generator manufacturers use SAE standard flywheel couplings to design their alternators. That means you could probably find an SAE bell housing and flywheel to bolt up to an engine that would also bolt up to a standard alternator. The other factor that kicks in is the reduced engine output you would encounter at the speed (1800 rpm) the alternator would need to run at in order to produce power at the proper frequency. A 60 HP engine does not produce 60 HP at 1800 rpm. It might only produce 20 HP, which at best would yield about 15kW. Having been in the business I have heard (and seen) all sorts of cobbled up arrangements as described, none of which worked well or had any semblance of reliability. If I want a backup power system that is going to protect my family and property, I want something that will be reliable, automatic, well engineered and trouble free. I don't see Regina going out to the shop, coupling the alternator to the tractor PTO, starting the tractor and hooking up a bunch of wires or flipping breakers when she and the kids are home alone in the middle of a storm. Just my $0.02, folks. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Some time back, I posted (I think) a story I got from another internet forum about a guy who mounted an old Briggs or Kohler or ??? on top of the engine block in a boat with an inboard outboard and ran it via a chain drive from the small engine onto a sprocket welded onto the harmonic balancer or something like that. The original engine was used only as a means of transferring power from the little motor to the outdrive - IE - the pistons were out and the crankshaft served the purpose of a shaft with bearing to mount the sprocket onto and to maintain the connection to the outdrive. Crankcase filled with oil for lube and a plate over the top to hold the oil. So, if one wanted to do this in a red neck manner, one could do something similar. Find a generator with a scored cylinder or two cheap and use the block as the means of transmitting power from the aux engine to the generator that lacks the necessary bearings to permit it to be run on its own. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Like this. RB I drove up stream a bit to a small dirt landing, hand lauched the boat and went about fishing for several hours. After a bit I decided to head up stream and try for some crabs, a ways upstream we run across and old man in an old, raggedy Renken trihull, with an OMC I/O set up. He was tossing the anchor and retreiving rope. I circled back and asked if I could help, he went on to explain that his motor died and he couldn't get it started. He had been out all morning and was only 1/4 of the way back to the ramp. I offered to help and he said I was welcome to try but he gave up hours ago. To my surprise, the dog box was made of T111 siding, and about 3' taller than normal. He proceeded to show me how the top of the box folds back on hinges to expose the engine. (There were no gauges or controls on the dash other than several toggle switches. The boat had bench seats installed over a plain plywood deck. The seats were screwed in from each side right through the glass hull. He said he didn't have a starter, and when I flipped the home made cover back I saw why... The original inline four cylinder motor was gutted, all but the oil pan and block were gone. On top of the block where the cylinder head used to reside was a steel plate, with a cast iron Wisconsin cement mixer motor bolted on top of the original engine. There was what looked like a motorcycle chain going from the air cooled engine up top down to a sprocket welded to the original crankshaft. The oil pan was filled to the edge, and he made a sheet metal funnel to keep the oil in the pan as the chain turned. The added on motor has no recoil, only a rope sheave. I gave it a few pulls and it didn't feel healthy inside. I told the guy something broke inside, and that I'd try to tow him to the dock ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I never said it cannot be done - I just pointed out the difficulty in doing it DIY. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Oh, c ome on Dan. You are the expert. You are supposed to tell us how to do it with an old Mercedes diesel - not tell us it cannot be done! RB On 24/11/2014 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Ok, ok, let me put the end to this PTO or drive it off a 240D ideas... Generators come in two configurations: Single bearing, where a flex disc is bolted to a flywheel and the front of the alternator (generator) is supported by the driving engine. The end of the alternator has a bearing in an end frame which supports the back end. This is what most in the business would call a direct coupled or conventional alternator. When you see an engine driven generator set, this is it. Two bearing generators are alternators that are built in a frame much like an electric motor, with end brackets using bearings to support each end. A shaft will project out of one end that can be coupled to a PTO or driven by a belt or pulley. In many cases there are gear reductions (big added cost and maintenance) on the ends of these when a PTO is used, as PTO speeds are well below the RPM necessary to produce 60 Hz (1800 rpm-4 pole, 3600 rpm-2 pole.) The killer is in the means of coupling. Sure, you can jury rig something, but most of the applications suggested would require a two bearing alternator. Problem is, they're not commonly manufactured above a certain size, because the prime movers are rarer and the costs are much higher due to the very low volume and expense of the ancillary items like gear reduction boxes. You would be more likely to be able to set up an arrangement with a single bearing generator and an engine because generator manufacturers use SAE standard flywheel couplings to design their alternators. That means you could probably find an SAE bell housing and flywheel to bolt up to an engine that would also bolt up to a standard alternator. The other factor that kicks in is the reduced engine output you would encounter at the speed (1800 rpm) the alternator would need to run at in order to produce power at the proper frequency. A 60 HP engine does not produce 60 HP at 1800 rpm. It might only produce 20 HP, which at best would yield about 15kW. Having been in the business I have heard (and seen) all sorts of cobbled up arrangements as described, none of which worked well or had any semblance of reliability. If I want a backup power system that is going to protect my family and property, I want something that will be reliable, automatic, well engineered and trouble free. I don't see Regina going out to the shop, coupling the alternator to the tractor PTO, starting the tractor and hooking up a bunch of wires or flipping breakers when she and the kids are home alone in the middle of a storm. Just my $0.02, folks. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Sounds like one of the Engine Division's biggest sellers in the late 1960s-early 70s. They used to have a K91 (4hp horizontal shaft) engine spec that had a three foot crankshaft extension. They were used quite heavily in Vietnam and Laos by people who lived on the water for propulsion engines in their small boats. They would attach a small prop to the end of the crankshaft and just hang the engine over the side of the boat with the prop in the water. A piece of pipe bolted to the side provided a handle for the tiller. When the Vietnam War began the embargoes prevented them from being sold into the area. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Some time back, I posted (I think) a story I got from another internet forum about a guy who mounted an old Briggs or Kohler or ??? on top of the engine block in a boat with an inboard outboard and ran it via a chain drive from the small engine onto a sprocket welded onto the harmonic balancer or something like that. The original engine was used only as a means of transferring power from the little motor to the outdrive - IE - the pistons were out and the crankshaft served the purpose of a shaft with bearing to mount the sprocket onto and to maintain the connection to the outdrive. Crankcase filled with oil for lube and a plate over the top to hold the oil. So, if one wanted to do this in a red neck manner, one could do something similar. Find a generator with a scored cylinder or two cheap and use the block as the means of transmitting power from the aux engine to the generator that lacks the necessary bearings to permit it to be run on its own. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
That sort of thing is still made. I cannot recall the name but they are mostly used by people who want to duck hunt or whatever in shallow areas. This idea however is quite different than that in the sense that it uses the original outdrive on the boat. RB On 24/11/2014 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Sounds like one of the Engine Division's biggest sellers in the late 1960s-early 70s. They used to have a K91 (4hp horizontal shaft) engine spec that had a three foot crankshaft extension. They were used quite heavily in Vietnam and Laos by people who lived on the water for propulsion engines in their small boats. They would attach a small prop to the end of the crankshaft and just hang the engine over the side of the boat with the prop in the water. A piece of pipe bolted to the side provided a handle for the tiller. When the Vietnam War began the embargoes prevented them from being sold into the area. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Some time back, I posted (I think) a story I got from another internet forum about a guy who mounted an old Briggs or Kohler or ??? on top of the engine block in a boat with an inboard outboard and ran it via a chain drive from the small engine onto a sprocket welded onto the harmonic balancer or something like that. The original engine was used only as a means of transferring power from the little motor to the outdrive - IE - the pistons were out and the crankshaft served the purpose of a shaft with bearing to mount the sprocket onto and to maintain the connection to the outdrive. Crankcase filled with oil for lube and a plate over the top to hold the oil. So, if one wanted to do this in a red neck manner, one could do something similar. Find a generator with a scored cylinder or two cheap and use the block as the means of transmitting power from the aux engine to the generator that lacks the necessary bearings to permit it to be run on its own. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Amen. Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators Ok, ok, let me put the end to this PTO or drive it off a 240D ideas... Generators come in two configurations: Single bearing, where a flex disc is bolted to a flywheel and the front of the alternator (generator) is supported by the driving engine. The end of the alternator has a bearing in an end frame which supports the back end. This is what most in the business would call a direct coupled or conventional alternator. When you see an engine driven generator set, this is it. Two bearing generators are alternators that are built in a frame much like an electric motor, with end brackets using bearings to support each end. A shaft will project out of one end that can be coupled to a PTO or driven by a belt or pulley. In many cases there are gear reductions (big added cost and maintenance) on the ends of these when a PTO is used, as PTO speeds are well below the RPM necessary to produce 60 Hz (1800 rpm-4 pole, 3600 rpm-2 pole.) The killer is in the means of coupling. Sure, you can jury rig something, but most of the applications suggested would require a two bearing alternator. Problem is, they're not commonly manufactured above a certain size, because the prime movers are rarer and the costs are much higher due to the very low volume and expense of the ancillary items like gear reduction boxes. You would be more likely to be able to set up an arrangement with a single bearing generator and an engine because generator manufacturers use SAE standard flywheel couplings to design their alternators. That means you could probably find an SAE bell housing and flywheel to bolt up to an engine that would also bolt up to a standard alternator. The other factor that kicks in is the reduced engine output you would encounter at the speed (1800 rpm) the alternator would need to run at in order to produce power at the proper frequency. A 60 HP engine does not produce 60 HP at 1800 rpm. It might only produce 20 HP, which at best would yield about 15kW. Having been in the business I have heard (and seen) all sorts of cobbled up arrangements as described, none of which worked well or had any semblance of reliability. If I want a backup power system that is going to protect my family and property, I want something that will be reliable, automatic, well engineered and trouble free. I don't see Regina going out to the shop, coupling the alternator to the tractor PTO, starting the tractor and hooking up a bunch of wires or flipping breakers when she and the kids are home alone in the middle of a storm. Just my $0.02, folks. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That is what my plan always was, but not the redneck version. I was going to build an enclosure for it. I built a frame with MB motor mounts for an OM621 engine 30+ years ago, but I never found an affordable generator, and never really needed it badly enough to complete the project. It made a stand for a spare engine. You could mount the generator in the back seat area. You might be able to leave the front seats in so you could take a nap too. (to be really Red Green about it) It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool! On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would be bad about a pto generator? Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel. Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it. Would not need a tractor. RB -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Oh, it CAN be done. $$ Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators Oh, c ome on Dan. You are the expert. You are supposed to tell us how to do it with an old Mercedes diesel - not tell us it cannot be done! RB On 24/11/2014 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Ok, ok, let me put the end to this PTO or drive it off a 240D ideas... Generators come in two configurations: Single bearing, where a flex disc is bolted to a flywheel and the front of the alternator (generator) is supported by the driving engine. The end of the alternator has a bearing in an end frame which supports the back end. This is what most in the business would call a direct coupled or conventional alternator. When you see an engine driven generator set, this is it. Two bearing generators are alternators that are built in a frame much like an electric motor, with end brackets using bearings to support each end. A shaft will project out of one end that can be coupled to a PTO or driven by a belt or pulley. In many cases there are gear reductions (big added cost and maintenance) on the ends of these when a PTO is used, as PTO speeds are well below the RPM necessary to produce 60 Hz (1800 rpm-4 pole, 3600 rpm-2 pole.) The killer is in the means of coupling. Sure, you can jury rig something, but most of the applications suggested would require a two bearing alternator. Problem is, they're not commonly manufactured above a certain size, because the prime movers are rarer and the costs are much higher due to the very low volume and expense of the ancillary items like gear reduction boxes. You would be more likely to be able to set up an arrangement with a single bearing generator and an engine because generator manufacturers use SAE standard flywheel couplings to design their alternators. That means you could probably find an SAE bell housing and flywheel to bolt up to an engine that would also bolt up to a standard alternator. The other factor that kicks in is the reduced engine output you would encounter at the speed (1800 rpm) the alternator would need to run at in order to produce power at the proper frequency. A 60 HP engine does not produce 60 HP at 1800 rpm. It might only produce 20 HP, which at best would yield about 15kW. Having been in the business I have heard (and seen) all sorts of cobbled up arrangements as described, none of which worked well or had any semblance of reliability. If I want a backup power system that is going to protect my family and property, I want something that will be reliable, automatic, well engineered and trouble free. I don't see Regina going out to the shop, coupling the alternator to the tractor PTO, starting the tractor and hooking up a bunch of wires or flipping breakers when she and the kids are home alone in the middle of a storm. Just my $0.02, folks. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fw: Generators
- Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators Yep, but I meant long-term reliable, dependable - ready when ya need it and SWMBO free. Reminds me: Sat afternoon #2 son called; gonna stop by to pick up his exercise equip in our basement. I said to SWMBO, Please go down and through basement to outside door, which is locked from outside; open it from inside and meet son at top of outside basement steps so he can come into basement to get his stuff. Turn the little button on the inside knob to horizontal position so it won't lock behind you when you go outside. Coupla minutes latter, SWMBO was coming through the kitchen door from outside fussing about how the basement door had locked behind her and locked 'me out. 'Hobbled down and through basement myself to unlock door. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators Hey Wilton These guys are prepared to mount a generator and fuel tanks inside a decrepit Mercedes. That sounds more like cheap, cheap than $. RB On 24/11/2014 3:48 PM, WILTON wrote: Oh, it CAN be done. $$ Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators Oh, c ome on Dan. You are the expert. You are supposed to tell us how to do it with an old Mercedes diesel - not tell us it cannot be done! RB On 24/11/2014 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Ok, ok, let me put the end to this PTO or drive it off a 240D ideas... Generators come in two configurations: Single bearing, where a flex disc is bolted to a flywheel and the front of the alternator (generator) is supported by the driving engine. The end of the alternator has a bearing in an end frame which supports the back end. This is what most in the business would call a direct coupled or conventional alternator. When you see an engine driven generator set, this is it. Two bearing generators are alternators that are built in a frame much like an electric motor, with end brackets using bearings to support each end. A shaft will project out of one end that can be coupled to a PTO or driven by a belt or pulley. In many cases there are gear reductions (big added cost and maintenance) on the ends of these when a PTO is used, as PTO speeds are well below the RPM necessary to produce 60 Hz (1800 rpm-4 pole, 3600 rpm-2 pole.) The killer is in the means of coupling. Sure, you can jury rig something, but most of the applications suggested would require a two bearing alternator. Problem is, they're not commonly manufactured above a certain size, because the prime movers are rarer and the costs are much higher due to the very low volume and expense of the ancillary items like gear reduction boxes. You would be more likely to be able to set up an arrangement with a single bearing generator and an engine because generator manufacturers use SAE standard flywheel couplings to design their alternators. That means you could probably find an SAE bell housing and flywheel to bolt up to an engine that would also bolt up to a standard alternator. The other factor that kicks in is the reduced engine output you would encounter at the speed (1800 rpm) the alternator would need to run at in order to produce power at the proper frequency. A 60 HP engine does not produce 60 HP at 1800 rpm. It might only produce 20 HP, which at best would yield about 15kW. Having been in the business I have heard (and seen) all sorts of cobbled up arrangements as described, none of which worked well or had any semblance of reliability. If I want a backup power system that is going to protect my family and property, I want something that will be reliable, automatic, well engineered and trouble free. I don't see Regina going out to the shop, coupling the alternator to the tractor PTO, starting the tractor and hooking up a bunch of wires or flipping breakers when she and the kids are home alone in the middle of a storm. Just my $0.02, folks. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Klebmobile for Fred
In your neighborhood, sort of... http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2209241-1999-e320-4matic-wagon-central-massachusetts.html#post10680417 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile for Fred
Closest to me I'd reckon. Tempting... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile for Fred
They don't say anything about the transfer case leaking - that would be the only deal killer I can think of. Dan On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Closest to me I'd reckon. Tempting... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile for Fred
On 24/11/2014 5:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: They don't say anything about the transfer case leaking - that would be the only deal killer I can think of. Dan Think RUST RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile for Fred
On 24/11/2014 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Closest to me I'd reckon. Tempting... If it needs brake and fuel lines, what else is rusted? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile for Fred
On 24/11/2014 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Closest to me I'd reckon. Tempting... If it needs brake and fuel lines, what else is rusted? RB Pretty much everything. However if looks are not top priority a VRB* can be a good vehicle for quite a few years. VRB means Very Rusty Benz My VRB i never intended to run is now entering its 3rd winter and the primary winter vehicle (PWV) It just runs too cheap to junkit. Where I work, there have been acid clouds that take the paint off new cars. I figger if I can collect $3k for a paint job, it will translate into a lot of free miles. I am hoping for another mistake that eats the paint. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile for Fred
Dan.But! I already have a rusty wagon, an' itsa vergasser. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:53:36 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Klebmobile for Fred From: mercedes@okiebenz.com In your neighborhood, sort of... http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2209241-1999-e320-4matic-wagon-central-massachusetts.html#post10680417 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:27:41 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You're forgetting the sense of accomplishment, pride in workmanship, and joy of exercising creativity of cobbling it together yourself - that's worth a lot to some of us. There is no joy in just paying someone to install a gray box for you. Indeed! And ours is painted John Deere green! One can get started to work on a genset with little expenditure of funds and can continue learning about electrical generators, driveshaft torsional resiliency, operation of propane carburetor systems, how to weld, c., c. It was a great learning experience and yielded a finished product that is still valuable. With an auto transfer switch and a remote starter, it would be close enough to auto for most . . . Since we were standalone, we didn't even need a transfer switch ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 190D injectors - success!
$118. I scored $0.99 shipping... So about $250 total including heat shields and shipping and the cleaning and calibration. -Curt From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com; Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D injectors - success! Glad to hear it! How much were the new nozzles?Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Nov 24, 2014 1:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Had time today to get the injectors swapped into my '84 190D. A very easy job if you've got a 1 1/16 deep socket (thanks Fred!) a 14mm wrench, a little hook to grab the heat shields and a little patience. I'd put on McMaster Carr viton line for the injector returns and was able to pull it off and re-install without leaks although I had to replace one because the frontmost injector was clocked differently and the old line wouldn't fit. I should probably replace the line from the front most injector to the IP as well as its kind of short. Car started very easily after the install which surprised me. It idles better, smokes not at all after a small puff at startup and is noticably quicker off the line. The nozzles I had put in are Bozio and slightly larger than the originals which shouldn't make much difference but it was fun telling Angie that car should be a little bit quicker. :) I need to root around in my parts bin, one of the plastic injector line clips is missing, I'd bought some years ago, just need to find them. Something is still not quite right in the rear end, does replacing lower control arm bushings require alignment? I think I already know the answer but... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I don't consider a generator life safety equipment. I've never been in a situation where I though Oh geez, we don't have a generator, we're going to die. but I recognize that I'm somewhat different in my life expectations. Also recognize that in the prepper community a generator is often considered a signal flag of hey come rob me since your house will be loud and lit. A Coleman stove is much easier to hide. ;) I could of course make an exception for those folks who have life threatening illnesses which require cold medicines or an oxygen concentrator or whatever which would require considerable electricity but if the requirement is to run the dryer... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators On Nov 24, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The PTO driven generator for which Kaleb posted a link is the equivalent of a 2-bearing alternator. Correct. A PTO driven generator would be a two bearing generator. I never said it cannot be done - I just pointed out the difficulty in doing it DIY. The pictures you approved for me this afternoon certainly show it can be done -- that generator set has 1420 hours on it. But I will admit, it was a lot of work. Absolutely. The determining factor for me would be if its intended use was for emergency or home standby. I can assure you that SWMBO would not even consider having to go out, start something up, flip breakers, etc., especially if the weather was inclement. If I had a hunting camp that I needed power for, sure, but not something I would want my family to depend on in a life safety situation. I would also posit that the time and effort in designing, fabricating and maintaining something that's cobbled together has value as far as time and inconvenience and then there's the reliability issue as well... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
In our case, it is considerably inconvenient to not have any water due to the lack of electricity. Heat in the winter to keep the pipes from freezing, lights after dark, and Internet access (MB list withdrawal is painful) are added pluses. I'm skeptical about the ability of the fireplace in the north end of the house to keep the pipes under the floor in the south end of the house from freezing. Running the geothermal heat pump without the aux heat strips would suffice however. I did install the propane range on the patio beside the grill, so I do have non-electric cooking capabilities. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I don't consider a generator life safety equipment. I've never been in a situation where I though Oh geez, we don't have a generator, we're going to die. but I recognize that I'm somewhat different in my life expectations. Also recognize that in the prepper community a generator is often considered a signal flag of hey come rob me since your house will be loud and lit. A Coleman stove is much easier to hide. ;) I could of course make an exception for those folks who have life threatening illnesses which require cold medicines or an oxygen concentrator or whatever which would require considerable electricity but if the requirement is to run the dryer... -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I have a generator that will handle the furnace, fridge, and some lights, etc. We do occasionally have power outages that last more than 24 hours. Since I hardly use the dryer I have (I prefer to hang the clothes out in the summer and in the basement for the winter) I'd not likely suffer too badly if I couldn't use it for a few days. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile for Fred
Not much of an issue like on the 124 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They don't say anything about the transfer case leaking - that would be the only deal killer I can think of. Dan On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Closest to me I'd reckon. Tempting... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I don't consider a generator life safety equipment. I've never been in a situation where I though Oh geez, we don't have a generator, we're going to die. but I recognize that I'm somewhat different in my life expectations. Also recognize that in the prepper community a generator is often considered a signal flag of hey come rob me since your house will be loud and lit. A Coleman stove is much easier to hide. ;) I could of course make an exception for those folks who have life threatening illnesses which require cold medicines or an oxygen concentrator or whatever which would require considerable electricity but if the requirement is to run the dryer... -Curt Personally, I agree. 24 hours is no big deal. A katrina event, however makes a generator valuable to keep food refrigerated and frozen when no ice is available in a hot climate. I learned quite a bit talking to Katrina survivors about what is and is not necessary. One guy had only one can of corn to eat in 3 days, and it took a week until any contact was made with anything more than a half mile away. This guy was not in the boonies, nor was he near the beach. everything was pretty much gone within 1/2 mile of the beach. For 1/2 mile to 1 mile, most houses were standing but pretty severely damaged. This guy lived on a paved road, about 1/4 mile from another paved road (intersection) A gas station was 1/2 mile away, but FEMA commandeered all fuel for itself, so no gasoline was available for generators. A week later, help came in the form of a MO national guard helicopter. His wife was from MO, and her brother was in the MO NG. So the chopper was in a special mission to get food specifically to them and their neighbors. Otherwise, not telling how long it may have taken to get food in. The first 3/4 days, they had food from the refer/freezer. After that was gone or spoiled, only canned food would work. Because of gooberment help in the form of FEMA, there was no fuel available for chainsaws to cut trees and clear roads. There was no way to get out to get fuel from someplace out of the disaster area. There was no shortage of volunteers to do the work. The problem was FEMA commandeering all the fuel. (FEMA had no way to use the commandeered fuel, because FEMA could not get to it) Ain't goobermnt wunnerful! We have an old apt size (24) propane stove. it requires no power. cooking is no problem if the juice is out. candles take care of light. woodstove takes care of heat, if needed. The only other problem is food preservation. For that, a small portable generator chained to the septic tank or equivalent should do the trick. However it is fun to try to figure out how to provide your own electricity if the situation warrants. My grandfather had a Delco light plant. It provided electricity to the farm in the 20s until rural electric came through. My dad added a Wincharger generator to the system, probably when he was 12 or 14. When he was 16, he was chopping Dodges into trucks. So the urge to use an MB Diesel to run a generator is somewhat inherited. After all DB owned Dodge for a time... and a winco is sort of the modern version of Wincharger. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - Silicone or Viton O-Ring
I have an old Omre Quickmill probably made in 1970. It had very little use from all appearances and it is not the typical 220V european but it was made for 110V. This device operates by pumping water through a copper tube cast in to an aluminum alloy casting that has electrical heating elements. The o-ring is part of this group head and I took things apart to see how this o-ring is after 40 years. Not bad, it seems. From what I can find, o-rings come in standard sizes standardized in SAE AS568 and referred to as DASH sizes for use in aerospace. Graingers has most DASH sizes, it seems. This seems to be a DASH 226 o-ring. Here is AS568: www.oringsusa.com/html/size_chart.html Here is Omre Quickmill: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291279947684 Do any of you guys know o-rings and materials? The o-ring provides a seal inside a 58mm stainless portafilter as the hot water is pumped through the fine ground coffee. When removed, the o-ring measure 57mmX50mmX3.5mm - that is O.D. X I.D. X cross-section-diameter. I guess the o-ring stretches in to the groove and must expand as it heats up seal inside the 58mm basket? Since this is hot water, and in food preparation I am thinking to find an FDA material that can stand 250F - 400F It appears that both Viton or Silicone would work? I bet one of you knows about this stuff. Perhaps not. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
In our case, it is considerably inconvenient to not have any water due to the lack of electricity. Heat in the winter to keep the pipes from freezing, lights after dark, and Internet access (MB list withdrawal is painful) are added pluses. I'm skeptical about the ability of the fireplace in the north end of the house to keep the pipes under the floor in the south end of the house from freezing. Running the geothermal heat pump without the aux heat strips would suffice however. I did install the propane range on the patio beside the grill, so I do have non-electric cooking capabilities. You could hang the 240D heap/generator from the rafters in the corner of your hanger. It would be quite a conversation piece for those who gain access to the top secret hanger. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Good idea! It will go nicely with the C-150 wing, C-182 windshield, and Jet Ranger blade! On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You could hang the 240D heap/generator from the rafters in the corner of your hanger. It would be quite a conversation piece for those who gain access to the top secret hanger. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Silicone or Viton O-Ring
Either will work. Why not measure the groove and then buy one in metric size? Many times a US size can be made to work, but the metric size will fit better. There are numerous places in CHitown that sell food equipment. Cozinni or MM might have a proper oring, on in chicago there has to be at least ONE supplier who stocks large metric orings. A bearing supply house should have them too. I mention MM because they repair and rebuild a lot of imported food equipment. There is Frain on North Ave also and Aaron Equip. They are the two big ones. There are always online resources too. I have an old Omre Quickmill probably made in 1970. It had very little use from all appearances and it is not the typical 220V european but it was made for 110V. This device operates by pumping water through a copper tube cast in to an aluminum alloy casting that has electrical heating elements. The o-ring is part of this group head and I took things apart to see how this o-ring is after 40 years. Not bad, it seems. From what I can find, o-rings come in standard sizes standardized in SAE AS568 and referred to as DASH sizes for use in aerospace. Graingers has most DASH sizes, it seems. This seems to be a DASH 226 o-ring. Here is AS568: www.oringsusa.com/html/size_chart.html Here is Omre Quickmill: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291279947684 Do any of you guys know o-rings and materials? The o-ring provides a seal inside a 58mm stainless portafilter as the hot water is pumped through the fine ground coffee. When removed, the o-ring measure 57mmX50mmX3.5mm - that is O.D. X I.D. X cross-section-diameter. I guess the o-ring stretches in to the groove and must expand as it heats up seal inside the 58mm basket? Since this is hot water, and in food preparation I am thinking to find an FDA material that can stand 250F - 400F It appears that both Viton or Silicone would work? I bet one of you knows about this stuff. Perhaps not. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
