Re: [MBZ] Fw: List mail

2015-05-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I forgot to mention that Craig is getting undeliverable responses, too.

 On May 4, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 So Wilton is still bouncing, do we have a copy of a bounce? Anybody else 
 still bouncing?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 4, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Yeah Wilton. 
 
 Says that other than the flurry of mails that went through the other day he 
 can't hit the list.
 
 Curt
 
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 10:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: List mail
 
 Everything should be working as normal, is somebody getting bounced in the 
 last couple of days?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 4, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Amen. I have been on the list since 2002  it has NEVER been this messed
 up.
 On May 4, 2015 10:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 KALEB!
 
 Whatever happened to make this happen it needs to be fixed...
   - Forwarded Message -
 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 To: Addison Thompson as.thomp...@cox.net; Alex Chamberlain 
 apchamberl...@gmail.com; Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com;
 Angelo Giaimo michaelangel...@gmail.com; Bob Rentfro 
 azbob...@gmail.com;
 clay redgh...@comcast.net; Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net;
 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Darren
 Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com; David  Kristin Gilmore 
 dandkgilm...@frontier.com; Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com; Donald
 Snook d...@snooklawllc.com
 Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 1:59 PM
 Subject: List mail
 
 Unsubscribed 1356 4 May '15. Wilton
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: List mail

2015-05-05 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I was getting them but that seems to be fixed now. Yahoo is also not a rinky 
dink email provider...
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: List mail
   
I forgot to mention that Craig is getting undeliverable responses, too.

 On May 4, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 So Wilton is still bouncing, do we have a copy of a bounce? Anybody else 
 still bouncing?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 4, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Yeah Wilton. 
 
 Says that other than the flurry of mails that went through the other day he 
 can't hit the list.
 
 Curt
 
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 10:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: List mail
 
 Everything should be working as normal, is somebody getting bounced in the 
 last couple of days?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 4, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Amen. I have been on the list since 2002  it has NEVER been this messed
 up.
 On May 4, 2015 10:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 KALEB!
 
 Whatever happened to make this happen it needs to be fixed...
  - Forwarded Message -
 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 To: Addison Thompson as.thomp...@cox.net; Alex Chamberlain 
 apchamberl...@gmail.com; Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com;
 Angelo Giaimo michaelangel...@gmail.com; Bob Rentfro 
 azbob...@gmail.com;
 clay redgh...@comcast.net; Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net;
 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Darren
 Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com; David  Kristin Gilmore 
 dandkgilm...@frontier.com; Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com; Donald
 Snook d...@snooklawllc.com
 Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 1:59 PM
 Subject: List mail
 
 Unsubscribed 1356 4 May '15. Wilton
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.

2015-05-05 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I can only offer that it will be much easier to replace all the links and 
bushings, but remember that final torque should be done with weight of car 
resting on rear wheels.

Unknowns: condition of wheel bearings, brakes, unless you swap over the wheel 
carriers.

Extra expense: new bolts and special washers for the axle connections to 
differential.

Are you keeping current differential?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 4, 2015 8:38:36 PM EDT, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:
Need an informed opinion as to whether it is a good idea to buy a used
W124 rear subframe and build it up and then swap it, on not?
(Sorry about the on-topic question).
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.  
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: List mail

2015-05-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
They're not bouncing, the Okielist server is not responding to their mail. 
They're getting undeliverable responses from their ISP MX servers.

I was getting these over the weekend from both list traffic and direct emails 
to Kaleb.

Wilton's ISP is Time Warner, so it's not a rinky dink ISP.  Mine is Verizon.

Something is rotten in Okieland.

 On May 4, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 So Wilton is still bouncing, do we have a copy of a bounce? Anybody else 
 still bouncing?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 4, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Yeah Wilton. 
 
 Says that other than the flurry of mails that went through the other day he 
 can't hit the list.
 
 Curt
 
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 10:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: List mail
 
 Everything should be working as normal, is somebody getting bounced in the 
 last couple of days?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 4, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Amen. I have been on the list since 2002  it has NEVER been this messed
 up.
 On May 4, 2015 10:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 KALEB!
 
 Whatever happened to make this happen it needs to be fixed...
   - Forwarded Message -
 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 To: Addison Thompson as.thomp...@cox.net; Alex Chamberlain 
 apchamberl...@gmail.com; Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com;
 Angelo Giaimo michaelangel...@gmail.com; Bob Rentfro 
 azbob...@gmail.com;
 clay redgh...@comcast.net; Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net;
 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Darren
 Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com; David  Kristin Gilmore 
 dandkgilm...@frontier.com; Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com; Donald
 Snook d...@snooklawllc.com
 Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 1:59 PM
 Subject: List mail
 
 Unsubscribed 1356 4 May '15. Wilton
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] List mail

2015-05-05 Thread Alice Strickland via Mercedes
Yes, the msgs from Alice acct are from tonight.  They whip right through in 
usual manner after moderator approved first one.

Wilton

Sent from my iPad

 On May 5, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I only see one from Alice Strickland account.  I think that was sent tonight.
 
 
 Okie Donn sez: Yes, it worked. I am seeing days old messages from Wilton 
 tonight.
 
 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Alice Strickland via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Does this work or not.
 
 Wilton
  Sent from my iPad
 
 
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[MBZ] OT: Golden Sun Solar Powered taxi service in Chareston

2015-05-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
They found a niche market - very enterprising.

Rich - are you anywhere near Folly Beach, SC?

http://www.sierraclub.org/planet/2015/04/solar-powered-taxis-are-no-folly?utm_source=insiderutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=newsletter
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Re: [MBZ] OT?? Garbage to biofuels

2015-05-05 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Question is what is the production cost of this stuff -- can it compete 
with jet fuel at a refined cost of $2 or $3 a gallon or whatever it is 
these days?  Or does it rely on gummint (i.e., our tax money) 
incentives to make an economic alternative to dino jet fuel?


Not saying it is a bad idea to look at alternative processes but they 
also need to be realistic and not hugely subsidized.


--R



On 5/5/15 4:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

  Companies to build Nev. plant to turn garbage into jet fuelPublished:
Tuesday, May 5, 2015

Abengoa Bioenergy will partner with Fulcrum BioEnergy Inc. to build a
municipal solid-waste-to-energy plant near Reno, Nev., the companies
announced today.

The Sierra BioFuels Plant will be the nation's first biorefinery to use
gasification technology to produce jet fuel out of municipal solid waste,
the companies said. The plant will divert 200,000 tons of garbage from
landfills, including waste from the Reno-Tahoe gambling industry, and
produce 10 million gallons of biofuel annually.

Last September, Fulcrum received a $105 million loan guarantee from the
U.S. Department of Agriculture toward the construction of the plant 20
miles east of Reno. Fulcrum is also one of three advanced biofuel companies
to win $70 million in awards last year through the Defense Production Act,
an effort by the Obama administration to use military purchasing power to
spur the creation of a commercial-scale biofuel industry.

According to a news release, the contract announced today between Abengoa
and Fulcrum is worth $200 million.

We are eager to add Abengoa to our team, E. James Macias, president and
CEO of Fulcrum, said in a statement. Abengoa has the skill and horsepower
to take our design and technology development and successfully turn it into
an operating commercial plant.

Abengoa last year opened one of the nation's first large-scale cellulosic
ethanol plants in Hugoton, Kan. (*Greenwire*
http://www.eenews.net/greenwire/stories/1060007505/, Oct. 17, 2014).

Abengoa will engineer, design and construct the biorefinery in Nevada under
the fixed-price contract with Fulcrum.

Last year, Fulcrum also announced a partnership with Cathay Pacific Airways
in which the airline agreed to purchase 275 million gallons of jet fuel
produced by Fulcrum over 10 years.
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Re: [MBZ] List Mail

2015-05-05 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Raise your hand if you're not here.

I had to abandon sending from yahoo awhile back.

I ignored this list for years at a stretch but have always been
occasionally very glad it persisted in one form or another.

I rely on pointedthree for the G. Superturbodiesel for the 617 and 60x
series engine/turbo mods.

K
On May 4, 2015 5:56 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I get the digest and only saw Wilton's emails in the digest a couple of
 days ago.

 Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:44:37 -0400
 From: Tim Crone t...@crone.us


 Wilton, I am seeing your mail on the list, way back to ? a few days back.

 Does anyone else see this mail?  I have quarantine only for DMARC set for
 my domain, so if people are seeing it maybe their domains just started
 honoring the setting - as of a few weeks ago, Gmail completely ignored the
 quarantine/reject option set by the sender domain.

 Best,
 Tim

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Re: [MBZ] List Mail

2015-05-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
These just came into the approval queue and I released them.  Note the sent 
date - they’re old.

Dan

 
 On May 3, 2015, at 10:33 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yes, first in nearly a week.  Thanks and ATTABOY.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] List Mail
 
 
 Well this is coming from the list
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2015, at 4:30 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'm getting msgs that mine are not delivered, and I don't get back on the 
 list.
 
 When did anyone on the list see a msg from  me last - on the list?
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] List Mail
 
 
 If they are not delivered, how come I receive them?
 
 RB
 
 On 01/05/2015 3:52 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
 ‎Wilton wrote:
 
 Mine are not delivered.  Mine not Yahoo.
 Wilton
 Well. That may be something entirely different. Hmm. Or, maybe the DMARC 
 thing has something to do with that also...
 
 Rick
 Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT?? Garbage to biofuels

2015-05-05 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Question is what is the production cost of this stuff -- can it 
compete with jet fuel at a refined cost of $2 or $3 a gallon or 
whatever it is these days?


You also must factor in any garbage-disposal cost that is subsumed
into the fuel-production cost.  It's the entire chain whose cost
must be evaluated.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT?? Garbage to biofuels

2015-05-05 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
O... but grasshopper.. you must think properly...

It doesn't have to make a profit... it only has to consume the government
subsidy money until it is exhausted while the full time staff of grant
proposal writers submit requests for extensions and further funding...

It is, after all a government funded program.. it must be exploited and
grown beyond any practical expectations... The task is not to actually
produce viable fuel.. but to ensure income for the principles and as few
minions as necessary to make it appear like progress is being made.

Gotta run now.. have to sell some more stock...

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Question is what is the production cost of this stuff -- can it compete
 with jet fuel at a refined cost of $2 or $3 a gallon or whatever it is
 these days?


 You also must factor in any garbage-disposal cost that is subsumed
 into the fuel-production cost.  It's the entire chain whose cost
 must be evaluated.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] List Mail

2015-05-05 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Lol, well done Karl.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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Re: [MBZ] List mail

2015-05-05 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Yes, it worked. I am seeing days old messages from Wilton tonight.

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Alice Strickland via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Does this work or not.

 Wilton

 Sent from my iPad

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golden Sun Solar Powered taxi service in Chareston

2015-05-05 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

They found a niche market - very enterprising.

Rich - are you anywhere near Folly Beach, SC?

http://www.sierraclub.org/planet/2015/04/solar-powered-taxis-are-no-folly?utm_source=insiderutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=newsletter


appropriate name

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Re: [MBZ] List mail

2015-05-05 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

I only see one from Alice Strickland account.  I think that was sent tonight.


Okie Donn sez: Yes, it worked. I am seeing days old messages from 
Wilton tonight.


On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Alice Strickland via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Does this work or not.

 Wilton


  Sent from my iPad
 


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Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.

2015-05-05 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Max,et al.It probably will be easier to just do the mounts and shocks, all of 
which I have, than dropping the subframe etc.All of the links were done last 
year.This getting old is a pain, though the alternative is worse.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 09:08:39 -0400
 To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 I can only offer that it will be much easier to replace all the links and 
 bushings, but remember that final torque should be done with weight of car 
 resting on rear wheels.
 
 Unknowns: condition of wheel bearings, brakes, unless you swap over the wheel 
 carriers.
 
 Extra expense: new bolts and special washers for the axle connections to 
 differential.
 
 Are you keeping current differential?
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
  
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[MBZ] List mail

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Guess I may as well unsubscribe; unable to participate in a discussion - my 
msgs are posted so late they're not relevant to the subject by the time they're 
posted.  

Wilton
1013  4 May '15
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[MBZ] Fw: List Mail

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Most of my msgs were held, some since 26 Apr, and were finally posed this 
morning dated 3 May.  By then, many of the msgs were/are irrelevant.  My msgs 
sent to the list today (3 May) are not being posted.

The one you quote below was sent 1 May; posted to list 3 May.

Wilton


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Crone 
  To: Mercedes List ; WILTON 
  Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] List Mail


  Wilton, I am seeing your mail on the list, way back to ? a few days back.

  Does anyone else see this mail?  I have quarantine only for DMARC set for my 
domain, so if people are seeing it maybe their domains just started honoring 
the setting - as of a few weeks ago, Gmail completely ignored the 
quarantine/reject option set by the sender domain.

  Best,
  Tim

  On May 3, 2015 5:02 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Mine are not delivered.  Mine not Yahoo.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; 
Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] List Mail



  Here is what I found on a brief search. It explains why the list got 
buggered about a year ago, regarding yahoo mail addys.

  
http://blog.mandrill.com/yahoos-recent-dmarc-changes-and-how-that-impacts-senders.html

  
http://yahoo.tumblr.com/post/82426971544/an-update-on-our-dmarc-policy-to-protect-our-users

  Key sentence. On Friday afternoon last week, Yahoo made a simple change 
to its DMARC policy from report to reject. In other words, we requested 
that all other mail services reject emails claiming to come from a Yahoo user, 
but not signed by Yahoo.

  
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html

  http://marketingland.com/email-senders-stymied-yahoo-mail-79442

  AOL too.
  
http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/

  How to fix it.

  
http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/run-email-discussion-list-heres-how-to.html?m=1

  http://blog.threadable.com/how-threadable-solved-the-dmarc-problem

  http://dmarc.org/faq.html#s_3

  
http://onlinegroups.net/blog/2014/04/10/yahoo-dmarc-better-mailing-list-manager/

  For Apache mailing lists.

  http://www.sunstarsys.com/essays/mailing-lists

  For Mailman lists.

  
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=dmarc+fixl=mailman-users%40python.org

  http://wiki.list.org/DOC/Frequently Asked 
Questions?action=fullsearchtitlesearch=0value=dmarccontext=180

  
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mailman-us...@python.orgq=subject:Re%3A+[Mailman-Users]+Which+from%2C+reply+and+DMARC+settings+for+a+discussion+group%3Fo=newestf=1

  http://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC

  Best answer here?
  https://blog.tigertech.net/posts/mailman-updated-fixes-dmarc/

  I apologize for the number of links. The final one may propose the 
easiest, most comprehensive solution.

  Rick
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[MBZ] ?

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

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[MBZ] Fw: Mail System Error - Returned Mail

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes


- Original Message - 
From: Mail Administrator postmas...@email.rr.com

To: wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:42 AM
Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail



This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason:

Your message was not delivered because the destination computer was
not reachable within the allowed queue period.  The amount of time
a message is queued before it is returned depends on local configura-
tion parameters.

Most likely there is a network problem that prevented delivery, but
it is also possible that the computer is turned off, or does not
have a mail system running right now.

Your message was not delivered within 4 days and 0 hours.
Host okiebenz.com is not responding.

The following recipients did not receive this message:

mercedes@okiebenz.com

Please reply to postmas...@email.rr.com
if you feel this message to be in error.


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[MBZ] List mail

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Weeks/days old posts on list this morning as a group, many of them no longer 
relevant.  Are those sent today gonna be held a week?  Those sent this morning 
not yet posted.

Wilton
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[MBZ] List mail

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

- Original Message - 
From: WILTON 
To: Addison Thompson ; Alex Chamberlain ; Andrew Strasfogel ; Angelo 
Giaimo ; Bob Rentfro ; clay ; Craig McCluskey ; Curt Raymond ; Dan 
Penoff ; Darren Marshall ; David  Kristin Gilmore ; Dieselhead ; 
Donald Snook ; dsereta...@yahoo.com ; Dwight Giles ; Ed Booher ; Fmiser 
; Fred Moir ; Frederick Moir ; G Mann ; G. M. Brown ; Gerry Archer ; 
Greg Fiorentino ; Jaime Kopchinski ; Jaime Kopchinski ; Jim Cathey ; 
Jon Agne ; Karl Wittnebel ; Kevin Kraly ; Larry Turner ; M. Mitchell 
Marmel ; Max Dillon ; Meade Dillon ; Mountain Man ; ned kleinhenz ; 
Peter Frederick ; Randy Bennell ; rdeaf...@aol.com ; Rich Thomas ; Rich 
Thomas ; Rick Hawkins Java ; Rick Knoble ; roger...@comcast.net 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 7:42 PM
Subject: List mail


Anybody have any idea why my posts to mercedes@okiebenz.com are held and not 
posted to the list immediately as has been the practice for many years?  The 
group posted this morning was an accumulation of my posts from the past week.  

Was the ATTABOY I proffered this morning premature?  None of the several 
posts I've sent today has appeared on the list. 

I don't know of anything that I have changed.  

As I've said several times before, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH OTHER, 
INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSES - ONLY THIS ONE.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] List Mail

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Doubt you're seeing mine,unless you're including what I sent directly to 
you.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] List Mail



I think I am seeing all the emails.

But then I use Earthlink, which is very unusual these days.

Peter

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[MBZ] List mail

2015-05-05 Thread Alice Strickland via Mercedes
Does this work or not.

Wilton

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [MBZ] List Mail

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Me, too.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Tim Crone t...@crone.us; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] List Mail



Tim,

I received your list email.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 3, 2015 2:44:37 PM EDT, Tim Crone via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Wilton, I am seeing your mail on the list, way back to ? a few days
back.

Does anyone else see this mail?


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[MBZ] Fwd: Undelivered mail

2015-05-05 Thread Alice Strickland via Mercedes
Test.

Below msg delayed/rejected by okiebenz 30 Apr whipped through to SWBO's iPad in 
few seconds

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 Date: May 5, 2015 at 5:44:05 PM EDT
 To: alice.strickl...@gmail.com
 Subject: Fw: Undelivered mail
 
  
 - Original Message -
 From: WILTON
 To: mercedes list
 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 7:26 PM
 Subject: Undelivered mail
 
 Rcvd 3 msgs today that msgs sent 26 Apr to okiebenz.com not delivered - 
 okiebenz.com not responding.
  
 ?
  
 I'll use thisun as a test.
  
 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Mail System Error - Returned Mail

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Yes, to the striplin address and other individual addresses, but no to 
okiebenz.

'Looks like it's trying to catch some of the delayed ones this morning.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Mail System Error - Returned Mail



Your messages appear to be coming thru to me.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2015, at 8:39 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:


My mail not delivered to list since 26 Apr.
All I get is return msg like the following one.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Mail Administrator 
postmas...@email.rr.com

To: wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:42 AM
Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail



This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason:
Your message was not delivered because the destination computer was
not reachable within the allowed queue period.  The amount of time
a message is queued before it is returned depends on local configura-
tion parameters.
Most likely there is a network problem that prevented delivery, but
it is also possible that the computer is turned off, or does not
have a mail system running right now.
Your message was not delivered within 4 days and 0 hours.
Host okiebenz.com is not responding.
The following recipients did not receive this message:
   mercedes@okiebenz.com
Please reply to postmas...@email.rr.com
if you feel this message to be in error.


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Re: [MBZ] List Mail

2015-05-05 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Yes, first in nearly a week.  Thanks and ATTABOY.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] List Mail



Well this is coming from the list

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2015, at 4:30 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:


I'm getting msgs that mine are not delivered, and I don't get back on the 
list.


When did anyone on the list see a msg from  me last - on the list?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] List Mail



If they are not delivered, how come I receive them?

RB


On 01/05/2015 3:52 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
‎Wilton wrote:


Mine are not delivered.  Mine not Yahoo.
Wilton
Well. That may be something entirely different. Hmm. Or, maybe the 
DMARC thing has something to do with that also...


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT?? Garbage to biofuels

2015-05-05 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

O... but grasshopper.. you must think properly...

It doesn't have to make a profit... it only has to consume the government
subsidy money until it is exhausted while the full time staff of grant
proposal writers submit requests for extensions and further funding...

It is, after all a government funded program.. it must be exploited and
grown beyond any practical expectations... The task is not to actually
produce viable fuel.. but to ensure income for the principles and as few
minions as necessary to make it appear like progress is being made.

Gotta run now.. have to sell some more stock...


Solindra

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Re: [MBZ] OT?? Garbage to biofuels

2015-05-05 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Question is what is the production cost of this stuff -- can it 
compete with jet fuel at a refined cost of $2 or $3 a gallon or 
whatever it is these days?  Or does it rely on gummint (i.e., our 
tax money) incentives to make an economic alternative to dino jet 
fuel?


Not saying it is a bad idea to look at alternative processes but 
they also need to be realistic and not hugely subsidized.


--R


Which is why I called solindra.  (foul)   Just the cost of 
construction is enough to identify it as a favor handed out to 
bummer supporters.  It will not be viable in this incarnation.


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Re: [MBZ] List mail

2015-05-05 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Just now downloaded 10 Wiltons via MBZ; the latest being 5/4 at 10:13  and the 
earliest being 4/30 at 23:12.
I'm thinking about going on no mail but will remain a member and check 
occasionally to see if any progress has been made.
Gerry 
...
WILTON wrote:

 'Guess I may as well unsubscribe; unable to participate in a discussion - my 
 msgs are posted so late they're not relevant to the subject by the time 
 they're posted.  
 
 Wilton
 1013  4 May '15
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Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.

2015-05-05 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Fred writes:

This getting old is a pain, though the alternative is worse.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076114773X


Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sort of my thoughts as well.

Talked to the owner last night. The guy sounds like he's in his 90's, and every 
once in a while I would hear his wife in the background yelling over him to 
correct something he said.  It was clear that he didn't know cars that well, 
and he let his indie dictate what to do on it as far as service.

He just had ALL the coils replaced based on his mechanic's recommendation. 
Holy. That was a four digit bill right there.

He definitely spares no expense to maintain it, and he said the first owner had 
a Mercedes warranty through 100k that he milked the heck out of.  I'll need to 
pore over the records to get an idea of what has been dealt with, but it 
certainly sounds like a lot of things have been addressed.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On May 5, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hard to go wrong at that price.  If a W140 looked a little less like a 
 severely bloated 124, I'd be all over it.  I just cannot stand the looks.  It 
 does have silver going for it, which I think is the best color for a car in a 
 hot climate.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Saw this S600 on CL and called the owner:
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5003989855.html
 
 It's being advertised by a friend of the owner, who sounds to be older than 
 dirt and a bit of a Luddite (I'm not criticizing, just laying out the 
 situation.)
 
 Second owner, 187k, uses an independent to service it. From the sounds of 
 things, the independent has kids in college or several boat payments he has 
 to make. I say that because the owner has done things like replace all the 
 injectors, all of the coil packs, etc. based on his mechanic's 
 recommendations.
 
 All service records from both owners.
 
 The CL lister is a friend who runs a detailing service. He's telling me 
 there's some paint fade but the clear coat is intact. The owner says 
 everything works on the car but the antenna.
 
 The transmission has not been rebuilt as the ad states, but it was shifting 
 poorly on the 3-4 upshift and the owner said his mechanic replaced the 
 filter and fluid. Based on the amount he quoted for the repair it sound like 
 the electronics at the valve body that commonly fails (I can't recall what 
 this is called right now) got replaced. He said It shifts fine now.
 
 I don't know a whole lot more at this point, but I'm going to see the car 
 after work. I know all the usual W140 stuff to check, but if anyone wants to 
 weigh in on M120 details I'm all ears, as well as on anything else they 
 might feel is pertinent.
 
 I'm a little scared of the M120, mainly because I'm unfamiliar with it. I 
 don't need a money pit. I'm hoping that 187k is as minor a concern on an 
 M120 as it would be for me on an M119.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] More lawn mower

2015-05-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Those darned white men! There goes the neighborhood.

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:49 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 That was true before the White Man stopped all the grass fires - now trees
 are like weeds here.

 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:52 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

  Oh yeah. Forgot that. They don't have anything but grasses out there.
 
  Manfred
 
  Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 20:12:46 -0500
  From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 
  Trees?  whassat?  It is Okieland.   He's even closer to Ponca City now.
 
 
  --
 
 OK Don

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 our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

 There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
 learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Dan writes:

Saw this S600 on CL and called the owner:

Buy it for SWMBO. IIRC, She has to have at least a V6. That would fit the bill 
nicely. You can take all the money you save from not having to do deferred 
maintenance, and pay speeding tickets...
‎
Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

If you need to ask, the answer is YES!

Looks like the pictures were taken with a HP digital camera.  They 
make everything blue.


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Re: [MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Yes you are on crack but you could still buy it and have some fun.

A coupla years ago an S600 was for auction at a tow yard, I went over 
there and got there just as they were selling it, went for something 
like $2300.  Looked like a doper car, probably repo or something, but in 
half OK condition.  Guy who bought it looked like a low-end used car lot 
dealer.  I figured for that money if nothing else the parts would be 
worth at least 2X that.  Whatever, I didn't buy it...


So some time later I am at some dinner my wife organized with some of 
her colleagues, get talking to one guy who was a drug developer doc of 
some sort, says he collected various cars, had his own semi to haul them 
around in (!!!).  I had seen an S600 parked in her lot by her office, 
asked him if that was his.  He said yeah, he had bought it a year or so 
ago, used, got a good deal on it.  I told him I had heard those things 
were troublesome and pricey to fix (not that the money would have been 
an issue for him), he said it had been no problem and loved the car.  So 
there is that datum.


For that kind of money just buy the damn thing and drive it til it breaks.

--R



On 5/5/15 10:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Sort of my thoughts as well.

Talked to the owner last night. The guy sounds like he's in his 90's, and every 
once in a while I would hear his wife in the background yelling over him to 
correct something he said.  It was clear that he didn't know cars that well, 
and he let his indie dictate what to do on it as far as service.

He just had ALL the coils replaced based on his mechanic's recommendation. 
Holy. That was a four digit bill right there.

He definitely spares no expense to maintain it, and he said the first owner had 
a Mercedes warranty through 100k that he milked the heck out of.  I'll need to 
pore over the records to get an idea of what has been dealt with, but it 
certainly sounds like a lot of things have been addressed.

Dan

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On May 5, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:

Hard to go wrong at that price.  If a W140 looked a little less like a severely 
bloated 124, I'd be all over it.  I just cannot stand the looks.  It does have 
silver going for it, which I think is the best color for a car in a hot climate.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

Saw this S600 on CL and called the owner:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5003989855.html

It's being advertised by a friend of the owner, who sounds to be older than 
dirt and a bit of a Luddite (I'm not criticizing, just laying out the 
situation.)

Second owner, 187k, uses an independent to service it. From the sounds of 
things, the independent has kids in college or several boat payments he has to 
make. I say that because the owner has done things like replace all the 
injectors, all of the coil packs, etc. based on his mechanic's recommendations.

All service records from both owners.

The CL lister is a friend who runs a detailing service. He's telling me there's 
some paint fade but the clear coat is intact. The owner says everything works 
on the car but the antenna.

The transmission has not been rebuilt as the ad states, but it was shifting poorly on the 
3-4 upshift and the owner said his mechanic replaced the filter and fluid. Based on the 
amount he quoted for the repair it sound like the electronics at the valve body that 
commonly fails (I can't recall what this is called right now) got replaced. He said 
It shifts fine now.

I don't know a whole lot more at this point, but I'm going to see the car after 
work. I know all the usual W140 stuff to check, but if anyone wants to weigh in 
on M120 details I'm all ears, as well as on anything else they might feel is 
pertinent.

I'm a little scared of the M120, mainly because I'm unfamiliar with it. I don't 
need a money pit. I'm hoping that 187k is as minor a concern on an M120 as it 
would be for me on an M119.

Thanks in advance,

Dan
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[MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Saw this S600 on CL and called the owner:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5003989855.html

It's being advertised by a friend of the owner, who sounds to be older than 
dirt and a bit of a Luddite (I'm not criticizing, just laying out the 
situation.)

Second owner, 187k, uses an independent to service it. From the sounds of 
things, the independent has kids in college or several boat payments he has to 
make. I say that because the owner has done things like replace all the 
injectors, all of the coil packs, etc. based on his mechanic's recommendations.

All service records from both owners.

The CL lister is a friend who runs a detailing service. He's telling me there's 
some paint fade but the clear coat is intact. The owner says everything works 
on the car but the antenna.

The transmission has not been rebuilt as the ad states, but it was shifting 
poorly on the 3-4 upshift and the owner said his mechanic replaced the filter 
and fluid. Based on the amount he quoted for the repair it sound like the 
electronics at the valve body that commonly fails (I can't recall what this is 
called right now) got replaced. He said It shifts fine now.

I don't know a whole lot more at this point, but I'm going to see the car after 
work. I know all the usual W140 stuff to check, but if anyone wants to weigh in 
on M120 details I'm all ears, as well as on anything else they might feel is 
pertinent.

I'm a little scared of the M120, mainly because I'm unfamiliar with it. I don't 
need a money pit. I'm hoping that 187k is as minor a concern on an M120 as it 
would be for me on an M119.

Thanks in advance,

Dan
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[MBZ] ISP Issues and a miniscule tidbit of MB

2015-05-05 Thread Jon Kanas via Mercedes

Good Morning all,

I've been reading the thread(s) regarding bounces with some 
interest.  I use a very small ISP out of Wyoming (vcn.com) 
and have had no difficulties receiving or sending to the 
list since I joined the list, way back in the dark ages 
(2005?) when I had my 300TE (miniscule Mercedes content).


There has been a lot of hysteria regarding all manner of 
security, especially since the Target breach and the 
proliferation of mobile devices.  This has resulted in ISPs 
(especially the big ones) implement one-size-fits-all 
solutions which do not adapt well to everyone / everything.  
My educated guess is that the problems folks are seeing with 
bouncing email is partially due to their large, corporate, 
ISP attempting to intercept and terminate any email which 
the ISP deems suspicious.  These algorithms change to reduce 
predictability and cause unanticipated problems.  As long as 
individuals have privacy concerns, and are willing to 
attempt to enrich themselves by suing every entity in the 
email chain, ISPs (especially the big ones, with deep 
pockets) will continue to implement new (and inadequately 
tested) tools to reduce their risk.


My recommendation is that whenever anyone is sending an 
email which bounces (and you know it should not), call your 
ISP and make them research the issue.  They need to be 
notified whenever a change they make has an adverse impact 
on their end users.  I work in IT consulting, primarily for 
healthcare, and there are all manner of pressure on these 
providers to be compliant to an ever-changing litany of 
compliance issues to escape liability for whatever idiotic 
things their end users do (like opening unknown attachments 
in emails).


About once a month. AOL refuses to accept email from my 
ISP.  I call my ISP, they call AOL, and the problem gets 
resolved, usually in 24hrs.  When I become aware that a 
business partner uses AOL, I warn them that there is a high 
likelihood of issues with their email, and request an 
alternate.  It irritates people, but it solves my problem.


Personally, I much prefer using a relatively small ISP who 
is responsive to my needs, even if there is a cost 
associated with their services.  I do get a lot of phishing 
emails which survive their spam filters, but I can press the 
junk button several time after my mail downloads.  In 
other words, I'm not as comprehensively protected as some 
giant, corporate, ISP might offer, but I don't have any 
issues with service reliability.  I work from a home office 
most of the time, and cannot afford to be playing games to 
second guess what the corporate overlords are up to.


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Re: [MBZ] ISP Issues and a miniscule tidbit of MB

2015-05-05 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Wilton, see below, might be worth trying Jon's tactic and engaging your
internet service provider.

-Max

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Jon Kanas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Good Morning all,

 I've been reading the thread(s) regarding bounces with some interest.  I
 use a very small ISP out of Wyoming (vcn.com) and have had no
 difficulties receiving or sending to the list since I joined the list, way
 back in the dark ages (2005?) when I had my 300TE (miniscule Mercedes
 content).

 There has been a lot of hysteria regarding all manner of security,
 especially since the Target breach and the proliferation of mobile
 devices.  This has resulted in ISPs (especially the big ones) implement
 one-size-fits-all solutions which do not adapt well to everyone /
 everything.  My educated guess is that the problems folks are seeing with
 bouncing email is partially due to their large, corporate, ISP attempting
 to intercept and terminate any email which the ISP deems suspicious.  These
 algorithms change to reduce predictability and cause unanticipated
 problems.  As long as individuals have privacy concerns, and are willing to
 attempt to enrich themselves by suing every entity in the email chain, ISPs
 (especially the big ones, with deep pockets) will continue to implement new
 (and inadequately tested) tools to reduce their risk.

 My recommendation is that whenever anyone is sending an email which
 bounces (and you know it should not), call your ISP and make them research
 the issue.  They need to be notified whenever a change they make has an
 adverse impact on their end users.  I work in IT consulting, primarily for
 healthcare, and there are all manner of pressure on these providers to be
 compliant to an ever-changing litany of compliance issues to escape
 liability for whatever idiotic things their end users do (like opening
 unknown attachments in emails).

 About once a month. AOL refuses to accept email from my ISP.  I call my
 ISP, they call AOL, and the problem gets resolved, usually in 24hrs.  When
 I become aware that a business partner uses AOL, I warn them that there is
 a high likelihood of issues with their email, and request an alternate.  It
 irritates people, but it solves my problem.

 Personally, I much prefer using a relatively small ISP who is responsive
 to my needs, even if there is a cost associated with their services.  I do
 get a lot of phishing emails which survive their spam filters, but I can
 press the junk button several time after my mail downloads.  In other
 words, I'm not as comprehensively protected as some giant, corporate, ISP
 might offer, but I don't have any issues with service reliability.  I work
 from a home office most of the time, and cannot afford to be playing games
 to second guess what the corporate overlords are up to.

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Re: [MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Hard to go wrong at that price.  If a W140 looked a little less like a
severely bloated 124, I'd be all over it.  I just cannot stand the looks.
It does have silver going for it, which I think is the best color for a car
in a hot climate.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Saw this S600 on CL and called the owner:

 http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5003989855.html

 It's being advertised by a friend of the owner, who sounds to be older
 than dirt and a bit of a Luddite (I'm not criticizing, just laying out the
 situation.)

 Second owner, 187k, uses an independent to service it. From the sounds of
 things, the independent has kids in college or several boat payments he has
 to make. I say that because the owner has done things like replace all the
 injectors, all of the coil packs, etc. based on his mechanic's
 recommendations.

 All service records from both owners.

 The CL lister is a friend who runs a detailing service. He's telling me
 there's some paint fade but the clear coat is intact. The owner says
 everything works on the car but the antenna.

 The transmission has not been rebuilt as the ad states, but it was
 shifting poorly on the 3-4 upshift and the owner said his mechanic replaced
 the filter and fluid. Based on the amount he quoted for the repair it sound
 like the electronics at the valve body that commonly fails (I can't recall
 what this is called right now) got replaced. He said It shifts fine now.

 I don't know a whole lot more at this point, but I'm going to see the car
 after work. I know all the usual W140 stuff to check, but if anyone wants
 to weigh in on M120 details I'm all ears, as well as on anything else they
 might feel is pertinent.

 I'm a little scared of the M120, mainly because I'm unfamiliar with it. I
 don't need a money pit. I'm hoping that 187k is as minor a concern on an
 M120 as it would be for me on an M119.

 Thanks in advance,

 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
A cynic would ask why spend all that money on themechanicals if he left it
out in the sun to fade the paint?

I would definitely see and test drive the car, then if it checks out make a
low enough offer to cover you in case something major (transmission, e.g.)
fails in the first year.  With those sh*tt* photos no fear of a bidding
war...  There is nothing like this on ebay currently...

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Sort of my thoughts as well.

 Talked to the owner last night. The guy sounds like he's in his 90's, and
 every once in a while I would hear his wife in the background yelling over
 him to correct something he said.  It was clear that he didn't know cars
 that well, and he let his indie dictate what to do on it as far as service.

 He just had ALL the coils replaced based on his mechanic's recommendation.
 Holy. That was a four digit bill right there.

 He definitely spares no expense to maintain it, and he said the first
 owner had a Mercedes warranty through 100k that he milked the heck out of.
 I'll need to pore over the records to get an idea of what has been dealt
 with, but it certainly sounds like a lot of things have been addressed.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On May 5, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hard to go wrong at that price.  If a W140 looked a little less like a
 severely bloated 124, I'd be all over it.  I just cannot stand the looks.
 It does have silver going for it, which I think is the best color for a car
 in a hot climate.
 
  -
  Max
  Charleston SC
 
  On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Saw this S600 on CL and called the owner:
 
  http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5003989855.html
 
  It's being advertised by a friend of the owner, who sounds to be older
 than dirt and a bit of a Luddite (I'm not criticizing, just laying out the
 situation.)
 
  Second owner, 187k, uses an independent to service it. From the sounds
 of things, the independent has kids in college or several boat payments he
 has to make. I say that because the owner has done things like replace all
 the injectors, all of the coil packs, etc. based on his mechanic's
 recommendations.
 
  All service records from both owners.
 
  The CL lister is a friend who runs a detailing service. He's telling me
 there's some paint fade but the clear coat is intact. The owner says
 everything works on the car but the antenna.
 
  The transmission has not been rebuilt as the ad states, but it was
 shifting poorly on the 3-4 upshift and the owner said his mechanic replaced
 the filter and fluid. Based on the amount he quoted for the repair it sound
 like the electronics at the valve body that commonly fails (I can't recall
 what this is called right now) got replaced. He said It shifts fine now.
 
  I don't know a whole lot more at this point, but I'm going to see the
 car after work. I know all the usual W140 stuff to check, but if anyone
 wants to weigh in on M120 details I'm all ears, as well as on anything else
 they might feel is pertinent.
 
  I'm a little scared of the M120, mainly because I'm unfamiliar with it.
 I don't need a money pit. I'm hoping that 187k is as minor a concern on an
 M120 as it would be for me on an M119.
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] More lawn mower

2015-05-05 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
That was true before the White Man stopped all the grass fires - now trees
are like weeds here.

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wrote:

 Oh yeah. Forgot that. They don't have anything but grasses out there.

 Manfred

 Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 20:12:46 -0500
 From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com

 Trees?  whassat?  It is Okieland.   He's even closer to Ponca City now.


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Re: [MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I don't know the details on the paint fade. It's possible the guy lives in one 
of the snowbird 60's vintage homes in that area that just have car ports.

It was such an ordeal trying to communicate with him because his hearing is 
obviously not 100% that I pretty much gave up trying to get details. I'll just 
take a look at it and go from there.

The guy that listed it for him said someone has been calling and making offers 
but they can't get over to see it for a week or something goofy like that. 
Apparently they have talked to the owner as well, as he made some comments 
about someone making him an offer without seeing the car and asking if he would 
put a lower sale price on the title. Being an older person, that freaked him 
out.

Dan

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 On May 5, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A cynic would ask why spend all that money on themechanicals if he left it 
 out in the sun to fade the paint? 
  
 I would definitely see and test drive the car, then if it checks out make a 
 low enough offer to cover you in case something major (transmission, e.g.) 
 fails in the first year.  With those sh*tt* photos no fear of a bidding 
 war...  There is nothing like this on ebay currently...
 
 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Sort of my thoughts as well.
 
 Talked to the owner last night. The guy sounds like he's in his 90's, and 
 every once in a while I would hear his wife in the background yelling over 
 him to correct something he said.  It was clear that he didn't know cars 
 that well, and he let his indie dictate what to do on it as far as service.
 
 He just had ALL the coils replaced based on his mechanic's recommendation. 
 Holy. That was a four digit bill right there.
 
 He definitely spares no expense to maintain it, and he said the first owner 
 had a Mercedes warranty through 100k that he milked the heck out of.  I'll 
 need to pore over the records to get an idea of what has been dealt with, 
 but it certainly sounds like a lot of things have been addressed.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
  On May 5, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hard to go wrong at that price.  If a W140 looked a little less like a 
  severely bloated 124, I'd be all over it.  I just cannot stand the looks.  
  It does have silver going for it, which I think is the best color for a 
  car in a hot climate.
 
  -
  Max
  Charleston SC
 
  On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Saw this S600 on CL and called the owner:
 
  http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5003989855.html
 
  It's being advertised by a friend of the owner, who sounds to be older 
  than dirt and a bit of a Luddite (I'm not criticizing, just laying out 
  the situation.)
 
  Second owner, 187k, uses an independent to service it. From the sounds of 
  things, the independent has kids in college or several boat payments he 
  has to make. I say that because the owner has done things like replace 
  all the injectors, all of the coil packs, etc. based on his mechanic's 
  recommendations.
 
  All service records from both owners.
 
  The CL lister is a friend who runs a detailing service. He's telling me 
  there's some paint fade but the clear coat is intact. The owner says 
  everything works on the car but the antenna.
 
  The transmission has not been rebuilt as the ad states, but it was 
  shifting poorly on the 3-4 upshift and the owner said his mechanic 
  replaced the filter and fluid. Based on the amount he quoted for the 
  repair it sound like the electronics at the valve body that commonly 
  fails (I can't recall what this is called right now) got replaced. He 
  said It shifts fine now.
 
  I don't know a whole lot more at this point, but I'm going to see the car 
  after work. I know all the usual W140 stuff to check, but if anyone wants 
  to weigh in on M120 details I'm all ears, as well as on anything else 
  they might feel is pertinent.
 
  I'm a little scared of the M120, mainly because I'm unfamiliar with it. I 
  don't need a money pit. I'm hoping that 187k is as minor a concern on an 
  M120 as it would be for me on an M119.
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.

2015-05-05 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Should work OK, just remember that the wagon and the sedans have  
different rear axles, the wagon is 49 mm at the axle nut and the  
sedans are 47 mm I think.


It is much easier to replace subframe mounts and do most of the work  
on links outside the car.  However, you must still tighten the link  
bolts with the wheel at ride height, so in most cases you will need to  
do this on the car.  Also will have to do a four wheel alignment.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
This is the definition of crack: $7k for a rusty 123 wagon with 200k miles
and a rather tired interior, exclusively maintained with non-MB parts so
you can replace them all every couple of years!

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4957848979.html

-
Max
Charleston SC
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[MBZ] OT?? Garbage to biofuels

2015-05-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 Companies to build Nev. plant to turn garbage into jet fuelPublished:
Tuesday, May 5, 2015

Abengoa Bioenergy will partner with Fulcrum BioEnergy Inc. to build a
municipal solid-waste-to-energy plant near Reno, Nev., the companies
announced today.

The Sierra BioFuels Plant will be the nation's first biorefinery to use
gasification technology to produce jet fuel out of municipal solid waste,
the companies said. The plant will divert 200,000 tons of garbage from
landfills, including waste from the Reno-Tahoe gambling industry, and
produce 10 million gallons of biofuel annually.

Last September, Fulcrum received a $105 million loan guarantee from the
U.S. Department of Agriculture toward the construction of the plant 20
miles east of Reno. Fulcrum is also one of three advanced biofuel companies
to win $70 million in awards last year through the Defense Production Act,
an effort by the Obama administration to use military purchasing power to
spur the creation of a commercial-scale biofuel industry.

According to a news release, the contract announced today between Abengoa
and Fulcrum is worth $200 million.

We are eager to add Abengoa to our team, E. James Macias, president and
CEO of Fulcrum, said in a statement. Abengoa has the skill and horsepower
to take our design and technology development and successfully turn it into
an operating commercial plant.

Abengoa last year opened one of the nation's first large-scale cellulosic
ethanol plants in Hugoton, Kan. (*Greenwire*
http://www.eenews.net/greenwire/stories/1060007505/, Oct. 17, 2014).

Abengoa will engineer, design and construct the biorefinery in Nevada under
the fixed-price contract with Fulcrum.

Last year, Fulcrum also announced a partnership with Cathay Pacific Airways
in which the airline agreed to purchase 275 million gallons of jet fuel
produced by Fulcrum over 10 years.
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[MBZ] FW: Delivery status notification

2015-05-05 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
I had sent a reply to a list message, It failed about 5 times over several 
days.  Let's see if this goes through!

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT?? Garbage to biofuels

2015-05-05 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

' Bummer buddies
Can you say solera?
$10.50 or $20 per gallon of plant capacity is a scam.




Companies to build Nev. plant to turn garbage into jet fuelPublished:
Tuesday, May 5, 2015

Abengoa Bioenergy will partner with Fulcrum BioEnergy Inc. to build a
municipal solid-waste-to-energy plant near Reno, Nev., the companies
announced today.

The Sierra BioFuels Plant will be the nation's first biorefinery to use
gasification technology to produce jet fuel out of municipal solid waste,
the companies said. The plant will divert 200,000 tons of garbage from
landfills, including waste from the Reno-Tahoe gambling industry, and
produce 10 million gallons of biofuel annually.

Last September, Fulcrum received a $105 million loan guarantee from the
U.S. Department of Agriculture toward the construction of the plant 20
miles east of Reno. Fulcrum is also one of three advanced biofuel companies
to win $70 million in awards last year through the Defense Production Act,
an effort by the Obama administration to use military purchasing power to
spur the creation of a commercial-scale biofuel industry.

According to a news release, the contract announced today between Abengoa
and Fulcrum is worth $200 million.

We are eager to add Abengoa to our team, E. James Macias, president and
CEO of Fulcrum, said in a statement. Abengoa has the skill and horsepower
to take our design and technology development and successfully turn it into
an operating commercial plant.

Abengoa last year opened one of the nation's first large-scale cellulosic
ethanol plants in Hugoton, Kan. (*Greenwire*
http://www.eenews.net/greenwire/stories/1060007505/, Oct. 17, 2014).

Abengoa will engineer, design and construct the biorefinery in Nevada under
the fixed-price contract with Fulcrum.

Last year, Fulcrum also announced a partnership with Cathay Pacific Airways
in which the airline agreed to purchase 275 million gallons of jet fuel
produced by Fulcrum over 10 years.
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Re: [MBZ] Am I on Crack?

2015-05-05 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

We can stop worrying about defective Chinese parts. A list members hard-to-find 
product that can restore nearly anything is now available to the masses. 
WALMART IS CARRYING SHOE-GOO!!!
Gerry

Meade Dillon wrote:
 This is the definition of crack: $7k for a rusty 123 wagon with 200k miles
 and a rather tired interior, exclusively maintained with non-MB parts so
 you can replace them all every couple of years!
 
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Re: [MBZ] FW: Delivery status notification

2015-05-05 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Got it Greg
On May 5, 2015 4:07 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I had sent a reply to a list message, It failed about 5 times over several
 days.  Let's see if this goes through!

 Greg

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