Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm also wondering how the "fix" will affect MPG.  A work colleague has a
VW diesel, and the rumor mill says the "fix" will cause fuel consumption to
increase dramatically, so he plans to avoid the fix and stay away from the
dealer all together.  Car does not have the DEF/DPF injection tank or
system, and he thinks the "fix" requires that to be installed.  I wouldn't
be surprised if EPA mandates that if a car which needs the fix comes to the
dealer for any service, the fix is required by law to be performed,
regardless of car owner desire.

In reading some of the Bosch fuel injection pump training literature on
Dave M's site, there is a trade-off of injection timing between fuel
consumption and NOX emissions, so if the fix changes the injection timing
and increases the amount of exhaust fed back in via the EGR, I can see that
impacting fuel consumption and engine power, but I don't know enough about
how the DEF/DPF system works to see what that does.  I was under the
impression DEF/DPF was simply injected into the exhaust stream ahead of one
of the catalysts to reduce the NOX.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> How does injecting DEF in the exhaust effect mileage? The effort to do the
> injection? IIRC, I get the same mileage as you in the 2012 Passat.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I fixed it.

-
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Charleston SC

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> This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. THought
> the list was broken, maybe it was/is?
>
> --R
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Wilton,

We are getting your messages on the list; perhaps you are not getting any
list traffic?  It's been moderately busy the last couple days.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] some punks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

"it goes up and down with only a couple of scrapes on glass in the track" 
Which is the worst thing about having a broken window. I've gone through this 
once when somebody stole the radio out of my truck, it was years later that I 
was still getting glass out of it...

-Curt

  From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
 To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com List"  
Cc: Rick Hawkins Java  
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:07 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] some punks
   
Folks

we had a spare driver's glass in our boneyard, so after lots of vacuuming of 
glass

fortunately it wasn't even in a door, so i just grabbed it

once at home so i could drive to the office and again when i had the door 
opened up, i installed the new piece

it goes up and down with only a couple of scrapes on glass in the track
thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. THought 
the list was broken, maybe it was/is?


--R



On 10/1/15 9:11 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I'm also wondering how the "fix" will affect MPG.  A work colleague has a
VW diesel, and the rumor mill says the "fix" will cause fuel consumption to
increase dramatically, so he plans to avoid the fix and stay away from the
dealer all together.  Car does not have the DEF/DPF injection tank or
system, and he thinks the "fix" requires that to be installed.  I wouldn't
be surprised if EPA mandates that if a car which needs the fix comes to the
dealer for any service, the fix is required by law to be performed,
regardless of car owner desire.

In reading some of the Bosch fuel injection pump training literature on
Dave M's site, there is a trade-off of injection timing between fuel
consumption and NOX emissions, so if the fix changes the injection timing
and increases the amount of exhaust fed back in via the EGR, I can see that
impacting fuel consumption and engine power, but I don't know enough about
how the DEF/DPF system works to see what that does.  I was under the
impression DEF/DPF was simply injected into the exhaust stream ahead of one
of the catalysts to reduce the NOX.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:


How does injecting DEF in the exhaust effect mileage? The effort to do the
injection? IIRC, I get the same mileage as you in the 2012 Passat.



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Re: [MBZ] Should I Look at This?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That looks like a real turd.  I'll bet most if not all of the new parts are
NOT genuine MB or even decent aftermarket, but probably URO or similar.

>From what I can see:
Rust is just starting to get bad; expect to find more than what is shown in
the pix.
Vacuum issue, you may be right that the pump has failed, might be something
else (gasket between MC and brake booster, or failure in the big line from
pump to booster).
AC "just needs a belt and blower motor", sure  I'll bet there is a
major leak somewhere (condensor or hose) AND the compressor is seized.
Interior looks like real leather, which is rare, so more expensive to fix
seats etc.  Are the door cards really leather as well?  What else did the
dog eat?

Sadly, this car will probably never be more than a beater.  Might be fun to
get it all sorted out mechanically, but if there is major rust on the
suspension bits, that part won't be fun at all without a lift and air tools.

-
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[wiltonw--- via Mercedes]

Got both of yours immediately on iPad

Wilt

 Rich Thomas via Mercedes  wrote: 
> Well I'm getting yours anyway but no others.  Maybe the tubes only work 
> as far as Mt P
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 10/1/15 9:31 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > I fixed it.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. THought
> >> the list was broken, maybe it was/is?
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[wiltonw--- via Mercedes]

May have found prob.   Version of Internet explorer on desk top no longer 
supported.  Not getting all posts on it; 'seem to get 'em okay on SWMBO's iPad.

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I got nothing yesterday or Tuesday night.

A couple things trickled in last night and I just started seeing stuff now.

Dan

> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wilton,
> 
> We are getting your messages on the list; perhaps you are not getting any
> list traffic?  It's been moderately busy the last couple days.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I've moved my account to Hillary's server, no problems with my email or the
list.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Try a tracert to okiebenz.com.  See if it goes through or hangs somewhere.
>
> Better if kleb can do a tracert from okiebenz.com to your IP.  May be an
> ATT server down somewhere along the line.  I have found that situation
> before.
>
>
>
>
>
> I got nothing yesterday or Tuesday night.
>>
>> A couple things trickled in last night and I just started seeing stuff
>> now.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>  On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Wilton,
>>>
>>>  We are getting your messages on the list; perhaps you are not getting
>>> any
>>>  list traffic?  It's been moderately busy the last couple days.
>>>
>>>  -
>>>  Max
>>>  Charleston SC
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <
>>>
>>  > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>  >
>>
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. 
THought the list was broken, maybe it was/is?


--R



On 10/1/15 9:11 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I'm also wondering how the "fix" will affect MPG.



The list has been working.   You were suspended for 4 days for 
plotting to dismsmber a poor old SD.


I have been receiving mail steadily, although sometimes in spurts and droughts.

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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I got none on any device

--R

On 10/1/15 10:08 AM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes wrote:

May have found prob.   Version of Internet explorer on desk top no longer 
supported.  Not getting all posts on it; 'seem to get 'em okay on SWMBO's iPad.

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Well I'm getting yours anyway but no others.  Maybe the tubes only work 
as far as Mt P


--R


On 10/1/15 9:31 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I fixed it.

-
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Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


This is the first email I have received from okiebenz in 4 days. THought
the list was broken, maybe it was/is?

--R




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Re: [MBZ] ?

[wiltonw--- via Mercedes]

Got this one back on iPad in few seconds.

Wilt
 wiltonw--- via Mercedes  wrote: 
> May have found prob.   Version of Internet explorer on desk top no longer 
> supported.  Not getting all posts on it; 'seem to get 'em okay on SWMBO's 
> iPad.
> 
> Wilt
> 
>  Wilton Strickland via Mercedes  wrote: 
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Try a tracert to okiebenz.com.  See if it goes through or hangs somewhere.

Better if kleb can do a tracert from okiebenz.com to your IP.  May be 
an ATT server down somewhere along the line.  I have found that 
situation before.






I got nothing yesterday or Tuesday night.

A couple things trickled in last night and I just started seeing stuff now.

Dan

 On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 Wilton,

 We are getting your messages on the list; perhaps you are not getting any
 list traffic?  It's been moderately busy the last couple days.

 -
 Max
 Charleston SC

 On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <

 > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[G Mann via Mercedes]

A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.

By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and heat
footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair share".

More forests will be cut down to produce paper for the multitude of copies
of the regulations, which will deplete wildlife habitat and thus cause more
employment for federal regulators.

Am I following the logic points here yet?

Ooops.. I left out, greater control over what you do as a person by larger
and more powerful government with more agency power..

Fundamental Change didn't that happen during the French Revolution?
Yeah.. I'm pretty sure it did.. but.. "let them eat cake, what difference
does it make now"... :)))

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm also wondering how the "fix" will affect MPG.  A work colleague has a
> VW diesel, and the rumor mill says the "fix" will cause fuel consumption to
> increase dramatically, so he plans to avoid the fix and stay away from the
> dealer all together.  Car does not have the DEF/DPF injection tank or
> system, and he thinks the "fix" requires that to be installed.  I wouldn't
> be surprised if EPA mandates that if a car which needs the fix comes to the
> dealer for any service, the fix is required by law to be performed,
> regardless of car owner desire.
>
> In reading some of the Bosch fuel injection pump training literature on
> Dave M's site, there is a trade-off of injection timing between fuel
> consumption and NOX emissions, so if the fix changes the injection timing
> and increases the amount of exhaust fed back in via the EGR, I can see that
> impacting fuel consumption and engine power, but I don't know enough about
> how the DEF/DPF system works to see what that does.  I was under the
> impression DEF/DPF was simply injected into the exhaust stream ahead of one
> of the catalysts to reduce the NOX.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How does injecting DEF in the exhaust effect mileage? The effort to do
> the
> > injection? IIRC, I get the same mileage as you in the 2012 Passat.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

This is a tracert, you use the command prompt:

C:\Users\Dad>tracert okiebenz.com

Tracing route to okiebenz.com [173.248.159.226]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms  ROUTERDRIVE [192.168.120.1]
  2 1 ms<1 ms<1 ms  192.168.110.1
  3 1 ms<1 ms<1 ms  192.168.50.1
  417 ms 4 ms 5 ms  10.14.2.254
  533 ms 5 ms 2 ms  10.14.0.254
  641 ms15 ms 7 ms  10.10.200.6
  7 8 ms 6 ms * 10.9.0.205
  832 ms 6 ms18 ms  gi0-0-0-2.agr11.okc01.atlas.cogentco.com
[38.122.24.29]
  912 ms 9 ms 9 ms  te0-0-0-2.rcr11.okc01.atlas.cogentco.com
[154.24.31.217]
 1013 ms13 ms13 ms  be2214.rcr11.ftw01.atlas.cogentco.com
[154.54.24.177]
 1139 ms19 ms18 ms  be2211.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com
[154.54.43.105]
 1220 ms19 ms18 ms  be2031.ccr21.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com
[154.54.7.46]
 13 *** Request timed out.
 1434 ms30 ms37 ms  ae-1-51.edge3.Denver1.Level3.net
[4.69.147.72]
 1532 ms29 ms30 ms  ae-1-51.edge3.Denver1.Level3.net
[4.69.147.72]
 1637 ms50 ms29 ms  4.34.46.238
 1731 ms42 ms30 ms  ae2-16.core2.denver2.handynetworks.com
[68.71.128.66]
 1828 ms29 ms48 ms  ae1-12.core1.denver2.handynetworks.com
[68.71.128.130]
 1935 ms30 ms48 ms  ssd.serversecureplusplusartu.net
[173.248.159.226]

Trace complete.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:02 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> What's a tracert, and how different from the ? I've been sending.
>
> Just got several posts from list, including the msg I sent this morning
> via SWMBO's iPad.
>
> This one's on the desktop, we'll see what happens to it.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?
>
>
>
> Try a tracert to okiebenz.com.  See if it goes through or hangs somewhere.
>>
>> Better if kleb can do a tracert from okiebenz.com to your IP.  May be an
>> ATT server down somewhere along the line.  I have found that situation
>> before.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I got nothing yesterday or Tuesday night.
>>>
>>> A couple things trickled in last night and I just started seeing stuff
>>> now.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>  On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  Wilton,

  We are getting your messages on the list; perhaps you are not getting
 any
  list traffic?  It's been moderately busy the last couple days.

  -
  Max
  Charleston SC

  On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <

>>>  > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Hard for me to hit right key with spastic hands.

BTW, 'seems that  I also have Parkinson's now, in addition to the CIDP.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?


I like the convenience of my tablet but I hate typing on it. My suspicion 
is that the people who do can't type...


-Curt
 From: OK Don via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?

Almost anything is easier to use than an iPad, I don't know why they are 
so

popular.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:


WOW!!!??? I just got it back in few seconds via the list??? WT etc?

Whatever anybody did, thanks

Oh, just noticed it has Cc to "WILTON." That's probably what got it back
to me.

This old desktop with windows mail is lot easier for me to use with my
spastic hands/fingers/arms than the iPad.



Wilton




OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few 
who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!


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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Score!


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 01 October 2015 16:46
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?

>BMW?

R75/5
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

BMW?


R75/5

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Re: [MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

What's a tracert, and how different from the ? I've been sending.

Just got several posts from list, including the msg I sent this morning via 
SWMBO's iPad.


This one's on the desktop, we'll see what happens to it.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?



Try a tracert to okiebenz.com.  See if it goes through or hangs somewhere.

Better if kleb can do a tracert from okiebenz.com to your IP.  May be an 
ATT server down somewhere along the line.  I have found that situation 
before.






I got nothing yesterday or Tuesday night.

A couple things trickled in last night and I just started seeing stuff 
now.


Dan

 On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 Wilton,

 We are getting your messages on the list; perhaps you are not getting 
any

 list traffic?  It's been moderately busy the last couple days.

 -
 Max
 Charleston SC

 On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <

 > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 >


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Re: [MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

WOW!!!???  I just got it back in few seconds via the list???  WT etc?

Whatever anybody did, thanks

Oh, just noticed it has Cc to "WILTON."  That's probably what got it back to 
me.


This old desktop with windows mail is lot easier for me to use with my 
spastic hands/fingers/arms than the iPad.




Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?



What's a tracert, and how different from the ? I've been sending.

Just got several posts from list, including the msg I sent this morning 
via SWMBO's iPad.


This one's on the desktop, we'll see what happens to it.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?


Try a tracert to okiebenz.com.  See if it goes through or hangs 
somewhere.


Better if kleb can do a tracert from okiebenz.com to your IP.  May be an 
ATT server down somewhere along the line.  I have found that situation 
before.






I got nothing yesterday or Tuesday night.

A couple things trickled in last night and I just started seeing stuff 
now.


Dan

 On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 Wilton,

 We are getting your messages on the list; perhaps you are not getting 
any

 list traffic?  It's been moderately busy the last couple days.

 -
 Max
 Charleston SC

 On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <

 > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 >


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[MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My 2005 Golf TDI only came with one key, thats no big deal, fixmyvw.com offers 
replacement keys, cut from a picture (imagine that) if you send a pic of your 
registration and drivers license. The thing they can't do is program the 
immobilizer so the key will actually start the car. What you need is the magic 
number from your car to allow the programming, my Indy has a cable that should 
allow that, I have the cable which will actually do the programming but mine 
can't get the magic number.
Sadly my Indy's cable couldn't get the magic number so no programming fun for 
me... We think its because his is an eBay cable, not a proper "VAG Tacho" which 
is about $300. I've asked the brain trust at the TDI club, hopefully somebody 
nearby has the real deal cable. If not I'll buy one, the cable is about the 
same price as a single dealer cut key with programming...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A fwe years down the road, there should be a way to retrofit a primitive
(non-digital) key so you don't have to incur a towing expense greater than
the value of the depreciated vehicle.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> My Smartkey equipped MBZ came with one transmitter key and no
> transmitterless emergency key. I often wish the prior two owners had kept
> the other remote key,
> even if the remote no longer worked, or the non-remote key.
>
> If I lose my Smartkey I'll have to be towed to the dealer and likely pay
> $300-500 for a new remote key.
>
> Fortunately my W140 came with two IR remotes with fold out keys, one
> master key, and one valet key. I suspect that's the full set.
>
> My first MBZ, the 116 300SD, came with one ignition key that doesn't fit
> the doors, a receipt for a new ignition lock, and a broken window from
> somebody
> locking himself out of the car.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] ?, again, 1311 1 Oct

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yup, so did I . . .

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Received 1314 1 Oct
>   From: WILTON via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes list 
> Cc: WILTON 
>  Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:12 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] ?, again, 1311 1 Oct
>
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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

BMW?


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Wilton Strickland 
via Mercedes 
Sent: 01 October 2015 03:46
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Wilton Strickland
Subject: [MBZ] ?
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Almost anything is easier to use than an iPad, I don't know why they are so
popular.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> WOW!!!???  I just got it back in few seconds via the list???  WT etc?
>
> Whatever anybody did, thanks
>
> Oh, just noticed it has Cc to "WILTON."  That's probably what got it back
> to me.
>
> This old desktop with windows mail is lot easier for me to use with my
> spastic hands/fingers/arms than the iPad.
>
>
>
> Wilton
>


OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ?, again, 1311 1 Oct

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Received 1314 1 Oct
  From: WILTON via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes list  
Cc: WILTON  
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:12 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] ?, again, 1311 1 Oct
   

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Re: [MBZ] ?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I can't type, but the only thing I've found the iPad to be useful for is
the GPS navigation app in the airplane.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like the convenience of my tablet but I hate typing on it. My suspicion
> is that the people who do can't type...
>
> -Curt
>   From: OK Don via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: OK Don 
>  Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:15 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?
>
> Almost anything is easier to use than an iPad, I don't know why they are so
> popular.
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > WOW!!!???  I just got it back in few seconds via the list???  WT etc?
> >
> > Whatever anybody did, thanks
> >
> > Oh, just noticed it has Cc to "WILTON."  That's probably what got it back
> > to me.
> >
> > This old desktop with windows mail is lot easier for me to use with my
> > spastic hands/fingers/arms than the iPad.
> >
> >
> >
> > Wilton
> >
>
>
> OK Don
>
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>
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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My Smartkey equipped MBZ came with one transmitter key and no transmitterless 
emergency key. I often wish the prior two owners had kept the other remote key,

even if the remote no longer worked, or the non-remote key.

If I lose my Smartkey I'll have to be towed to the dealer and likely pay 
$300-500 for a new remote key.


Fortunately my W140 came with two IR remotes with fold out keys, one master key, 
and one valet key. I suspect that's the full set.


My first MBZ, the 116 300SD, came with one ignition key that doesn't fit the 
doors, a receipt for a new ignition lock, and a broken window from somebody

locking himself out of the car.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ?, again, 1311 1 Oct

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Got it back in few seconds!!!
'Seems to be working now.  Somebody, Kaleb, maybe, evidently inserted "Cc 
WILTON."  Anyway, thanks.


Wilton

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Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:12 PM
Subject: [MBZ] ?, again, 1311 1 Oct




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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I like the convenience of my tablet but I hate typing on it. My suspicion is 
that the people who do can't type...

-Curt
  From: OK Don via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: OK Don  
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?
   
Almost anything is easier to use than an iPad, I don't know why they are so
popular.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> WOW!!!???  I just got it back in few seconds via the list???  WT etc?
>
> Whatever anybody did, thanks
>
> Oh, just noticed it has Cc to "WILTON."  That's probably what got it back
> to me.
>
> This old desktop with windows mail is lot easier for me to use with my
> spastic hands/fingers/arms than the iPad.
>
>
>
> Wilton
>


OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!


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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I hear Putin and Xi and Kim all love Benzes

--R


On 10/1/15 11:17 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I've moved my account to Hillary's server, no problems with my email or the
list.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Try a tracert to okiebenz.com.  See if it goes through or hangs somewhere.

Better if kleb can do a tracert from okiebenz.com to your IP.  May be an
ATT server down somewhere along the line.  I have found that situation
before.





I got nothing yesterday or Tuesday night.

A couple things trickled in last night and I just started seeing stuff
now.

Dan

  On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  Wilton,

  We are getting your messages on the list; perhaps you are not getting
any
  list traffic?  It's been moderately busy the last couple days.

  -
  Max
  Charleston SC

  On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes <


  > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
  >


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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Ohhh Andrew...

You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...

We call it "real life" out here.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
> > burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> > generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> > >
> > > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
> heat
> > > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
> > share".
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

A fwe years down the road, there should be a way to retrofit a primitive
(non-digital) key so you don't have to incur a towing expense greater than
the value of the depreciated vehicle.


Fortunately, my ways to avoid paying for tows and $500 keys are to 
stick with 123, 124 and 126 cars, with real keys.


I don't know if MB has gone as far as toada and eliminated the last 
vestiges of a key for the uncontrollable "please sir, may i start the 
car?" button, but most of the current cars don't have a real switch. 
only an electronic signal to ask the computer to start the car.  I am 
not sure this system could be retrofitted with a real key and switch.


There will be cars getting junked because it is not worth the price 
of a tow and a $500 "sftware key".



I was getting concerned about the dogde getting close to the count 
where a "key" deactivates.  Then a recall came along to replace the 
fubar fobik, otherwise known as a "key."  So, I figured that would 
give us two new "keys" and we'd likely never reach the count where 
the key disables itself.


After the new "keys" were delivered, it now takes 4 clicks to get the 
right side doors unlocked, and 2 clicks to get the left doors 
unlocked.  Not so good!


I love the veteran MBs with real keys that will shut off gassers, and 
will shut off the Diesels if they are working right.   I like the 
vaccum locking system for its near silence, compared to the loud 
clunkbuzz of the dogde.


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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> >
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> share".
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Yes.. exactly..

Sarcastic I am.. ;))

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> >
> > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and heat
> > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
> share".
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>
> By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and heat
> footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair share".
>
>
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[MBZ] This might make Jaime weak in the knees

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1976 Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5246920963.html

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Re: [MBZ] This might make Jaime weak in the knees

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Can anyone read the MSRP?  Lovely color but sh*tty model year

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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What state?  How far from the border?


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> And real "fun."  ;<)
>
> BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "G Mann" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
>
>
> Ohhh Andrew...
>>
>> You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
>> from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
>> across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
>> malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...
>>
>> We call it "real life" out here.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
>>> gallon
>>> > burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
>>> > generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Max
>>> > Charleston SC
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> > >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>>> > >
>>> > > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
>>> heat
>>> > > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
>>> > share".
>>> > >
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers an trez passers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I'd call that goods hootin'



Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle tubing
that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of it
after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"



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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle tubing
that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of it
after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"

Andrew,
Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> And real "fun."  ;<)
>
> BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "G Mann" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
>
>
>
> Ohhh Andrew...
>>
>> You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
>> from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
>> across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
>> malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...
>>
>> We call it "real life" out here.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
>>> gallon
>>> > burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
>>> > generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Max
>>> > Charleston SC
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> > >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>>> > >
>>> > > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
>>> heat
>>> > > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
>>> > share".
>>> > >
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Say hello to my leetle fren Meester Barrett...

--R



On 10/1/15 4:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle tubing
that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of it
after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"

Andrew,
Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:


And real "fun."  ;<)

BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers



Ohhh Andrew...

You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...

We call it "real life" out here.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >

gallon

burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:


A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.

By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and

heat

footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair

share".



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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The other part of this I think the greenie weenies at CARB miss is that by 
using more fuel we require more fuel trucks and refining capacity both of which 
produce more greenhouse gasses. Diesels could cut the US's use of foreign oil 
if they were allowed to exist without overly stringent emissions requirements.
-Curt
  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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Cc: Meade Dillon  
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
   
Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?

-
Max
Charleston SC



On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>
> By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and heat
> footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair share".
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You mustn't hitchike as you are then still part of the problem..

RB

On 01/10/2015 1:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per gallon
burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 

Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oh man, we gotta have a pic of that.
The gun or the Jeep, I don't care which...
-Curt
  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: G Mann  
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 4:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
   
Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle tubing
that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of it
after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"

Andrew,
Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> And real "fun."  ;<)
>
> BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "G Mann" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
>
>
>
> Ohhh Andrew...
>>
>> You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
>> from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
>> across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
>> malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...
>>
>> We call it "real life" out here.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
>>> gallon
>>> > burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
>>> > generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Max
>>> > Charleston SC
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> > >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>>> > >
>>> > > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
>>> heat
>>> > > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
>>> > share".
>>> > >
>>> > >
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[WILTON via Mercedes]

And real "fun."  ;<)

BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?

Wilton

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From: "G Mann via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers



Ohhh Andrew...

You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 miles
from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any civilization...
across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no shopping
malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...

We call it "real life" out here.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per 
> gallon

> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> >
> > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
heat
> > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
> share".
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Si SI mi amigo, con mucho gusto.

El Senior Barrett es mas fino, pero lo siento mui dinaro.grande.

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> Say hello to my leetle fren Meester Barrett...
>
> --R
>
>
>
>
> On 10/1/15 4:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Wilton,
>> Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle
>> tubing
>> that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
>> open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
>> that lock it in place.
>>
>> Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
>> of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.
>>
>> 20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
>> markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
>> site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
>> for that one reads "Next".
>>
>> To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
>> beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of
>> it
>> after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
>> open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
>> party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
>> themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
>> them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.
>>
>> It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
>> they needed to "walk to town" on their own..
>>
>> 2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
>> point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
>> the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
>> rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
>> of transmission.
>> Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"
>>
>> Andrew,
>> Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And real "fun."  ;<)
>>>
>>> BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Cc: "G Mann" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ohhh Andrew...
>>>
 You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14
 miles
 from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any
 civilization...
 across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no
 shopping
 malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...

 We call it "real life" out here.

 On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
>>
> gallon
>
>> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
>> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
>>>
>>> By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
>>>
>> heat
>
>> footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
>>>
>> share".
>>
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Re: [MBZ] This might make Jaime weak in the knees

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Colors are great, but those 450s are sooo borig.

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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I wonder if a sign "Warning, dog humps newcomers" would keep people out or 
bring them in?
-Curt

  From: OK Don 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers
   
Both, preferably together . . .
We keep intruders out with a sign posted that says "Warning, ugly, old, fat 
nudists live here, enter at your own risk".


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Oh man, we gotta have a pic of that.
The gun or the Jeep, I don't care which...
-Curt
  





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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Sounds like a nuclear weapons storage compound.   ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "G Mann via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers



Wilton,
Thanks for asking. It is a "real gate" made from 3/16 wall rectangle 
tubing

that weighs about 1,500 lbs, 20 ft across, on railroad track to "roll
open". When closed, the ends are fully encapsulated with vertical uprights
that lock it in place.

Sign on front gate reads "Entry beyond this point by invitation only. Use
of deadly force authorized." in 5 languages.

20 ft back and to one side are what appears to be 3 graves, 2 with head
markers that read "Trespasser #1 and Trespasser #2" ... The third grave
site is open [only takes a few minutes with a backhoe] and the head marker
for that one reads "Next".

To the other side, there is a 4 yr old, jacked up jeep 4X4, with an open
beer cooler in the back and it still has the old gate laying in front of 
it

after bulldozing it down. It also has the engine destroyed and hood blown
open from a .50 Cal. round going through the block after the un-invited
party drove through the gate, destroyed it, then stopped to relieve
themselves and get fresh beers.. I happened to be on the mountain watching
them when it happened sighting in the .50 cal. for a competition shoot.

It seems the one round was all the deterrent force needed to convince them
they needed to "walk to town" on their own..

2,600' shot, 800' elevated position, 3 mph quartering wind, bullet entry
point was 2 inches below hood line, trajectory was then through the top of
the water pump [V8 engine] center of engine, through the cam, rods, crank
rear 3 journals, clutch, then the transmission, exit approximately center
of transmission.
Visitors refer to it as the "Welcome Wagon"

Andrew,
Arizona Just barely far enough from the border .. usually.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:


And real "fun."  ;<)

BTW, is that a GATE gate or a cattle gate?

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers



Ohhh Andrew...


You really do have to get out of the DC Beltway more often.. It's 14 
miles
from my front gate to the Ranch house... another 40 to any 
civilization...
across the desert.. you know.. no Starbucks.. no latte shops.. no 
shopping

malls.. no public transport.. 118° heat...

We call it "real life" out here.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

That's why you should bike, walk or hitchhike everywhere.


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Didn't you mean to say, "by using more fuel, you pollute less [per >
gallon
> burned but pollute more overall because you're burning more gallons],
> generate a LARGER carbon and heat footprint"?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:13 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > A clear case of better living by government regulation, I believe.
> >
> > By using more fuel, you pollute less, generate a smaller carbon and
heat
> > footprint, and contribute to the social order as part of your "fair
> share".
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This might make Jaime weak in the knees

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Total price was $26,032.95. The color is sh*tty, the year isn't bad if you
replace the exhaust system with a '77 or later one (CATs under the floor).
For reference, my '78 450SLC sold for $28,000+, the same as our house at
that time, also built in '78.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Can anyone read the MSRP?  Lovely color but sh*tty model year
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Both, preferably together . . .

We keep intruders out with a sign posted that says "Warning, ugly, old, fat
nudists live here, enter at your own risk".

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh man, we gotta have a pic of that.
> The gun or the Jeep, I don't care which...
> -Curt
>
>
>


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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> I was just a minute ago, but left.

I am right.
Isn't this too political?  left...right
mao

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[MBZ] some punks

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

Folks

we had a spare driver's glass in our boneyard, so after lots of vacuuming of 
glass

fortunately it wasn't even in a door, so i just grabbed it

once at home so i could drive to the office and again when i had the door 
opened up, i installed the new piece

it goes up and down with only a couple of scrapes on glass in the track
thanks,

xx rick
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[MBZ] The 98 300 D that has been resting for three years

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

So I finally tracked down the owner of the shop and he said he would take
$1,200 for the 300d that has been sitting for two and a half years. Just as
a reminder, I found out via CARFAX that this car has had all its services
done regularly at a dealer in either Phoenix or Texas. So needless to say,
I'm going to buy a new battery tomorrow and take him $1,200. My question is
this can I just put the battery in it fire it up and if it runs, driving
home? It's about three miles to my house. Or do I need to worry about swap
and fuel or doing something knowing that the car has SAT for 3 years?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Extremely Dangerous Hurricane

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Hurricane Joaquin an 'extremely dangerous' category 4 storm, packing 
135 mph winds
The storm has dumped as many as 20 inches of rain on the Bahamas and 
continues its path toward the U.S. East Coast, forecasters said.


We hear nothing about the typhoons in the pacific and the damage done 
and lives lost there.  The media is so focused on DC to NYC to 
Bahstun, (where they hang out) they rarely report anything that 
happens elsewhere.


If joquin heads for the DC to bahstun area, it will be the "storm of 
the century" and CNNBS et al will have 24 hr blather about it.


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Re: [MBZ] This might make Jaime weak in the knees

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

I agree.

Boring.


> On Oct 1, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> 
> Colors are great, but those 450s are sooo borig.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
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[MBZ] Extremely Dangerous Hurricane

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Hurricane Joaquin an 'extremely dangerous' category 4 storm, packing 135 mph 
winds
The storm has dumped as many as 20 inches of rain on the Bahamas and continues 
its path toward the U.S. East Coast, forecasters said.

MIAMI, Oct. 1 (UPI) -- Hurricane Joaquin was upgraded to an "extremely 
dangerous" Category 4 storm Thursday afternoon with maximum sustained winds of 
135 mph winds, the National Hurricane Center said.

The storm is moving slowly to the southwest at about 6 mph, the center said, 
and is located about 70 miles from San Salvador in the Bahamas. Forecasters 
expect it to pick up forward speed when it turns north Friday.

Air Force Reserve "Hurricane Hunter" aircrafts found hurricane force winds 
extend some 45 miles from the center of the storm, and tropical force winds 
extend about 140 miles.

"Some additional strengthening is possible during the next 24 hours, with some 
fluctuations in intensity possible Friday night and Saturday," forecasters said.

Residents along the U.S. East Coast were on alert ahead of the storm shifting 
north, possibly making landfall in the Carolinas or the New York metro area.

Nearly every state from North Carolina to Connecticut was in the so-called 
"cone of uncertainty." Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, North Carolina Gov. Pat 
McCrory and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie declared states of emergency in 
their respective states. Heavy rains, unrelated to Hurricane Joaquin, have 
already fallen in the states, increasing the likelihood for additional flooding 
if Joaquin moves toward the East Coast.

"We know there is definitely going to be moderate and likely to be major 
flooding events in South Jersey Friday and Saturday with 5 to 6 inches of 
rainfall expected to come," Christie said in a Thursday morning press 
conference. "I'm not here to say Sandy II is coming. I have no way of knowing 
that. But what I want people to know is if it did, we're as prepared as you 
could be to deal with it."

We are prepared. I need everyone to not panic.
— Governor Christie (@GovChristie) October 1, 2015

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo urged caution, remembering damage from previous 
storms. The state emergency operations centers was activated Thursday 
afternoon, and the National Guard is on alert.

"Our state has seen the damage that extreme weather can cause time and time 
again -- and I am urging New Yorkers take precautions for more heavy storms in 
the coming days," Cuomo said. "Tropical Storm Lee and Hurricane Irene proved 
that you do not have to be near the coast to be impacted by Mother Nature. I 
have directed state agencies to ready their emergency response equipment in 
partnership with local governments, and I encourage all of our state's 
residents to be prepared and stay safe."

The National Hurricane Center said the storm's path is still unpredictable but 
wind speeds should intensify in the coming 24 hours. It will take a sharp turn 
toward the north on Friday, possibly tracking over North and South Carolina by 
early next week. Other tracks show the storm moving toward southern New England 
and Long Island. There is also a chance it will move into the Atlantic Ocean 
away from land.

Hurricane watches could be posted for portions of the United States coast by 
Thursday night.

"The range of possible outcomes is still large, and the possibility of a 
hurricane landfall in the Carolinas still cannot be ruled out," the National 
Hurricane Center said. "Because landfall, if it occurs, is still more than 
three days away, it's too early to talk about specific wind, rain or surge 
impacts from Joaquin in the U.S."

The storm has already dumped more than a foot of rain in the Bahamas and will 
continue battering the island chain for the next day or so. Forecasters said it 
could produce up to 20 inches of rain in some areas of the Bahamas, which could 
cause flash flooding.

Earlier Thursday, the Bahamian government issued a tropical storm warning for 
the Turks and Caicos islands. Hurricane warnings were in place in central and 
northwestern Bahamas, including Abacos, Berry Islands, Eleuthera, Grand Bahama 
Island and New Providence.

"A very dangerous and life-threatening storm surge will raise water levels by 
as much as 5 to 10 feet above normal tide levels in the central Bahamas in 
areas of onshore flow," forecasters said.

In Virginia, authorities were expecting 8 to 10 inches of rain early next week 
in a state already saturated by heavy downfalls. The executive order in 
Virginia, which is retroactive to Sept. 29, allows local and state emergency 
responders to begin preparations for expected flooding and power outages.

"I cannot stress enough the imperative for Virginians to focus on the 
rainstorms that are headed our way tomorrow and Friday, well before Hurricane 
Joaquin could potentially impact Virginia," McAuliffe said. "As we continue to 
track the path of Hurricane Joaquin, I have instructed the Secretary of Public 
Safety and Homeland 

Re: [MBZ] The 98 300 D that has been resting for three years

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Battery, new fuel filters (but I bet you don't need them).  Maybe jumper cables.

Worst case scenario, some electrical vermin will prevent the electronic IP from 
allowing fuel to flow.

So what was the problem that led to the long nap?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 1, 2015 8:27:59 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>So I finally tracked down the owner of the shop and he said he would
>take
>$1,200 for the 300d that has been sitting for two and a half years.
>Just as
>a reminder, I found out via CARFAX that this car has had all its
>services
>done regularly at a dealer in either Phoenix or Texas. So needless to
>say,
>I'm going to buy a new battery tomorrow and take him $1,200. My
>question is
>this can I just put the battery in it fire it up and if it runs,
>driving
>home? It's about three miles to my house. Or do I need to worry about
>swap
>and fuel or doing something knowing that the car has SAT for 3 years?
>
>Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] The 98 300 D that has been resting for three years

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well it's either going to start or it won't. If it starts drive it home, if not 
have it towed home. I would have been all over that thing. If it's been sitting 
that long with those plastic fuel lines it's possible the fuel had bleed off 
and you will have to crank the piss out of it to get it started. Or maybe I 
should come out there with my trailer.

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> On Oct 1, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So I finally tracked down the owner of the shop and he said he would take
> $1,200 for the 300d that has been sitting for two and a half years. Just as
> a reminder, I found out via CARFAX that this car has had all its services
> done regularly at a dealer in either Phoenix or Texas. So needless to say,
> I'm going to buy a new battery tomorrow and take him $1,200. My question is
> this can I just put the battery in it fire it up and if it runs, driving
> home? It's about three miles to my house. Or do I need to worry about swap
> and fuel or doing something knowing that the car has SAT for 3 years?
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Why the seller of the SDL poos was looking at is on crack

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Actually a pretty decent looking car.

With 148,000 on the clock, should have lots of miles left before the head
cracks or some other sin happens...

AC blower is not a bad fix.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> 1987 MERCEDES 300SDL TURBO DIESEL BLACK/ TAN COLLECTORS LOOK
> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5244974650.html
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Good points!  
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'95 E300

On October 1, 2015 2:14:11 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>The other part of this I think the greenie weenies at CARB miss is that
>by using more fuel we require more fuel trucks and refining capacity
>both of which produce more greenhouse gasses. Diesels could cut the
>US's use of foreign oil if they were allowed to exist without overly
>stringent emissions requirements.
>-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Extremely Dangerous Hurricane

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thus far Joaquin has only moved south and west, still waiting for it to turn 
north.  This storm is a tricky one...
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Re: [MBZ] watch out VW dizzelers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

It is hard to see anything (CARB) when your head in in a hole between 
your gluteus maximi


Asking goober in goobermnt to make logical decisions is counter to the kulture.


Good points! 
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 1, 2015 2:14:11 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

The other part of this I think the greenie weenies at CARB miss is that
by using more fuel we require more fuel trucks and refining capacity
both of which produce more greenhouse gasses. Diesels could cut the
US's use of foreign oil if they were allowed to exist without overly
stringent emissions requirements.

 >-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] This might make Jaime weak in the knees

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Me too.  What's the point of them anyway?

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  wrote:

> I agree.
>
> Boring.
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Re: [MBZ] Why the seller of the SDL poos was looking at is on crack

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There are several hints that it has been abused...

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:01 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Actually a pretty decent looking car.
>
> With 148,000 on the clock, should have lots of miles left before the head
> cracks or some other sin happens...
>
> AC blower is not a bad fix.
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] The 98 300 D that has been resting for three years

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The 200D sat for maybe 10 years.  Battery, crank, start.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Extremely Dangerous Hurricane

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Latest tracking model takes it well out to sea, then bending slightly
toward the coast near the NY-NJ line.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Thus far Joaquin has only moved south and west, still waiting for it to
> turn north.  This storm is a tricky one...
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