Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I've read and heard many things to indicate this countries financial 
system is too fragile and probably will fail, because not nearly 
enough reform has occurred and partly because the criminals 
associated with the crash of 2008 are still in place.  I'll bet many 
here remember the trials and jail sentences following the savings 
and loan crisis in the '80s.  B. Hussein Obama and Holder really 
failed us by not prosecuting and jailing A SINGLE bankster.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


+1  Amen  More BO corruption

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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

No we're not, just ask Kaleb!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The rich really are different.
>
> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

And the next time won't be indirect robbery, it will be direct robbery.




 > On December 11, 2015 at 9:19 AM Curly McLain via Mercedes

  wrote:

 +1  Amen  More GWB+BO corruption



Fixed it for you.
The focus of both administrations was the same:
How can we make the People pay for the mistakes of the banking industry?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 11, 2015 at 9:19 AM Curly McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> +1  Amen  More GWB+BO corruption


Fixed it for you. 
The focus of both administrations was the same:
How can we make the People pay for the mistakes of the banking industry?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well, the crisis started under W(tf)'s watch, and those prosecutions take time, 
so they should have occurred under B. Hussein O's watch.  You'd think that 
Democrats would be falling over themselves to jail some wall street fat cats.  
And now we come back to Trump, who told the country at the beginning of this 
campaign that he has bought influence with politicians, no doubt in my mind 
that has been a factor here.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 11, 2015 9:48:59 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>
>> On December 11, 2015 at 9:19 AM Curly McLain via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> +1  Amen  More GWB+BO corruption
>
>
>Fixed it for you. 
>The focus of both administrations was the same:
>How can we make the People pay for the mistakes of the banking
>industry?
>
>Mitch.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

The rich really are different.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 11 December 2015 14:19
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

>I've read and heard many things to indicate this countries financial
>system is too fragile and probably will fail, because not nearly
>enough reform has occurred and partly because the criminals
>associated with the crash of 2008 are still in place.  I'll bet many
>here remember the trials and jail sentences following the savings
>and loan crisis in the '80s.  B. Hussein Obama and Holder really
>failed us by not prosecuting and jailing A SINGLE bankster.
>--
>Max Dillon
>Charleston SC
>'87 300TD
>'95 E300

+1  Amen  More BO corruption

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Tampa CL

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

At that price you just drive it and keep it running, maybe a good kid's 
car or a second beater.


--R

On 12/10/15 10:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

And then what?  Needs painting, and who knows what else.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> wrote:


Looks decent, could probably get it for $1500?

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Dec 10, 2015, at 7:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5350983646.html

Interesting.

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [MBZ] 124 heater blower and windows, ign switch

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sorry, my wiring diagram in the "Intro to Service" book does not have
schematic info for the electric windows.  Power to Fuse 2 comes from the
ignition switch terminal 15R = rs/ge (pink with yellow stripe), as in my
post below.  According to my diagram, on the other side of fuse 2 are wires
that are SW/GE (black with yellow stripe) feeding power to relay N10,
mono-wiper motor M6/1, and stalk combination switch S4 (functions for wiper
speed, washer pumps, and optical horn).  Perhaps the N10 relay provides
power back through fuses G & H?  Neither of those fuses are on my diagram.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Under the fuse box, under Fuse 2 there is a wire with the insulation
> burned off from the use to as fat as I can see.  It appears that the
> insulation may have been while.  I did not see enough insulation to be sure.
>
> Fuse 2 includes "Window Lift terminal 86"
>
> There are the other two fuses for LF+RR and for RF+LR  so I am confused
> about why Fuse 2 involves windows.
>
> Anyone have an explanation?  Anyone BTDT?  I'm not sure how to
> troubleshoot this without understanding the schematic.
>
>
>
>
> Partial success.  After replacing the ign switch plug and splicing the
> wires, i have the blower.  I did not start the car to determine if hear and
> or AC work.
>
> Still no windows.
>
> Is there any source of electricity for all four windows that feed the
> fusebox where there is one fuse for 2 windows.
>
> Still  on the list:  Speedo and tach.  No more time to work on them yet.
>
>
>
> S2/2 = ignition switch terminals:
>> P = gn/ws (green with white stripe), goes to terminal P of exterior light
>> switch
>> 30 = rt (red), goes to X4 (terminal block, circuit 30 (fuse / relay box)
>> and eventually to the battery
>> 30 = rt (red), also goes to X4
>> 15R = rs/ge (pink with yellow stripe), goes to fuse 2
>> 15 = rs/st (pink with "st" stripe, I haven't succeeded in translating that
>> color abbreviation, anyone?), goes to fuse 7
>> 15X = rs/gn (pink with green stripe), goes to fuse 12
>> 50 = vi (violet or purple), goes to x49/2 then to starter lock-out /
>> backup
>> lamp switch.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Ronald wrote:
> 
> My 1987 MB 300sdl just started overheating

> Engine gets very hot even though the water in the expansion
> tank is still cold.  

> I have already had the thermostat replaced which did not
> make much difference except that the normal operating
> temperature is slightly higher.  

> I am thinking of replacing the fan clutch.  

The fan is for low car speeds - to replace the effect of ram
air. 

Missing information - when does it overheat?  

Is it when cruising down the highway, the temp gauge creeps
higher and higher?

Or start the engine cold and sometimes reaches operating temp
and stays there, other times the temp just keeps climbing?

Or it only happen when driving faster than 50 mph for more
than 20 minutes when the temp suddenly jumps?

Or 

> Is there much of a possibility that the water pump itself
> is worn out?

Yes - not very common though.  This would be a very
predictable, every single time the works hard enough it
overheats.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

You can check the flow without removing the radiator.  Just drain and
disconnect hoses.  Leave the top hose connected to the radiator and pour
water in the top (or run a hose in the top).  But some owners have reported
getting more than one bad thermostat,

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 1:45 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating
> 
> If there's no circulation through the radiator, you would have the
conditions
> you describe.
> 
> Can you drive it at low speeds without it overheating?  That's a dead
> giveaway for a partially blocked radiator.
> 
> When the rate of flow increases but the radiator can't pass it, it can't
dump
> enough heat into the core/air flowing through the radiator. Forcing the
fan
> clutch to work at 100% would increase airflow under some circumstances and
> resultingly increase the amount of heat to be dumped to atmosphere,
> (slightly) increasing efficiency.  However, when the maximum flow rate is
> reached, that heat just stays in the engine.
> 
> You can remove the radiator a do a quick flow test at home. Just try
running a
> while garden hose of water through the radiator and see how well it
handles
> it, as well as how long it takes to drain down once filled.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Dec 11, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Time to do a citric acid flush?  Sounds like things could be clogged up.
Or is
> this engine prone to the air bubbles and the magic filling methods?
> >
> > --R
> >
> >> On 12/11/15 1:19 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote:
> >> My 1987 MB 300sdl just started overheating on a road trip to Florida
from
> Rhode Island.I do not appear to be getting proper water circulation.
Engine
> gets very hot even though the water in the expansion tank is still cold.
If I
> feel along the radiator it is a little warm at the top but cold everywhere
else.
> I have already had the thermostat replaced which did not make much
> difference except that the normal operating temperature is slightly
higher.  I
> tried to bind up the fan clutch so that it drives constantly that appeared
to
> work  for a short while until the wire ties I used to bind it up failed.
I am
> thinking of replacing the fan clutch.  Is there much of a possibility that
the
> water pump itself is worn out?  Its not leaking.When the car gets hot
the
> radiator hoses gets rock hard and their does not appear to be any
circulation
> through the radiator. That is when the top of the radiator is warm and all
else
> cold. There is no immediate production of pressure upon a cold
> > start up, bubbling into the expansion tank/reservoir. The car starts
easily
> and does not sound like an overheated motor even when the temp gauge
> indicates it is very warm.  Any ideas?  Ron Courcy
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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

thinking of replacing the fan clutch.  Is there much of a possibility 
that the water pump itself is worn out?  Its not leaking.


Everybody always wants it not to be the radiator.  Usually
it's the radiator.

If it's properly full, and the head gasket is good, and you've a
good thermostat, then it's the radiator.  Unless it's overheating
in stop-n-go and/or at idle.  Then it might be the fan clutch.

-- Jim
 



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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl over heating

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds like the root cause is a coolant leak, and now that the engine 
temperature has been so high, the thermostat may have been damaged and is 
suspect.

Coolant leaves a white chalky residue at the leak location; find the leak by 
looking for that trace, or use a pressure tester.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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[MBZ] Burned wiring WAS: 124 heater blower and windows, ign switch

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I found the schematics on Dave M's website.  That helps a lot! so 
don't worry about the schematics, that is covered.  I'd still like a 
copy of the whole sheet if you find a copy center that does 
engineering drawings.  What I found has 0ver 150 pages, so it is hard 
to comprehend the more complicated systems.


I dug around today and found more bare wires in front of the 
gearshift.  and to the right of it.   THE SRS relay (computer) had 
the whole harness burned,  I got it loose and threw it out this 
afternoon.   Most of the damaged wires I can deal with, either by 
replacing sections or by painting with "liquid tape" or covering with 
shrink tubing or combinations.  I first cut out all the radio related 
wiring except the speaker wires to the 4 corners.  (and the faceless 
sony baloney radio)


I did get the drivers window to work last night by applying power to 
fuseG.  Thankfully, the switch wiring under the winder switches are 
not melted.


There is one 3 wire bundle that I can't identify.  One wire appears 
to be black/red, and one is brown or brown with a trace.  Under the 
ashtray, one wire has a single round pin make/female plug on it, 
similar to the one near the GP Relay on 1981+ 123, 124 and 126 
Diesels.  The front ends were burned through.  The harness is burned 
the entire length to where it goes down on the right side of the 
tunnel near the rear of the console.  I cut into it a couple inches 
from where it disappears.


Can anyone help identify this 3 wire harness?

I have a few more wires to splice, but I expect to start testing 
functions tomorrow sometime.


The black yellow wire from fuse 2 to the window relay apparently 
needs to be replaced so that fuses G and H get power.   I need to 
replace it or run a switched Bat+ wire to the fusebox, bypassing the 
relay.





Sorry, my wiring diagram in the "Intro to Service" book does not have
schematic info for the electric windows.  Power to Fuse 2 comes from the
ignition switch terminal 15R = rs/ge (pink with yellow stripe), as in my
post below.  According to my diagram, on the other side of fuse 2 are wires
that are SW/GE (black with yellow stripe) feeding power to relay N10,
mono-wiper motor M6/1, and stalk combination switch S4 (functions for wiper
speed, washer pumps, and optical horn).  Perhaps the N10 relay provides
power back through fuses G & H?  Neither of those fuses are on my diagram.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 Under the fuse box, under Fuse 2 there is a wire with the insulation
 burned off from the use to as fat as I can see.  It appears that the
 insulation may have been while.  I did not see enough insulation to be sure.

 Fuse 2 includes "Window Lift terminal 86"

 There are the other two fuses for LF+RR and for RF+LR  so I am confused
 about why Fuse 2 involves windows.

 Anyone have an explanation?  Anyone BTDT?  I'm not sure how to
 troubleshoot this without understanding the schematic.




 Partial success.  After replacing the ign switch plug and splicing the
 wires, i have the blower.  I did not start the car to determine if hear and
 or AC work.

 Still no windows.

 Is there any source of electricity for all four windows that feed the
 fusebox where there is one fuse for 2 windows.

 Still  on the list:  Speedo and tach.  No more time to work on them yet.



 S2/2 = ignition switch terminals:

 P = gn/ws (green with white stripe), goes to terminal P of exterior light
 switch
 30 = rt (red), goes to X4 (terminal block, circuit 30 (fuse / relay box)
 and eventually to the battery
 30 = rt (red), also goes to X4
 15R = rs/ge (pink with yellow stripe), goes to fuse 2
 15 = rs/st (pink with "st" stripe, I haven't succeeded in translating that
 color abbreviation, anyone?), goes to fuse 7
 15X = rs/gn (pink with green stripe), goes to fuse 12

 >> 50 = vi (violet or purple), goes to x49/2 then to starter lock-out /

 backup
 lamp switch.

 Hope that helps!

 -
 Max
 Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Kleb the Krazy Electrician Sez:  Most likely the new thermostat is bad

Sent from my iPhone


+1

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[MBZ] 300sdl over heating

[Ronald Courcy via Mercedes]

I had driven close to 1000 miles on the trip,  mostly at about 65 mph, before 
overheating became an  issue. At that time I could not  get heat from the 
heater or defroster ( low coolant level). Not the easiest car to purge the air 
out of the cooling system.  When it was at worst the car quickly heated up if 
driven at low speeds or if  forward motion was delayed by traffic or a traffic 
light.  Drove last  150 miles of the trip to Florida  at 50 mph as temp would 
approach 120 c if driven slower or faster. Used the car today for a short 
errand  ( 9 miles one direction)  ran defroster to maximize cooling, car did 
not overheat even in traffic,stayed about 90 degree c . On return trip I did 
not run the defroster, no over heating.  Both drives no more than 55 mph. Even 
heating of radiator at conclusion of drive.  I don't think there is a blockage 
as the radiator heats up evenly when the car is not overheating.  Ron Courcy
  
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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I've read and heard many things to indicate this countries financial system is 
too fragile and probably will fail, because not nearly enough reform has 
occurred and partly because the criminals associated with the crash of 2008 are 
still in place.  I'll bet many here remember the trials and jail sentences 
following the savings and loan crisis in the '80s.  B. Hussein Obama and Holder 
really failed us by not prosecuting and jailing A SINGLE bankster.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 10, 2015 6:52:35 PM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Whoever the next Pres is, I hope they put in someone like Cruz as AG, 
>and the new AG brings up pillary on multiple charges, including 
>treason, and gets convictions, then goes on down the list.  Should be 
>some more ppl whose name starts with C prosecuted also.  There should 
>be a lot of high profile trials.
>

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[MBZ] OT B-70 landing issue

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/xb-70-fiery-emergency-landing-1747527579

"It turned out that the problem was caused by a circuit breaker 
malfunction, and short-circuiting the unit would solve the landing gear 
problem. But with no tool kit on hand, Cotton rummaged through his 
briefcase and found a binder clip which he used to short circuit the 
breaker [in the billion dollar aircraft -- R]."


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.
Gee. I did not know that you and Kaleb were billionaires. Though you are both, 
er, um, different.
Fred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 11 December 2015 16:58
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

No we're not, just ask Kaleb!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The rich really are different.
>
> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

"I am Elmer Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht."

Dan wascally wabbit

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> On Dec 11, 2015, at 1:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> People who have airstrips and yachts are usually rich. Kaleb has an airstrip, 
> Max has a yacht.
> Gerry
> 
>> Gee. I did not know that you and Kaleb were billionaires. Though you are 
>> both, er, um, different.
>> Fred.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Meade Dillon via 
>> Mercedes 
>> Sent: 11 December 2015 16:58
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Meade Dillon
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre
>> 
>> No we're not, just ask Kaleb!
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The rich really are different.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Not only do I have a yacht, I have TWO (count 'em! TWO) Mar-say-deez...

Kaleb can't even count all of his.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 1:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> People who have airstrips and yachts are usually rich. Kaleb has an
> airstrip, Max has a yacht.
> Gerry
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 11, 2015 at 1:58 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Most likely the new thermostat is bad

Is it possible to put it in backwards?

And did the problem get worse or stay the same with T-stat replacement?

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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curly wrote:
> And the next time won't be indirect robbery, it will be direct robbery.

I suggest NOT robbery, but simple pure confiscation.
Robbery is among equals, confiscation is taking, pure and simple
because of power.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Fred wrote:
> The rich really are different.

I thought that was called "American Dream"

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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Time to do a citric acid flush?  Sounds like things could be clogged 
up.  Or is this engine prone to the air bubbles and the magic filling 
methods?


--R

On 12/11/15 1:19 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote:

My 1987 MB 300sdl just started overheating on a road trip to Florida from Rhode 
Island.I do not appear to be getting proper water circulation. Engine gets very 
hot even though the water in the expansion tank is still cold.  If I feel along 
the radiator it is a little warm at the top but cold everywhere else.  I have 
already had the thermostat replaced which did not make much difference except 
that the normal operating temperature is slightly higher.  I tried to bind up 
the fan clutch so that it drives constantly that appeared to work  for a short 
while until the wire ties I used to bind it up failed.  I am thinking of 
replacing the fan clutch.  Is there much of a possibility that the water pump 
itself is worn out?  Its not leaking.When the car gets hot the radiator 
hoses gets rock hard and their does not appear to be any circulation through 
the radiator. That is when the top of the radiator is warm and all else cold. 
There is no immediate production of pressure upon a cold star

t up, bubbling into the expansion tank/reservoir. The car starts easily and 
does not sound like an overheated motor even when the temp gauge indicates it 
is very warm.  Any ideas?  Ron Courcy 

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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If near Charleston SC, Rich and I are here.  You're probably on I-95
though, not very close to us, but we ARE worth the trip!

Step 1: verify your instrument cluster gauge is correct, use recently
passed Harbor Freight coupon to get an IR non-contact thermometer, measure
engine temp at the front top of cylinder head at the coolant outlet.(where
the sensor is).

My personal belief is that the fan does nothing when the car is moving
faster than about 30-40 mph.


-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My 1987 MB 300sdl just started overheating on a road trip to Florida from
> Rhode Island.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

People who have airstrips and yachts are usually rich. Kaleb has an airstrip, 
Max has a yacht.
Gerry

> Gee. I did not know that you and Kaleb were billionaires. Though you are 
> both, er, um, different.
> Fred.
> 
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Meade Dillon via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: 11 December 2015 16:58
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Meade Dillon
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pol Theatre
> 
> No we're not, just ask Kaleb!
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > The rich really are different.
> >
> > 
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Most likely the new thermostat is bad

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 1987 MB 300sdl just started overheating on a road trip to Florida from 
> Rhode Island.I do not appear to be getting proper water circulation. Engine 
> gets very hot even though the water in the expansion tank is still cold.  If 
> I feel along the radiator it is a little warm at the top but cold everywhere 
> else.  I have already had the thermostat replaced which did not make much 
> difference except that the normal operating temperature is slightly higher.  
> I tried to bind up the fan clutch so that it drives constantly that appeared 
> to work  for a short while until the wire ties I used to bind it up failed.  
> I am thinking of replacing the fan clutch.  Is there much of a possibility 
> that the water pump itself is worn out?  Its not leaking.When the car 
> gets hot the radiator hoses gets rock hard and their does not appear to be 
> any circulation through the radiator. That is when the top of the radiator is 
> warm and all else cold. There is no immediate production of pressure upon a 
> cold star
 t up, bubbling into the expansion tank/reservoir. The car starts easily and 
does not sound like an overheated motor even when the temp gauge indicates it 
is very warm.  Any ideas?  Ron Courcy 
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[MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Ronald Courcy via Mercedes]

My 1987 MB 300sdl just started overheating on a road trip to Florida from Rhode 
Island.I do not appear to be getting proper water circulation. Engine gets very 
hot even though the water in the expansion tank is still cold.  If I feel along 
the radiator it is a little warm at the top but cold everywhere else.  I have 
already had the thermostat replaced which did not make much difference except 
that the normal operating temperature is slightly higher.  I tried to bind up 
the fan clutch so that it drives constantly that appeared to work  for a short 
while until the wire ties I used to bind it up failed.  I am thinking of 
replacing the fan clutch.  Is there much of a possibility that the water pump 
itself is worn out?  Its not leaking.When the car gets hot the radiator 
hoses gets rock hard and their does not appear to be any circulation through 
the radiator. That is when the top of the radiator is warm and all else cold. 
There is no immediate production of pressure upon a cold start 
 up, bubbling into the expansion tank/reservoir. The car starts easily and does 
not sound like an overheated motor even when the temp gauge indicates it is 
very warm.  Any ideas?  Ron Courcy
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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[OK Don via Mercedes]

That sure sounds like water is not circulating - either a bad/broken water
pump, or a blockage somewhere.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My 1987 MB 300sdl just started overheating on a road trip to Florida from
> Rhode Island.I do not appear to be getting proper water circulation. Engine
> gets very hot even though the water in the expansion tank is still cold.
> If I feel along the radiator it is a little warm at the top but cold
> everywhere else.  I have already had the thermostat replaced which did not
> make much difference except that the normal operating temperature is
> slightly higher.  I tried to bind up the fan clutch so that it drives
> constantly that appeared to work  for a short while until the wire ties I
> used to bind it up failed.  I am thinking of replacing the fan clutch.  Is
> there much of a possibility that the water pump itself is worn out?  Its
> not leaking.When the car gets hot the radiator hoses gets rock hard and
> their does not appear to be any circulation through the radiator. That is
> when the top of the radiator is warm and all else cold. There is no
> immediate production of pressure upon a cold start up, bubbling into the
> expansion tank/reservoir. The car starts easily and does not sound like an
> overheated motor even when the temp gauge indicates it is very warm.  Any
> ideas?  Ron Courcy
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Re: [MBZ] OT B-70 landing issue

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I would rate the fire-team response as a near fail.  The first team wasn't
even close to the aircraft when it stopped the roll-out, I wish the film
had continued so we could see how much longer it took for foam or water to
be put on the burning wheels.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> http://oppositelock.kinja.com/xb-70-fiery-emergency-landing-1747527579
>
> "It turned out that the problem was caused by a circuit breaker
> malfunction, and short-circuiting the unit would solve the landing gear
> problem. But with no tool kit on hand, Cotton rummaged through his
> briefcase and found a binder clip which he used to short circuit the
> breaker [in the billion dollar aircraft -- R]."
>
> --R
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If there's no circulation through the radiator, you would have the conditions 
you describe.

Can you drive it at low speeds without it overheating?  That's a dead giveaway 
for a partially blocked radiator.

When the rate of flow increases but the radiator can't pass it, it can't dump 
enough heat into the core/air flowing through the radiator. Forcing the fan 
clutch to work at 100% would increase airflow under some circumstances and 
resultingly increase the amount of heat to be dumped to atmosphere, (slightly) 
increasing efficiency.  However, when the maximum flow rate is reached, that 
heat just stays in the engine.

You can remove the radiator a do a quick flow test at home. Just try running a 
while garden hose of water through the radiator and see how well it handles it, 
as well as how long it takes to drain down once filled.

Dan

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> On Dec 11, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Time to do a citric acid flush?  Sounds like things could be clogged up.  Or 
> is this engine prone to the air bubbles and the magic filling methods?
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 12/11/15 1:19 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote:
>> My 1987 MB 300sdl just started overheating on a road trip to Florida from 
>> Rhode Island.I do not appear to be getting proper water circulation. Engine 
>> gets very hot even though the water in the expansion tank is still cold.  If 
>> I feel along the radiator it is a little warm at the top but cold everywhere 
>> else.  I have already had the thermostat replaced which did not make much 
>> difference except that the normal operating temperature is slightly higher.  
>> I tried to bind up the fan clutch so that it drives constantly that appeared 
>> to work  for a short while until the wire ties I used to bind it up failed.  
>> I am thinking of replacing the fan clutch.  Is there much of a possibility 
>> that the water pump itself is worn out?  Its not leaking.When the car 
>> gets hot the radiator hoses gets rock hard and their does not appear to be 
>> any circulation through the radiator. That is when the top of the radiator 
>> is warm and all else cold. There is no immediate production of pressure upon 
>> a cold
> start up, bubbling into the expansion tank/reservoir. The car starts easily 
> and does not sound like an overheated motor even when the temp gauge 
> indicates it is very warm.  Any ideas?  Ron Courcy   
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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl overheating

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Running the heater on full can provide additional cooling to help you limp
along a little faster.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 300sdl over heating

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Sounds more like trapped air now.  Check the coolant level and top up as
needed before each cold start for a while.  My 82 SD would trap air unless I
jacked the front and revved the engine to get the coolant moving.  Filling
at the upper radiator hose (detached at the engine) vs the radiator cap
worked best for me.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Ronald Courcy via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:55 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Ronald Courcy 
> Subject: [MBZ] 300sdl over heating
> 
> I had driven close to 1000 miles on the trip,  mostly at about 65 mph,
before
> overheating became an  issue. At that time I could not  get heat from the
> heater or defroster ( low coolant level). Not the easiest car to purge the
air
> out of the cooling system.  When it was at worst the car quickly heated up
if
> driven at low speeds or if  forward motion was delayed by traffic or a
traffic
> light.  Drove last  150 miles of the trip to Florida  at 50 mph as temp
would
> approach 120 c if driven slower or faster. Used the car today for a short
> errand  ( 9 miles one direction)  ran defroster to maximize cooling, car
did not
> overheat even in traffic,stayed about 90 degree c . On return trip I did
not run
> the defroster, no over heating.  Both drives no more than 55 mph. Even
> heating of radiator at conclusion of drive.  I don't think there is a
blockage as
> the radiator heats up evenly when the car is not overheating.  Ron Courcy
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