Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I pulled the plug from the EDS computer.  I found the tach signal 
voltage in the plug to the computer, but I have no signal out of the 
computer.


According to the ETM, the output is pin 25, but I see no pin for 
input.  There is no ID of pins in the computer or in the plug.  Has 
anyone seen any pinout for the ESD Computer?


I could run a jumper to the tach from the plug to check the tach, I suppose.
or swap out the EDS Computer
or dig into the harness and find the white/ in and the black/red out 
and jump them.


Next: to get a speedo cable  Then I'll figure out which option. 
Since the EDS is disconnected, I'm thinking just jump the tach in to 
the tach out.


Anyone have a spare speedometer cable or a drivers seat adjustment switch?




Curly.
As before, the only place that I lost the tach signal was from a 
broken ground wire at the battery ground lug.
Under the bolt were 3 or 4 thin ground wires, all broken on mine. 
repair of the wires restored the tach to normal.

The ground wire is after the connector near the battery.
I have a spare EDS box that you could try.
YMMV. Fred
300TDt 1987 x2


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly 
McLain via Mercedes 

Sent: 07 January 2016 20:39
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

Got back to checking tach and speedo taday.  Pulled the head, cable
no turney, so looks like I need a new cable.  Tach has no signal at
the head, but did have a signal behind the battery.  so, it appears
like either there is no signal coming out of the EDS computer or the
wire from the EDS computer to the head is lacking continuity.

According to 136 in the 124 ETM, at the output of the EDS computer,
there are 2 wires.  One runs to the tach, one to the Klima (now
called in the book "A/C compressor control relay")  Both wires are
green/yellow.

So it appears that if i find a signal at the klima relay, then the
other wire is broken.  If there is no signal at the klima, then
likely the EDS Comp is bad.  (or the wire from the EDS comp to the
Klima is broken (not likely)

Does anyone have any experience with either?  Thanks

87 300D
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Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly.
As before, the only place that I lost the tach signal was from a broken ground 
wire at the battery ground lug.
Under the bolt were 3 or 4 thin ground wires, all broken on mine. repair of the 
wires restored the tach to normal.
The ground wire is after the connector near the battery.
I have a spare EDS box that you could try.
YMMV. Fred
300TDt 1987 x2


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 07 January 2016 20:39
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

Got back to checking tach and speedo taday.  Pulled the head, cable
no turney, so looks like I need a new cable.  Tach has no signal at
the head, but did have a signal behind the battery.  so, it appears
like either there is no signal coming out of the EDS computer or the
wire from the EDS computer to the head is lacking continuity.

According to 136 in the 124 ETM, at the output of the EDS computer,
there are 2 wires.  One runs to the tach, one to the Klima (now
called in the book "A/C compressor control relay")  Both wires are
green/yellow.

So it appears that if i find a signal at the klima relay, then the
other wire is broken.  If there is no signal at the klima, then
likely the EDS Comp is bad.  (or the wire from the EDS comp to the
Klima is broken (not likely)

Does anyone have any experience with either?  Thanks

87 300D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I understand they have been sighted in Brazil too

http://i0.wp.com/hughmacleod.com/wp-content/uploads/brazilian_beaver.jpg

-_R

On 1/7/16 3:49 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Beavers were extinct in UK from 16th century on, but have been reintroduced, 
sometime last century.
I like beavers and bearded clams too.
fred.



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Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly.
The ring gear pickup L3 sits between pin 20- ws and pin 3- br/ge of N39 the EDS 
control unit.
The output from pin 25 gn/sw goes to the test skt X29/4 then to N6 (Klima) pin 
2 gn/sw and via X26 gn/ge to the instrument cluster A1 P7 marked TD (no pin 
number indicated).
Confused yet.
Fred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 07 January 2016 22:37
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

I pulled the plug from the EDS computer.  I found the tach signal
voltage in the plug to the computer, but I have no signal out of the
computer.

According to the ETM, the output is pin 25, but I see no pin for
input.  There is no ID of pins in the computer or in the plug.  Has
anyone seen any pinout for the ESD Computer?

I could run a jumper to the tach from the plug to check the tach, I suppose.
or swap out the EDS Computer
or dig into the harness and find the white/ in and the black/red out
and jump them.

Next: to get a speedo cable  Then I'll figure out which option.
Since the EDS is disconnected, I'm thinking just jump the tach in to
the tach out.

Anyone have a spare speedometer cable or a drivers seat adjustment switch?



>Curly.
>As before, the only place that I lost the tach signal was from a
>broken ground wire at the battery ground lug.
>Under the bolt were 3 or 4 thin ground wires, all broken on mine.
>repair of the wires restored the tach to normal.
>The ground wire is after the connector near the battery.
>I have a spare EDS box that you could try.
>YMMV. Fred
>300TDt 1987 x2
>
>
>From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly
>McLain via Mercedes 
>Sent: 07 January 2016 20:39
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
>Cc: Curly McLain
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers
>
>Got back to checking tach and speedo taday.  Pulled the head, cable
>no turney, so looks like I need a new cable.  Tach has no signal at
>the head, but did have a signal behind the battery.  so, it appears
>like either there is no signal coming out of the EDS computer or the
>wire from the EDS computer to the head is lacking continuity.
>
>According to 136 in the 124 ETM, at the output of the EDS computer,
>there are 2 wires.  One runs to the tach, one to the Klima (now
>called in the book "A/C compressor control relay")  Both wires are
>green/yellow.
>
>So it appears that if i find a signal at the klima relay, then the
>other wire is broken.  If there is no signal at the klima, then
>likely the EDS Comp is bad.  (or the wire from the EDS comp to the
>Klima is broken (not likely)
>
>Does anyone have any experience with either?  Thanks
>
>87 300D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Good ones Fred.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jan 7, 2016 3:49 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Beavers were extinct in UK from 16th century on, but have been
> reintroduced, sometime last century.
> I like beavers and bearded clams too.
> fred.
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via
> Mercedes 
> Sent: 07 January 2016 20:36
> To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual,
>  poll confirms
>
> The goal was to reduce flooding - plant trees, let the beavers make dams
> with them, thus stop flooding. However, I thought that beavers were US
> animals, not UK - so it doesn't make sense to me either.
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[MBZ] Quick Flip for Jaime

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2540258-fs-1995-e320-special-edition-99k.html#post13603410

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT and now for something completely different

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKFitOwOrN0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b78AmeYdI2M


> On January 6, 2016 at 11:16 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> In KY some of them have tractors with a "road gear" installed so they 
> will go pretty fast.  They hook an enclosed wagon on the back for the 
> wimmins and chirruns to ride in to Walmart and Tractor Supply and 
> Lowes.  Safer than buggies but some of them still do buggies too.

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Re: [MBZ] OT and now for something completely different

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Mitch Sez:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKFitOwOrN0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b78AmeYdI2M


Looks like a truck front axle/tires.  That works for high speed.  I 
wonder where he got high speed rear tires.


Although Titan has done wonders with tires for backhoes and probably 
loaders.  I see backhoes running down the road at 30-45 MPH.


20 MPH used to get you bouncing and hopping.  40 MPH on big 
farm/indistrial tires is phenominal.  Mitch's guy is going 60 MPH or 
more on tractor rear (size) tires.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Curly.
The ring gear pickup L3 sits between pin 20- ws and pin 3- br/ge of 
N39 the EDS control unit.
The output from pin 25 gn/sw goes to the test skt X29/4 then to N6 
(Klima) pin 2 gn/sw and via X26 gn/ge to the instrument cluster A1 
P7 marked TD (no pin number indicated).

Confused yet.
Fred.


Oh!  I see!  They are calling the flywheel sensor the ring gear.  I 
saw ring gear and was thinking ring and pinion (Differential). 
Thanks.   I had found the input on the plug but didn't figure it out 
on the schematic.


I have that input located on the plug (20) now I need a pinout to 
figure out which pin is 20.


Or I can just cut into the harness and find the 2 wires and jump them.


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Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

"Let's hear it for uppity women!"


I likes mine to gits uppit dawn to build up the fahr, etc.
Sometimes I's even gives her a hand.  

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Well, I'm glad at least you aren't angry.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  
>>
>>- By: Kevin Mathews 
>>- January 6, 2016
>>
>>
> That is just bull to try to get the silent majority, the conservitive, and
> religious groups to back off by trying to marginalize them.
>
> ANYONE who is historically literate knows the 150 years from 1750 to 1900
> were filled with very interesting accusations and head bumping. Day long
> debates with lots of name calling were the norm.  Some resorted to duels.
> Today it is called "vitriol" to attempt to marginalize those who express
> their opinion counter to the "progressive" groups who are a vast minority,
> but are attempting to take over the country.
>
> The years 1900 to present have had plenty of political heat and lies flung
> about also.  It even happened in ancient Rome, 2000 years ago. You won't
> change human nature by shaking a boney finger at your opponent.
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Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Go tell your wife she's no longer allowed to wear pants. After you pick 
yourself back up off the floor tell me how that worked out for you...
-Curt

 

  From: Randy Bennell 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief
   
On 07/01/2016 10:31 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> 1950s USA where women couldn't wear pants and black people could be burned 
> with impunity. Great place.
> Oh don't forget commie chasing, rat out your neighbors as commies for fun and 
> profit, great place that 1950s USA.
> I'll be you $1000 green American dollars that this time next year the 
> situation in the USA will be pretty much the same as it is today, no crash, 
> no civil disorder. Quit yer fear mongering, nothing is changing fast.
>
> -Curt
>  
>
>  
What is wrong with women not wearing pants?

RB


  
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Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curt.
+1
Also remember that there are sharp knives in the home and you must sleep 
sometimes.
"Let's hear it for uppity women!"
Fred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 07 January 2016 17:07
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief

Go tell your wife she's no longer allowed to wear pants. After you pick 
yourself back up off the floor tell me how that worked out for you...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 07/01/2016 11:07 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Go tell your wife she's no longer allowed to wear pants. After you pick 
yourself back up off the floor tell me how that worked out for you...
-Curt

  





Uh Oh - sounds like Curt's wife abuses him.

RB who still prefers girls in skirts

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Re: [MBZ] Quick Flip for Jaime

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

He'll jump at $2k I bet.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2540258-fs-1995-e320-special-edition-99k.html#post13603410
>
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[MBZ] Starter motor

[fmiser via Mercedes]

I've got this 240D that has had an oft-patch together starter
motor.  It quit again.  I figured it was time to buy o fresh
one.  Yeah, I kinda dense - probably should have spent the
money a year or two ago.

But where to buy...

I called all the local parts stores.  No one could get me a
Bosch rebuilt.  Lots of "just a good as a Bosch" and such.

I sure was spoiled with Rusty!

After looking at a number of websites, I decide on RockAuto.
It was pretty clear that I could really choose a Bosch
rebuild SR67X.  Equivalents were available, but were clearly
marked as not Bosch.  What cinched the deal for me was not
only a very good price - but for the core return I could have
them print a label on their account!  The price is deducted
from the core charge.

So - for about $110 plus $45 core plus less than $15 shipping
I got a starter.  It works. Yea! And it was easy to get a
label printed - and this heavy old starter is shipping
halfway across the country for less than $15.  I doubt I
could have found a way to ship it for less $35.

So far, I'm pretty happy with my dealings with RockAuto.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] I want one of these

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Andrew wrote:
> 
> The five-passenger Bolt, priced about $37,500 excluding a
> $7,500 federal tax credit, has a 10.2-inch touch screen and
> can be recharged to 80 percent of its battery capacity in
> an hour on a 240-volt charger

That is a three point bullet list - presumably the cars top
features.

And one of those is the size of the screen!!??!!??

*sigh*

Long live my luddite 123s!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The goal was to reduce flooding - plant trees, let the beavers make dams
with them, thus stop flooding. However, I thought that beavers were US
animals, not UK - so it doesn't make sense to me either.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Why would stopping the killing of beavers help trees? Beavers kill trees...
> Shooting beavers is illegal in most of the US, the only way to get rid of
> them is with traps.
> -Curt
>
>
>
> I went to the sites home page and found that I agree with some of the
> goals. I thought I could sign the "To stop UK floods: plant trees, and stop
> shooting beavers!", since I would only ever shoot a beaver to ward off
> starvation.
>
> Greg
>
>


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Peace everyone.  Speaking of which:

How about those Washington R*dsk*ns!


Don't they play in Seattle?   Oh, and the name is Redskins, it has 
been so for several decades.


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[MBZ] days to meltdown

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

As an additional data point, stuff I used to get 
up to 13¢ for is now down to .05 as of Dec., 15.


That boys and girls, is 1/26th of 2014 value.

China is in a meltdown, Saudis are in meltdown 
(economy) Parts of the EU, like greece and italy 
have been melted down for years.


I read a futurist article yesterday that predicts 
EU meltdown this fall and US meltdown about 6 
months later.  That gives us roughly 500 to 600 
days before the economy melts down.


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Re: [MBZ] the trousers in chief

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Trousers v. pants!

--R

On 1/7/16 12:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Go tell your wife she's no longer allowed to wear pants. After you pick 
yourself back up off the floor tell me how that worked out for you...
-Curt

  


   From: Randy Bennell 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] the thug in chief

On 07/01/2016 10:31 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

1950s USA where women couldn't wear pants and black people could be burned with 
impunity. Great place.
Oh don't forget commie chasing, rat out your neighbors as commies for fun and 
profit, great place that 1950s USA.
I'll be you $1000 green American dollars that this time next year the situation 
in the USA will be pretty much the same as it is today, no crash, no civil 
disorder. Quit yer fear mongering, nothing is changing fast.

-Curt
   

   

What is wrong with women not wearing pants?

RB


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Why would stopping the killing of beavers help trees? Beavers kill trees...
Shooting beavers is illegal in most of the US, the only way to get rid of them 
is with traps.
-Curt
 

  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
 Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 2:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms
   
<< What are some of the ways you try to channel your anger into something 
positive? Share with the Care2 community in the comments.>>

I went to the sites home page and found that I agree with some of the goals. I 
thought I could sign the "To stop UK floods: plant trees, and stop shooting 
beavers!", since I would only ever shoot a beaver to ward off starvation.

As far as reducing gun violence; I'm in great favor of reducing gun and all 
other violence. I just don't believe the POTUS' actions will have any positive 
effects. His administration has actually reduced prosecution of firearms 
violations.

I don't regard the Oregon occupation as more an act of terrorism than plain old 
illegal occupation like the leftist "occupy" and so-called "black lives matter" 
actions; although I also note that the Oregon action does not significantly 
impede commerce or prevent other citizens' free movement. And it does appear 
that the sentencing of those Oregon ranchers is excessive for what they are 
alleged to have done. Using that prison space for criminals who represent a 
threat to public safety would make more sense, but the current political 
movement is to release more of the violent criminals.


I agree with Rich that the reaction is more disgust and disappointment than 
anger.

Greg

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Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 7:51 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
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Subject: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

 

  - By: Kevin Mathews 
  - January 6, 2016


  - About Kevin 

It seems every time I scroll through the latest news stories, I can’t
prevent my blood from starting to boil. With all of the injustices in the
world, I imagine many Care2 readers can’t help but get angry. If it’s any
comfort, we’re not alone in experiencing this news-related rage. A new Esquire
& NBC News poll

found that Americans are angrier than they’ve been in a long time.

This sense of rage is coming on quickly, no less. A full 50 percent of
Americans report being more pissed off now than they were a year ago. The
majority of U.S. citizens say that the news upsets them at least once a day
at this point in time.

Altogether, just 11 percent of people surveyed say they get angry at the
news rarely or once a month. The largest share, 37 percent, report getting
angry once a day, while 31 percent say they get heated over the news a few
times a day. The remaining 20 percent say they feel anger on a weekly basis.


The statistics on *which* demographics

are getting angrier are perhaps even more telling:

  - White people
  - Women
  - Republicans
  - The shrinking middle class

While African Americans were most likely to get angry at headlines about
police brutality and discrimination, on the whole, they still tended to get
less angry than Caucasian Americans. Overall, blacks were more optimistic
about life and still had more faith in the American dream than whites.

As for white people, they were more likely to claim to be victimized by
something or other. They disproportionately thought they were making less
money than they should and blamed circumstances beyond their control for
this lack of success. 21 percent of white men were angry at the
mistreatment they claim to suffer in this country.

Researched chalked up women’s heightened anger to them having a greater
sense of empathy. Women were more likely to feel bad when people other than
themselves were negatively impacted by the world’s injustices, therefore
causing them to be angry more often.

While Republicans were more likely to get angry multiple times on a given
day, make no mistake that Democrats’ fury was on the rise, as well.
However, the types of issues that upset each side don’t generally sync up.
Is the hostile political rhetoric that has emerged in the recent
presidential campaign the result of this heightened anger or are we just
getting angrier because the political rhetoric is getting more hostile?

For the record, I don’t think the collective anger this country is
experiencing is entirely a bad thing. Sure, it’d be better if we all had
nothing to be 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Beavers were extinct in UK from 16th century on, but have been reintroduced, 
sometime last century.
I like beavers and bearded clams too.
fred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: 07 January 2016 20:36
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual,   poll 
confirms

The goal was to reduce flooding - plant trees, let the beavers make dams
with them, thus stop flooding. However, I thought that beavers were US
animals, not UK - so it doesn't make sense to me either.
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Re: [MBZ] days to meltdown

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

GMann sez:  This link does a good job of bringing clear 
understanding into the current

financial position of the USA Economy , the dollar value on the world
market place, and whether we can afford to drive our beloved Mercedes in
the coming years and support them.

It is mostly easy to read graphics, doesn't take long to view.
Please draw your own conclusions, I am only the message bearer.

http://demonocracy.info/in fographics..._exposure.html



To Curt's comment:  The last sentence of the second link above is telling.

"Keep an eye out in the news for "derivative crisis", as the crisis 
is inevitable with current falling value of most real assets. "


From my experience, commodities such as scrap metal and inedible 
protein lead the economic structure.  These precursors to raw 
materials have been on a deep slide for over a year.  As I indicated 
in an earlier post, in one case, 1/26th of prior value.  This is an 
indication of how far and how fast the economy can collapse.  

Think about it.  If you overspent your income by the same percentage 
that our goobers do, how long would your household be in business?


Lets say your household income is 52K/yr, and you spend 62K per year 
and you are already 311k in debt.  What bank would loan you money?


http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/typical-family-spent-like-government

This threatens the life and livelihood of every US citizen.  It 
affects our ability to keep our MAM MBs running in the future.  It 
affects future availability of fuels for our MB cars.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It is my observation the word "angry" is improperly applied to the majority
of the American public. It seems more likely the word "disgusted" would be
more correct in encapsulation the tenure and tone of the bulk of
unrepresented Americans.

News media lives by the "If it bleeds it leads" rule, so their natural
inclination is to select words that are an inflammatory as possible in
their reporting, thus also in their poll taking.

While there are classes and colors of Americans who express how they feel
as "angry"... the root cause is really "disgust", because their
expectations are not being met.

This "disgust" is expressed by the "politically correct" crowd in passive
aggressive wording carefully crafted to appear not to insult those they
wish to insult and chastise. This disingenuous verb-age serves to  further
disgust anyone who feels differently, thus further widening the gap of good
communication.

We now have, as a society, become quite dysfunctional in expressing our
"disgust" at how others are acting, and have progressively lost the ability
to communicate plainly, which, by necessity, often results in one person or
group telling another person or group, in plain language, to "get the hell
off my lawn".

It is my considered opine that good social order requires boundaries and
limits. Our present practices of social order routinely insults the
established boundaries and limits. Those insults are carried further and
deeper by the passive aggressive political correct responses now practiced
by a select few who have self appointed themselves as sole arbiters of
society mores.

Which disgusts me. A lot.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, I'm glad at least you aren't angry.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  
> >>
> >>- By: Kevin Mathews 
> >>- January 6, 2016
> >>
> >>
> > That is just bull to try to get the silent majority, the conservitive,
> and
> > religious groups to back off by trying to marginalize them.
> >
> > ANYONE who is historically literate knows the 150 years from 1750 to 1900
> > were filled with very interesting accusations and head bumping. Day long
> > debates with lots of name calling were the norm.  Some resorted to duels.
> > Today it is called "vitriol" to attempt to marginalize those who express
> > their opinion counter to the "progressive" groups who are a vast
> minority,
> > but are attempting to take over the country.
> >
> > The years 1900 to present have had plenty of political heat and lies
> flung
> > about also.  It even happened in ancient Rome, 2000 years ago. You won't
> > change human nature by shaking a boney finger at your opponent.
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Re: [MBZ] days to meltdown

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This link does a good job of bringing clear understanding into the current
financial position of the USA Economy , the dollar value on the world
market place, and whether we can afford to drive our beloved Mercedes in
the coming years and support them.

It is mostly easy to read graphics, doesn't take long to view.
Please draw your own conclusions, I am only the message bearer.

http://demonocracy.info/in fographics..._exposure.html


On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> How was your Hawaii vacation, Randy?  Or is that yet to come?
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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>
> > On 07/01/2016 8:56 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> As an additional data point, stuff I used to get up to 13¢ for is now
> >> down to .05 as of Dec., 15.
> >>
> >> That boys and girls, is 1/26th of 2014 value.
> >>
> >> China is in a meltdown, Saudis are in meltdown (economy) Parts of the
> EU,
> >> like greece and italy have been melted down for years.
> >>
> >> I read a futurist article yesterday that predicts EU meltdown this fall
> >> and US meltdown about 6 months later.  That gives us roughly 500 to 600
> >> days before the economy melts down.
> >>
> >> ___
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> > So, that is why Trump is looking for a new job.
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Riggo is a weekly commentator on sports radio 106.7 The Fan.  Very well
spoken, decent guy and big supporter of The Team.  You should follow his
example.  We need your karmic energy in order to win it all.

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> Andrew.
> I lost interest when Riggins stopped playing.
> Fred
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> Sent: 07 January 2016 19:17
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> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual,
>  poll confirms
>
> Peace everyone.  Speaking of which:
>
> How about those Washington R*dsk*ns!  No one thought the team would be in
> the playoffs, let alone win their division.  Our quarterback Kirk Cousins
> has outperformed spectacularly this season.
>
> If you live in a place that doesn't have a team in the playoffs, you need
> to direct your rooting energy toward the NFL's top underdog so we can win
> the Superbowl, which will go far to shore up the tarnished reputation of
> the Nation's Capital.  Everyone loves a winner.  :)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Perfect !

What time does the fight start? hahahaha

;)))

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> your a looser!  Give me a brake!
>
> How plain and direct is that?
>
> --R
>
> On 1/7/16 1:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> It is my observation the word "angry" is improperly applied to the
>> majority
>> of the American public. It seems more likely the word "disgusted" would be
>> more correct in encapsulation the tenure and tone of the bulk of
>> unrepresented Americans.
>>
>> News media lives by the "If it bleeds it leads" rule, so their natural
>> inclination is to select words that are an inflammatory as possible in
>> their reporting, thus also in their poll taking.
>>
>> While there are classes and colors of Americans who express how they feel
>> as "angry"... the root cause is really "disgust", because their
>> expectations are not being met.
>>
>> This "disgust" is expressed by the "politically correct" crowd in passive
>> aggressive wording carefully crafted to appear not to insult those they
>> wish to insult and chastise. This disingenuous verb-age serves to  further
>> disgust anyone who feels differently, thus further widening the gap of
>> good
>> communication.
>>
>> We now have, as a society, become quite dysfunctional in expressing our
>> "disgust" at how others are acting, and have progressively lost the
>> ability
>> to communicate plainly, which, by necessity, often results in one person
>> or
>> group telling another person or group, in plain language, to "get the hell
>> off my lawn".
>>
>> It is my considered opine that good social order requires boundaries and
>> limits. Our present practices of social order routinely insults the
>> established boundaries and limits. Those insults are carried further and
>> deeper by the passive aggressive political correct responses now practiced
>> by a select few who have self appointed themselves as sole arbiters of
>> society mores.
>>
>> Which disgusts me. A lot.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I'm glad at least you aren't angry.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   

> - By: Kevin Mathews 
> - January 6, 2016
>
>
> That is just bull to try to get the silent majority, the conservitive,

>>> and
>>>
 religious groups to back off by trying to marginalize them.

 ANYONE who is historically literate knows the 150 years from 1750 to
 1900
 were filled with very interesting accusations and head bumping. Day long
 debates with lots of name calling were the norm.  Some resorted to
 duels.
 Today it is called "vitriol" to attempt to marginalize those who express
 their opinion counter to the "progressive" groups who are a vast

>>> minority,
>>>
 but are attempting to take over the country.

 The years 1900 to present have had plenty of political heat and lies

>>> flung
>>>
 about also.  It even happened in ancient Rome, 2000 years ago. You won't
 change human nature by shaking a boney finger at your opponent.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Got back to checking tach and speedo taday.  Pulled the head, cable 
no turney, so looks like I need a new cable.  Tach has no signal at 
the head, but did have a signal behind the battery.  so, it appears 
like either there is no signal coming out of the EDS computer or the 
wire from the EDS computer to the head is lacking continuity.


According to 136 in the 124 ETM, at the output of the EDS computer, 
there are 2 wires.  One runs to the tach, one to the Klima (now 
called in the book "A/C compressor control relay")  Both wires are 
green/yellow.


So it appears that if i find a signal at the klima relay, then the 
other wire is broken.  If there is no signal at the klima, then 
likely the EDS Comp is bad.  (or the wire from the EDS comp to the 
Klima is broken (not likely)


Does anyone have any experience with either?  Thanks

87 300D




Fred was the source for the wire by the battery, I remember it is a
two-wire connector but I don't remember the colors.  My wiring diagram says
one wire is white, other is brown with a yellow stripe.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 Thanks!

 Going out to check for a signal as Max suggested.  I looked before, but
 didn't see much from above.  I'll look again.  I think i found the cable
 plug Max referred to behind the battery.  Brown and a white/? or ?/white
 wires.

 Curly.

 The pickup is viewable from the top but accessed from underneath.
 Fred

 
 From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain
 via Mercedes 
 Sent: 02 December 2015 13:52
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Cc: Curly McLain
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

 Check the connection for the Hall effect pickup at the rear of the

 engine.  It often gets corroded, being exposed to road splash, and
 gives an intermittent or very low signal.  Mine works (as does the
 idle speed control) only when it's wet, never have gotten around to
 fixing it.

 Might be a bad hall effect pickup, it's in the bell housing above
 the starter if I remember correctly.

 Peter



 Thanks Fred and Peter for this info.  Is the sensor accessed from the
 hood or from underneath the car?





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

B...b...but isn't the use of the name "Vikings" a cultural appropriation?
And a kind of racist stereotype of white people from the north who
(allegedly) raped and pillaged?

Greg

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confirms

Seattle - Vikings should be a very close game.  I'm rooting for the Vikes,
whom we can beat.  I doubt we can win vs. Seattle: Russell Wilson is an
unstoppable force.  Ice water runs in his veins...

Obviously, I don't like the team name, which is why I use *s when referring
to Washington, D.C.'s football team.  Interestingly, the D.C. mayor says
she won't subsidize a new stadium in the District unless the owner changes
the name of the team to something less offensive.



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> Peace everyone.  Speaking of which:
>>
>> How about those Washington R*dsk*ns!
>>
>
> Don't they play in Seattle?   Oh, and the name is Redskins, it has been so
> for several decades.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

NOT GOING THERE

--R


I had a teacher in JR high that shot a good beaver

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Greg sez:
As far as reducing gun violence; I'm in great favor of reducing gun 
and all other violence. I just don't believe the POTUS' actions will 
have any positive effects. His administration has actually reduced 
prosecution of firearms violations.

...

Greg


IF the current regime, (including the former AG holder) were to 
prosecute firearms violations, they'd have to put themselves in 
prison.  The gunrunner in chief, and his stooge.  Of course they are 
going to not prosecute firearms violations, unless those violators 
are of a conservative nature.  They will turn out the violent inmates 
onto the streets.  It is all designed to increase the chaos, right 
out of lenin's book.



Remind me.  At some time was there not some U.S. policy about equal 
protection under the law?  Must be mistaken...gotta go back to 
drinking and watching football, basketball, the baseball wars, golf, 
soccer, table tennis, volleyball and the endless drivel on 
espn1,2,3,4.5.etc   

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Seattle - Vikings should be a very close game.  I'm rooting for the Vikes,
whom we can beat.  I doubt we can win vs. Seattle: Russell Wilson is an
unstoppable force.  Ice water runs in his veins...

Obviously, I don't like the team name, which is why I use *s when referring
to Washington, D.C.'s football team.  Interestingly, the D.C. mayor says
she won't subsidize a new stadium in the District unless the owner changes
the name of the team to something less offensive.



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> Peace everyone.  Speaking of which:
>>
>> How about those Washington R*dsk*ns!
>>
>
> Don't they play in Seattle?   Oh, and the name is Redskins, it has been so
> for several decades.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Got back to checking tach and speedo taday.  Pulled the head, cable 
no turney, so looks like I need a new cable.  Tach has no signal at 
the head, but did have a signal behind the battery.  so, it appears 
like either there is no signal coming out of the EDS computer or the 
wire from the EDS computer to the head is lacking continuity.


Does anyone have any experience with either?  Thanks

87 300D




Fred was the source for the wire by the battery, I remember it is a
two-wire connector but I don't remember the colors.  My wiring diagram says
one wire is white, other is brown with a yellow stripe.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 Thanks!

 Going out to check for a signal as Max suggested.  I looked before, but
 didn't see much from above.  I'll look again.  I think i found the cable
 plug Max referred to behind the battery.  Brown and a white/? or ?/white
 wires.

 Curly.

 The pickup is viewable from the top but accessed from underneath.
 Fred

 
 From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain
 via Mercedes 
 Sent: 02 December 2015 13:52
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Cc: Curly McLain
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

 Check the connection for the Hall effect pickup at the rear of the

 engine.  It often gets corroded, being exposed to road splash, and
 gives an intermittent or very low signal.  Mine works (as does the
 idle speed control) only when it's wet, never have gotten around to
 fixing it.

 Might be a bad hall effect pickup, it's in the bell housing above
 the starter if I remember correctly.

 Peter



 Thanks Fred and Peter for this info.  Is the sensor accessed from the
 hood or from underneath the car?





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