Re: [MBZ] holy smokes did they park it in the ocean?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Poor marketing.  Should state "has a little surface rust, about the size of
a quarter".

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>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-sedan-/191792808653?forcerrptr=true=item2ca7be02cd:g:uoIAAOSwHaBWkE0Y=191792808653
>>
>>
> THat is consistent with salt spray encountered in windward areas near salt
> water.
>
> Cars will rust like that in windward side of Hawaiian Islands, like where
> da thug in chief likes to hang out.
>
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[MBZ] 89 300SE for Dan

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5415739030.html

Not far from me.
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[MBZ] Found my next convertible

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

"MISSING A COUPLE FUSES NO MAJOR MECHANICAL ISSUES LET ME KNO show contact info 
HAVE A BLESSED DAY MERRY CHRISTMAS"

http://charleston.craigslist.org/bar/5373022018.html
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Re: [MBZ] anti-Trump Kickstarter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Wow, you managed to turn this into another dose of venom against the
Clintons.  Well done, "Curly"

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> A little birdie shared this with me today
>>
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/953239175/250684404?token=9768f502
>>
>> D
>>
>
> Well, if the donald did that, his body count would be a whole lot smaller
> than the CCO (clin ton grime (with a C) Organization) in lib ya alone!
>  She has at least 4 in lib ya.
>
> 136 as of 1999:
> http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/clintonbodycountupdate.htm
>
> And, aside from the 4 mentioned above, who knows how many more between
> 1999 and now?
>
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Re: [MBZ] holy smokes did they park it in the ocean?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

"About the size of a quarter (pounder)."
-- 
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On January 26, 2016 10:58:08 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Poor marketing.  Should state "has a little surface rust, about the
>size of
>a quarter".
>
>

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[MBZ] Turbo for OM617

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Anyone need a KKK turbo for OM617 engine?  While I was scrounging 
around, I found 2 of these.  one is good.  The other is serviceable, 
but has noticeable play in the bearings.


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Re: [MBZ] Turbo for OM617

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Yeah, I think the turbo on the daughter's SD might be going bad, maybe 
blowing oil too.  I have not had a chance to look at it as the car is 
seldom nearby but it would be nice to have a spare if it is bad.


--R

On 1/26/16 8:20 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Anyone need a KKK turbo for OM617 engine?  While I was scrounging 
around, I found 2 of these.  one is good.  The other is serviceable, 
but has noticeable play in the bearings.


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Re: [MBZ] Pleb's Project Car

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I would agree. The seller is misrepresenting the fact that the harnesses 
go through the firewall and continue on somewhere into the car. Suggesting that 
all you need is the engine harness is wrong. You either need a whole new set of 
harnesses that come from the engine compartment and go through the firewall, or 
you're going to be butt splicing a poopload of wires on the other side.

Dan

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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> replacing all those wiring harnesses will require stripping the car to bare 
> metal, or nearly so.  Based on the time it is taking me to deal with melted 
> insulation in POSitive, you are better off to scrap it.  Put the engine in a 
> wilton type rodbender.  It'll take less time and money.  You guys shoulda 
> jumped on Wilton's car.  Easier and cheaper.
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Re: [MBZ] Pleb's Project Car

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If the wires out of the fuse box are burned, which they are, those wires go all 
thru the car and all the way back to the rear end of the car. I have salvaged 
complete harnesses like this car would need and even with the car stripped it's 
not fun. This car would have to be stripped front to back or the wires would 
have to be spliced.

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> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I would agree. The seller is misrepresenting the fact that the 
> harnesses go through the firewall and continue on somewhere into the car. 
> Suggesting that all you need is the engine harness is wrong. You either need 
> a whole new set of harnesses that come from the engine compartment and go 
> through the firewall, or you're going to be butt splicing a poopload of wires 
> on the other side.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> replacing all those wiring harnesses will require stripping the car to bare 
>> metal, or nearly so.  Based on the time it is taking me to deal with melted 
>> insulation in POSitive, you are better off to scrap it.  Put the engine in a 
>> wilton type rodbender.  It'll take less time and money.  You guys shoulda 
>> jumped on Wilton's car.  Easier and cheaper.
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 turbo oil drain

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Here's a good thread with ideas for replacing the oil separator / crank
case breather assembly:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/371388-60x-valve-cover-dissected.html#post3518979

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 turbo oil drain

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If excess crankcase pressure is pushing oil back up the drain pipe,
opening the oil cap should relieve it sufficiently to prevent
this.  Also, if this condition were true, removing the dipstick
would also make a small oil fountain, since its tube opens at
the bottom of the oil pan, under the 'pressurized' oil level.
Two easy tests!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Turbo for OM617

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Used turbos are cheap and easy to install, unless you ave a RARE CA version
84/85 turbo (like me).

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I think the turbo on the daughter's SD might be going bad, maybe
> blowing oil too.  I have not had a chance to look at it as the car is
> seldom nearby but it would be nice to have a spare if it is bad.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 1/26/16 8:20 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Anyone need a KKK turbo for OM617 engine?  While I was scrounging around,
>> I found 2 of these.  one is good.  The other is serviceable, but has
>> noticeable play in the bearings.
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo for OM617

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew sez: Used turbos are cheap and easy to install, unless you 
ave a RARE CA version

84/85 turbo (like me).


What is the going price for an 81-84 turbo at your knacker of choice?

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 turbo oil drain

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, I understood you - I don't remember seeing where the oil return dumped
into the case. The side pan is just to increase oil volume, and IIRC house
the oil level sensor. The oil pump (again, IIRC) is at the rear of the
engine. I don't see how it could be your problem. It has a pick-up tube
with screen that angles forward (IIRC). No direct connection to scavenge
the turbo return oil.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You wouldn't, because the drain goes into the block on a 603.  The block
> drain is above the oil level in the crankcase.  with the engine off, no oil
> comes out of the drain port of the block.  I was hoping you might remember
> something about the oil pump.  What I know is there is a side pan on the
> 603.  I assume this gives access to the oil pump.  there is a drive chain
> listed for the 603, so I presume the oil pump is run by a chain, and not
> like the 617 and older engines.
>
> With the tube off, the oil ran out of the port in the block when the
> engine was running.  I thought maybe it was just the oil level being a
> little high, so I put on the lower bracket for the tube, raising the level
> to overflow an inch or so.  The oil still overflowed with the engine
> running.  Then I put the tube on, extending the overflow level several
> inches, well above the oil level of the crankcase. Then the oil level in
> the tube climbed until it too overflowed.
>
> That is why it appears to be pressure fed and not splashing out because of
> blowby.
>
>>
>>


-- 
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 turbo oil drain

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

GMann sez:  Do I understand you have now had TWO turbo oil seal failures?

I propose that if the drain line is not allowing the pressurized oil
to drain from turbo and instead [by unknown means] is pushing oil back
to turbo, the seal design limit is likely exceeded causing premature
failure.



Do you know how the garret oil seals work?  Do they rely on oil 
pressure for the seal?


If the seals rely on pressure differential between the pressure side 
and the atmospheric side, then the back pressure may create the 
condition where the seal is not pressed  against the other face, 
thereby forcing oil out the exhaust pipe.


If that is the case, then the turbo I took off may be ok, since it 
ran only a few min. and probably did not have time to carbon up.


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Re: [MBZ] Turbo for OM617

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> Andrew sez: Used turbos are cheap and easy to install, unless you ave a
>> RARE CA version
>> 84/85 turbo (like me).
>>
>
> What is the going price for an 81-84 turbo at your knacker of choice?
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 turbo oil drain

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Sorry to be of no practical help on that question. The seal is
certainly designed to keep oil contained within the lubricated cavity
around the bearing. Just exactly how that application does it, I don't
know.

My line of thinking is that with 60 psi of oil pressure supplied to
the turbo bearing, and the return oil path blocked, the local pressure
at the sealing surface could be enough to overpower the seal.

My gut instinct tells me it's unlikely for a seal to fail in 10 min of
operation, unless there was an improper install of the seal. To have
it happen twice.. well.. hell froze over and I'm ice skating with my
ex wife... metaphorically speaking.


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>> GMann sez:  Do I understand you have now had TWO turbo oil seal failures?
>>
>> I propose that if the drain line is not allowing the pressurized oil
>> to drain from turbo and instead [by unknown means] is pushing oil back
>> to turbo, the seal design limit is likely exceeded causing premature
>> failure.
>>
>
> Do you know how the garret oil seals work?  Do they rely on oil pressure for
> the seal?
>
> If the seals rely on pressure differential between the pressure side and the
> atmospheric side, then the back pressure may create the condition where the
> seal is not pressed  against the other face, thereby forcing oil out the
> exhaust pipe.
>
> If that is the case, then the turbo I took off may be ok, since it ran only
> a few min. and probably did not have time to carbon up.
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[MBZ] anti-Trump Kickstarter

[Darren Marshall via Mercedes]

A little birdie shared this with me today

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/953239175/250684404?token=9768f502

D

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Re: [MBZ] Security clearance anyone? Wuz MBZ?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--R wrote:
> I prognosticate that at some point soon, HRC will
> either be indicted...

If I had money, I would bet against you.
The Trumpites have zero clue.  They do the same political gig they
have mastered over the past 30-years and have lost most of them except
for post-Bill.  Trumpites are essential loosers that match the Dems in
every policy and practice.  Demican or Republicrat - this USA gig is
dead.  Discouraging, but USA is dead.  BHO will establish martial law
and continue his reign since elections will be cancelled, or HRC will
take the throne - that is my bet.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] anti-Trump Kickstarter

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

A little birdie shared this with me today

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/953239175/250684404?token=9768f502

D


Well, if the donald did that, his body count would be a whole lot 
smaller than the CCO (clin ton grime (with a C) Organization) in lib 
ya alone!   She has at least 4 in lib ya.


136 as of 1999: 
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/clintonbodycountupdate.htm


And, aside from the 4 mentioned above, who knows how many more 
between 1999 and now?


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[MBZ] holy smokes did they park it in the ocean?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] holy smokes did they park it in the ocean?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Holy.  Or should I say “holey”?

My great aunt lived around Daytona Beach in the late 1920s, when Florida was 
still a sort of “wild west” place before the land boom.  She wore pants, packed 
a pistol to shoot the ‘gators that would sun themselves on the front porch of 
her cabin, etc., etc.

She talked about how the Notherners would come down there, and while visiting, 
would drive their cars out on the beach and wash them in the surf.  She thought 
that was funny as heck, knowing that they were just accelerating the rusting 
process…

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] My New Project

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks nice, Bob.  Sorry it took so long to get the message approved.  For some 
reason I can’t get to the Okielist admin page from work.  Grr.

Dan


> On Jan 25, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> I need to get it home to get it running.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] My New Project

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I can haul it off for you. 

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[MBZ] Posting pictures to the list

[Craig via Mercedes]

Kaleb and Dan,

It seems the way pictures are posted to his list has changed yet again.

I just received an 8.99 MEGA byte email from Bob Rentfro with one
5312 x 2988 pixel picture in it.

I am sure there will again be complaints about not being able to read
inboxes.

Can we go back to the way where links to the picture on the mail server
were appended to the email?

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Posting pictures to the list

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have no plans to go back to storing attachments on the server. With the size 
of the last 10+ years of archives and all of the stored attachments server 
space has had to be increased significantly over the years at increased cost. 
Bob should have reduced his image size considerably. The way it is set now a 
reasonable normal sized photo should pass thru without needing to be approved.

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> 
> Kaleb and Dan,
> 
> It seems the way pictures are posted to his list has changed yet again.
> 
> I just received an 8.99 MEGA byte email from Bob Rentfro with one
> 5312 x 2988 pixel picture in it.
> 
> I am sure there will again be complaints about not being able to read
> inboxes.
> 
> Can we go back to the way where links to the picture on the mail server
> were appended to the email?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] holy smokes did they park it in the ocean?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-sedan-/191792808653?forcerrptr=true=item2ca7be02cd:g:uoIAAOSwHaBWkE0Y=191792808653



THat is consistent with salt spray encountered in windward areas near 
salt water.


Cars will rust like that in windward side of Hawaiian Islands, like 
where da thug in chief likes to hang out.


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Re: [MBZ] Posting pictures to the list

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

So what is the problem  with Bob's picture posting? Looks fine to me.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jan 26, 2016 8:46 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Kaleb and Dan,
>
> It seems the way pictures are posted to his list has changed yet again.
>
> I just received an 8.99 MEGA byte email from Bob Rentfro with one
> 5312 x 2988 pixel picture in it.
>
> I am sure there will again be complaints about not being able to read
> inboxes.
>
> Can we go back to the way where links to the picture on the mail server
> were appended to the email?
>
> Thanks,
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> Craig
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