date:20160603

ROFL.  Thanks for sharing.  If she had been doing tai chi the bear would
have ate her up.

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>
> NEBO, N.C., June 3 (UPI) -- A woman vacationing in North Carolina said her
> close encounter with a bear got uncomfortably close when the predator
> sniffed her shoulder and licked her neck.
>
> Kristen Jones, who was visiting Lake James from her home in Knoxville,
> posted photos to Facebook showing a bear she said came up behind her while
> she was watching the sunrise and doing yoga on the shore of the lake on May
> 26.
>
> Jones said she initially thought the animal behind her was a neighbor's
> dog.
>
> "Something sniffed my shoulder, and then I felt something wet along my
> neck and ear, reached up to pet the dog, felt weird, turned around, and it
> was not a dog. It was a bear," Jones told WJZY-TV.
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> "Started my morning down at the lake. Enjoyed my yoga while watching the
> sunrise. I was sitting on the steps with my feet propped by the water
> listening to Ray Lamontagne, WHEN I FELT A SNIFF ON MY RIGHT SHOULDER AND A
> LICK UP MY NECK. I reached up to pet the (assumed) neighbors dog, only to
> discover I AND THE BEAR were startled to meet. I stumbled backwards into
> the water and he ran up the hill. So much for finally being off blood
> pressure medicine."
>
>
> http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2016/06/03/Woman-says-bear-came-from-behind-and-licked-her-neck-in-North-Carolina/2711464965001/?spt=hs=on
>
> Wonder what the bear had in mind?
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be decent after its fixed.

He's probably stumped on the word "symptoms".

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 20:14:23 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > They sale flywheels very cheaply.
> >
> > The potato cam pics make it look pretty good.
>
> "Potato cam" never heard that term before, but it does well describe
> most "point and shoot" cameras.
>
>
> > Wonder how he knows it is the flywheel and not a starter alignment
> > issue?
>
> I asked him what symptoms led him to conclude it was a flywheel problem.
> I have not heard back yet.
>
>
> > Hard to argue with the price.
>
> It is reasonable, isn't it?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should mess with this.

Yeah, the best attribute is the paint job.  All the other crucial
components suck.

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> What's with that interior?  Looks like a redneck Earl Scheib seat cover
> kind of job, plus all the stuff missing.  I like that color though.
>
> --JC
>
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Re: [MBZ] I want one

To channel my inner Trump - crank windows are DISGUSTING and STUPID.

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually 
> 6% here.

Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on Zillow for
$364,500.

The first agent who brought someone by started her presentation by
saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She ended up
presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who needed to move in
quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The things she
related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated. Then the
husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me directly. His
contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did not want to
sell to him.

The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by the sign I had
put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came through the house
three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The four of them
walked through the house jabbering to each other in Chinese. One time,
the husband asked me what was the lowest price I would take. I told him
if they didn't use a real estate agent, I would require $330,000. If they
used an agent, I would require $340,000.

Their agent brought their offer over for $310,000, with a 3% commission,
plus the gross receipts tax on top of that. We said no.

The couple came over again, this time to present their sob story and
plead with us to sell it to them for their price. The wife said she was a
light sleeper and the forced-air heat system made too much noise, so they
would have to change it to a hydronic system, which would cost more than
$25,000. She really tried to put a guilt trip on us. Note, though, that
the house is built on a slab. We again said, "NO!"

A few months later, an older couple stopped by to inquire about the
house. When I showed them around the house, the husband remarked how
quiet the heating system was. They lived down the mesa about a mile from
us and were scouting for their daughter and son-in-law. The son-in-law
was possibly going to get a job offer from the Lab, thus needing to move
from Texas, and they were scouting for them. The older couple were quite
taken with the house and the remodel I had done and said they would tell
their son-in-law and daughter about it.

A while later I got a call from the daughter. She said her husband had
gotten the job offer and that the Lab wanted him there quickly, so he was
going to come look at houses the next weekend.

He was brought to our house by his mother-in-law. As I was showing him
around the house and the 0.6 acre yard, the mother-in-law sat at the
dining room table and talked with Shirley. She told Shirley her
son-in-law had another house to look at, but that she was going to push
ours.

A couple of days later, I got a call from the son-in-law. He wanted to
come over and talk with me about making an offer. When he came over, we
discussed whether he should use an agent, since it was his first time
buying a house. I told him we had done it many times and that the title
company was the center of the transaction. He agreed to not use an agent
and offered $335,550. Shirley and I accepted.

The next day, he and I met at the lobby of the local bank and walked into
the title company's office. Motioning to him, I told the lady there,
"This young man wants to buy my house." She responded, "And you're here
because you don't know what to do ..." I replied, "Yes, it's not like we
do this every day." She said, "Well, we do do this every day and we will
help you through the process."

She was true to her word. She got us a contract form and, with her
guidance, he and I worked through each item of it, haggling about who
would pay what and coming to agreement.

It was such a pleasure working directly with the buyer! At one point in
the process, he remarked that it was a pleasure working directly with the
seller. For example, he and his family arrived in Los Alamos about a week
before closing (staying at her parent's house). He was having some cars
shipped from Texas to Los Alamos and called up to ask if he could have
them put out of the way at the back of our lot before closing. I said,
"Sure, no problem." I found out they were not going to move into the house
until two days after closing, so I asked him if we could stay until then.
He said, "Sure, no problem." Can you imagine the difficulty of getting
those things done with going through two agents?

Anyway, that's how it went ...

Craig

> On 6/3/2016 9:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 20:49:16 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> This is also why, for many years, we have often forgone the use of a
> >> realtor and used a good real estate attorney and a home inspection
> >> company, along with doing our due diligence.
> > We sold our house in Los Alamos without a realtor involved in the
> > transaction and netted $25k more than selling to those buyers

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story



That is pretty typical of legal immigrants to the USA for 200+ 
years. Illegals come in all flavors but too many are only looking 
for the freebies.

Joel Cairo via Mercedes 

BTW, on another aspect, the Mex trabajadores I would see around 
working on house construction worked their butts off, 7-7, as did the 
landscapers and any others I dealt with.  I was very impressed with 
their work ethic, it was a lot better than some of the lazy merkins 
around.  They had some significant motivations to work hard, make 
money, and better themselves, whatever the issues about them being 
illegals.  I would gladly trade some of ours for them. We had a 
landscape guy, Sanchez, who showed up the first time in some clapped 
out little japmobile with a mower and weedwhacker and rakes and such 
in the trunk, just him. Hit up my wife who hired him, I usually did 
the mowing etc. as we had just a small lot and grass to deal with.  By 
the time we left he had a new nice Ford F-150, 3 crews with trucks and 
trailers and a full suite of equipment, 3 guys per, they would show 
up, unload, get to work and be gone in 15min for $25.  He pretty much 
ended up owning our little city.  Run the numbers and you can see how 
well he was doing, starting from pretty much nothing.  He worked on 
credit, would come around every week or two to collect, always asked 
if there were any problems, great customer service.  If something 
outside the normal mowing, etc. needed to be done, he would do it 
himself, no stranger to hot hard work.  I had him deal with the house 
after we left before it was sold, my neighbor kept an eye on him, no 
problems ever.  That guy was going places.


--R



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 3, 2016 at 6:33 PMvia Postbox 

Certainly in this case it wouldn’t apply, since it wasn’t your house 
that was stigmatized. However, from an ethical standpoint I would 
think that they would disclose something like that or again, just not 
show the house.


But then again, we’re dealing with realtors. I rest my case.

Dan



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Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 3, 2016 at 6:22 PMvia Postbox 

In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if 
something happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.


--JC




Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 3, 2016 at 6:20 PMvia Postbox 


No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different product.

I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
shown the house to begin with.

This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
violent acts.

Dan


According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an adverse 
condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts increasingly 
holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as physical 
defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.






On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:

A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
bothered you.

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June 3, 2016 at 5:46 PMvia Postbox 


OK I should be working but...

We moved to Houston in 1999 from the Boston area.  I rented a big box 
truck to haul a bunch of my workshop stuff and some other things 
because it was heavy and the movers would have charged a lot.  So I'm 
driving this thing down through KY, was going to stop and see my 
parents who lived in Western KY at the time.  I was going through 
Lexington, listening to the public radio station, they had

Re: [MBZ] Holy crap


GLAD TO SEE IT DOES NOT NEED A BUMPER and the pics are professional


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June 3, 2016 at 5:35 PMvia Postbox 



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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans


GOOD IDEA!


Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 3, 2016 at 4:20 PMvia Postbox 

All you have to do is come running down the street toward the job site 
shouting "La Migra! La Migra!" and it will clear out faster than you 
will be able to see.  Seriously.


--JC





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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans


ZERO


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
June 3, 2016 at 3:21 PMvia Postbox 

While we were in OKC with my dad for a heart procedure the R320 was 
parked at his house for 3 days. In the lot next door there is a pack 
of Mexicans building 2 duplexes. The house has been in my family for 
almost 50 years and we have not had any trouble in the neighborhood. 
Now that Mexicans are working next door all the sudden the tires on 
the R were slashed. H. Apparently my dad had raised some hell with 
them about their loud music at 7am and such. Maybe they decided to get 
revenge. Wonder how mani are actually legal. Rant over.


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 22:10:46 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> Good for her.  Hopefully she won’t get jaded by all the crap going on
> around her and leave the profession.  I’m sure there are some good ones
> out there but from my experience they’re few and far between.

The woman of the couple from whom we rented the guest house in
Albuquerque had been a realtor in Texas. She moved to New Mexico, was in
the profession about 6 months and left it because of all the crooks and
shysters here.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually 
6% here.


On 6/3/2016 9:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 20:49:16 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


This is also why, for many years, we have often forgone the use of a
realtor and used a good real estate attorney and a home inspection
company, along with doing our due diligence.

We sold our house in Los Alamos without a realtor involved in the
transaction and netted $25k more than selling to those buyers realtors
brought by.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 20:49:16 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> This is also why, for many years, we have often forgone the use of a
> realtor and used a good real estate attorney and a home inspection
> company, along with doing our due diligence.

We sold our house in Los Alamos without a realtor involved in the
transaction and netted $25k more than selling to those buyers realtors
brought by.


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[MBZ] Friendly Bear

2016-06-03 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

NEBO, N.C., June 3 (UPI) -- A woman vacationing in North Carolina said her
close encounter with a bear got uncomfortably close when the predator sniffed
her shoulder and licked her neck.

Kristen Jones, who was visiting Lake James from her home in Knoxville, posted
photos to Facebook showing a bear she said came up behind her while she was
watching the sunrise and doing yoga on the shore of the lake on May 26.

Jones said she initially thought the animal behind her was a neighbor's dog.

"Something sniffed my shoulder, and then I felt something wet along my neck and
ear, reached up to pet the dog, felt weird, turned around, and it was not a
dog. It was a bear," Jones told WJZY-TV.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"Started my morning down at the lake. Enjoyed my yoga while watching the
sunrise. I was sitting on the steps with my feet propped by the water listening
to Ray Lamontagne, WHEN I FELT A SNIFF ON MY RIGHT SHOULDER AND A LICK UP MY
NECK. I reached up to pet the (assumed) neighbors dog, only to discover I AND
THE BEAR were startled to meet. I stumbled backwards into the water and he ran
up the hill. So much for finally being off blood pressure medicine."

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2016/06/03/Woman-says-bear-came-from-behind-and-licked-her-neck-in-North-Carolina/2711464965001/?spt=hs=on

Wonder what the bear had in mind?
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Good for her.  Hopefully she won’t get jaded by all the crap going on around 
her and leave the profession.  I’m sure there are some good ones out there but 
from my experience they’re few and far between.

The agent we had buying and selling our house in Indiana was good, but she was 
relatively new in the business and came from a teaching background, so ethics 
was one of her stronger characteristics.  This is why I picked her.

Dan


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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> 
> While it is true that good ethics are not common in sales, there's a place 
> for someone in sales (houses, cars...whatever) for a person who develops a 
> reputation and referrals as a result. I sold cars for about a year quite a 
> ways back and lost some sales because I would not screw the customers. So I 
> was not the top sales guy, but not the bottom either.
> 
> The son's GF has been working as a buyers' agent for a bit over 6 mos. and 
> has been leading her office in sales. I hear tales of other agents stealing 
> her sales by claiming to kick back commission to the buyer (when it is 
> actually the seller who is the $ source) and other unethical behavior. She 
> makes her sales through smart marketing, hard work, and winning the trust of 
> her clients. Perhaps a rarity, but a winning strategy in a world where 
> reputation, referrals, and repeat business can make all the difference.
> 
> Son, don't let this one get away!!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be decent after its fixed.

2016-06-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Flywheel terminal on an automatic?

Could it be he means "torque converter" ???  Seems an unusual problem..


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Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be decent after its fixed.

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 20:14:23 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes
 wrote:

> They sale flywheels very cheaply.
> 
> The potato cam pics make it look pretty good.

"Potato cam" never heard that term before, but it does well describe
most "point and shoot" cameras.

> Wonder how he knows it is the flywheel and not a starter alignment
> issue?

I asked him what symptoms led him to conclude it was a flywheel problem.
I have not heard back yet.

> Hard to argue with the price.

It is reasonable, isn't it?

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap

It's local to me

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> I'd snag it if it were on East coact.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Wow how funny

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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That being said, I like how the Association of Realtors offers “creative 
> marketing tools” for selling stigmatized properties.
> 
> http://www.realtor.org/field-guides/field-guide-to-dealing-with-stigmatized-properties
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
>> rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different 
>> product.
>> 
>> I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
>> weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
>> shown the house to begin with.
>> 
>> This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
>> from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
>> only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
>> violent acts.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
>>> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
>>> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
>>> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
>>> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards 
>>> as physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if 
>>> it bothered you.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Here they call it psychologically impacted property

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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
> rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different 
> product.
> 
> I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
> weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
> shown the house to begin with.
> 
> This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
> from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
> only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
> violent acts.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
>> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
>> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
>> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
>> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as 
>> physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
>> bothered you.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

2016-06-03 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

While it is true that good ethics are not common in sales, there's a place for 
someone in sales (houses, cars...whatever) for a person who develops a 
reputation and referrals as a result. I sold cars for about a year quite a ways 
back and lost some sales because I would not screw the customers. So I was not 
the top sales guy, but not the bottom either.

The son's GF has been working as a buyers' agent for a bit over 6 mos. and has 
been leading her office in sales. I hear tales of other agents stealing her 
sales by claiming to kick back commission to the buyer (when it is actually the 
seller who is the $ source) and other unethical behavior. She makes her sales 
through smart marketing, hard work, and winning the trust of her clients. 
Perhaps a rarity, but a winning strategy in a world where reputation, 
referrals, and repeat business can make all the difference.

Son, don't let this one get away!!

Greg

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Certainly in this case it wouldn’t apply, since it wasn’t your house that was 
stigmatized.  However, from an ethical standpoint I would think that they would 
disclose something like that or again, just not show the house.

But then again, we’re dealing with realtors.  I rest my case.

Dan

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if something 
> happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.
> 
> --JC
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

This is also why, for many years, we have often forgone the use of a realtor 
and used a good real estate attorney and a home inspection company, along with 
doing our due diligence.

Dan


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 19:23:18 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> That being said, I like how the Association of Realtors offers
>> “creative marketing tools” for selling stigmatized properties.
>> 
>> http://www.realtor.org/field-guides/field-guide-to-dealing-with-stigmatized-properties
> 
> Thanks, Dan. That will be a help when we are looking for a house in
> Indiana.
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse,
>>> realtors rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same
>>> MO, different product.
> 
> Sort of like lawyers, 97% of whom give the rest a bad name.
> 
> 
>>> I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it
>>> if they weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they
>>> wouldn’t have shown the house to begin with.
>>> 
>>> This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this
>>> varies from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.
>>> California is the only state that I know of that expressly requires
>>> disclosure of deaths or violent acts.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
 According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are
 obligated to discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably
 apparent in the properties they deal with. Once an agent discovers,
 or should have discovered, an adverse condition, she must disclose
 it to the buyer. With the courts increasingly holding stigma-type
 defects to the same disclosure standards as physical defects, the
 safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.
> 
> Interesting comments.
> 
> I have not waded through the attached, which are from
> 
> http://www.realtor.org/about-nar/governing-documents/the-code-of-ethics
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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[MBZ] 2002 nisson fronter


ac ice cold runs great

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5618398851.html

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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should mess with this.

What's with that interior?  Looks like a redneck Earl Scheib seat cover 
kind of job, plus all the stuff missing.  I like that color though.


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Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be decent after its fixed.


They sale flywheels very cheaply.

The potato cam pics make it look pretty good.  Wonder how he knows it is 
the flywheel and not a starter alignment issue?  Hard to argue with the 
price.


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

We have those guys around here, then we have the Nascarians/Anglos who are 
sleazebags and rip you off or don’t know what they’re doing.  Like the guys who 
came around and “trimmed” a couple of oak trees in my neighbor’s yard.

My arborist came by one day to check on a couple of trees we had him put in 
last year, and when he saw what these hacks did to the oak trees next door I 
thought he was going to burst into tears.

I’m all for these guys to come in and hustle to make a buck.  Sure, they send a 
lot of it home, but they’re still spending money here and doing an honest day’s 
work.

Dan


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The house was new and it was actually for sale by the builder, no realtor on 
> their part.  Our person was someone my wife met at the workout place when she 
> was down for an interview, they were on side-by-side treadmills or something. 
> So she was our representative, which to me means she was representing OUR 
> interests in finding a place to live.  My wife was really pissed about that 
> aspect of it.  But the realtor got her split of the fees so no issue for her 
> whether she was ethical or not.  I had no particular expectations of her so 
> no particular disappointment, but I thought it was a little sleazy.
> 
> I can see the builder not saying anything, their person at the house when we 
> looked at it probably didn't even know, she was just there to monitor things 
> at an open house sort of deal.  There were two women there, one of them, some 
> sort of assistant, engaged me in a lengthy story about how she and her 
> husband were driving from Nawlins to Houston in a convertible with the top 
> down, it was stuck and wouldn't go up, it was sunny and very hot and she was 
> swooning so she started praying hard for relief, and Jesus sent a cloud to 
> cover the sun that followed them all the way to Houston, hallelujah!  I 
> thought she was going to start rolling on the floor and speaking in tongues, 
> it was pretty bizarre but I later came to realize that was part of the 
> package there.  Ooo Kkk
> 
> BTW, on another aspect, the Mex trabajadores I would see around working on 
> house construction worked their butts off, 7-7, as did the landscapers and 
> any others I dealt with.  I was very impressed with their work ethic, it was 
> a lot better than some of the lazy merkins around.  They had some significant 
> motivations to work hard, make money, and better themselves, whatever the 
> issues about them being illegals.  I would gladly trade some of ours for 
> them. We had a landscape guy, Sanchez, who showed up the first time in some 
> clapped out little japmobile with a mower and weedwhacker and rakes and such 
> in the trunk, just him. Hit up my wife who hired him, I usually did the 
> mowing etc. as we had just a small lot and grass to deal with.  By the time 
> we left he had a new nice Ford F-150, 3 crews with trucks and trailers and a 
> full suite of equipment, 3 guys per, they would show up, unload, get to work 
> and be gone in 15min for $25.  He pretty much ended up owning our little 
> city.  Run the numbers and you can see how well he was doing, starting from 
> pretty much nothing.  He worked on credit, would come around every week or 
> two to collect, always asked if there were any problems, great customer 
> service.  If something outside the normal mowing, etc. needed to be done, he 
> would do it himself, no stranger to hot hard work.  I had him deal with the 
> house after we left before it was sold, my neighbor kept an eye on him, no 
> problems ever.  That guy was going places.
> 
> --R
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap


"I have to sale it soon."  Might be worth flipping with a bit of fixerupper.

--JC


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

The house was new and it was actually for sale by the builder, no 
realtor on their part.  Our person was someone my wife met at the 
workout place when she was down for an interview, they were on 
side-by-side treadmills or something. So she was our representative, 
which to me means she was representing OUR interests in finding a place 
to live.  My wife was really pissed about that aspect of it.  But the 
realtor got her split of the fees so no issue for her whether she was 
ethical or not.  I had no particular expectations of her so no 
particular disappointment, but I thought it was a little sleazy.


I can see the builder not saying anything, their person at the house 
when we looked at it probably didn't even know, she was just there to 
monitor things at an open house sort of deal.  There were two women 
there, one of them, some sort of assistant, engaged me in a lengthy 
story about how she and her husband were driving from Nawlins to Houston 
in a convertible with the top down, it was stuck and wouldn't go up, it 
was sunny and very hot and she was swooning so she started praying hard 
for relief, and Jesus sent a cloud to cover the sun that followed them 
all the way to Houston, hallelujah!  I thought she was going to start 
rolling on the floor and speaking in tongues, it was pretty bizarre but 
I later came to realize that was part of the package there.  Ooo 
Kkk


BTW, on another aspect, the Mex trabajadores I would see around working 
on house construction worked their butts off, 7-7, as did the 
landscapers and any others I dealt with.  I was very impressed with 
their work ethic, it was a lot better than some of the lazy merkins 
around.  They had some significant motivations to work hard, make money, 
and better themselves, whatever the issues about them being illegals.  I 
would gladly trade some of ours for them. We had a landscape guy, 
Sanchez, who showed up the first time in some clapped out little 
japmobile with a mower and weedwhacker and rakes and such in the trunk, 
just him. Hit up my wife who hired him, I usually did the mowing etc. as 
we had just a small lot and grass to deal with.  By the time we left he 
had a new nice Ford F-150, 3 crews with trucks and trailers and a full 
suite of equipment, 3 guys per, they would show up, unload, get to work 
and be gone in 15min for $25.  He pretty much ended up owning our little 
city.  Run the numbers and you can see how well he was doing, starting 
from pretty much nothing.  He worked on credit, would come around every 
week or two to collect, always asked if there were any problems, great 
customer service.  If something outside the normal mowing, etc. needed 
to be done, he would do it himself, no stranger to hot hard work.  I had 
him deal with the house after we left before it was sold, my neighbor 
kept an eye on him, no problems ever.  That guy was going places.


--R

On 6/3/16 7:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Certainly in this case it wouldn’t apply, since it wasn’t your house that was 
stigmatized.  However, from an ethical standpoint I would think that they would 
disclose something like that or again, just not show the house.

But then again, we’re dealing with realtors.  I rest my case.

Dan


On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
wrote:

In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if something 
happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.

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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap

2016-06-03 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

I'd snag it if it were on East coact.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
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[MBZ] I want one


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Certainly in this case it wouldn’t apply, since it wasn’t your house that was 
stigmatized.  However, from an ethical standpoint I would think that they would 
disclose something like that or again, just not show the house.

But then again, we’re dealing with realtors.  I rest my case.

Dan

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if something 
> happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.
> 
> --JC
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

2016-06-03 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

That's why, when considering moving to a new area I have always subscribed to a 
local newspaper for at least a few months before taking the plunge.

Greg

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No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different product.

I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
shown the house to begin with.

This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
violent acts.

Dan

> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as 
> physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
> bothered you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

That being said, I like how the Association of Realtors offers “creative 
marketing tools” for selling stigmatized properties.

http://www.realtor.org/field-guides/field-guide-to-dealing-with-stigmatized-properties

Dan



> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
> rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different 
> product.
> 
> I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
> weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
> shown the house to begin with.
> 
> This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
> from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
> only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
> violent acts.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
>> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
>> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
>> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
>> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as 
>> physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
>> bothered you.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if 
something happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.


--JC


On 6/3/16 7:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different product.

I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
shown the house to begin with.

This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
violent acts.

Dan


According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an adverse 
condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts increasingly 
holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as physical 
defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.



  

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A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
bothered you.

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different product.

I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
shown the house to begin with.

This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
violent acts.

Dan

> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as 
> physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
> bothered you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
bothered you.

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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> OK I should be working but...
> 
> We moved to Houston in 1999 from the Boston area.  I rented a big box truck 
> to haul a bunch of my workshop stuff and some other things because it was 
> heavy and the movers would have charged a lot.  So I'm driving this thing 
> down through KY, was going to stop and see my parents who lived in Western KY 
> at the time.  I was going through Lexington, listening to the public radio 
> station, they had this long story on about this guy who had raped and tried 
> to kill a coupla kids, left them for dead on the railroad tracks. I think 
> they were students at UK, one might have died, I don't exactly remember.  So 
> then they talked about all these other rapes and murders that had happened 
> around the country, LE thinks it is the same guy as they were all close to 
> railroad tracks.  One happened recently in Houston, in West University Place 
> (it is a separate small city within Houston) where we had just bought the 
> house.  They called the guy the "Railroad Killer." Hmmm I'm thinking...
> 
> So I get there a coupla days later, wife and daughter had flown down, the 
> realtor we used picked them up at the airport and we all got to the house 
> within a few minutes of each other (good planning!).  So we check out the 
> house, chat a bit.  The house had been newly built in the neighborhood, 
> builder having torn down a little 2-3 BR house that was falling apart, and 
> that was kinda the procedure in the neighborhood.  So there was always a lot 
> of construction, and in Houston it is all hispanics, mostly Mexicans, mostly 
> illegals.  There were railroad tracks across the street behind a row of 
> houses on the street to the side (we were on a corner), it was not too busy 
> at that time, maybe 2-3 trains a day, but one ran through late at night.
> 
> So I bring up this thing I had heard on the radio, and ask the realtor if she 
> knew anything about that.  Now this realtor was all friendly and such, and 
> trying to be helpful, get us settled in, anything we needed.  So then she 
> says oh yeah everyone knows about it.  So we talk about it a minute and I 
> ask, so where did the woman get killed?  She gets all stuttering and 
> stammering and finally points to the house directly across the street.  My 
> wife and I just about dropped one right there.  WTF?  So then she gets all 
> kind of evasive when we ask why she never mentioned it, etc. and finally 
> decides she needs to leave.  Well, that was a surprise, huh?  The railroad 
> killer apparently jumped a train right across the street, comes and kills the 
> neighbor in her bed, while OK I should be working but...
> 
> We moved to Houston in 1999 from the Boston area.  I rented a big box truck 
> to haul a bunch of my workshop stuff and some other things because it was 
> heavy and the movers would have charged a lot.  So I'm driving this thing 
> down through KY, was going to stop and see my parents who lived in Western KY 
> at the time.  I was going through Lexington, listening to the public radio 
> station, they had this long story on about this guy who had raped and tried 
> to kill a coupla kids, left them for dead on the railroad tracks. I think 
> they were students at UK, one might have died, I don't exactly remember.  So 
> then they talked about all these other rapes and murders that had happened 
> around the country, LE thinks it is the same guy as they were all close to 
> railroad tracks.  One happened recently in Houston, in West University Place 
> (it is a separate small city within Houston) where we had just bought the 
> house.  They called the guy the "Railroad Killer." Hmmm I'm thinking...
> 
> So I get there a coupla days later, wife and daughter had flown down, the 
> realtor we used picked them up at the airport and we all got to the house 
> within a few minutes of each other (good planning!).  So we check out the 
> house, chat a bit.  The house had been newly built in the neighborhood, 
> builder having torn down a little 2-3 BR house that was falling apart, and 
> that was kinda the procedure in the neighborhood.  So there was always a lot 
> of construction, and in Houston it is all hispanics, mostly Mexicans, mostly 
> illegals.  There were railroad tracks across the street behind a row of 
> houses on the street to the side (we were on a corner), it was not too busy 
> at that time, maybe 2-3 trains a day, but one ran through late at night.
> 
> So I bring up this thing I had heard on the radio, and ask the realtor if she 
> knew anything about that.  Now this realtor was all friendly and such, and 
> trying to be helpful, get us settled in, anything we needed.  So then she 
> says oh yeah everyone knows about it.  So we talk about it a minute and I 
> ask, so where did

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story


OK I should be working but...

We moved to Houston in 1999 from the Boston area.  I rented a big box 
truck to haul a bunch of my workshop stuff and some other things because 
it was heavy and the movers would have charged a lot.  So I'm driving 
this thing down through KY, was going to stop and see my parents who 
lived in Western KY at the time.  I was going through Lexington, 
listening to the public radio station, they had this long story on about 
this guy who had raped and tried to kill a coupla kids, left them for 
dead on the railroad tracks. I think they were students at UK, one might 
have died, I don't exactly remember.  So then they talked about all 
these other rapes and murders that had happened around the country, LE 
thinks it is the same guy as they were all close to railroad tracks.  
One happened recently in Houston, in West University Place (it is a 
separate small city within Houston) where we had just bought the house.  
They called the guy the "Railroad Killer." Hmmm I'm thinking...


So I get there a coupla days later, wife and daughter had flown down, 
the realtor we used picked them up at the airport and we all got to the 
house within a few minutes of each other (good planning!).  So we check 
out the house, chat a bit.  The house had been newly built in the 
neighborhood, builder having torn down a little 2-3 BR house that was 
falling apart, and that was kinda the procedure in the neighborhood.  So 
there was always a lot of construction, and in Houston it is all 
hispanics, mostly Mexicans, mostly illegals.  There were railroad tracks 
across the street behind a row of houses on the street to the side (we 
were on a corner), it was not too busy at that time, maybe 2-3 trains a 
day, but one ran through late at night.


So I bring up this thing I had heard on the radio, and ask the realtor 
if she knew anything about that.  Now this realtor was all friendly and 
such, and trying to be helpful, get us settled in, anything we needed.  
So then she says oh yeah everyone knows about it.  So we talk about it a 
minute and I ask, so where did the woman get killed?  She gets all 
stuttering and stammering and finally points to the house directly 
across the street.  My wife and I just about dropped one right there.  
WTF?  So then she gets all kind of evasive when we ask why she never 
mentioned it, etc. and finally decides she needs to leave.  Well, that 
was a surprise, huh?  The railroad killer apparently jumped a train 
right across the street, comes and kills the neighbor in her bed, while 
doing other quite vile things to her before and after her death.  It was 
horrible, like really horrible.  I'm not sure it would have made a 
difference in us buying the house or not if we had known, but it would 
have been nice.  Turns out the sellers/realtors only have to disclose 
that kind of stuff if it happened in the particular house for sale.  So 
there was no compulsion to tell about it, but still...


I found out details later, apparently the garage door did not close all 
the way, it was up maybe a foot or so, and he got in that way, then 
through the door into the house.  Found the woman asleep and did the 
deeds.  She was a doctor, her husband was a supervisor or something on 
oil rigs, so he was gone half the time.  At that time I think he was on 
land, but had gone off to see his kids from another marriage or 
something, the cops wondered if they had issues but it turned out not, 
he was off somewhere a ways away with the kids at the time.  There were 
some suspicions she might have had something going on on the side, maybe 
a boyfriend did it, but that never sorted out either.  They didn't find 
the woman for 2-3 days when she didn't show up to work, someone went 
over or called the husband or something to get in.


Our house was under construction at the time, and they had some 
indications the guy was hispanic (DNA or something, or the UK kid(s) who 
lived reported it.  So naturally the workers at the house, who could see 
comings and goings, that the woman was alone, etc. were prime suspects, 
figured it might be a drifter who worked for awhile here and there then 
did the deeds and moved on. Reasonable hypothesis.  Apparently that 
never panned out, but a lot of those guys come and go so they could 
never track them all down for sure.


I was working out of the house, my office was upstairs in front so I 
could see goings on out the window, in front and over toward the houses 
by the tracks on the side street.  Every now and then a whole load of 
cops would show up and be going crazy, someone calling with a "sighting" 
or something.  At some point a few weeks after we moved in a couple move 
into the murder house, he was a retired doc, and come to find out she 
was an FBI agent.  They were living there with the possibility the guy 
could return at some point and if so they could deal with him.  
Apparently that is a trait of serial killers so the FBI were trying to 
cover

[MBZ] This looks like it might be decent after its fixed.



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Well it's your color.

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Re: [MBZ] On another note

Everything is fine. Same o same o family stuff.

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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 03/06/2016 4:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I had to take the wife to the urgent care just now. I work hard and pay a 
>> ton of money a month for insurance premiums even on our rather decent 
>> company plan. So they come out and say they won't see her till we pay $500+ 
>> in bills. Our plan does not have copayment we have to pay 100% until the 
>> deductible of $2k per year is met. Ok so I pay it. Why they had not sent us 
>> the bills yet I don't know. While all this is going on here comes this woman 
>> getting her 4 kids seen and let's them know it's Sooner care, which is the 
>> state paid welfare insurance plan. Glad I could pay for her kids.
>> 
>> Sorry, I'm on a rant and a roll today.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans

Well don't keep us in suspense. 

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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I shall relate my story at some point of when our house in Houston was being 
> built.  It was a very sordid and sad affair. Many of you might remember the 
> events.
> 
> 
> --JC
> 
> 
>> On 6/3/16 5:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>>> On 03/06/2016 4:20 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
>>> All you have to do is come running down the street toward the job site 
>>> shouting "La Migra! La Migra!" and it will clear out faster than you will 
>>> be able to see. Seriously.
>>> 
>>> --JC
>>> 
 On 6/3/16 4:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 While we were in OKC with my dad for a heart procedure the R320 was parked 
 at his house for 3 days. In the lot next door there is a pack of Mexicans 
 building 2 duplexes. The house has been in my family for almost 50 years 
 and we have not had any trouble in the neighborhood.  Now that Mexicans 
 are working next door all the sudden the tires on the R were slashed. 
 H. Apparently my dad had raised some hell with them about their loud 
 music at 7am and such. Maybe they decided to get revenge. Wonder how mani 
 are actually legal. Rant over.
>> 
>> You are showing your prejudices.
>> No real reason to believe it was the Mexicans who damaged your tires.
>> More likely some neighborhood kid.
>> Neighborhoods change over time - usually not for the better.
>> The successful people move on up to bigger, better and newer and the people 
>> who fill their spots are not always the sort we want as neighbors. The 
>> housing stock gets older and more run down and attracts the poorer folks.
>> Many people resent you just because you have a Mercedes, even if it is an 
>> old one.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans

I shall relate my story at some point of when our house in Houston was 
being built.  It was a very sordid and sad affair. Many of you might 
remember the events.



--JC


On 6/3/16 5:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 03/06/2016 4:20 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
All you have to do is come running down the street toward the job 
site shouting "La Migra! La Migra!" and it will clear out faster than 
you will be able to see. Seriously.


--JC

On 6/3/16 4:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
While we were in OKC with my dad for a heart procedure the R320 was 
parked at his house for 3 days. In the lot next door there is a pack 
of Mexicans building 2 duplexes. The house has been in my family for 
almost 50 years and we have not had any trouble in the 
neighborhood.  Now that Mexicans are working next door all the 
sudden the tires on the R were slashed. H. Apparently my dad had 
raised some hell with them about their loud music at 7am and such. 
Maybe they decided to get revenge. Wonder how mani are actually 
legal. Rant over.


You are showing your prejudices.
No real reason to believe it was the Mexicans who damaged your tires.
More likely some neighborhood kid.
Neighborhoods change over time - usually not for the better.
The successful people move on up to bigger, better and newer and the 
people who fill their spots are not always the sort we want as 
neighbors. The housing stock gets older and more run down and attracts 
the poorer folks.
Many people resent you just because you have a Mercedes, even if it is 
an old one.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans

There are no kids in the area. All the people who own their houses here have 
all been here about as long as my family. My grandparents bought this house in 
70 and most of the other houses have been in the same family's even before 
then. This new addition of duplexes in a single home lot right next door to my 
dads and the fact that he had been out telling them to quiet down it just seems 
logical. No proof but even the cop who came over to take the report said it was 
pretty obvious is was some of them workers there. 

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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 03/06/2016 4:20 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
>> All you have to do is come running down the street toward the job site 
>> shouting "La Migra! La Migra!" and it will clear out faster than you will be 
>> able to see.  Seriously.
>> 
>> --JC
>> 
>>> On 6/3/16 4:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> While we were in OKC with my dad for a heart procedure the R320 was parked 
>>> at his house for 3 days. In the lot next door there is a pack of Mexicans 
>>> building 2 duplexes. The house has been in my family for almost 50 years 
>>> and we have not had any trouble in the neighborhood.  Now that Mexicans are 
>>> working next door all the sudden the tires on the R were slashed. H. 
>>> Apparently my dad had raised some hell with them about their loud music at 
>>> 7am and such. Maybe they decided to get revenge. Wonder how mani are 
>>> actually legal. Rant over.
> 
> You are showing your prejudices.
> No real reason to believe it was the Mexicans who damaged your tires.
> More likely some neighborhood kid.
> Neighborhoods change over time - usually not for the better.
> The successful people move on up to bigger, better and newer and the people 
> who fill their spots are not always the sort we want as neighbors. The 
> housing stock gets older and more run down and attracts the poorer folks.
> Many people resent you just because you have a Mercedes, even if it is an old 
> one.
> 
> RB
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On 03/06/2016 4:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I had to take the wife to the urgent care just now. I work hard and pay a ton 
of money a month for insurance premiums even on our rather decent company plan. 
So they come out and say they won't see her till we pay $500+ in bills. Our 
plan does not have copayment we have to pay 100% until the deductible of $2k 
per year is met. Ok so I pay it. Why they had not sent us the bills yet I don't 
know. While all this is going on here comes this woman getting her 4 kids seen 
and let's them know it's Sooner care, which is the state paid welfare insurance 
plan. Glad I could pay for her kids.

Sorry, I'm on a rant and a roll today.

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I had to take the wife to the urgent care just now. I work hard and pay a ton 
of money a month for insurance premiums even on our rather decent company plan. 
So they come out and say they won't see her till we pay $500+ in bills. Our 
plan does not have copayment we have to pay 100% until the deductible of $2k 
per year is met. Ok so I pay it. Why they had not sent us the bills yet I don't 
know. While all this is going on here comes this woman getting her 4 kids seen 
and let's them know it's Sooner care, which is the state paid welfare insurance 
plan. Glad I could pay for her kids.

Sorry, I'm on a rant and a roll today.

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans


On 03/06/2016 4:20 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote:
All you have to do is come running down the street toward the job site 
shouting "La Migra! La Migra!" and it will clear out faster than you 
will be able to see.  Seriously.


--JC

On 6/3/16 4:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
While we were in OKC with my dad for a heart procedure the R320 was 
parked at his house for 3 days. In the lot next door there is a pack 
of Mexicans building 2 duplexes. The house has been in my family for 
almost 50 years and we have not had any trouble in the neighborhood.  
Now that Mexicans are working next door all the sudden the tires on 
the R were slashed. H. Apparently my dad had raised some hell 
with them about their loud music at 7am and such. Maybe they decided 
to get revenge. Wonder how mani are actually legal. Rant over.


You are showing your prejudices.
No real reason to believe it was the Mexicans who damaged your tires.
More likely some neighborhood kid.
Neighborhoods change over time - usually not for the better.
The successful people move on up to bigger, better and newer and the 
people who fill their spots are not always the sort we want as 
neighbors. The housing stock gets older and more run down and attracts 
the poorer folks.
Many people resent you just because you have a Mercedes, even if it is 
an old one.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans

Or do what I used to do to a friend in Milwaukee who always had Peruvian 
“nannies” for his kids.

Bang on the front door and yell “Immigration!”

He was really ticked at me one time I did it because the woman who was there at 
the time started trying to climb out a second story window when she heard me.

Hee.  I thought it was funny.

Dan


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All you have to do is come running down the street toward the job site 
> shouting "La Migra! La Migra!" and it will clear out faster than you will be 
> able to see.  Seriously.
> 
> --JC
> 
> On 6/3/16 4:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> While we were in OKC with my dad for a heart procedure the R320 was parked 
>> at his house for 3 days. In the lot next door there is a pack of Mexicans 
>> building 2 duplexes. The house has been in my family for almost 50 years and 
>> we have not had any trouble in the neighborhood.  Now that Mexicans are 
>> working next door all the sudden the tires on the R were slashed. H. 
>> Apparently my dad had raised some hell with them about their loud music at 
>> 7am and such. Maybe they decided to get revenge. Wonder how mani are 
>> actually legal. Rant over.
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans

All you have to do is come running down the street toward the job site 
shouting "La Migra! La Migra!" and it will clear out faster than you 
will be able to see.  Seriously.


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On 6/3/16 4:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

While we were in OKC with my dad for a heart procedure the R320 was parked at 
his house for 3 days. In the lot next door there is a pack of Mexicans building 
2 duplexes. The house has been in my family for almost 50 years and we have not 
had any trouble in the neighborhood.  Now that Mexicans are working next door 
all the sudden the tires on the R were slashed. H. Apparently my dad had 
raised some hell with them about their loud music at 7am and such. Maybe they 
decided to get revenge. Wonder how mani are actually legal. Rant over.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans

2016-06-03 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Kaleb inquires:

>Wonder how mani are actually >legal.
>

It doesn't matter. The rule of law no longer exists. For that matter, the USA 
as many of us remember growing up in, no longer exists. 

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
 
Rick 
Meteor 2016
"Just get it over with"

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[MBZ] Mexicans

While we were in OKC with my dad for a heart procedure the R320 was parked at 
his house for 3 days. In the lot next door there is a pack of Mexicans building 
2 duplexes. The house has been in my family for almost 50 years and we have not 
had any trouble in the neighborhood.  Now that Mexicans are working next door 
all the sudden the tires on the R were slashed. H. Apparently my dad had 
raised some hell with them about their loud music at 7am and such. Maybe they 
decided to get revenge. Wonder how mani are actually legal. Rant over.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] bike mechanic i am


On 02/06/2016 11:57 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes wrote:

we sold and serviced bicycles before motor scooters (for about 20 years)

was it randy? call me about the raleigh bike, i love them the most

i can tell you what to do

706 540-3285 i can talk you through any repairs but the 3 speed sturmy-archer 
rear hub … you need some diagrams and likely some pawl springs to service them 
but they'll usually work (and you oil them not grease them except for on 
disassembly for the bearings)


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

www.javaphoto.com
www.javacycles.com
LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
www.ricktheprinter.com
www.letterpressmachinery.com

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Thanks for the offer Rick.
If I run into issues, I will contact you.
I have been convinced that I had better take it apart and clean and 
re-lube the bearings.
I have a book on bicycle repair that I must have bought about 30 years 
ago so I can reference it.

Have the thin wrenches in my tool box.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - more computer questions


On 02/06/2016 6:46 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Randy wrote:

I am trying to edit some video from our visit to Hawaii back in
January and am bogging down the computer.

Do I need to upgrade the whole thing to something newer or can I
improve it enough without going that far?

Depends on the software more than anything.

Bigger, badder, stronger means faster.  If you are patient, I would
bet you could do the job with what you have.

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Re: [MBZ] Computers

2016-06-03 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes


It took next to forever, but the MacPro is finally deployed
in place of my wife's G5 quad.  Running up-to-the-minute
software, gobs of RAM, and an SSD for the OS and apps, with
a 1T for user files, it should be good for awhile now.  The
30" monitor is awfully easy on the eyes.  It just finished
its first Time Machine backup overnight, 200GB, and so is ready.
Has 10.6 on a partition, for Rosetta if it should be needed,
and 10.7 as a fallback OS in case of updates or damage
to the ElCapitan installation.  (Officially not supported
on that machine, but works fine.)

Now for the other one!  I have to solder on a new battery
holder...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] New Mercedes Diesel Engines

2016-06-03 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

I keep waiting for someone to develop a bioreactor fuel source. Oh wait - I
think that is called a horse. But one without all the balky tendencies and
with a smaller package would be nice.
On Jun 3, 2016 5:04 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
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> "Continuous improvement"
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> Isn't that what human life is all about?
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> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Craig via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Semi OT: Virtual Machines


Good to know, but it still sounds like a disease.


Craig via Mercedes 
June 2, 2016 at 11:40 PMvia Postbox 


On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 23:14:35 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
  wrote:


But not Mac?

Sounds interesting other than that.



 From http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/

Sylpheed runs on many systems such as Windows,
Linux, BSD, Mac OS X and other Unix-like systems.


On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:25:56 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
  wrote:


Craig wrote:

Sylpheed uses the MBox format -- a file for each email.

MBox is a file per mailbox/folder.  Maildir is the file per email
format.



I was indeed wrong about the MBox format.

 From http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/features.html

Messages are managed with MH format on which a file
corresponds to a message, so you can easily backup,
migrate, and process them with other applications.
There is also less risk of mail loss when a system
failure occurs, compared to formats on which a file
corresponds to a folder. Messages are instantly moved
or deleted with this format when asked to, so users
don't have to perform periodic compaction of mailboxes
by hand to prevent the growth of mailboxes.


Craig

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Curley McLain 
June 2, 2016 at 11:14 PMvia Postbox 


But not Mac?

Sounds interesting other than that.


Craig via Mercedes 
June 2, 2016 at 7:54 PMvia Postbox 


On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 18:42:05 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes

Sylpheed uses the MBox format -- a file for each email.

It's available for Linux and Winders.


Craig

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June 2, 2016 at 6:42 PMvia Postbox 


Curley wrote:

What's the current thought on VMs?  Is Virtual Box still as good
as any free one?



I want to install a VM and put 10.6.8 on it via time machine
restore so I can still access the eudora files from 10.11 El Crap.


I started out rolling my own using qemu.  Then I used VMWare
no-cost stuff, but dealing with all the kernel patches to make it
work with stock Debian was a pain.  By then, VirtualBox free/open
was doing well and was in the Debian repository - so I migrated.

I've been using it quite a lot since.  Not just for MSWin.  I have
a few Linux guests too.

VirtualBox seems to need more RAM than VMWare did.  But the
simplicity of using it and the free/open license has been worth it
for me.

One thing I really like is how easy it is to copy my MSWin install
from one host to another. Export>  Import - done.

The VirtualBox "hardware" is almost certainly different than what
was running your OS when you made the TimeMachine backup.  I don't
know how it will do restoring...

And, I recall that Eudora used MBox format.  That is a very widely
used format with lots of tools for manipulating, converting, etc.
You shouldn't have to use a guest OS just to access old Eudora
files - unless you want to _run_ Eudora.

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June 2, 2016 at 10:07 AMvia Postbox 

What's the current thought on VMs?  Is Virtual Box still as good as 
any free one?  I installed Vbox in 2012, but never used it. If I had 
ever needed winders, I had planned to put it on the VBox.  I want to 
install a VM and put 10.6.8 on it via time machine restore so I can 
still access the eudora files from 10.11 El Crap.


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Re: [MBZ] New Mercedes Diesel Engines

2016-06-03 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

"Continuous improvement"

Isn't that what human life is all about?

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Re: [MBZ] Semi OT: Virtual Machines

2016-06-03 Thread Ed Booher via Mercedes

*sniff sniff* Oh IRIX, you were so beautiful. To have your life cut so
short is a tragedy. *pours one out for my homies*

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> Good info!  thanks.  (Unix Remote desktop user in 1996-1998 Remember SGI?)
> M$ terminal services admin/user 1999-2015)   I can see where that would be
> a great thing.
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Re: [MBZ] Convert AC Back to R12