Re: [MBZ] OT: Lantern charging part 3 CIqFlieIy4

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 23:46:50 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 18:08:14 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > I've got an idea for that, more to come.
> 
> We're waiting!
> 
> 
> Craig

Now this is wierd. The system bounced my email, saying a code was
necessary, so I resend it with the code and both messages show up.


Craig


But this time, it doesn't post it without the code.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lantern charging part 3 ANAfLxIW7Y

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 18:08:14 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Initial results were good as you can see in the pic, 1.7v. My USB
> booster is supposed to start working at .9v so thats enough power,
> especially if I set up a couple in series. Sadly it didn't last, once
> everything was completely heated up it dropped to .5v which is where it
> stayed. As an experiment I stacked another heatsink on top of the first
> one: immediate jump which climbed to just under 1v before dropping back
> to .5 again.

Which is what Fred or Phillip (I forget which) said would happen. You
have to keep up a temperature difference.


> So I need to make a system that sheds heat better. 

Maybe a CPU heatsink with a heat pipe to get the "cool" end away from the
top of the hot lantern?


> I've got an idea for that, more to come.

We're waiting!


Craig

Regarding the code: HEY, LET'S GET THIS FIXED!!!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lantern charging part 3

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 18:08:14 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Initial results were good as you can see in the pic, 1.7v. My USB
> booster is supposed to start working at .9v so thats enough power,
> especially if I set up a couple in series. Sadly it didn't last, once
> everything was completely heated up it dropped to .5v which is where it
> stayed. As an experiment I stacked another heatsink on top of the first
> one: immediate jump which climbed to just under 1v before dropping back
> to .5 again.

Which is what Fred or Phillip (I forget which) said would happen. You
have to keep up a temperature difference.


> So I need to make a system that sheds heat better. 

Maybe a CPU heatsink with a heat pipe to get the "cool" end away from the
top of the hot lantern?


> I've got an idea for that, more to come.

We're waiting!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - ebay resolution

[clay via Mercedes]

File paypal item not gotten report.  Jerk I sold a SL500 to decided that things 
were not moving fast enough (he had not gotten the shipper on board) so pulled 
that stunt.  Froze the payment and pretty much clawed it back until I had the 
car on the truck headed his way.  Then had to beg him to release the dang funds 
or the seller was going to report the car stolen.

clay

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 6:45 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> paid for an item at ebay.
> 8-hours later, the seller closed all auctions and none of the listings
> show anymore and seller is listed at ebay as not a registered user.
> i filed resolution request.
> does resolution process freeze money paid to seller?
> seller asked why i filed a case.
> well, duh - you disappeared, eh?  seller has item and money, i have nuttin'
> maybe paypal will refund if seller is deadbeat?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[clay via Mercedes]

I got out the glaze and went to town on the many pits in the paint on Polei.  
Found one of the new tires was flat, so after making the car looks as if it 
were a crime scene blood spatter test bed, the wheel went back to the tire shop.

The glaze takes a 320 or 400 grit paper, which I do not have, so will pick some 
up to sand flat the repairs when i pick up my tire.

clay

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 08/09/2016 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Where's the diesel content?
>> 
> 
> Well, it seems pretty obvious that most of you lazy folks are not doing much 
> work on old Mercedes diesels as was the original intent of the list, or else 
> are too lazy to bother telling us about it and giving us clues on how to fix 
> our own poor old worn out broken Mercedes diesels, given that much of the 
> posting on this list has nothing whatsoever to do with old Mercedes diesels.
> 
> Not everything is obvious. Sometimes you have to infer what people mean by 
> their comments.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You are assuming that gas prices will stay this low. It was not that long
ago that $4/gal. gas was common. What will it be next year? Who knows - -
will we put up with the fracking that's causing earthquakes to keep gas
prices low?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have liked the Jeep Grand Wagoneer ever since I was kid.  Maybe it was
> because we could never afford one or it could just be because I like the
> looks of them.   I was thinking about trying to find one to buy.  The
> prices on them are outrageous - but that is another subject.  One thing I
> was considering was how bad the gas mileage is for them.  They get about
> 11-12 mpg.  With cars routinely getting 20-35 mpg (or more) anything that
> gets 11 or 12 sounds truly awful.  Of course, when gas was $1.25 a gallon
> people didn't care that much.  And gas is still relatively cheap when
> compared to the price increases in other things (food, housing, medical
> costs, etc).  I started thinking about whether we (as Americans) are really
> concerned about gas mileage.  I have seen lots of anecdotal evidence (and a
> few actual studies) that show selling a car or trading in a car to get a
> newer car only to increase gas mileage doesn't really make economic sense
> when you consider all the factors.  Of course, if your primary concern is
> fuel mileage than it does make sense.
>
> I did the math and my current car (2001 BMW 740iL) costs me approximately
> $1900 a year in gas (premium unleaded). If I bought a Grand Wagoneer, which
> would be widely regarded as a gas hog, the cost for the same 15,000 miles
> of driving would be approximately $2500.  So, for about $50 extra a month I
> can drive a gas guzzler Grand Wagoneer.  Therefore, the question is does it
> really bother me to buy one extra tank of gas per month?   Probably not.
> This surprised me because when I first considered a Wagoneer my immediate
> reaction was the gas mileage would really hurt and I thought it would be a
> real burden.  But, its really one extra tank a month - who cares.  And my
> own attitude has me a little concerned.  Shouldn't I care more?
>
> I suppose if I was driving a car that averaged 30 mpg, then I would be
> spending about $1000 a year and multiplying my fuel cost by 2.5 times
> probably would be noticeable and painful.
>
> I don't know if this is just food for thought or my own rambling thoughts
> that may or may not be relevant.
>
> Don Snook
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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'll give you $500 for it ;)

  From: Jim Cathey 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?
   
My 1997 pickup (which was around $26k used with 16kmi on it) is hovering around 
$60k new, now.Mine's barely broken in, at 105kmi.
-- Jim


   
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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My 1997 pickup (which was around $26k used with 16kmi on it) is hovering
around $60k new, now.
Mine's barely broken in, at 105kmi.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No, not at all. Read it again.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 8:24 PM
If you're trying to suggest pickups are cheap then try again. They 
easily price into the stratosphere, to get seating for 4 you're 
already over the price of a Prius...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I still need to figure out how to get more action from the idle adjustment
> cable.


I pull them, tape the small end into the vacuum pump hose, and dip the knob
end into ATF.  They work, umm... _slick_, after that!

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - ebay resolution

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

eBay and Paypal are all about the buyers these days so you are well protected. 
Make your case with the seller and see how it goes.
-Curt

  From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
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Cc: Mountain Man 
 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 9:45 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT - ebay resolution
   
paid for an item at ebay.
8-hours later, the seller closed all auctions and none of the listings
show anymore and seller is listed at ebay as not a registered user.
i filed resolution request.
does resolution process freeze money paid to seller?
seller asked why i filed a case.
well, duh - you disappeared, eh?  seller has item and money, i have nuttin'
maybe paypal will refund if seller is deadbeat?
mao

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[MBZ] OT - ebay resolution

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

paid for an item at ebay.
8-hours later, the seller closed all auctions and none of the listings
show anymore and seller is listed at ebay as not a registered user.
i filed resolution request.
does resolution process freeze money paid to seller?
seller asked why i filed a case.
well, duh - you disappeared, eh?  seller has item and money, i have nuttin'
maybe paypal will refund if seller is deadbeat?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you're trying to suggest pickups are cheap then try again. They easily price 
into the stratosphere, to get seating for 4 you're already over the price of a 
Prius...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 4:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?
   
That is exactly why po' folks who seldom leave the county or say a 30 
mile radius, drove the big ol boats of the 70s and 80s for decades.  the 
cheapness of buying the car offset the loss in fuel consumption.  When 
we were driving over 60 miles a day, 6-7 days a week, the wabbit dissel, 
and later the Quantum, and Escort Dissels made sense.  I could justify 
the cost of a new escort on fuel savings alone over the 17 MPG Plymie 
Valiant.

A $500 boat nobody wants vs a $5000 car buys a lot of fuel on a modest 
number of  miles/year.  The trick is to find a boat in good shape for $500.

Merkun ppl have figgered this out, as most new vehicles sold are pickups 
and SUVs that are NOT miserly.  Back in 1975, you could not give away a 
peecup or a suburban, or even the big bronco/rumchugger/whatever the GM 
versions were called.  Caddys were cheap, as were linkuns and the big 
crypslers.

> Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> September 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM
> I have liked the Jeep Grand Wagoneer ever since I was kid. Maybe it 
> was because we could never afford one or it could just be because I 
> like the looks of them. I was thinking about trying to find one to 
> buy. The prices on them are outrageous - but that is another subject. 
> One thing I was considering was how bad the gas mileage is for them. 
> They get about 11-12 mpg. With cars routinely getting 20-35 mpg (or 
> more) anything that gets 11 or 12 sounds truly awful. Of course, when 
> gas was $1.25 a gallon people didn't care that much. And gas is still 
> relatively cheap when compared to the price increases in other things 
> (food, housing, medical costs, etc). I started thinking about whether 
> we (as Americans) are really concerned about gas mileage. I have seen 
> lots of anecdotal evidence (and a few actual studies) that show 
> selling a car or trading in a car to get a newer car only to increase 
> gas mileage doesn't really make economic sense when you consider all 
> the factors. Of course, if your primary concern is fuel mileage than 
> it does make sense.
>
> I did the math and my current car (2001 BMW 740iL) costs me 
> approximately $1900 a year in gas (premium unleaded). If I bought a 
> Grand Wagoneer, which would be widely regarded as a gas hog, the cost 
> for the same 15,000 miles of driving would be approximately $2500. So, 
> for about $50 extra a month I can drive a gas guzzler Grand Wagoneer. 
> Therefore, the question is does it really bother me to buy one extra 
> tank of gas per month? Probably not. This surprised me because when I 
> first considered a Wagoneer my immediate reaction was the gas mileage 
> would really hurt and I thought it would be a real burden. But, its 
> really one extra tank a month - who cares. And my own attitude has me 
> a little concerned. Shouldn't I care more?
>
> I suppose if I was driving a car that averaged 30 mpg, then I would be 
> spending about $1000 a year and multiplying my fuel cost by 2.5 times 
> probably would be noticeable and painful.
>
> I don't know if this is just food for thought or my own rambling 
> thoughts that may or may not be relevant.
>
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The HF tires are crap-tastic. 2 years would be a good lifespan for them. Theres 
gotta be a better option but Junk Supply is not it...
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 6:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief
   
I might go buy HF tomorrow and find a tar or tube or something, it is on 
the way to the battery place.  I actually got the little trailer at 
Tractor Supply but the other day I went there for poodle food and their 
cheepchineechittars are not very cheepcheep, so HF it is for probably 
the same craptastic tar.

--FT


On 9/8/16 6:14 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> On 08/09/2016 5:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have to get a new battery for the SD tomorrow.  I will post a note 
>> on how the expedition and replacement went.
>>
>> BTW the trailer tar is still holding air, thanks to shoegoo.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>
> We should start a pool on how long that tire will last if you try to 
> actually use it.
> I think I would be looking for a new tire and tube (or maybe 2 of them 
> if you want to use the trailer).
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Window Switch Q

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Trade you a Meyle front rotor, will fit your wagons.I'll deliver and 
pick-up, if you treat me to a beer.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 8, 2016 5:05:18 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I have a boxful of spare 123 window switches.  Make me an offer.
>
>On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I use regular grease.
>>
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Most of the stuff I do is routine so I don't bother y'all with it, but 
when I get puzzled, or forgot how I did something years ago, or need 
better sources, I consult the wisdom of the list.


With new exhaust, new motor mounts, new tars, rotors, calipers, brake 
master and brake fluid, and the work on the trans, the old 240D is 
pretty nice.  I could work on the body tinwork, and the valve cover 
vacuum valve for the trans (if Tom can get the prastic parts, and if I 
can spare the $$$ to buy the cheep prastic) and a few other little 
things like that, but other priorities intervene.  I still need to 
figure out how to get more action from the idle adjustment cable.


The fight with the left motor mount was memorable, and that fight was 
posted for future reference.


I took the tractor to Lowes and to the Kolledge of Ag BBq last weekend, 
just as excuses to run it somewhere.  (OT content)

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM


Well, it seems pretty obvious that most of you lazy folks are not 
doing much work on old Mercedes diesels as was the original intent of 
the list, or else are too lazy to bother telling us about it and 
giving us clues on how to fix our own poor old worn out broken 
Mercedes diesels, given that much of the posting on this list has 
nothing whatsoever to do with old Mercedes diesels.


Not everything is obvious. Sometimes you have to infer what people 
mean by their comments.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, income levels knows no color.  As I wrote that, I was thinking of 
folks who work, but whose income has been eroded by inflation and 
stagnant wages, small farmers, often farmers with medium and large 
farms, people with manufacturing jobs, warehousing jobs, housing 
maintenance and the like.  People with small businesses whose income is 
eroded by gummit taxes and regulations.  Main street USA, outside of the 
big cities and the bankers, lawyers, medicos, Ins agents, gummit 
employees, (school employees) etc who have higher income levels.  The 
ppl I am talking about earn 20-50k a year and have no money for car 
payments.  Around here, most of those folks are pale, but they come in 
all shapes and colors.


Specifically, I know of a boiler operating engineer who has a small farm 
on a gravel road.  They never had anything but a big old boat.  Great 
people, volunteer for a lot of community events, but not on a high 
income level.  He probably makes 40-50k a year, the goobermnt takes half 
or more in taxes, so they are left with a couple thou a month to live on 
and the home/land with its payment, tax and ins cost take most of 
that.   Most of the small farmers I know work in town and drive a big 
old boat to work as long as they could find one.   Now it is more often 
a frod or shovey car as those are pretty cheap when they are old.


For most people in this country that don't buy new cars, the price of 
the car is a bigger matter than the MPG..


For those of us who drive/drove higher than average miles per year, MPG 
is a big factor.   When you can go from 17 to 45-50, with lotsa miles, 
MPG is a big factor.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 5:15 PM
I have an old black friend who was an agitator back in the 60s and 
still is somewhat.  In one discussion he was going on about why black 
people drive old CVs and Cadillacs and such -- because they're 
cheepcheep -- but then have to pay a lot for gas (not so much these 
days, but relatively) since they generally get lower gas mileage than 
newer cars.  So he viewed this as another way that black people cannot 
take part in societal progress, and are penalized for being poor and 
driving cheepcheep old cars.


I tend not to argue with him about things, but just kinda take in his 
views on issues, some of which are quite perspicacious given his 
history.  He is a Korean War veteran, got shot over there at 
Christmas, which always affects his enjoyment of the holiday.  He came 
back home after getting shot and recovering, was trying to get home 
from Columbia SC, wearing his uniform, and a bunch of dumbass crackers 
told him he couldn't ride the bus.  At that time he could not talk 
back to them or they probably would have finished what he almost got 
in Korea.  He waited a couple hours for a later bus and managed to get 
on that after the crackers left on the other one.  This sort of thing, 
among others, informs his views.


--FT



Curley McLain 
September 8, 2016 at 3:09 PM
That is exactly why po' folks who seldom leave the county or say a 30 
mile radius, drove the big ol boats of the 70s and 80s for decades.  
the cheapness of buying the car offset the loss in fuel consumption.   
When we were driving over 60 miles a day, 6-7 days a week, the wabbit 
dissel, and later the Quantum, and Escort Dissels made sense.  I could 
justify the cost of a new escort on fuel savings alone over the 17 MPG 
Plymie Valiant.


A $500 boat nobody wants vs a $5000 car buys a lot of fuel on a modest 
number of  miles/year.  The trick is to find a boat in good shape for 
$500.


Merkun ppl have figgered this out, as most new vehicles sold are 
pickups and SUVs that are NOT miserly.  Back in 1975, you could not 
give away a peecup or a suburban, or even the big 
bronco/rumchugger/whatever the GM versions were called.  Caddys were 
cheap, as were linkuns and the big crypslers.



Donald Snook via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM
I have liked the Jeep Grand Wagoneer ever since I was kid. Maybe it 
was because we could never afford one or it could just be because I 
like the looks of them. I was thinking about trying to find one to 
buy. The prices on them are outrageous - but that is another subject. 
One thing I was considering was how bad the gas mileage is for them. 
They get about 11-12 mpg. With cars routinely getting 20-35 mpg (or 
more) anything that gets 11 or 12 sounds truly awful. Of course, when 
gas was $1.25 a gallon people didn't care that much. And gas is still 
relatively cheap when compared to the price increases in other things 
(food, housing, medical costs, etc). I started thinking about whether 
we (as Americans) are really concerned about gas mileage. I have seen 
lots of anecdotal evidence (and a few actual studies) that show 
selling a car or trading in a car to get a newer car only to increase 
gas mileage doesn't really make economic 

Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Well, Hell.

The Chowdah Q is coming up on Saturday and for the last two months I've been 
whaling on my 1985 300TD in an attempt to get it ready for a (THE) trip to 
Rhode Island.

So, This is the current state of affairs.

R starter, and now it starts, replaced the Battery (Autozone's Finest).

Replaced in no particular order:- Disks F, Calipers F (Bendix, ATE), Pads 
(Pagid) F, Freed up parking brake and cables, Front shocks (Bilstein), Center 
link (Jacked it up and bent it, SH*T), Steering damper, Rubber boots on the tie 
rods, Changed oil (M1) and Filter (Mann), changed both Primary and Secondary 
fuel filters (Mann), replaced all 4 Accessory belts (Continental), and 
installed the A/C Compressor that Kaleb sent to me, Lo these many years ago, 
replaced all three wiper blades (Bosch). Et F-ing cetera.

Had the shop put on the set of Tyres (General Altimax) rescued from 2 years 
lost in the darkness of my cellar, balance and perform an alignment.

Tomorrow is replace the center driveshaft bearing and mount and vacu-suck the 
A/C system etc. so, if the goddess wills, the W123 will make it to R.I. 
Saturday. (And home too!).

Sorry that I have been so quiet. I thought that you all deserved a break from 
my incessant blather.

There have been other fixes that I cannot call to mind.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 08 September 2016 21:23
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Randy Bennell
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

On 08/09/2016 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Where's the diesel content?
>

Well, it seems pretty obvious that most of you lazy folks are not doing
much work on old Mercedes diesels as was the original intent of the
list, or else are too lazy to bother telling us about it and giving us
clues on how to fix our own poor old worn out broken Mercedes diesels,
given that much of the posting on this list has nothing whatsoever to do
with old Mercedes diesels.
RB
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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I might go buy HF tomorrow and find a tar or tube or something, it is on 
the way to the battery place.  I actually got the little trailer at 
Tractor Supply but the other day I went there for poodle food and their 
cheepchineechittars are not very cheepcheep, so HF it is for probably 
the same craptastic tar.


--FT


On 9/8/16 6:14 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 08/09/2016 5:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I have to get a new battery for the SD tomorrow.  I will post a note 
on how the expedition and replacement went.


BTW the trailer tar is still holding air, thanks to shoegoo.

--FT



We should start a pool on how long that tire will last if you try to 
actually use it.
I think I would be looking for a new tire and tube (or maybe 2 of them 
if you want to use the trailer).


RB

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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have an old black friend who was an agitator back in the 60s and still 
is somewhat.  In one discussion he was going on about why black people 
drive old CVs and Cadillacs and such -- because they're cheepcheep -- 
but then have to pay a lot for gas (not so much these days, but 
relatively) since they generally get lower gas mileage than newer cars.  
So he viewed this as another way that black people cannot take part in 
societal progress, and are penalized for being poor and driving 
cheepcheep old cars.


I tend not to argue with him about things, but just kinda take in his 
views on issues, some of which are quite perspicacious given his 
history.  He is a Korean War veteran, got shot over there at Christmas, 
which always affects his enjoyment of the holiday.  He came back home 
after getting shot and recovering, was trying to get home from Columbia 
SC, wearing his uniform, and a bunch of dumbass crackers told him he 
couldn't ride the bus.  At that time he could not talk back to them or 
they probably would have finished what he almost got in Korea.  He 
waited a couple hours for a later bus and managed to get on that after 
the crackers left on the other one.  This sort of thing, among others, 
informs his views.


--FT

On 9/8/16 4:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
That is exactly why po' folks who seldom leave the county or say a 30 
mile radius, drove the big ol boats of the 70s and 80s for decades.  
the cheapness of buying the car offset the loss in fuel consumption.   
When we were driving over 60 miles a day, 6-7 days a week, the wabbit 
dissel, and later the Quantum, and Escort Dissels made sense.  I could 
justify the cost of a new escort on fuel savings alone over the 17 MPG 
Plymie Valiant.


A $500 boat nobody wants vs a $5000 car buys a lot of fuel on a modest 
number of  miles/year.  The trick is to find a boat in good shape for 
$500.


Merkun ppl have figgered this out, as most new vehicles sold are 
pickups and SUVs that are NOT miserly.  Back in 1975, you could not 
give away a peecup or a suburban, or even the big 
bronco/rumchugger/whatever the GM versions were called.  Caddys were 
cheap, as were linkuns and the big crypslers. 


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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/09/2016 5:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I have to get a new battery for the SD tomorrow.  I will post a note 
on how the expedition and replacement went.


BTW the trailer tar is still holding air, thanks to shoegoo.

--FT



We should start a pool on how long that tire will last if you try to 
actually use it.
I think I would be looking for a new tire and tube (or maybe 2 of them 
if you want to use the trailer).


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have to get a new battery for the SD tomorrow.  I will post a note on 
how the expedition and replacement went.


BTW the trailer tar is still holding air, thanks to shoegoo.

--FT


On 9/8/16 5:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 08/09/2016 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Where's the diesel content?



Well, it seems pretty obvious that most of you lazy folks are not 
doing much work on old Mercedes diesels as was the original intent of 
the list, or else are too lazy to bother telling us about it and 
giving us clues on how to fix our own poor old worn out broken 
Mercedes diesels, given that much of the posting on this list has 
nothing whatsoever to do with old Mercedes diesels.


Not everything is obvious. Sometimes you have to infer what people 
mean by their comments.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap stretch Wuz: The SDL

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The AGD car!


On 9/8/16 4:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Herbie!


clay via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 3:18 PM
I have a set of table rails. the sort that allows you to stretch a 
table. Maybe those will be useful. Then Jim could have a short as 
well as LONG wheel base car.


clay




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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

If he wins the two big cases he mentioned, his chauffeur will be picking him up 
in his Rolls and driving him out to his bizjet.
Gerry

> You don't drive very much... I average twice your mileage so for me the 
> difference would be more like $100 a month, but actually the change would be 
> from my 50mpg Jetta down so a really massive change. My commute is 59 miles 
> each way which is absurd I know...
> This is why we have more than one vehicle, the Jetta was cheap and having it 
> keeps miles off the Dodge and saves money on fuel. Its also cheaper to 
> maintain a crapbox fwd than a 4wd anything, everything about it is cheaper so 
> it basically pays for itself.
> Not sure if that helps, everybody's situation is different.
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Donald Snook 
>  Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:39 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?
>
> I have liked the Jeep Grand Wagoneer ever since I was kid.  Maybe it was 
> because we could never afford one or it could just be because I like the 
> looks of them.  I was thinking about trying to find one to buy.  The prices 
> on them are outrageous - but that is another subject.  One thing I was 
> considering was how bad the gas mileage is for them.  They get about 11-12 
> mpg.  With cars routinely getting 20-35 mpg (or more) anything that gets 11 
> or 12 sounds truly awful.  Of course, when gas was $1.25 a gallon people 
> didn't care that much.  And gas is still relatively cheap when compared to 
> the price increases in other things (food, housing, medical costs, etc).  I 
> started thinking about whether we (as Americans) are really concerned about 
> gas mileage.  I have seen lots of anecdotal evidence (and a few actual 
> studies) that show selling a car or trading in a car to get a newer car only 
> to increase gas mileage doesn't really make economic sense when you consider 
> all the factors.  Of course, if your primary concern is fuel mileage than it 
> does make sense.
> 
> I did the math and my current car (2001 BMW 740iL) costs me approximately 
> $1900 a year in gas (premium unleaded). If I bought a Grand Wagoneer, which 
> would be widely regarded as a gas hog, the cost for the same 15,000 miles of 
> driving would be approximately $2500.  So, for about $50 extra a month I can 
> drive a gas guzzler Grand Wagoneer.  Therefore, the question is does it 
> really bother me to buy one extra tank of gas per month?  Probably not.    
> This surprised me because when I first considered a Wagoneer my immediate 
> reaction was the gas mileage would really hurt and I thought it would be a 
> real burden.  But, its really one extra tank a month - who cares.  And my own 
> attitude has me a little concerned.  Shouldn't I care more?
> 
> I suppose if I was driving a car that averaged 30 mpg, then I would be 
> spending about $1000 a year and multiplying my fuel cost by 2.5 times 
> probably would be noticeable and painful.
> 
> I don't know if this is just food for thought or my own rambling thoughts 
> that may or may not be relevant.
> 
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Accumulators bad?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The SLS pump for the leveling system.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Which pump?
> 
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 5:23 PM, MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Yep. Drove up to the library and the improvement in ride was definitely
>> noticeable. Well worth the cost and the 2 hours to do the job. Next is the
>> o-rings and seal in the pump. Will be picking the ones from MB up tomorrow.
>> The other two I got when I was in town yesterday.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> 
>> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:48:18 -0500
>>> From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> Yup, you had 2 major symptoms.  change in ride and loss of oel.
>>> 
>>> Waytago!  Glad ya changed em!I never liked having to buy 2 new ones,
>>> but the improvement always made the cost justified.
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Re: [MBZ] Accumulators bad?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Which pump?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 5:23 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yep. Drove up to the library and the improvement in ride was definitely
> noticeable. Well worth the cost and the 2 hours to do the job. Next is the
> o-rings and seal in the pump. Will be picking the ones from MB up tomorrow.
> The other two I got when I was in town yesterday.
>
> Manfred
>
>
> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:48:18 -0500
>> From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Yup, you had 2 major symptoms.  change in ride and loss of oel.
>>
>> Waytago!  Glad ya changed em!I never liked having to buy 2 new ones,
>> but the improvement always made the cost justified.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If only Curley put his creative mendacity to good use he might become an
EXCELLENT used car salesman.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 08/09/2016 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Where's the diesel content?
>>
>>
> Well, it seems pretty obvious that most of you lazy folks are not doing
> much work on old Mercedes diesels as was the original intent of the list,
> or else are too lazy to bother telling us about it and giving us clues on
> how to fix our own poor old worn out broken Mercedes diesels, given that
> much of the posting on this list has nothing whatsoever to do with old
> Mercedes diesels.
>
> Not everything is obvious. Sometimes you have to infer what people mean by
> their comments.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/09/2016 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Where's the diesel content?



Well, it seems pretty obvious that most of you lazy folks are not doing 
much work on old Mercedes diesels as was the original intent of the 
list, or else are too lazy to bother telling us about it and giving us 
clues on how to fix our own poor old worn out broken Mercedes diesels, 
given that much of the posting on this list has nothing whatsoever to do 
with old Mercedes diesels.


Not everything is obvious. Sometimes you have to infer what people mean 
by their comments.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Accumulators bad?

[MG via Mercedes]

Yep. Drove up to the library and the improvement in ride was 
definitely noticeable. Well worth the cost and the 2 hours to do 
the job. Next is the o-rings and seal in the pump. Will be 
picking the ones from MB up tomorrow. The other two I got when I 
was in town yesterday.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:48:18 -0500
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

Yup, you had 2 major symptoms.  change in ride and loss of oel.

Waytago!  Glad ya changed em!I never liked having to buy 2 new ones, 
but the improvement always made the cost justified.




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Re: [MBZ] Window Switch Q

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I have a boxful of spare 123 window switches.  Make me an offer.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> I use regular grease.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Where's the diesel content?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, the laziness in chief,  HRH BO the bummer L.I.C, H.I.C., was in
> laos, telling the few who would listen that Merkuns are lazy.  Can you say
> pot, kettle black?
>
>
> This Lazy in chief is the laziest prez since sometime before TR.  (over
> 116 years) 10 golf games while LA floods, the same BO who shrilly scolded
> Prez Bush for not landing while surveying the Katrina Damage.  At least
> Bush went to understand the problem while trying to avoid making himself
> the story.  BO is  Hypocrite in Chief in addition to being Lazy in Chief.
> More vacations than the previous 3 or 4 Prez together...And this sack
> of hoya calls US lazy?
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Re: [MBZ] Accumulators bad?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

SoO has your ride improved?

(Hint:  The correct answer should be YES.)

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like to bleed the system by loosening the flexible hose connections at
> the top of each strut, which is where all the trapped air will end up.
>
> -
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[MBZ] Frankenheap stretch Wuz: The SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Herbie!


clay via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 3:18 PM
I have a set of table rails. the sort that allows you to stretch a 
table. Maybe those will be useful. Then Jim could have a short as well 
as LONG wheel base car.


clay




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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

I have a set of table rails.  the sort that allows you to stretch a table.  
Maybe those will be useful.  Then Jim could have a short as well as LONG wheel 
base car.

clay

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like an opportunity for a YouTube show, "Frankenheap rescue!". Jack up 
> both ends so its not sagging and weld some bed rails in...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Jim Cathey 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The SDL
> 
> 
> passenger seat is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's lost 
> interest. Maybe that shiny new BMW is having a profound effect on him?
> 
> No, not too happy with the X5 lately.  It's running badly, recently needed a 
> new cat, etc.Yes, have lost most interest in the 'heap, but haven't decided 
> whether to resurrect itor not for this year.
> 
> However, if Clay should choose to relinquish his title to Jim, then Jim would 
> get the rusted through, slowly collapsing Grand Champion Bottomfeeder Loving 
> Cup instead of Clay.
> 
> I think the 'heap is much rustier now than Gump was.  Can't open a door 
> because of body sag is a major negative point, as is the passenger seat 
> falling through the floor.  And, the microwave metal I welded on is now all 
> rusting through again.  Headlights are starting to come off the body, etc.
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Don,

Don't forget to factor in the cost of insurance.  Your thinking is sound -
economics usually trumps environmental concerns (about which there are many
opinions, but in the end it is your $$$ and your life to live).

-
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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is exactly why po' folks who seldom leave the county or say a 30 
mile radius, drove the big ol boats of the 70s and 80s for decades.  the 
cheapness of buying the car offset the loss in fuel consumption.   When 
we were driving over 60 miles a day, 6-7 days a week, the wabbit dissel, 
and later the Quantum, and Escort Dissels made sense.  I could justify 
the cost of a new escort on fuel savings alone over the 17 MPG Plymie 
Valiant.


A $500 boat nobody wants vs a $5000 car buys a lot of fuel on a modest 
number of  miles/year.  The trick is to find a boat in good shape for $500.


Merkun ppl have figgered this out, as most new vehicles sold are pickups 
and SUVs that are NOT miserly.  Back in 1975, you could not give away a 
peecup or a suburban, or even the big bronco/rumchugger/whatever the GM 
versions were called.  Caddys were cheap, as were linkuns and the big 
crypslers.



Donald Snook via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM
I have liked the Jeep Grand Wagoneer ever since I was kid. Maybe it 
was because we could never afford one or it could just be because I 
like the looks of them. I was thinking about trying to find one to 
buy. The prices on them are outrageous - but that is another subject. 
One thing I was considering was how bad the gas mileage is for them. 
They get about 11-12 mpg. With cars routinely getting 20-35 mpg (or 
more) anything that gets 11 or 12 sounds truly awful. Of course, when 
gas was $1.25 a gallon people didn't care that much. And gas is still 
relatively cheap when compared to the price increases in other things 
(food, housing, medical costs, etc). I started thinking about whether 
we (as Americans) are really concerned about gas mileage. I have seen 
lots of anecdotal evidence (and a few actual studies) that show 
selling a car or trading in a car to get a newer car only to increase 
gas mileage doesn't really make economic sense when you consider all 
the factors. Of course, if your primary concern is fuel mileage than 
it does make sense.


I did the math and my current car (2001 BMW 740iL) costs me 
approximately $1900 a year in gas (premium unleaded). If I bought a 
Grand Wagoneer, which would be widely regarded as a gas hog, the cost 
for the same 15,000 miles of driving would be approximately $2500. So, 
for about $50 extra a month I can drive a gas guzzler Grand Wagoneer. 
Therefore, the question is does it really bother me to buy one extra 
tank of gas per month? Probably not. This surprised me because when I 
first considered a Wagoneer my immediate reaction was the gas mileage 
would really hurt and I thought it would be a real burden. But, its 
really one extra tank a month - who cares. And my own attitude has me 
a little concerned. Shouldn't I care more?


I suppose if I was driving a car that averaged 30 mpg, then I would be 
spending about $1000 a year and multiplying my fuel cost by 2.5 times 
probably would be noticeable and painful.


I don't know if this is just food for thought or my own rambling 
thoughts that may or may not be relevant.


Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I think the last of the Grand Wagoneers was made in 1991.
So, I think it might be a fine hobby vehicle but probably not a good 
daily driver.
If you want something like that to drive every day, then get a newer 
Tahoe or Expedition.


http://wagoneers.com/

John Meister also has an interest in diesel Mercedes and ran a list for 
a time. I do not know if it still exists.


RB



On 08/09/2016 12:39 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

I have liked the Jeep Grand Wagoneer ever since I was kid.  Maybe it was 
because we could never afford one or it could just be because I like the looks 
of them.   I was thinking about trying to find one to buy.  The prices on them 
are outrageous - but that is another subject.  One thing I was considering was 
how bad the gas mileage is for them.  They get about 11-12 mpg.  With cars 
routinely getting 20-35 mpg (or more) anything that gets 11 or 12 sounds truly 
awful.  Of course, when gas was $1.25 a gallon people didn't care that much.  
And gas is still relatively cheap when compared to the price increases in other 
things (food, housing, medical costs, etc).  I started thinking about whether 
we (as Americans) are really concerned about gas mileage.  I have seen lots of 
anecdotal evidence (and a few actual studies) that show selling a car or 
trading in a car to get a newer car only to increase gas mileage doesn't really 
make economic sense when you consider all the factors.  Of cours

e, if your primary concern is fuel mileage than it does make sense.


I did the math and my current car (2001 BMW 740iL) costs me approximately $1900 
a year in gas (premium unleaded). If I bought a Grand Wagoneer, which would be 
widely regarded as a gas hog, the cost for the same 15,000 miles of driving 
would be approximately $2500.  So, for about $50 extra a month I can drive a 
gas guzzler Grand Wagoneer.  Therefore, the question is does it really bother 
me to buy one extra tank of gas per month?   Probably not.This surprised me 
because when I first considered a Wagoneer my immediate reaction was the gas 
mileage would really hurt and I thought it would be a real burden.  But, its 
really one extra tank a month - who cares.  And my own attitude has me a little 
concerned.  Shouldn't I care more?

I suppose if I was driving a car that averaged 30 mpg, then I would be spending 
about $1000 a year and multiplying my fuel cost by 2.5 times probably would be 
noticeable and painful.

I don't know if this is just food for thought or my own rambling thoughts that 
may or may not be relevant.

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 1000 YouTube subscribers

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Congrats and Attaboy!!
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

Sent from my cell   

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yesterday I hit 1000 subscribers on my YouTube channel, I made a little video 
> to celebrate.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCrjqDXefs0
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[MBZ] mobeelone

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

NAPA have a "sale" 
https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/promotions/mobil-1-motor-oil



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[MBZ] OT: Lantern charging part 3

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Made a new rig today: 
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/Lanterns/IMG_20160908_120213299_HDR_zps9b5ia6y1.jpgI
 cut a flat disk out of some steel, it sits right above the center of the 
lantern, so in the hottest spot. Initial results were good as you can see in 
the pic, 1.7v. My USB booster is supposed to start working at .9v so thats 
enough power, especially if I set up a couple in series.
Sadly it didn't last, once everything was completely heated up it dropped to 
.5v 
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/Lanterns/IMG_20160908_121431871_HDR_zpssc8g8t0v.jpg
 which is where it stayed.
As an experiment I stacked another heatsink on top of the first one: 
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/Lanterns/IMG_20160908_121555238_HDR_zpsqa2ejpfd.jpg
 immediate jump which climbed to just under 1v before dropping back to .5 
againhttp://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/Lanterns/IMG_20160908_123053114_HDR_zps305w6zek.jpg

This was inside the garage where the temps were in the low 70s with no wind. 
Outside on a breezy day it'd probably do better but I don't think it would be 
all that much better.
So I need to make a system that sheds heat better. I've got an idea for that, 
more to come.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You don't drive very much... I average twice your mileage so for me the 
difference would be more like $100 a month, but actually the change would be 
from my 50mpg Jetta down so a really massive change. My commute is 59 miles 
each way which is absurd I know...
This is why we have more than one vehicle, the Jetta was cheap and having it 
keeps miles off the Dodge and saves money on fuel. Its also cheaper to maintain 
a crapbox fwd than a 4wd anything, everything about it is cheaper so it 
basically pays for itself.
Not sure if that helps, everybody's situation is different.
-Curt

  From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:39 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?
   
I have liked the Jeep Grand Wagoneer ever since I was kid.  Maybe it was 
because we could never afford one or it could just be because I like the looks 
of them.  I was thinking about trying to find one to buy.  The prices on them 
are outrageous - but that is another subject.  One thing I was considering was 
how bad the gas mileage is for them.  They get about 11-12 mpg.  With cars 
routinely getting 20-35 mpg (or more) anything that gets 11 or 12 sounds truly 
awful.  Of course, when gas was $1.25 a gallon people didn't care that much.  
And gas is still relatively cheap when compared to the price increases in other 
things (food, housing, medical costs, etc).  I started thinking about whether 
we (as Americans) are really concerned about gas mileage.  I have seen lots of 
anecdotal evidence (and a few actual studies) that show selling a car or 
trading in a car to get a newer car only to increase gas mileage doesn't really 
make economic sense when you consider all the factors.  Of course, if your 
primary concern is fuel mileage than it does make sense.

I did the math and my current car (2001 BMW 740iL) costs me approximately $1900 
a year in gas (premium unleaded). If I bought a Grand Wagoneer, which would be 
widely regarded as a gas hog, the cost for the same 15,000 miles of driving 
would be approximately $2500.  So, for about $50 extra a month I can drive a 
gas guzzler Grand Wagoneer.  Therefore, the question is does it really bother 
me to buy one extra tank of gas per month?  Probably not.    This surprised me 
because when I first considered a Wagoneer my immediate reaction was the gas 
mileage would really hurt and I thought it would be a real burden.  But, its 
really one extra tank a month - who cares.  And my own attitude has me a little 
concerned.  Shouldn't I care more?

I suppose if I was driving a car that averaged 30 mpg, then I would be spending 
about $1000 a year and multiplying my fuel cost by 2.5 times probably would be 
noticeable and painful.

I don't know if this is just food for thought or my own rambling thoughts that 
may or may not be relevant.

Don Snook
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[MBZ] How much do we really care about MPG?

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I have liked the Jeep Grand Wagoneer ever since I was kid.  Maybe it was 
because we could never afford one or it could just be because I like the looks 
of them.   I was thinking about trying to find one to buy.  The prices on them 
are outrageous - but that is another subject.  One thing I was considering was 
how bad the gas mileage is for them.  They get about 11-12 mpg.  With cars 
routinely getting 20-35 mpg (or more) anything that gets 11 or 12 sounds truly 
awful.  Of course, when gas was $1.25 a gallon people didn't care that much.  
And gas is still relatively cheap when compared to the price increases in other 
things (food, housing, medical costs, etc).  I started thinking about whether 
we (as Americans) are really concerned about gas mileage.  I have seen lots of 
anecdotal evidence (and a few actual studies) that show selling a car or 
trading in a car to get a newer car only to increase gas mileage doesn't really 
make economic sense when you consider all the factors.  Of course,
  if your primary concern is fuel mileage than it does make sense.

I did the math and my current car (2001 BMW 740iL) costs me approximately $1900 
a year in gas (premium unleaded). If I bought a Grand Wagoneer, which would be 
widely regarded as a gas hog, the cost for the same 15,000 miles of driving 
would be approximately $2500.  So, for about $50 extra a month I can drive a 
gas guzzler Grand Wagoneer.  Therefore, the question is does it really bother 
me to buy one extra tank of gas per month?   Probably not.This surprised me 
because when I first considered a Wagoneer my immediate reaction was the gas 
mileage would really hurt and I thought it would be a real burden.  But, its 
really one extra tank a month - who cares.  And my own attitude has me a little 
concerned.  Shouldn't I care more?

I suppose if I was driving a car that averaged 30 mpg, then I would be spending 
about $1000 a year and multiplying my fuel cost by 2.5 times probably would be 
noticeable and painful.

I don't know if this is just food for thought or my own rambling thoughts that 
may or may not be relevant.

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Accumulators bad?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I like to bleed the system by loosening the flexible hose connections at
the top of each strut, which is where all the trapped air will end up.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 1000 YouTube subscribers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I haven't, honestly wick lanterns/lamps are a lot less exciting, you put in 
fuel and they work, not much to it. At some point maybe I'll introduce them...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 1000 YouTube subscribers
   
Have you posted any videos of Aladdin lamps?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yesterday I hit 1000 subscribers on my YouTube channel, I made a little video 
to celebrate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=rCrjqDXefs0

-Curt
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[MBZ] Pick and Pull parts hunters

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I know several of us occasionally go to our local Pick and Pull places.  If 
anyone sees a rear bumper on a 1998-2001 740iL that is black, please let me 
know!  I am looking for one.

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

clay wrote:
> The W115 cars are rarer than hen’s teeth at PnP.  Trying to find a gen II 
> w126 is getting hard.

PnP is unobtainium in IL.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Accumulators bad?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yup, you had 2 major symptoms.  change in ride and loss of oel.

Waytago!  Glad ya changed em!I never liked having to buy 2 new ones, 
but the improvement always made the cost justified.



MG via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 11:22 AM
So for a couple of months or more I've been noticing that the rear end 
of my 83 300TD has been going up and down a bit more then normal when 
going over bumps. Not too bad but kind of like when the shocks are not 
too new any more and may need replacing.


About three weeks ago I noticed that the oil in the SLS tank was a 
little lower then half way so I put in enough to fill to Max and 
checked for leaks, of which there were none, so I said good to go.


Last week I checked the oil in the SLS tank again and found it down to 
Min or a bit below. No leaks. I dithered a while and on the 5th I 
ordered new accumulators from Parts Geek. They got here yesterday. Not 
bad shipping time.


Today I got under there and put a hose on the bleeder and let the oil 
out. WOW! So much gas in it that at first it looked like oil with 
water it was that white. About 3/4 of a quart later it stopped.


Changed the accumulators and checked the old ones. IF one was to go by 
the old way of checking by just pushing a little wood dowel
into the hole and see where the plug in there is one would assume that 
everything was good as the plug was right there about an inch or so 
in. Just like the new ones. Not satisfied I took a steel flatface 
punch that fit into the hole and pushed down on the plug. Don't do 
that at home. I almost got a face full of oil that squirted out of 
there. In other words there was still enough pressure in the gas bag 
to push oil out with an opening force of less then 75lbs or so that I 
was applying to the plug. So while they were still working, sort of, 
with the help of all the gas that had leaked out into the lines and 
struts, they were well on their way out.


On the new ones BTW I could not move the plug at all by pushing on it. 
Makes sense since there is somewhere around 400lbs or more of pressure 
in there.


I guess this confirms that if you have to suddenly put a lot of oil 
into the SLS tank without seeing any signs of a leak then you might 
want to check what the oil looks like coming out of the bleeder on the 
leveling valve. If it has a lot of foam then send for new accumulators 
because the ones you have in there are bad.


Manfred

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[MBZ] Accumulators bad?

[MG via Mercedes]

So for a couple of months or more I've been noticing that the 
rear end of my 83 300TD has been going up and down a bit more 
then normal when going over bumps. Not too bad but kind of like 
when the shocks are not too new any more and may need replacing.


About three weeks ago I noticed that the oil in the SLS tank was 
a little lower then half way so I put in enough to fill to Max 
and checked for leaks, of which there were none, so I said good 
to go.


Last week I checked the oil in the SLS tank again and found it 
down to Min or a bit below. No leaks. I dithered a while and on 
the 5th I ordered new accumulators from Parts Geek. They got here 
yesterday. Not bad shipping time.


Today I got under there and put a hose on the bleeder and let the 
oil out. WOW! So much gas in it that at first it looked like oil 
with water it was that white. About 3/4 of a quart later it stopped.


Changed the accumulators and checked the old ones. IF one was to 
go by the old way of checking by just pushing a little wood dowel
into the hole and see where the plug in there is one would assume 
that everything was good as the plug was right there about an 
inch or so in. Just like the new ones. Not satisfied I took a 
steel flatface punch that fit into the hole and pushed down on 
the plug. Don't do that at home. I almost got a face full of oil 
that squirted out of there. In other words there was still enough 
pressure in the gas bag to push oil out with an opening force of 
less then 75lbs or so that I was applying to the plug. So while 
they were still working, sort of, with the help of all the gas 
that had leaked out into the lines and struts, they were well on 
their way out.


On the new ones BTW I could not move the plug at all by pushing 
on it. Makes sense since there is somewhere around 400lbs or more 
of pressure in there.


I guess this confirms that if you have to suddenly put a lot of 
oil into the SLS tank without seeing any signs of a leak then you 
might want to check what the oil looks like coming out of the 
bleeder on the leveling valve. If it has a lot of foam then send 
for new accumulators because the ones you have in there are bad.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 1000 YouTube subscribers

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Have you posted any videos of Aladdin lamps?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yesterday I hit 1000 subscribers on my YouTube channel, I made a little
> video to celebrate.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCrjqDXefs0
>
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[MBZ] Lazy in Chief

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, the laziness in chief,  HRH BO the bummer L.I.C, H.I.C., was in 
laos, telling the few who would listen that Merkuns are lazy.  Can you 
say pot, kettle black?



This Lazy in chief is the laziest prez since sometime before TR.  (over 
116 years) 10 golf games while LA floods, the same BO who shrilly 
scolded Prez Bush for not landing while surveying the Katrina Damage.  
At least Bush went to understand the problem while trying to avoid 
making himself the story.  BO is  Hypocrite in Chief in addition to 
being Lazy in Chief.  More vacations than the previous 3 or 4 Prez 
together...And this sack of hoya calls US lazy?


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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When I wrote ends I really meant halves. You'd run 4x6s under the two halves to 
support the car with the angle iron (bed rails are bonus points) trapped 
between the blocks and the car. Jack up slowly, weld rails in place, very 
redneck...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
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 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] The SDL
   
naa, it is not the ends that sag, it is the center.  It is very difficult to 
get the parts aligned to replace/repair rockers that have allowed the body to 
sag.  My old winter 190Dc was that bad.  The old SDL is getting there.

The other difficulty is that there is little left to jack on where the jack 
won't punch through, or the metal wrinkles and buckles above the jack.

   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  September 8, 2016 at 9:24 AM  Sounds like an 
opportunity for a YouTube show, "Frankenheap rescue!". Jack up both ends so its 
not sagging and weld some bed rails in...
-Curt





   
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[MBZ] OT: 1000 YouTube subscribers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yesterday I hit 1000 subscribers on my YouTube channel, I made a little video 
to celebrate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCrjqDXefs0

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

naa, it is not the ends that sag, it is the center.  It is very 
difficult to get the parts aligned to replace/repair rockers that have 
allowed the body to sag.  My old winter 190Dc was that bad.  The old SDL 
is getting there.


The other difficulty is that there is little left to jack on where the 
jack won't punch through, or the metal wrinkles and buckles above the jack.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 9:24 AM
Sounds like an opportunity for a YouTube show, "Frankenheap rescue!". 
Jack up both ends so its not sagging and weld some bed rails in...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sounds like an opportunity for a YouTube show, "Frankenheap rescue!". Jack up 
both ends so its not sagging and weld some bed rails in...
-Curt

  From: Jim Cathey 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] The SDL
   

passenger seat is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's lost 
interest. Maybe that shiny new BMW is having a profound effect on him?

No, not too happy with the X5 lately.  It's running badly, recently needed a 
new cat, etc.Yes, have lost most interest in the 'heap, but haven't decided 
whether to resurrect itor not for this year.

However, if Clay should choose to relinquish his title to Jim, then Jim would 
get the rusted through, slowly collapsing Grand Champion Bottomfeeder Loving 
Cup instead of Clay.

I think the 'heap is much rustier now than Gump was.  Can't open a door because 
of body sag is a major negative point, as is the passenger seat falling through 
the floor.  And, the microwave metal I welded on is now all rusting through 
again.  Headlights are starting to come off the body, etc.
-- Jim


   
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Re: [MBZ] Microsoft Security Essentials BAAfIwpqXU

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its better than nothing but probably only just. Angie had it and a virus still 
managed to get through. I suspect she was phished through an email. She'll 
click on anything...
I've got Bit Defender on her computer now which seems to work well, at least it 
doesn't appear to have let anything through in a year.
Free anti-virus is probably worth exactly what you pay for it.
-Curt

  From: Craig via Mercedes 
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Cc: Craig 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 11:39 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Microsoft Security Essentials BAAfIwpqXU
   
The refurbished laptop I purchased came with Microsoft Security
Essentials installed, but not set up.

Is this program worth the bother and release of my system's information
to Microsoft?

Is there another, better choice for virus and other things. I have used
a free version of one whose name started with the "A", but I forget now
which one it was.

Craig

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[MBZ] Fw: Fw: Returned mail: see transcript for details AzAFHAyKN4 CeIfIcvRTQ AmYfjo5GwE aUAFJviGOm

[WILTON via Mercedes]

AMEN!!!


Wilton


- Original Message - 
From: "Craig via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Craig" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Returned mail: see transcript for details 
AzAFHAyKN4 CeIfIcvRTQ AmYfjo5GwE




On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 20:02:25 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


It thinks your email server is a spammer.  It thinks everyone's email
server is a spammer, except for the googles mail


My point is that because I am a member of the list, what others do on my
email server should have no effect on whether I am able to send an email
to the list.

So, as I said,


> Can we not get this fixed correctly once and for all???




Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Returned mail: see transcript for details AzAFHAyKN4

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Dare I say Yahoo has been an accepted server for awhile... I'll probably get 
blacklisted now.
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 8:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Returned mail: see transcript for details AzAFHAyKN4
   
It thinks your email server is a spammer.  It thinks everyone's email 
server is a spammer, except for the googles mail

--FT


On 9/7/16 7:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>    - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
> 
>      (reason: 554 5.7.1 Your email appears to be unsolicited and was not
> accepted by okiebenz.com . Please try usi...nt your email accepted resend
> it with the code aMyFHo5gwe appended to your email subject, thank you.)
>
>    - Transcript of session follows -
>
>
> So doesn't the okiebenz list manager know who is a member and who is not?
>
> Why does it keep doing this to list members?
>
> Can we not get this fixed correctly once and for all???
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Window Switch Q

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I use regular grease.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> If Jim manages to correct the body sag and the falling passenger seat, a
> special lifetime award must be created.


Don't be too impressed, I solved the door-closing problem several years ago
by locking that
rear door, haven't opened it since!  Can't let the seat business slide,
though.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] SDL mysteries

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They removed the idle speed cable to the dash.  That was replaced with 
the EDS.  When it works, it is fine.  When it goes wonky, it is very 
annoying.



clay via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 12:20 AM
Well, that is good to know.

Not planning to drive in the extreme cold.

Not sure why there would be a need for electronic idle control

clay


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Re: [MBZ] started restoring it needs to be finish it's in great shape

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I wonder if it really has a manual transmission?  Euro headlights, manny
tranny, maybe through in the OM603  Too bad I just bought a convertible.

I think M needs a convertible to balance out the cowboy Cadillacs that
ya'll drive.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 380SL with crappy pics $6k.  Smoke meth much?
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5767230794.html
>
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Re: [MBZ] Microsoft Security Essentials BAAfIwpqXU

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'll add another vote in favor of MSE.  The IT guru's I used to work with
all recommended it for private use because (a) doesn't slow down the
machine, 2: it's free, and iii. set it and forget it.  I think this is one
thing that M$ got right.  No complaints at all using it at home on Vista
and Win7.  When I switched my Vista PC's over to MSE, there was a very
noticeable increase in system speed across the board.  I had access to
enterprise versions of McAfee and Symantec, and MSE didn't use nearly the
resources that those two programs use.

You should also set up the Win7 firewall as well.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] A souvenir?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎>> Craig wrote:
> 
>> How about posting a link to >>your chart so we may benefit >>from your work?

Philip's reply:

>Sure!

>I just put them on http://host->a.net/fmiser


marshall-mail.zip

Marshal Booth was a incredible resource for Mercedes Benz car knowledge.

You can say that again. Hard to believe he has been gone for what, 10 years 
now? 

Time flies.  

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Microsoft Security Essentials BAAfIwpqXU

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Fmiser sez: 

>‎I use WinPatrol.

I had forgotten about that one. I used to use that, in conjunction with other 
programs, when I used Windows exclusively. I now use Linux. I boot into Windows 
once or twice a year now. 

‎>Good for aware users - 
>not so good for the clueless.

The 2% vs. the 98%.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 21:10:56 -0700
Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:

> >
> > passenger seat is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's
> > lost interest. Maybe that shiny new BMW is having a profound effect on him?
> 
> 
> No, not too happy with the X5 lately.  It's running badly, recently needed
> a new cat, etc.
> Yes, have lost most interest in the 'heap, but haven't decided whether to
> resurrect it
> or not for this year.
> 
> However, if Clay should choose to relinquish his title to Jim, then Jim
> > would get the rusted through, slowly collapsing Grand Champion Bottomfeeder
> > Loving Cup instead of Clay.
> 
> 
> I think the 'heap is much rustier now than Gump was.  Can't open a door
> because of body sag is a major negative point, as is the passenger seat
> falling through the floor.  And, the microwave metal I welded on is now all
> rusting through again.  Headlights are starting to come off the body, etc.
> 
> -- Jim
~~
I stand in awe! If Jim manages to correct the body sag and the falling 
passenger seat, a special lifetime award must be created.

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Re: [MBZ] Window Switch Q

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Rick wrote:
> 
> Fixin' to fix the window actuator switches in my W123 sedan.
> Should I lubricate the balls and springs with a dab of silicon
> grease?

When I have done it, I used wheel bearing grease.  Silicon should
work okay too, since it isn't metal-to-metal. (since silicon is a
poor lubricate in metal-to-metal, especially high load)

The grease will keep oxidation at bay as well as aid in the switch
action.

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Re: [MBZ] Microsoft Security Essentials BAAfIwpqXU

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Craig wrote:
> 
> Is there another, better choice for virus and other things. I
> have used a free version of one whose name started with the "A",
> but I forget now which one it was.

You could try ClamAV - Free, no cost, and open source.  It is a
virus/worm/trojan scanner.  It does NOT fix your files, it does NOT
"make you safe" - it is a tool that can really help if you use it.
I'm fairly sure there is a MSWin port.

I use WinPatrol.  Scotty the watchdog keeps an eye on system files,
registry, etc and alerts me if something suspicious happens in any
of it's watch area.  Often when I install software I get a warning,
"Hey, SuperDuper program wants to set a run-once executable.  Do
you want to allow this?"  These I usually allow.  Most everything
else I say "no".

Again, it doesn't "keep you safe" - it provides insight on what is
happening and lets the user choose what to do.  Good for aware
users - not so good for the clueless.


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Re: [MBZ] A souvenir?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > I have made myself a chart, drawn from half a dozen sources
> > 'cause I couldn't find one place that lists 'em all.

> Craig wrote:
> 
> How about posting a link to your chart so we may benefit from
> your work?

Sure!

I just put them on http://host-a.net/fmiser

Called "tire-valve-stem", there is a PDF that any device should be
able to open, and a .ods spreadsheet.

If any of you have more information, let me know and I'll share the
update too. *smiles*

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