Re: [MBZ] cheap 6.3 anyone?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

No. more idle curiosity than anything else.  Thanks!  :)

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You jack it up and put the "emergency blocks" that are supposed to be in
> the trunk in the suspension.  If those are absent, you make blocks out of
> 2x4 or 4x4.  No, I don't know the dimensions.
>
> I might be able to look at it for you next Sat.  Looks like it could be a
> keeper for those capable of a M100 handshake.
>
> I prefer OM603!
>
>
>
> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>> February 6, 2017 at 12:28 AM
>> How does one inflate the suspension to get it on the flatbed?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Efficiency at Idle

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

If the motor idles at 6000 rpm it must be a gas turbine or something.

On Feb 5, 2017 9:32 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Food for thought:



One reason Diesels are more efficient than gas engines is Diesels (mostly)
don't have throttles.  This is mainly a factor low speed and at idle: gas
engine waste a LOT of power idling.



Consider a 3 liter (183 CID) engine that idles at 6000 RPM.  The intake
manifold pressure would be near ambient for a Diesel but a gasoline engine
would idle at a manifold vacuum of about 20 inches (10 PSI).  So the energy
required to turn the crank one full cycle (2 revs) would be 1830 inch-lbs or
152 ft-lbs.  For 3000 full cycles per  minute (6000 RPM), this is 457500
ft-lb of work per minute or 14 HP.  So the hypothetical 3 liter gas engine
must produce 14 HP while stopped at a traffic light just to keep the engine
turning against manifold vacuum.



Scott

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Re: [MBZ] cheap 6.3 anyone?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You jack it up and put the "emergency blocks" that are supposed to be in 
the trunk in the suspension.  If those are absent, you make blocks out 
of 2x4 or 4x4.  No, I don't know the dimensions.


I might be able to look at it for you next Sat.  Looks like it could be 
a keeper for those capable of a M100 handshake.


I prefer OM603!




M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
February 6, 2017 at 12:28 AM
How does one inflate the suspension to get it on the flatbed?

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Re: [MBZ] cheap 6.3 anyone?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

How does one inflate the suspension to get it on the flatbed?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> http://pensacola.craigslist.org/bks/5964395153.html
>
> This oughta be worth a few M100 handshakes!
>
> Any youse guyz know M100 guys?
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[MBZ] cheap 6.3 anyone?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://pensacola.craigslist.org/bks/5964395153.html

This oughta be worth a few M100 handshakes!

Any youse guyz know M100 guys?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac OS

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

While M$ has provided a decent 16 bit emulator, M$ in their training 
materials, says that the 16 bit emulators should not be relied on, the 
software should be rewritten for 32 bit winders (at the time I read it) 
and fer sure for 64 bit winders.


Apfel had a good emulator, Rosetta (developed by another company) but 
they chose to drop it after 10.6.  Similarly, Apfel supported software 
written for 680xx processors for several years in 7.x and later in 
10.x.  However they did drop it because of the overhead.


There do not appear to be third party emulators.  At least my searches 
did not find one to keep Eudora going.


OTOH, the ONLY reason I needed to change OS is simply because nobody 
builds a reliable secure web browser for 10.5 or 10.6 any more, and 
websites keep demanding ewer browsers to be able to see or use their 
website.


By the way, How are the programs written in VB 5 or VB6 running with the 
latest version of M$ Office installed on winders 10?


My guess is they didn't even make the trip to Winders 2000, or even NT4.


OK Don via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 6:19 PM
Ya'll make Apple sound so friendly. I'm still running one program that I
first started using on Windows for Workgroups - back in the day. As I've
moved through every Windows OS, I've yet to run across a program that
wouldn't move with me. Just say'in . . .

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 11:07 AM
I need to do that with mine, maybe put the new version on my SSD and 
run it from there while leaving everything else on 10.6.8 on the main 
HDD.


I looked into it but got a bit confused on some of the details of how 
to use the same user profile on the new install as I have on the old 
version without wiping out what I have now.


--FT




M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
February 4, 2017 at 3:59 PM
I hadda be dragged kicking and screaming into El Crapitan. Still keep Snow
Leopard on a second internal drive to run a couple older apps that aren't
supported any more...

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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Curt Raymond 
February 4, 2017 at 9:15 AM
Sierra sucks, causing our engineers no end of trouble. They changed 
how network drives mount so our storage doesn't work. Changed 
something else so our video and audio editors don't work. These are 
big changes and we got no warning...


Apple hates it's developer community...

Cury

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Curley McLain 
February 3, 2017 at 9:34 PM
HA!!!  I FINALLY found a reason to be interested in the new mac OS 
(Sierra 10.12.2.)With the update from 10.12.1 to Sierra 10.12.2 
you get an emote icon for .




BACON!

but nothing else.  Hardly a reason to move


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[MBZ] Diesel Efficiency at Idle

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Food for thought:

 

One reason Diesels are more efficient than gas engines is Diesels (mostly)
don't have throttles.  This is mainly a factor low speed and at idle: gas
engine waste a LOT of power idling.  

 

Consider a 3 liter (183 CID) engine that idles at 6000 RPM.  The intake
manifold pressure would be near ambient for a Diesel but a gasoline engine
would idle at a manifold vacuum of about 20 inches (10 PSI).  So the energy
required to turn the crank one full cycle (2 revs) would be 1830 inch-lbs or
152 ft-lbs.  For 3000 full cycles per  minute (6000 RPM), this is 457500
ft-lb of work per minute or 14 HP.  So the hypothetical 3 liter gas engine
must produce 14 HP while stopped at a traffic light just to keep the engine
turning against manifold vacuum.  

 

Scott

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Re: [MBZ] more shop lights

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The wiring is totally screwed up, mis-/dys-functional, and likely dangerous
to boot.  Sounds like your circuits are crossed, possibly in a totally
weird manner.  Dig into that and correct it.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac OS

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 6:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Ya'll make Apple sound so friendly. I'm still running one program that I
> first started using on Windows for Workgroups - back in the day. As I've
> moved through every Windows OS, I've yet to run across a program that
> wouldn't move with me. Just say'in . . .
>

Love my Mac, can't stand Apple.

Just sayin'...

-MMM-
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[MBZ] MB ad

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Go, Benz!

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Re: [MBZ] more shop lights

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

THat is what I am thinking.  It is likely the 2 breakers are next to 
each other, so on opposing legs.






OK Don via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 8:06 PM
Exactly, and those two circuits might be on opposite legs of the 240v - -
your shop needs to be re-wired.

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Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 5:34 PM
You may recall the previous post about a couple of my 8ft t12 fixtures 
flickering and not lighting fully even with new bulbs and ballasts.  
So I went down and bought 4 new 4 bulb 8ft t8 fixtures.  I replaced 
the 2 that I was having problems with and a 3rd that had a broken 
tombstone.  2 of the fixtures light right up and put out plenty of 
light, the 3rd the original one that has the worst of the problems 
lights up 1 of the 4 bulbs, a couple others somewhat light up, and the 
4th does not seem to light up at all, all flicker badly.  What is 
strange is that all 4 will fire up bright for about half a second when 
the switch is first turned on the it goes back to not working.  What 
is also strange is there are 2 circuits and 2 sets of switch for all 
lights in the shop. Most of the lights will turn on with one switch or 
the other, but the 2 fixtures I replaced plus a 3rd t12 fixture that I 
did not mess with but works fine seem to turn on regardless of which 
switch is turned on.  The 3 will stay lit until both switches are 
turned off.  But the fixture in question that is still giving the 
problems seems to lite better with little to no flickering when one of 
the switches is turned off.  So what do you all think is going on 
here?  It is driving me nuts.  The 4th fixture I will wire in and 
install above the work bench.  I may end up adding a couple more to 
get more light on one end of the shop.



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Re: [MBZ] more shop lights

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Exactly, and those two circuits might be on opposite legs of the 240v - -
your shop needs to be re-wired.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Screwed up wiring to the 3 fixtures.  THey should be on one circuit or the
> other, never both.
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> February 5, 2017 at 5:34 PM
>>
>> You may recall the previous post about a couple of my 8ft t12 fixtures
>> flickering and not lighting fully even with new bulbs and ballasts.  So I
>> went down and bought 4 new 4 bulb 8ft t8 fixtures.  I replaced the 2 that I
>> was having problems with and a 3rd that had a broken tombstone.  2 of the
>> fixtures light right up and put out plenty of light, the 3rd the original
>> one that has the worst of the problems lights up 1 of the 4 bulbs, a couple
>> others somewhat light up, and the 4th does not seem to light up at all, all
>> flicker badly.  What is strange is that all 4 will fire up bright for about
>> half a second when the switch is first turned on the it goes back to not
>> working.  What is also strange is there are 2 circuits and 2 sets of switch
>> for all lights in the shop. Most of the lights will turn on with one switch
>> or the other, but the 2 fixtures I replaced plus a 3rd t12 fixture that I
>> did not mess with but works fine seem to turn on regardless of which switch
>> is turned on.  The 3 will stay lit until both switches are turned off.  But
>> the fixture in question that is still giving the problems seems to lite
>> better with little to no flickering when one of the switches is turned
>> off.  So what do you all think is going on here?  It is driving me nuts.
>> The 4th fixture I will wire in and install above the work bench.  I may end
>> up adding a couple more to get more light on one end of the shop.
>>
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[MBZ] A floptop for Rich

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

(just kidding)

http://batonrouge.craigslist.org/cto/5971163033.html

Maybe a $100 car.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Headlight Doors

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

As I expected.  If they were good when wheeled into a upull, they 
generally are bashed by the time the public gets to it.



clay via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 7:57 PM
The doors were not worth dealing with.

clay



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Re: [MBZ] W123 Headlight Doors

[clay via Mercedes]

The doors were not worth dealing with.

clay


> On Feb 2, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If the headlight doors are any good, I'd like them unless Dan calls dibs.  
> Dan's old ones are probably better than mine!
> 
>> clay via Mercedes 
>> February 2, 2017 at 4:44 PM
>> http://row52.com/Vehicle/Index/WDBAB23A1CB292487
>> 
>> want me to check this?
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] For you coupe-aholics

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If the trunk lid is that rusty I would hate to see the underbody

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> http://neworleans.craigslist.org/cto/5987060552.html
> 
> 280C  perfect for Andy to buzz around DC.
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[MBZ] For you coupe-aholics

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/cto/5987060552.html

280C  perfect for Andy to buzz around DC.

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Re: [MBZ] more shop lights

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Most of the original wiring is thru conduit and the separate wires. For example 
at the 1st fixture I have 1 white and 1 blue, at the other fixture I replaced 
it was 1 white and 1 purple. There are a few other fixtures that were probably 
added later as they are just wired up with romex coming out of the nearest 
junction box. The 3rd fixture I replaced was wired like this. I would guess 
something is crossed at one of the junction boxes. I'm going to have to try and 
figure that out. 

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> On Feb 5, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yes, anything is possible.  If one (or more) of those 3 lights is not fed by 
> 2 romex cables, then you will have to trace stuff to the junctions
> 
> If those 3 are together, then it should be something like this:
> 
> (POWER)=(light)==(light)==(light) where the 
> = represents white and black lines.
> 
> (POWER)is most likely a Jct box.
> 
> Normally the power from the breaker would go into a Jct box where red and 
> black wires (generally black and white with black tape on household wiring)  
> from the switch meet up with the power line and the load line.  (in this 
> case, the load is the lights)
> 
> Someplace you are getting power from two different circuits int that string 
> of lights
> 
> Best practice is to only have wires from one breaker in one box.  Often 
> however, especially in industrial wiring this is not the case.  For instance 
> 240 or 480v 3 phase (4 cables) in a box or in conduit with a 120Vac control 
> circuit.
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> 
>> February 5, 2017 at 7:22 PM
>> I guess I'm going to have to dig into it. Could something be misswired at 
>> the junction boxes in the rafters?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] more shop lights

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes, anything is possible.  If one (or more) of those 3 lights is not 
fed by 2 romex cables, then you will have to trace stuff to the junctions


If those 3 are together, then it should be something like this:

(POWER)=(light)==(light)==(light) where 
the = represents white and black lines.


(POWER)is most likely a Jct box.

Normally the power from the breaker would go into a Jct box where red 
and black wires (generally black and white with black tape on household 
wiring)  from the switch meet up with the power line and the load line.  
(in this case, the load is the lights)


Someplace you are getting power from two different circuits int that 
string of lights


Best practice is to only have wires from one breaker in one box.  Often 
however, especially in industrial wiring this is not the case.  For 
instance 240 or 480v 3 phase (4 cables) in a box or in conduit with a 
120Vac control circuit.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 



February 5, 2017 at 7:22 PM
I guess I'm going to have to dig into it. Could something be misswired 
at the junction boxes in the rafters?


Sent from my iPhone




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Re: [MBZ] more shop lights

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess I'm going to have to dig into it. Could something be misswired at the 
junction boxes in the rafters? 

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> On Feb 5, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Screwed up wiring to the 3 fixtures.  THey should be on one circuit or the 
> other, never both.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> February 5, 2017 at 5:34 PM
>> You may recall the previous post about a couple of my 8ft t12 fixtures 
>> flickering and not lighting fully even with new bulbs and ballasts.  So I 
>> went down and bought 4 new 4 bulb 8ft t8 fixtures.  I replaced the 2 that I 
>> was having problems with and a 3rd that had a broken tombstone.  2 of the 
>> fixtures light right up and put out plenty of light, the 3rd the original 
>> one that has the worst of the problems lights up 1 of the 4 bulbs, a couple 
>> others somewhat light up, and the 4th does not seem to light up at all, all 
>> flicker badly.  What is strange is that all 4 will fire up bright for about 
>> half a second when the switch is first turned on the it goes back to not 
>> working.  What is also strange is there are 2 circuits and 2 sets of switch 
>> for all lights in the shop. Most of the lights will turn on with one switch 
>> or the other, but the 2 fixtures I replaced plus a 3rd t12 fixture that I 
>> did not mess with but works fine seem to turn on regardless of which switch 
>> is turned on.  The 3 wi
 ll stay lit until both switches are turned off.  But the fixture in question 
that is still giving the problems seems to lite better with little to no 
flickering when one of the switches is turned off.  So what do you all think is 
going on here?  It is driving me nuts.  The 4th fixture I will wire in and 
install above the work bench.  I may end up adding a couple more to get more 
light on one end of the shop.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] more shop lights

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Screwed up wiring to the 3 fixtures.  THey should be on one circuit or 
the other, never both.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 5:34 PM
You may recall the previous post about a couple of my 8ft t12 fixtures 
flickering and not lighting fully even with new bulbs and ballasts.  
So I went down and bought 4 new 4 bulb 8ft t8 fixtures.  I replaced 
the 2 that I was having problems with and a 3rd that had a broken 
tombstone.  2 of the fixtures light right up and put out plenty of 
light, the 3rd the original one that has the worst of the problems 
lights up 1 of the 4 bulbs, a couple others somewhat light up, and the 
4th does not seem to light up at all, all flicker badly.  What is 
strange is that all 4 will fire up bright for about half a second when 
the switch is first turned on the it goes back to not working.  What 
is also strange is there are 2 circuits and 2 sets of switch for all 
lights in the shop. Most of the lights will turn on with one switch or 
the other, but the 2 fixtures I replaced plus a 3rd t12 fixture that I 
did not mess with but works fine seem to turn on regardless of which 
switch is turned on.  The 3 will stay lit until both switches are 
turned off.  But the fixture in question that is still giving the 
problems seems to lite better with little to no flickering when one of 
the switches is turned off.  So what do you all think is going on 
here?  It is driving me nuts.  The 4th fixture I will wire in and 
install above the work bench.  I may end up adding a couple more to 
get more light on one end of the shop.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac OS

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes,  I did nearly the same!

I bought a new HD, put the old HD in an enclosure.
Boot from the external USB (original drive) to be sure all is well.

  Install el crap  on the new HD
  Migrate.

  6 mo later, bought a OWC SSD and carrier.
  Removed the dead superdrive
  Installed ssd and the carrier
  Copied everything from the "New" hd to the SSD
  CHanged startup drive  to the SSD
Zoom!

Need to find a way to mirror the SSD to the HD.  (Haven't tried)

"New" Core I7  for a total of : ~ $450 spread over almost a year.
Dead computer:  Free
Repaired MB (Logic board in apfelspeak)  $200
HD and enclosure:  ~ $100
SSD  $125
USB "dvdRW" $20

Sure beats spending $2700 I cant afford for a new one~

M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 5:29 PM
What I did on my Mini was to clean install El Crapitan on the new internal
drive, then just did a migrate. So, there are redundant files on both
drives, but what the hell, storage is cheap these days... ;-)

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 11:07 AM
I need to do that with mine, maybe put the new version on my SSD and 
run it from there while leaving everything else on 10.6.8 on the main 
HDD.


I looked into it but got a bit confused on some of the details of how 
to use the same user profile on the new install as I have on the old 
version without wiping out what I have now.


--FT




M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
February 4, 2017 at 3:59 PM
I hadda be dragged kicking and screaming into El Crapitan. Still keep Snow
Leopard on a second internal drive to run a couple older apps that aren't
supported any more...

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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Curt Raymond 
February 4, 2017 at 9:15 AM
Sierra sucks, causing our engineers no end of trouble. They changed 
how network drives mount so our storage doesn't work. Changed 
something else so our video and audio editors don't work. These are 
big changes and we got no warning...


Apple hates it's developer community...

Cury

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Curley McLain 
February 3, 2017 at 9:34 PM
HA!!!  I FINALLY found a reason to be interested in the new mac OS 
(Sierra 10.12.2.)With the update from 10.12.1 to Sierra 10.12.2 
you get an emote icon for .




BACON!

but nothing else.  Hardly a reason to move


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac OS

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ya'll make Apple sound so friendly. I'm still running one program that I
first started using on Windows for Workgroups - back in the day. As I've
moved through every Windows OS, I've yet to run across a program that
wouldn't move with me. Just say'in . . .

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I need to do that with mine, maybe put the new version on my SSD and run
> it from there while leaving everything else on 10.6.8 on the main HDD.
>
> I looked into it but got a bit confused on some of the details of how to
> use the same user profile on the new install as I have on the old version
> without wiping out what I have now.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 2/4/17 4:59 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I hadda be dragged kicking and screaming into El Crapitan.  Still keep
>> Snow
>> Leopard on a second internal drive to run a couple older apps that aren't
>> supported any more...
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sierra sucks, causing our engineers no end of trouble. They changed how
>>> network drives mount so our storage doesn't work. Changed something else
>>> so
>>> our video and audio editors don't work. These are big changes and we got
>>> no
>>> warning...
>>> Apple hates it's developer community...
>>> Cury
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
>>>On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   HA!!!  I FINALLY found a reason to be
>>> interested in the new mac OS
>>> (Sierra 10.12.2.)With the update from 10.12.1 to Sierra 10.12.2 you
>>> get an emote icon for .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BACON!
>>>
>>> but nothing else.  Hardly a reason to move
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] more shop lights

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Here is a photo



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You may recall the previous post about a couple of my 8ft t12 fixtures 
> flickering and not lighting fully even with new bulbs and ballasts.  So I 
> went down and bought 4 new 4 bulb 8ft t8 fixtures.  I replaced the 2 that I 
> was having problems with and a 3rd that had a broken tombstone.  2 of the 
> fixtures light right up and put out plenty of light, the 3rd the original one 
> that has the worst of the problems lights up 1 of the 4 bulbs, a couple 
> others somewhat light up, and the 4th does not seem to light up at all, all 
> flicker badly.  What is strange is that all 4 will fire up bright for about 
> half a second when the switch is first turned on the it goes back to not 
> working.  What is also strange is there are 2 circuits and 2 sets of switch 
> for all lights in the shop. Most of the lights will turn on with one switch 
> or the other, but the 2 fixtures I replaced plus a 3rd t12 fixture that I did 
> not mess with but works fine seem to turn on regardless of which switch is 
> turned on.  The 3 will stay lit until both switches are turned off.  But the 
> fixture in question that is still giving the problems seems to lite better 
> with little to no flickering when one of the switches is turned off.  So what 
> do you all think is going on here?  It is driving me nuts.  The 4th fixture I 
> will wire in and install above the work bench.  I may end up adding a couple 
> more to get more light on one end of the shop.
> 
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[MBZ] more shop lights

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You may recall the previous post about a couple of my 8ft t12 fixtures 
flickering and not lighting fully even with new bulbs and ballasts.  So 
I went down and bought 4 new 4 bulb 8ft t8 fixtures.  I replaced the 2 
that I was having problems with and a 3rd that had a broken tombstone.  
2 of the fixtures light right up and put out plenty of light, the 3rd 
the original one that has the worst of the problems lights up 1 of the 4 
bulbs, a couple others somewhat light up, and the 4th does not seem to 
light up at all, all flicker badly.  What is strange is that all 4 will 
fire up bright for about half a second when the switch is first turned 
on the it goes back to not working.  What is also strange is there are 2 
circuits and 2 sets of switch for all lights in the shop. Most of the 
lights will turn on with one switch or the other, but the 2 fixtures I 
replaced plus a 3rd t12 fixture that I did not mess with but works fine 
seem to turn on regardless of which switch is turned on.  The 3 will 
stay lit until both switches are turned off.  But the fixture in 
question that is still giving the problems seems to lite better with 
little to no flickering when one of the switches is turned off.  So what 
do you all think is going on here?  It is driving me nuts.  The 4th 
fixture I will wire in and install above the work bench.  I may end up 
adding a couple more to get more light on one end of the shop.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac OS

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

What I did on my Mini was to clean install El Crapitan on the new internal
drive, then just did a migrate.  So, there are redundant files on both
drives, but what the hell, storage is cheap these days...  ;-)

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I need to do that with mine, maybe put the new version on my SSD and run
> it from there while leaving everything else on 10.6.8 on the main HDD.
>
> I looked into it but got a bit confused on some of the details of how to
> use the same user profile on the new install as I have on the old version
> without wiping out what I have now.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Next Plane

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The engine I flew behind was an air cooled horizontally opposed Lycoming -
no radiator. However, those with water cooled engines have to look out both
sides - they can't see directly ahead. Is that safe? If you do enough
zig-zagging. Remember, Lindberg did not have a forward windshield in the
Spirit of St. Louis - there was a large fuel tank there. He only had side
windows to look out of.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How do you see around the radiator?
>
> -D
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] works manual pdf

[fmiser via Mercedes]

MG wrote:



Thanks for those. I took a look at the writeup on your how to do
it and missed one thing somewhere. Where in your calculations
did you take into account the 42mm, 21mm per side, of difference
between the front and rear track?


Hmm.

Entirely not accounted for, as I had not encountered that
information...  Easy enough to add (or subtract?) 21 mm from the
target position.

Where did you get this data?  I'm curious.

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Re: [MBZ] needs some mechanical work and some crack to be smoked

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You tipped them off.  Now the price has gone up.

-D

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5989767745.html
> 
> I wonder if this is the abandoned car I was going to fetch from the trailer 
> park.  It disappeared.
> 
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'm guessing as soon as there are 2 or 3 competitors, the price will 
drop to $1500.


Even at $4500, a guy might be able to get it to pay off if you find 
enough business, and if it is study enough for long term use.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 11:05 AM
That is quite intriguing.  Wonder how much they will sell for.

I'm still thinking about a laser cutter though...

--FT




Curley McLain 
February 5, 2017 at 8:50 AM
https://www.wazer.com

Desktop water jet

Moving from mass production to mass customization.


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Re: [MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

website sez $4500


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 11:05 AM
That is quite intriguing.  Wonder how much they will sell for.

I'm still thinking about a laser cutter though...

--FT




Curley McLain 
February 5, 2017 at 8:50 AM
https://www.wazer.com

Desktop water jet

Moving from mass production to mass customization.


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[MBZ] needs some mechanical work and some crack to be smoked

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5989767745.html

I wonder if this is the abandoned car I was going to fetch from the 
trailer park.  It disappeared.



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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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[MBZ] There are plenty of cars for sell on Craigslist, but none like this.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5990368725.html

most importantly a wise investment!

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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac OS

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I need to do that with mine, maybe put the new version on my SSD and run 
it from there while leaving everything else on 10.6.8 on the main HDD.


I looked into it but got a bit confused on some of the details of how to 
use the same user profile on the new install as I have on the old 
version without wiping out what I have now.


--FT


On 2/4/17 4:59 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

I hadda be dragged kicking and screaming into El Crapitan.  Still keep Snow
Leopard on a second internal drive to run a couple older apps that aren't
supported any more...

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Sierra sucks, causing our engineers no end of trouble. They changed how
network drives mount so our storage doesn't work. Changed something else so
our video and audio editors don't work. These are big changes and we got no
warning...
Apple hates it's developer community...
Cury

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

   On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   HA!!!  I FINALLY found a reason to be
interested in the new mac OS
(Sierra 10.12.2.)With the update from 10.12.1 to Sierra 10.12.2 you
get an emote icon for .



BACON!

but nothing else.  Hardly a reason to move
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That is quite intriguing.  Wonder how much they will sell for.

I'm still thinking about a laser cutter though...

--FT


On 2/5/17 9:50 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.wazer.com

Desktop water jet

Moving from mass production to mass customization.

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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The star ones suck, thats whats wrong with them. IIRC there was something about 
the star that obscured your ability to reef down on the mounting bolt. Maybe it 
was the York AC compressor, I don't remember now.
On the '83 the "wrong" thing was me not realizing you had to loosen the 
mounting bolt before tensioning so I bent the tensioner, it never worked as 
well after that...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 9:46 AM
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S0mething was wrong.  I don't think I have touched the alternator or 
belt on the 240D since I put a new alt on, maybe 15 years ago.  I 
suppose it may be time for a new belt, just "becuz"



> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> February 5, 2017 at 8:27 AM
> MB's alternator tensioner systems both left much to be desired. The 
> through bolt kind is better than the star adjuster kind.
> I found on my 240Ds that I pretty much ought to tension the alternator 
> belt every time I had the hood open...
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ooooh, I forgot about the star adjuster ones.  Those were the worst. Ugh.

I’m going to drive it a little bit more and then check the tension again.  I 
just love using my Kriket tool.  Simple thing that’s super cool.

Anyone happen to have the specs for the belt tensions?

-D

 
> On Feb 5, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> MB's alternator tensioner systems both left much to be desired. The through 
> bolt kind is better than the star adjuster kind.
> 
> I found on my 240Ds that I pretty much ought to tension the alternator belt 
> every time I had the hood open...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes List  
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun
> 
> Actually, the AC compressor wasn’t bad at all.  The worst was the alternator. 
>  I went slow and applied some Kroil to the adjusting nut so it wouldn’t break.
> 
> Found out that the “chirping” I was hearing when I was taking off from a stop 
> was the belts slipping.  Did my Sunday morning grocery run at 5:30 like 
> always, and never heard a peep out of the engine.  Nice.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Feb 4, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 18:33:10 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> > > wrote:
> > 
> >> So off I went to loosen all the belts and replace them. Arrgh.  All I
> >> can say is if there was a conversion kit to change an OM617 from
> >> fractional horsepower belts to a serpentine belt, I would be all over
> >> it.
> > 
> > They are a lot of fun, aren't they? Particularly the A/C compressor!
> > 
> > 
> > Craig
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[MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

https://www.wazer.com

Desktop water jet

Moving from mass production to mass customization.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

S0mething was wrong.  I don't think I have touched the alternator or 
belt on the 240D since I put a new alt on, maybe 15 years ago.  I 
suppose it may be time for a new belt, just "becuz"





Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 8:27 AM
MB's alternator tensioner systems both left much to be desired. The 
through bolt kind is better than the star adjuster kind.
I found on my 240Ds that I pretty much ought to tension the alternator 
belt every time I had the hood open...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I once changed all 5 belts on #1 daughter's SL in a hayfield "parking 
lot"  She managed to limp into the event.  I got new belts and changed 
em all.  Of course, it was the back ones that broke...



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 7:45 AM
Actually, the AC compressor wasn’t bad at all. The worst was the 
alternator. I went slow and applied some Kroil to the adjusting nut so 
it wouldn’t break.


Found out that the “chirping” I was hearing when I was taking off from 
a stop was the belts slipping. Did my Sunday morning grocery run at 
5:30 like always, and never heard a peep out of the engine. Nice.


-D




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Craig via Mercedes 
February 4, 2017 at 7:21 PM
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 18:33:10 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes

They are a lot of fun, aren't they? Particularly the A/C compressor!


Craig

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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
February 4, 2017 at 5:33 PM
Winter has finally arrived in Florida - it was a balmy 78F with no 
humidity as it’s been all week. Wonderful weather to work on the car…


Some background:

PO replaced the master cylinder or booster during his ownership, and 
while doing so slathered brake fluid down the firewall and under the 
car as it dripped. This stripped pretty much all of the paint and 
undercoating on the frame rail and area around the trailing rod joint. 
This was making me nuts since it’s the only place the car has any 
visible rust, even if it’s only surface rust and you would have to get 
on your hands and knees to see it - but I knew it was there….


So I scraped all the loose undercoating off to where it was firmly 
bonded to the frame and cleaned all around the suspension rod joint 
mounting. I got one of the “kits” that the POR-15 folks sell for 
$19.00 on the Amazon and used all the chemicals to properly prep and 
paint the surface. After it got tacky I sealed it all up with some 3M 
Professional Grade Rubberized Undercoating. Nice.


While I was under the car and poking around I noticed the belts on the 
alternator were really loose. Hmm. Power steering belt wasn’t bad, but 
AC compressor belt was loose, too. Fortunately, this was a job I had 
anticipated since so much of the rubber and soft parts on this car are 
tired due to age and lack of use.


So off I went to loosen all the belts and replace them. Arrgh. All I 
can say is if there was a conversion kit to change an OM617 from 
fractional horsepower belts to a serpentine belt, I would be all over 
it. Luckily I didn’t encounter any issues with the funky alternator 
adjusting bolt. I got to dig out my Krikit belt tension gauge and put 
it to work - probably the first time in 15 years I’ve used it. What a 
great tool.


Lastly, in the middle of the POR-15 stuff since I had to rinse, dry, 
etc., etc., I prepped and painted my wiper arms as they were pitted 
and had a little rust and after all was done I installed them with new 
Bosch wiper blades to replace the (gasp!) Rain-X wiper blades.


Needless to say I took a pre-emptive dose of my 800mg time release 
ibuprofen. I’m thinking I’ll be paying for this in the morning. Low 
impact tomorrow, just car washing.


-D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Waytago!  (for yesterday's 123 fun!)


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 7:45 AM
Actually, the AC compressor wasn’t bad at all. The worst was the 
alternator. I went slow and applied some Kroil to the adjusting nut so 
it wouldn’t break.


Found out that the “chirping” I was hearing when I was taking off from 
a stop was the belts slipping. Did my Sunday morning grocery run at 
5:30 like always, and never heard a peep out of the engine. Nice.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

MB's alternator tensioner systems both left much to be desired. The through 
bolt kind is better than the star adjuster kind.
I found on my 240Ds that I pretty much ought to tension the alternator belt 
every time I had the hood open...
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dan Penoff 
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun
   
Actually, the AC compressor wasn’t bad at all.  The worst was the alternator.  
I went slow and applied some Kroil to the adjusting nut so it wouldn’t break.

Found out that the “chirping” I was hearing when I was taking off from a stop 
was the belts slipping.  Did my Sunday morning grocery run at 5:30 like always, 
and never heard a peep out of the engine.  Nice.

-D


> On Feb 4, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 18:33:10 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> So off I went to loosen all the belts and replace them. Arrgh.  All I
>> can say is if there was a conversion kit to change an OM617 from
>> fractional horsepower belts to a serpentine belt, I would be all over
>> it.
> 
> They are a lot of fun, aren't they? Particularly the A/C compressor!
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Actually, the AC compressor wasn’t bad at all.  The worst was the alternator.  
I went slow and applied some Kroil to the adjusting nut so it wouldn’t break.

Found out that the “chirping” I was hearing when I was taking off from a stop 
was the belts slipping.  Did my Sunday morning grocery run at 5:30 like always, 
and never heard a peep out of the engine.  Nice.

-D


> On Feb 4, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 18:33:10 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> So off I went to loosen all the belts and replace them. Arrgh.  All I
>> can say is if there was a conversion kit to change an OM617 from
>> fractional horsepower belts to a serpentine belt, I would be all over
>> it.
> 
> They are a lot of fun, aren't they? Particularly the A/C compressor!
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

My '95 sedan needed a new timing gear, the face was chewed up by a failed
vacuum pump.

On Feb 4, 2017 7:00 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

SORRY  No, I thought I remembered you had to replace the timing advance
when you got the whale.  Maybe you just threatened to replace it?
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