Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[clay via Mercedes]

The vagaries of female logic defy me.  Add mom logic to that and I am just not 
from the same solar system.

I am of the opinion that some deep SOL situations might assist my progeny to 
have a firmer grasp on reality.  Then again, I am sure my own sperm donor felt 
the same way about me.  And his about him.

I am just waiting for the SWMBA mobile to have major issues so that she will 
see that crazy expensive repair is not the sole domain of german cars.  She 
remembers how well the cars we owned as newly wed fools were simple and 
inexpensive to care for.  Not so now.  Even my BiL who makes a living keeping 
emergency vehicles road worthy is of the opinion that he would rather toss a 
newer vehicle aside and get fresh than waste his cash on repairing, because 
there is no way he can make a repair his own self with all the real tools he 
has on hand.  Parts are just too expensive and there is not enough wrenching to 
be done

clay


> On Mar 11, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> SWMBO can "save" even more money by tossing $40k at a stealer to buy him a 
> new whatever.
> 
>> clay via Mercedes 
>> March 10, 2017 at 9:27 PM
>> I have wonderings about oldest boys. Dads know how to make car things 
>> better, but end up not getting ear time. #1 boy put his w140 out of 
>> commission, so SWMBA decided his car was evil and he needed a “better” car. 
>> Benz is bad. The solution is to purchase a “benz” built Jeep for mucho 
>> dollars.
>> 
>> Now #1 boy does no inspections or updates on his “new” car, just drives it, 
>> as if it is blessed and perfect because SWMBA had her way. Instead, the jeep 
>> was not taken car of by PO, and it dies after driving from ND to SEA. I haul 
>> his butt to ND in a 30 year old Benz. Then I drive his 10 year old benz 
>> built Jeep to ND, and my 30 year old Evil car back another 1252 miles. SWMBA 
>> foots the repair bill for the jeep.
>> 
>> Flash to two days ago. Oldest boy calls to find out if he can make a fix 
>> because he was not holding the door in 50 MPH gales and the driver door went 
>> sproing! as it tried to become a wing instead of a door. Now it does not 
>> align properly and all is sad. I told him to get an estimate from a body 
>> shop. Which was really expensive, so he should just use BFH to smack the 
>> metal back to a manner that will allow the door to fit right once again. A 
>> bit of a hillbilly fix, but cheaper than asking SWMBA for more cash.
>> 
>> Had the boy just spent a few grand to make the w140 roll again, it would 
>> have been so much more economical. All it needs to run properly is a fresh 
>> wire harness instead of the biodegradable original and toss in the dang head 
>> gasket, which would deal with leakage. And, have a shop build him a 
>> replacement radiator for the one -40 made bad.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo tune up

[clay via Mercedes]

The turbo at issue is for a 603.  I have a pair of turbo as spares for the 617. 
 Those probably want a rebuild, but I am going to take one apart to better 
understand the thing.  I suppose either flavor of turbo is a $300 fix

clay


> On Mar 11, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the 617 you are better off removing the manifold and turbo en bloc than
> trying to get the turbo off the manifold in situ.
> 
> Getting it rebuilt is about $300. Make sure they rebalance it.
> 
> On Mar 11, 2017 12:22 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:
> 
>> I have yet to dig in, since Polei is the best running car in the stable at
>> the moment.
>> 
>> Before the drive out east, the turbo on the 603 was pretty much not making
>> goodness.  On the return trip it started to leak oil.  The thing spins up,
>> and I am thinking maybe the drains are coked up.
>> 
>> How big of a job will it be to remove the system and get it all cleaned
>> up?  I am not feeling exceptionally brave at the moment.  Too many cars
>> being less than spectacular, and I really want at least one  I can depend
>> upon.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo tune up

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OM603 turbo removal is a pain.  The intake side is a Chinese puzzle, with three 
hidden hex-key sockets that hold a piece to the side of the head.  Once you get 
past those, next up is the oil feed line, another bear to figure out.

I would not advise removal unless absolutely necessary.
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

SWMBO can "save" even more money by tossing $40k at a stealer to buy him 
a new whatever.



clay via Mercedes 
March 10, 2017 at 9:27 PM
I have wonderings about oldest boys. Dads know how to make car things 
better, but end up not getting ear time. #1 boy put his w140 out of 
commission, so SWMBA decided his car was evil and he needed a “better” 
car. Benz is bad. The solution is to purchase a “benz” built Jeep for 
mucho dollars.


Now #1 boy does no inspections or updates on his “new” car, just 
drives it, as if it is blessed and perfect because SWMBA had her way. 
Instead, the jeep was not taken car of by PO, and it dies after 
driving from ND to SEA. I haul his butt to ND in a 30 year old Benz. 
Then I drive his 10 year old benz built Jeep to ND, and my 30 year old 
Evil car back another 1252 miles. SWMBA foots the repair bill for the 
jeep.


Flash to two days ago. Oldest boy calls to find out if he can make a 
fix because he was not holding the door in 50 MPH gales and the driver 
door went sproing! as it tried to become a wing instead of a door. Now 
it does not align properly and all is sad. I told him to get an 
estimate from a body shop. Which was really expensive, so he should 
just use BFH to smack the metal back to a manner that will allow the 
door to fit right once again. A bit of a hillbilly fix, but cheaper 
than asking SWMBA for more cash.


Had the boy just spent a few grand to make the w140 roll again, it 
would have been so much more economical. All it needs to run properly 
is a fresh wire harness instead of the biodegradable original and toss 
in the dang head gasket, which would deal with leakage. And, have a 
shop build him a replacement radiator for the one -40 made bad.






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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Thanks.  I figured it was something like that.  I did something similar on
other cars but had to use a set of cheapie spring compressors (the kind with
all-thread  with hooks) to compress the spring enough to reassemble.
Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:37 PM
>
> Put the car on 6 ton jackstands, or light (3 ton) ones with blocking
> that can't tip, as a safety.   I used to have 12 x12 blocks a couple
> feet long.  Another alternative is to weld the light ones to a 12 x 12
plate so
> they can't tip.
> 
> Put the floor jack under the end of the LCA you want to take off Jack it
up
> (slow careful) to relieve pressure on the bolt you are going to remove.
> Remove bolt
> Lower floor jack
> 
> Sometimes on reassembly it is difficult to get things aligned to go back
together
> and hold it there until you can get a bolt in.  This is worst on the 124
(of 123,
> 124 and 126)
> 
> > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  March 11,
> > 2017 at 7:07 PM Curley, How do you this? Specifically, how do you
> > expand the last bit of spring and then how to you compress the lose
> > spring enough to get the shock back on?
> > I've lowered the LCA to the extent of the shock when I replaced lower
> > ball joints but never completely removed the LCA or replaced the
bushing.
> > Second question: How can you tell the LCA bushings need to be replaced?
> > I'm sure mine need to be changed (1982 OE) but how do you check/test
> > that bushing?
> > Scott
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Re: [MBZ] Grandpa was Pablo Escobar

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Are the snow tires included?  :D

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[MBZ] Grandpa was Pablo Escobar

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1983 mercedes 300sd turbo diesel
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo tune up

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

On the 617 you are better off removing the manifold and turbo en bloc than
trying to get the turbo off the manifold in situ.

Getting it rebuilt is about $300. Make sure they rebalance it.

On Mar 11, 2017 12:22 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:

> I have yet to dig in, since Polei is the best running car in the stable at
> the moment.
>
> Before the drive out east, the turbo on the 603 was pretty much not making
> goodness.  On the return trip it started to leak oil.  The thing spins up,
> and I am thinking maybe the drains are coked up.
>
> How big of a job will it be to remove the system and get it all cleaned
> up?  I am not feeling exceptionally brave at the moment.  Too many cars
> being less than spectacular, and I really want at least one  I can depend
> upon.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Put the car on 6 ton jackstands, or light (3 ton) ones with blocking 
that can't tip, as a safety.   I used to have 12 x12 blocks a couple 
feet long.  Another alternative is to weld the light ones to a 12 x 12 
plate so they can't tip.


Put the floor jack under the end of the LCA you want to take off
Jack it up (slow careful) to relieve pressure on the bolt you are going 
to remove.

Remove bolt
Lower floor jack

Sometimes on reassembly it is difficult to get things aligned to go back 
together and hold it there until you can get a bolt in.  This is worst 
on the 124 (of 123, 124 and 126)



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
March 11, 2017 at 7:07 PM
Curley,
How do you this? Specifically, how do you expand the last bit of 
spring and

then how to you compress the lose spring enough to get the shock back on?
I've lowered the LCA to the extent of the shock when I replaced lower ball
joints but never completely removed the LCA or replaced the bushing.
Second question: How can you tell the LCA bushings need to be replaced?
I'm sure mine need to be changed (1982 OE) but how do you check/test that
bushing?
Scott


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Re: [MBZ] Saturday's 300SEL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Finished up the afternoon and early evening with:

Replaced power steering cooler flex lines that were leaking like a sieve
Replaced PS filter
Replaced spongy upper radiator hose
Replaced thermostat
Drained the evil green crap out of the cooling system and replaced with water

I now know why the PS steering hoses were leaking - they were domestic size 
heater hose.  Fortunately I keep a meter of low pressure PS return 
line on the shelf, so it was a fairly simple matter of loosening the clamps, 
pulling off the wrong stuff, then cutting new correct ID pieces and replacing 
them.  Nice and dry, no more leaking PS fluid.  Topped off the system with some 
Mobil1 ATF and dropped a new filter in the reservoir.  Old filter looked like 
an original. Nasty.

Drained cooling system of the evil green stuff that was in it and removed top 
radiator hose that was spongy and removed the thermostat cover.  Old thermostat 
looked good, but I replaced it any way.  Cleaned up the cover bolts, as they 
were corroded, no thanks to the evil green stuff.  Gave them a coat of 
antiseize and put everything back together.  Filled the system with straight 
water to flush it out.  I’ll drive the car a day or two before draining and 
flushing again.

Took the car for an 8-10 mile jaunt around the area and it performed well.  Got 
the AC making ice cubes, too.  Felt bad because there was so much oak pollen on 
the car from sitting outside for the last couple of weeks the hood looked like 
it was flocked, so when I got home I gave it a wash.  Made me remember how nice 
the finish is on this car.

Put the SL back in the garage and called it a night.

-D


> On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Got the engine mounts done fairly easy.  The driver’s side outer bolt wasn’t 
> happy abut starting, and it appeared that it might have previously been cross 
> threaded, as the threads were a little dull.  It probably took me 30 minuted 
> to get it started and be satisfied that it wasn’t cross threaded. 
> Fortunately, the last person who was in there greased all of the bolts and 
> they came out quite easily.  No problem with lining up the main bolt from 
> underneath, either.
> 
> Next was the transmission mount.  That was pretty much a 20 minute job.  I 
> gave some thought to doing the front flex disc, but I’ll save that for 
> another day.
> 
> Now back to the fuel filter.  Ugh.  Since I had Kroiled everything in 
> advance, fasteners came off pretty easy.  Got the token douche with gasoline 
> (makes me appreciate diesels all the more) and got the new filter installed.  
> Fired everything up and it leaks. Dang.  Even though I hadn’t touched it, the 
> banjo fitting at the outlet of the pump was dripping. Bled off the pressure 
> (another shower, of course) and went at the fittings with a vengeance.  Fired 
> it back up and no more drips.
> 
> Taking a break right now and then planning on draining and refilling the 
> cooling system and replacing the thermostat.  Now that I can get to the power 
> steering lines I may attack that as well.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Curley, 
How do you this?  Specifically, how do you expand the last bit of spring and
then how to you compress the lose spring enough to get the shock back on?  
I've lowered the LCA to the extent of the shock when I replaced lower ball
joints but never completely removed the LCA or replaced the bushing.
Second question:  How can you tell the LCA bushings need to be replaced?
I'm sure mine need to be changed (1982 OE) but how do you check/test that
bushing?
Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 3:07 PM
> 
> The Klann probably would make the job easier, but I've done everything
> except 111 without a compressor.
> 
> ...



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Re: [MBZ] Who can pass up a $200 car?

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Bird nests, no additional charge.

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 12:36 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

> I can - - -
>
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Re: [MBZ] I want

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1  especially the upper oneflip him over and in circles.


fmiser via Mercedes 
March 10, 2017 at 5:02 PM

G wrote:



​This track configuration, with drive motors mounted high,
should give true "4x4" for your camera, wifi reporting, guard
machine. And your vast estate will be covered... and you'll have
fun building more than one.. ;))


Hmm.  That's a lot of firepower.

Does he ever actually fire those guns?  I think the recoil would
throw him and the "chair" on it's back.

Cool picture, thought. :)



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Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D Mercedes 4dr Diesel $650

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HAS TITLE, at least. ;-)

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> It does have some value at around $140 a ton right now.
>
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> > Overpriced at $0.00
> >
> > Cury
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yes, what Peter said.  I put the steering knuckle in a vise and it was 
slick to put  in the BJs with the official tool.  The old BJs came out 
pretty easy on the car with LFH.  (2 lb)


124s were a lot tougher to get old BJ out.  If you have the BJ exposed 
to put on a boot, you may as well change the BJ.



Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
March 11, 2017 at 3:03 PM
Yes, upper can be done in car, lower requires steering knuckle removal.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Crockauto had one side upper for something like $15 or 20 a couple 
months ago.  I got a spare for that cheap.  It was  a good brand.  I 
forget which but I am thinking moog.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 11, 2017 at 10:27 AM
That would be great. Anything you can pass along would be appreciated.

I have a plate type spring compressor I got for the W140s, so I’m good 
there. I don’t have a local machine shop identified, so I need to do 
that as I’ve never had to farm anything out around here. My tire guys 
do front end work, so I’m pretty sure I can get them to press the ball 
joints and all that since I have a good relationship with them.


Both upper and lower ball joint boots are shot, so I’m assuming the 
joints are on their way out as well. LCA bushings actually look pretty 
good from what I can see, but if I have to go that deep into the front 
end it seems silly to skip replacing them.


I have a big compressor, a big rattle gun and pickle forks (but not 
for the gun - I can get some of those at HF, I’m guessing.) I also 
have all the W126 manual operations for the work. I would probably 
replace the front brake discs while I’m there as they aren’t far away 
from hitting the wear limits, and the pads are more than half gone, 
too. I’m assuming I would need a ball joint separator - has anyone 
determined if the HF one works?


Someone replaced the tie rods in the recent past, as they’re all good 
and the center even still has the Mercedes parts sticker hanging from 
it. Idler arm bushing can probably be done as well. It’s not sloppy, 
but there’s a boatload of grease around the ends which makes me 
suspect its integrity.


Not sure I want to go MB on this, as the upper control arms are stupid 
expensive as are the lowers. I’m having a tough time finding 
everything in Lemforder, too. I see Meyle and Febi, with Febi being 
the cheapest (money would not be a major concern if I was doing this 
for a handoff to the oldest boy, but I’m not paying $300 to MB for a 
part I can get for under $100 elsewhere, either.) Anything I would buy 
aftermarket I would go to FCP Euro since they have lifetime 
replacement. That way if it wears out in a couple of years I can get a 
new one from them gratis.


-D




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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
March 11, 2017 at 8:54 AM
I've done the 123 and 126, easy enough to do, the manuals give all the 
details, just go through methodically and do it.  Parts for the 126 
maybe 3-4 years ago were about $900 for everything (and I probably 
replaced more than was needed but it was ALL renewed).  I got all the 
stuff from Jabba so can dig out the order list of all the parts.  I 
figured as long as I was doing the job the marginal cost of parts was 
minimal.  I think I did new break rotors and pats at the time too just 
because it was all apart, and you will want to clean and grease the 
bearings.


A BFH and air hammer (with pickle forks and chisels) are your friends 
for BJs and steering bits.  I have the spring compressor if you need 
to borrow it (and I think you do need it, it is still under 
compression with the LCA lowered).  I took new BJs to a shop to have 
them use the tool to press in, cost maybe $30 and took about 15min.  
Bushings (subframe mounts too) are easy enough with a biggish vise.  A 
rattle wrench is your friend too just to make easy work of losening 
everything.


I have some pics I took of some of the process, I can send them along 
if I can dig them out.


Then you'll need to take it to a good shop for an alignment.

The only thing I should have done was to try to adjust the steering 
box, it is still a bit lose.


--FT




Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM
SWMBO is of the opinion I need to make the 300SEL fit for handing over 
to the oldest boy. While I’m far from keen about this, as we all know 
a wise man picks his battles carefully.


Anyway, my feeling is that if this is to be, the front end needs to be 
rebuilt before handing it over. This serves two purposes:


1.) To make the car pretty much 100% as far as front suspension, as 
the boots on all the joints are gone and it’s a little noisy at times.


2.) I have never rebuilt the front suspension on ANY Mercedes, so this 
would be a good opportunity to do so with the blessings of the spouse.


I’ll be researching this on the Interwebs, but of course any 
observations, suggestions or experience that people might want to 
share would be most welcome. I am assuming I need to replace:


Upper control arms
Lower ball joints
Lower control arm bushings

The guide rods have been changed and look good and are tight, so those 
should be OK. Do I need to worry about the guide rod 

Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Yes, upper can be done in car, lower requires steering knuckle removal.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Turbo tune up

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Oil leaks usually mean shot turbo, although it's possible for the return line 
o-ring to go bad and dribble oil at the insertion point on the oil pan or 
block, don't remember how it goes in.  Ditto for the oil feed tube on top, but 
a sudden leak is unlikely there.

Oil leaks anywhere else indicate dead turbo, especially if it was not spinning 
up properly before.

Test by removing the intake hose, engine OFF, and manually spinning the 
impeller.  ANY roughness, tight spots in rotation, or vibration mean dead 
turbo, as does any perceptible fore and aft movement, some axial play, just 
barely detectable, is OK.  Basically if it does not spin very easy without any 
indication of lack of smoothness and you can shake the shaft in any direction, 
it's done and you need a replacement.  

Last one we did had to be actually rebuilt, there is no longer a cartridge 
(impeller, turbine, and bearing assembly) available.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Looks like the upper can be done on the car YES

the steering knuckle has to come off for the lower? YES


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 10, 2017 at 7:56 PM
I might be able to get away with just doing the upper control arms and 
ball joints. The LCA bushings aren’t that bad.


Looks like the upper can be done on the car, but the steering knuckle 
has to come off for the lower?


-D



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Re: [MBZ] Michelins at Costco

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

by what measure?


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
March 11, 2017 at 10:51 AM
Costco is better than Sam's.


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Re: [MBZ] Michelins at Costco

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1   When I was putting on 50K miles/year on one car (SDL) I was in dead 
sams klup 2-3 times a year for replacing the crappy tars under 
warranty.  I will never buy another tar at wallyland, dead sam's klup or 
a costco.


If you want to put them on a car you are selling for "wow" factor, then 
by all means buy em at deadsams or costco.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 11, 2017 at 10:29 AM
Be careful and ask if they are “real” Michelins. I’ve spoken about 
this here in the past - the Michelins sold at Sam’s aren’t covered by 
“regular” Michelin dealers as they’re built to spec for Sam’s and have 
no existence in the “real” Michelin retail pipeline.


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[MBZ] Turbo tune up

[clay via Mercedes]

I have yet to dig in, since Polei is the best running car in the stable at the 
moment.  

Before the drive out east, the turbo on the 603 was pretty much not making 
goodness.  On the return trip it started to leak oil.  The thing spins up, and 
I am thinking maybe the drains are coked up.  

How big of a job will it be to remove the system and get it all cleaned up?  I 
am not feeling exceptionally brave at the moment.  Too many cars being less 
than spectacular, and I really want at least one  I can depend upon.

clay
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Re: [MBZ] Seems to be a US car with rare velour interior, green on green

[clay via Mercedes]

I have mixed feelings toward fabric seats.  Kids will do that to you.  These 
critters tend to ooze all manner of nasty and it ends up embedded in the seats. 
 After so many years of leather and MBtex,  I was pretty grossed out by the 
seats in #1 boy’s jeep.  Looked like passengers were not really potty trained 
or depends failed.

clay


> On Mar 11, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Strangely compelling, though I do not normally like velour.
> 
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Easy enough for a good upholstery shop to reproduce, I bet the original
>> material is available.
>> 
>> I went to a shop in Houston to see about getting new covers for the 76
>> Eldo.  Old guy thinks a minute and says "follow me."  We go to the back of
>> his shop, stuff piled everywhere, he opens a cabinet and pulls out 2 hides
>> original matching leather that had been there for 30 years easy.  Being
>> somewhat impecunious at the time I did not buy them but I should have.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/11/17 10:05 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> It looks like a great car except those front seats are really a put off.
>>> If I happen to have a set of green velour seats I might be all over it.
>>> What are the chances of finding a set though.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 you need to buy that
 
 --FT
 
 
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> Needs replacement front seats though
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Saturday's 300SEL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Got the engine mounts done fairly easy.  The driver’s side outer bolt wasn’t 
happy abut starting, and it appeared that it might have previously been cross 
threaded, as the threads were a little dull.  It probably took me 30 minuted to 
get it started and be satisfied that it wasn’t cross threaded. Fortunately, the 
last person who was in there greased all of the bolts and they came out quite 
easily.  No problem with lining up the main bolt from underneath, either.

Next was the transmission mount.  That was pretty much a 20 minute job.  I gave 
some thought to doing the front flex disc, but I’ll save that for another day.

Now back to the fuel filter.  Ugh.  Since I had Kroiled everything in advance, 
fasteners came off pretty easy.  Got the token douche with gasoline (makes me 
appreciate diesels all the more) and got the new filter installed.  Fired 
everything up and it leaks. Dang.  Even though I hadn’t touched it, the banjo 
fitting at the outlet of the pump was dripping. Bled off the pressure (another 
shower, of course) and went at the fittings with a vengeance.  Fired it back up 
and no more drips.

Taking a break right now and then planning on draining and refilling the 
cooling system and replacing the thermostat.  Now that I can get to the power 
steering lines I may attack that as well.

-D


> On Mar 11, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> "One of these things is not like the other….”
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aqn6oz7h8dtbs5b/IMG_1392.jpg?dl=0
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/niz8ibs666fqpz2/IMG_1393.jpg?dl=0
> 
> Yeah, methinks the engine mounts are shot. Passenger side it out and ready to 
> be replaced.  Not looking forward to driver’s side, as it’s buried.  Lots of 
> Kroil going in there before I start on it.
> 
> Also noticed the serpentine belt is pretty loose, so I suspect the lousy belt 
> tensioner they used on this engine is shot or near death.  More on that as I 
> know it.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The Klann probably would make the job easier, but I've done everything 
except 111 without a compressor.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
March 10, 2017 at 7:49 PM
Pretty sure a spring compressor is required for the front.

Check the price for a new lower control arm, that should have mounted 
new ball joint and inner bushing. Pricey, but time saving and fewer 
special tools required.




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Re: [MBZ] A package deal of wagons?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 1:58 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> You do know that the veg oil cars are junk now?  Running that in the engines 
> will have pretty much destroyed them.  I guess the engines could be rebuilt.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 6:46 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 80s Mercedes 300td
>> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/6034942420.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A package deal of wagons?

[clay via Mercedes]

You do know that the veg oil cars are junk now?  Running that in the engines 
will have pretty much destroyed them.  I guess the engines could be rebuilt.

clay



> On Mar 11, 2017, at 6:46 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Correction:  that last link should have been: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252781843579


> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 2:16 PM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Scott Ritchey 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild
> 
> The actual lower ball joints are cheap (like $30), even for good
> quality parts, so I think you'll regret not replacing them.
> If you use the "pickle fork" to separate those tapered studs just know
> that it will ruin every joint (ball joints & tie rod ends) and you'll
> need to replace the boots and probably the joints.
> You can pop the three tapered studs non-destructively with the right
> tool. I needed to use two types of separator that generally looked like
> these (not sure about sizes):
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/252439905900
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/152445455569
> These tools did not damage the parts; I used the old nuts to protect
> the ends of the threads.
> I doubt a the average shop can press in the ball joint without a
> special tool.  That steering knuckle is an odd shape that defies the
> typical ball joint press.  The ball joint needs to be pressed straight
> in and must not get cocked. The ebay tool
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/252439905900 )I used (with a shop press)
> provides correct alignment of the new BJ with the knuckle.  By the way,
> that tool comes with a special drift that does a good job removing the
> old BJ.
> 
> Scott
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes I’m going to inspect everything closely today.
> > I’m thinking that if the LCA bushings are decent and the lower ball
> > joint is tight, I”m going to just do the upper control arm and
> replace
> > the boots on the lower ball joints and call it done.
> >
> > I’ve driven the car maybe 100 miles so far over all sorts of road
> > conditions and there’s no front end weirdness that I can identify.
> > Just last night the right lower ball joint started making some tiny
> > little noises during turns, which I suspect is probably due to a lack
> > of lubrication as the boots are totally shot on both.  I can get boot
> > kits from MB for maybe $15/each, so that would mean I would just have
> > to separate the ball joint to install then button everything back up.
> >
> > Can the HF separator handle these, or do I have to have the MB tool?
> >
> > Thanks all,
> >
> > -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Basic level 1977 240D on BAT

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Actually it's got miss matched interior. The brown seats are not correct.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> It's almost my first car
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has some minor  cosmetic flaws that could prove costly to ameliorate.
>> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mercedes-benz-240d/
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'd take the front spindles and LCAs parts to a shop to get the new 
stuff pressed in.  It was pretty easy to press in the lower BJs with the 
official tool, but nobody I know has that.  THe LCA inner bushings are 
much easier to pay a shop to press in.


Don't forget the tie rod ends, center link and idler arm bushings!

You need to  order the UCA outer bushings separately.  (4)
A drop of blue permatex on the outer UCA bolt is good.  I had one come 
out once.


the guide rods probably don't need to be touched.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM
SWMBO is of the opinion I need to make the 300SEL fit for handing over 
to the oldest boy. While I’m far from keen about this, as we all know 
a wise man picks his battles carefully.


Anyway, my feeling is that if this is to be, the front end needs to be 
rebuilt before handing it over. This serves two purposes:


1.) To make the car pretty much 100% as far as front suspension, as 
the boots on all the joints are gone and it’s a little noisy at times.


2.) I have never rebuilt the front suspension on ANY Mercedes, so this 
would be a good opportunity to do so with the blessings of the spouse.


I’ll be researching this on the Interwebs, but of course any 
observations, suggestions or experience that people might want to 
share would be most welcome. I am assuming I need to replace:


Upper control arms
Lower ball joints
Lower control arm bushings

The guide rods have been changed and look good and are tight, so those 
should be OK. Do I need to worry about the guide rod bushings/mounts? 
How much of a nightmare is removing the ball joints? Should I have a 
shop press the new ones in as well as the LCA bushings? I don’t need a 
spring compressor as I recall - I can just separate the lower ball 
joint and lower the arm to release the spring, correct?


I figure I can learn how to do this on the 300SEL and then when the 
time comes to do the 350SDL it will be that much easier.


Thanks,

-D
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The actual lower ball joints are cheap (like $30), even for good quality parts, 
so I think you'll regret not replacing them.
If you use the "pickle fork" to separate those tapered studs just know that it 
will ruin every joint (ball joints & tie rod ends) and you'll need to replace 
the boots and probably the joints.  
You can pop the three tapered studs non-destructively with the right tool. I 
needed to use two types of separator that generally looked like these (not sure 
about sizes):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252439905900
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152445455569
These tools did not damage the parts; I used the old nuts to protect the ends 
of the threads.
I doubt a the average shop can press in the ball joint without a special tool.  
That steering knuckle is an odd shape that defies the typical ball joint press. 
 The ball joint needs to be pressed straight in and must not get cocked. The 
ebay tool (http://www.ebay.com/itm/252439905900 )I used (with a shop press) 
provides correct alignment of the new BJ with the knuckle.  By the way, that 
tool comes with a special drift that does a good job removing the old BJ.

Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> I’m going to inspect everything closely today.  I’m thinking that if
> the LCA bushings are decent and the lower ball joint is tight, I”m
> going to just do the upper control arm and replace the boots on the
> lower ball joints and call it done.
> 
> I’ve driven the car maybe 100 miles so far over all sorts of road
> conditions and there’s no front end weirdness that I can identify.
> Just last night the right lower ball joint started making some tiny
> little noises during turns, which I suspect is probably due to a lack
> of lubrication as the boots are totally shot on both.  I can get boot
> kits from MB for maybe $15/each, so that would mean I would just have
> to separate the ball joint to install then button everything back up.
> 
> Can the HF separator handle these, or do I have to have the MB tool?
> 
> Thanks all,
> 
> -D


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Re: [MBZ] I can't use a camera or...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Gramm-err



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
March 10, 2017 at 11:30 AM
grammer

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Re: [MBZ] Basic level 1977 240D on BAT

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It's almost my first car

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> On Mar 11, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Has some minor  cosmetic flaws that could prove costly to ameliorate.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Who can pass up a $200 car?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I can - - -

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> 65 Mercedes W108 4 door sedan
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Re: [MBZ] What to do on a cold rainy day?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Fire up the welding torch in the hangar - that's what to do when it's cold
and rainy -

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Watch Blazing Saddles on Netflix, that's what.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Seems to be a US car with rare velour interior, green on green

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Strangely compelling, though I do not normally like velour.

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Easy enough for a good upholstery shop to reproduce, I bet the original
> material is available.
>
> I went to a shop in Houston to see about getting new covers for the 76
> Eldo.  Old guy thinks a minute and says "follow me."  We go to the back of
> his shop, stuff piled everywhere, he opens a cabinet and pulls out 2 hides
> original matching leather that had been there for 30 years easy.  Being
> somewhat impecunious at the time I did not buy them but I should have.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 3/11/17 10:05 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> It looks like a great car except those front seats are really a put off.
>> If I happen to have a set of green velour seats I might be all over it.
>> What are the chances of finding a set though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> you need to buy that
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/10/17 8:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 Needs replacement front seats though

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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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[MBZ] Basic level 1977 240D on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Has some minor  cosmetic flaws that could prove costly to ameliorate.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mercedes-benz-240d/
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Re: [MBZ] A package deal of wagons?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The explanatory text isn't very helpful.  Someone local should contact the
seller to get more info.

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Re: [MBZ] Who can pass up a $200 car?

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It's still got its rear end!

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Re: [MBZ] What to do on a cold rainy day?

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Its not raining here but its awful cold with a vicious wind.
A nor-easter is due Tuesday and I'll be in California so I figured I'd work on 
the loader tractor a little in case its needed.The lights weren't coming on 
which turned out to be a bad ground. When I took it apart I didn't realize the 
bare wire wound around the hood mount was the ground, that got a ring terminal 
and reinstalled.I tightened the lower mount for the choke cable, the choke has 
an annoying tendency to set itself. I also lubed the cable, I'm not sure if 
that helped or not, its easier to apply now though.
The battery is held in with a bungee cord thats cracking. I bought some steel 
to make a new one but the cold drove me back inside before I got any work done 
on that front. I just looked on eBay and found one for $35. Glad I looked too, 
it shows me that my plan was a little off base. I can come up with a better 
design now.
Finally got a bunch of measurements for proper hydraulic cylinders. I'm working 
out my shopping list so I can order and have it here when I get back.
Anyway before I froze I let the tractor run for awhile with the hydraulic pump 
on. The belt alignment isn't great, when the weather gets better the pump mount 
is on the modifications list. That said I ran it for half an hour or so with 
very cold oil and it didn't drop the belt or do anything funky.
-Curt


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[MBZ] What to do on a cold rainy day?

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Watch Blazing Saddles on Netflix, that's what.

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Re: [MBZ] Michelins at Costco

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Agreed. But they both use bulk purchasing and unique specifications to increase 
their profits.

-D

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> On Mar 11, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Costco is better than Sam's.
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Be careful and ask if they are “real” Michelins.  I’ve spoken about this 
>> here in the past - the Michelins sold at Sam’s aren’t covered by “regular” 
>> Michelin dealers as they’re built to spec for Sam’s and have no existence in 
>> the “real” Michelin retail pipeline.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> > On Mar 11, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > $70 off a set and $0.01 install this weekend only!
>> >
>> > --FT
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > --FT
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>> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, 
>> > large or petty,
>> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
>> > the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Michelins at Costco

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Costco is better than Sam's.

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> Be careful and ask if they are “real” Michelins.  I’ve spoken about this
> here in the past - the Michelins sold at Sam’s aren’t covered by “regular”
> Michelin dealers as they’re built to spec for Sam’s and have no existence
> in the “real” Michelin retail pipeline.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Mar 11, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > $70 off a set and $0.01 install this weekend only!
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > --
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> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
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Re: [MBZ] Michelins at Costco

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Be careful and ask if they are “real” Michelins.  I’ve spoken about this here 
in the past - the Michelins sold at Sam’s aren’t covered by “regular” Michelin 
dealers as they’re built to spec for Sam’s and have no existence in the “real” 
Michelin retail pipeline.

-D


> On Mar 11, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> $70 off a set and $0.01 install this weekend only!
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That would be great.  Anything you can pass along would be appreciated.

I have a plate type spring compressor I got for the W140s, so I’m good there.  
I don’t have a local machine shop identified, so I need to do that as I’ve 
never had to farm anything out around here.  My tire guys do front end work, so 
I’m pretty sure I can get them to press the ball joints and all that since I 
have a good relationship with them.

Both upper and lower ball joint boots are shot, so I’m assuming the joints are 
on their way out as well.  LCA bushings actually look pretty good from what I 
can see, but if I have to go that deep into the front end it seems silly to 
skip replacing them.

I have a big compressor, a big rattle gun and pickle forks (but not for the gun 
- I can get some of those at HF, I’m guessing.)  I also have all the W126 
manual operations for the work.  I would probably replace the front brake discs 
while I’m there as they aren’t far away from hitting the wear limits, and the 
pads are more than half gone, too.  I’m assuming I would need a ball joint 
separator - has anyone determined if the HF one works?

Someone replaced the tie rods in the recent past, as they’re all good and the 
center even still has the Mercedes parts sticker hanging from it.  Idler arm 
bushing can probably be done as well.  It’s not sloppy, but there’s a boatload 
of grease around the ends which makes me suspect its integrity.

Not sure I want to go MB on this, as the upper control arms are stupid 
expensive as are the lowers.  I’m having a tough time finding everything in 
Lemforder, too.  I see Meyle and Febi, with Febi being the cheapest (money 
would not be a major concern if I was doing this for a handoff to the oldest 
boy, but I’m not paying $300 to MB for a part I can get for under $100 
elsewhere, either.)  Anything I would buy aftermarket I would go to FCP Euro 
since they have lifetime replacement.  That way if it wears out in a couple of 
years I can get a new one from them gratis.

-D


> On Mar 11, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've done the 123 and 126, easy enough to do, the manuals give all the 
> details, just go through methodically and do it.  Parts for the 126 maybe 3-4 
> years ago were about $900 for everything (and I probably replaced more than 
> was needed but it was ALL renewed).  I got all the stuff from Jabba so can 
> dig out the order list of all the parts.  I figured as long as I was doing 
> the job the marginal cost of parts was minimal.  I think I did new break 
> rotors and pats at the time too just because it was all apart, and you will 
> want to clean and grease the bearings.
> 
> A BFH and air hammer (with pickle forks and chisels) are your friends for BJs 
> and steering bits.  I have the spring compressor if you need to borrow it 
> (and I think you do need it, it is still under compression with the LCA 
> lowered).  I took new BJs to a shop to have them use the tool to press in, 
> cost maybe $30 and took about 15min.  Bushings (subframe mounts too) are easy 
> enough with a biggish vise.  A rattle wrench is your friend too just to make 
> easy work of losening everything.
> 
> I have some pics I took of some of the process, I can send them along if I 
> can dig them out.
> 
> Then you'll need to take it to a good shop for an alignment.
> 
> The only thing I should have done was to try to adjust the steering box, it 
> is still a bit lose.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I've done the 123 and 126, easy enough to do, the manuals give all the 
details, just go through methodically and do it.  Parts for the 126 
maybe 3-4 years ago were about $900 for everything (and I probably 
replaced more than was needed but it was ALL renewed).  I got all the 
stuff from Jabba so can dig out the order list of all the parts.  I 
figured as long as I was doing the job the marginal cost of parts was 
minimal.  I think I did new break rotors and pats at the time too just 
because it was all apart, and you will want to clean and grease the 
bearings.


A BFH and air hammer (with pickle forks and chisels) are your friends 
for BJs and steering bits.  I have the spring compressor if you need to 
borrow it (and I think you do need it, it is still under compression 
with the LCA lowered).  I took new BJs to a shop to have them use the 
tool to press in, cost maybe $30 and took about 15min.  Bushings 
(subframe mounts too) are easy enough with a biggish vise.  A rattle 
wrench is your friend too just to make easy work of losening everything.


I have some pics I took of some of the process, I can send them along if 
I can dig them out.


Then you'll need to take it to a good shop for an alignment.

The only thing I should have done was to try to adjust the steering box, 
it is still a bit lose.


--FT


On 3/10/17 8:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

SWMBO is of the opinion I need to make the 300SEL fit for handing over to the 
oldest boy.  While I’m far from keen about this, as we all know a wise man 
picks his battles carefully.

Anyway, my feeling is that if this is to be, the front end needs to be rebuilt 
before handing it over.  This serves two purposes:

1.) To make the car pretty much 100% as far as front suspension, as the boots 
on all the joints are gone and it’s a little noisy at times.

2.) I have never rebuilt the front suspension on ANY Mercedes, so this would be 
a good opportunity to do so with the blessings of the spouse.

I’ll be researching this on the Interwebs, but of course any observations, 
suggestions or experience that people might want to share would be most 
welcome.  I am assuming I need to replace:

Upper control arms
Lower ball joints
Lower control arm bushings

The guide rods have been changed and look good and are tight, so those should 
be OK.  Do I need to worry about the guide rod bushings/mounts?  How much of a 
nightmare is removing the ball joints?  Should I have a shop press the new ones 
in as well as the LCA bushings?  I don’t need a spring compressor as I recall - 
I can just separate the lower ball joint and lower the arm to release the 
spring, correct?

I figure I can learn how to do this on the 300SEL and then when the time comes 
to do the 350SDL it will be that much easier.

Thanks,

-D
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[MBZ] Michelins at Costco

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$70 off a set and $0.01 install this weekend only!

--FT


--
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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Seems to be a US car with rare velour interior, green on green

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Easy enough for a good upholstery shop to reproduce, I bet the original 
material is available.


I went to a shop in Houston to see about getting new covers for the 76 
Eldo.  Old guy thinks a minute and says "follow me."  We go to the back 
of his shop, stuff piled everywhere, he opens a cabinet and pulls out 2 
hides original matching leather that had been there for 30 years easy.  
Being somewhat impecunious at the time I did not buy them but I should have.


--FT


On 3/11/17 10:05 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

It looks like a great car except those front seats are really a put off. If I 
happen to have a set of green velour seats I might be all over it. What are the 
chances of finding a set though.

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On Mar 11, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

you need to buy that

--FT



On 3/10/17 8:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Needs replacement front seats though

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or petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D Mercedes 4dr Diesel $650

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It does have some value at around $140 a ton right now.

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> 
> Overpriced at $0.00
> 
> Cury
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1974 240D Mercedes 4dr Diesel $650

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Overpriced at $0.00
Cury

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[MBZ] Saturday's 300SEL Fun

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"One of these things is not like the other….”

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aqn6oz7h8dtbs5b/IMG_1392.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/niz8ibs666fqpz2/IMG_1393.jpg?dl=0

Yeah, methinks the engine mounts are shot. Passenger side it out and ready to 
be replaced.  Not looking forward to driver’s side, as it’s buried.  Lots of 
Kroil going in there before I start on it.

Also noticed the serpentine belt is pretty loose, so I suspect the lousy belt 
tensioner they used on this engine is shot or near death.  More on that as I 
know it.

-D


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[MBZ] Mercedes S350 Diesel $2995

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This looks like a fair deal at first aside from the ghetto grille, except 
carfax shows total loss last year, except it also noted very minor impact 
airbags not deployed. They are going to have a hell of a time trying to sell it 
in Texas with no ac.

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Re: [MBZ] Seems to be a US car with rare velour interior, green on green

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It looks like a great car except those front seats are really a put off. If I 
happen to have a set of green velour seats I might be all over it. What are the 
chances of finding a set though.

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> you need to buy that
> 
> --FT
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>> On 3/10/17 8:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Needs replacement front seats though
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Seems to be a US car with rare velour interior, green on green

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you need to buy that

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Needs replacement front seats though

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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[MBZ] A package deal of wagons?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

80s Mercedes 300td
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[MBZ] Who can pass up a $200 car?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

65 Mercedes W108 4 door sedan
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[MBZ] 1974 240D Mercedes 4dr Diesel $650

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Even I think this is way overpriced 

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If the boots are torn, the ball joint needs to be replaced. If it tore and you 
noticed it right away you might be able to get away with just doing boots but 
if it's now making noise, it's already damaged. 

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> I’m going to inspect everything closely today.  I’m thinking that if the LCA 
> bushings are decent and the lower ball joint is tight, I”m going to just do 
> the upper control arm and replace the boots on the lower ball joints and call 
> it done.
> 
> I’ve driven the car maybe 100 miles so far over all sorts of road conditions 
> and there’s no front end weirdness that I can identify.  Just last night the 
> right lower ball joint started making some tiny little noises during turns, 
> which I suspect is probably due to a lack of lubrication as the boots are 
> totally shot on both.  I can get boot kits from MB for maybe $15/each, so 
> that would mean I would just have to separate the ball joint to install then 
> button everything back up.
> 
> Can the HF separator handle these, or do I have to have the MB tool?
> 
> Thanks all,
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Old diesels made new

[MG via Mercedes]

If he was a lot closer I would take a chance. It's a lot better 
then $7500 for just a long block.


Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:34:44 -0800 clay via Mercedes
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https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/6035447400.html

I am not sure what to make of this.  I do not need a motor, but these
are just so pretty.


They are pretty.

How well are they rebuilt?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Old diesels made new

[MG via Mercedes]

That was my thought when I saw it but I don't need any more new 
projects right now.


clay via Mercedes wrote:
You would need to make them all pretty.  Like new pretty.  Is there a market for diesel engines out your way?  We have overly paid fools who are still big on old cars.  Ran into one fellow who picked up a 78 300D and had no idea what all he had.  





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Hell I guess I need to start rebuilding some of my engines.

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https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/6035447400.html

I am not sure what to make of this.  I do not need a motor, but these are just 
so pretty.



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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m going to inspect everything closely today.  I’m thinking that if the LCA 
bushings are decent and the lower ball joint is tight, I”m going to just do the 
upper control arm and replace the boots on the lower ball joints and call it 
done.

I’ve driven the car maybe 100 miles so far over all sorts of road conditions 
and there’s no front end weirdness that I can identify.  Just last night the 
right lower ball joint started making some tiny little noises during turns, 
which I suspect is probably due to a lack of lubrication as the boots are 
totally shot on both.  I can get boot kits from MB for maybe $15/each, so that 
would mean I would just have to separate the ball joint to install then button 
everything back up.

Can the HF separator handle these, or do I have to have the MB tool?

Thanks all,

-D


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Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks for correcting me, shouldn't have assumed they were similar to 124 cars.
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'95 E300

On March 11, 2017 12:13:56 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Bushing-yes; ball joint-no.  Ball joint presses into the knuckle.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes
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>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Front End Rebuild
>> 
>> Pretty sure a spring compressor is required for the front.
>> 
>> Check the price for a new lower control arm, that should have mounted
>new
>> ball joint and inner bushing.   Pricey, but time saving and fewer
>special tools
>> required.
>> --
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On March 10, 2017 8:31:12 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> >SWMBO is of the opinion I need to make the 300SEL fit for handing
>over
>> >to the oldest boy.  While I’m far from keen about this, as we all
>know
>> >a wise man picks his battles carefully.
>> >
>> >Anyway, my feeling is that if this is to be, the front end needs to
>be
>> >rebuilt before handing it over.  This serves two purposes:
>> >
>> >1.) To make the car pretty much 100% as far as front suspension, as
>the
>> >boots on all the joints are gone and it’s a little noisy at times.
>> >
>> >2.) I have never rebuilt the front suspension on ANY Mercedes, so
>this
>> >would be a good opportunity to do so with the blessings of the
>spouse.
>> >
>> >I’ll be researching this on the Interwebs, but of course any
>> >observations, suggestions or experience that people might want to
>share
>> >would be most welcome.  I am assuming I need to replace:
>> >
>> >Upper control arms
>> >Lower ball joints
>> >Lower control arm bushings
>> >
>> >The guide rods have been changed and look good and are tight, so
>those
>> >should be OK.  Do I need to worry about the guide rod
>bushings/mounts?
>> >How much of a nightmare is removing the ball joints?  Should I have
>a
>> >shop press the new ones in as well as the LCA bushings?  I don’t
>need a
>> >spring compressor as I recall - I can just separate the lower ball
>> >joint and lower the arm to release the spring, correct?
>> >
>> >I figure I can learn how to do this on the 300SEL and then when the
>> >time comes to do the 350SDL it will be that much easier.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Old diesels made new

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:39:18 -0800
clay via Mercedes  wrote:

> Fellow seems to be making his living this way, so must need to make these 
> fully functional or he would have very unhappy clients.  At least a smart man 
> would.  There is a very big off roading community that  is deeply into 
> transplanting these engines into their rigs.  There is one fellow who does 
> the transplant for $15k.  If a person were versed enough to do the job his 
> own self, this would shave $5k from the bill.
> 
> clay

> >> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/6035447400.html
> >> 
> >> I am not sure what to make of this.  I do not need a motor, but these
> >> are just so pretty.
> > They are pretty.
> > How well are they rebuilt?
> > Craig
~~~
Marshall said Mercedes factory rebuilts were the only ones that held up and 
lasted, and Mercedes quit rebuilding 617s years ago IIRC.

In the '30s and '40s we would hone the cylinders, expand (knurl) the skirts on 
the old pistons or install new pistons, and install new rings. Those jobs 
lasted 30 to 50K miles; sometimes more.
In the '50s and '60s Beetles would get sets of fitted/matching cylinders and 
pistons. They lasted over 100K.
Now we have engines lasting far long and these are probably the reasons:

http://www.productionmachining.com/articles/attaining-ten-millionths-bore-accuracy

IMO there's no telling how much or how little time and money this guy spends on 
a rebuild.

FWIW: Mercedes dealer said Mercedes doesn't rebuild engines anymore; just sells 
new engines.

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