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On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:24:48 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Go for it Craig, you know you want a crack car.

Well, not really. I think I'll pass on that one.

I have been thinking, however, of replacing the '82 240D/3.0.
Perhaps with an '84 or '85 300SD, or maybe a W124.

Got any suggestions?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] As a result of a bad acid trip the 0 key got stuck

Go for it Craig, you know you want a crack car.

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> On Mar 21, 2017, at 10:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:13:42 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-/192136455329?hash=item2cbc39a4a1:g:NDwAAOSwWxNYoQ4u=mtr
> 
> 
>This is a very clean low mileage Mercedes V12 S600 sedan.
> 
> So that's why he is asking $23,000.
> 
> 
>Everything in the car works as it should and is in order. 
> 
> At least until the new driver heads home with it.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] As a result of a bad acid trip the 0 key got stuck

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:13:42 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-/192136455329?hash=item2cbc39a4a1:g:NDwAAOSwWxNYoQ4u=mtr


This is a very clean low mileage Mercedes V12 S600 sedan.

So that's why he is asking $23,000.


Everything in the car works as it should and is in order. 

At least until the new driver heads home with it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ANTIQUE 1957 Mercedes-Benz 180D 4 door

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:12:41 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
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> You need that for a mailbox holder by the road.

That's probably the only good use for it, but $2500 is rather steep.


Craig

> > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > March 21, 2017 at 9:35 PM
> >
> > ANTIQUE 1957 Mercedes-Benz 180D 4 door
> > http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bar/6031615888.html

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Re: [MBZ] ANTIQUE 1957 Mercedes-Benz 180D 4 door

2017-03-21 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

One zero too many in the asking price.

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[MBZ] As a result of a bad acid trip the 0 key got stuck

2017-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-/192136455329?hash=item2cbc39a4a1:g:NDwAAOSwWxNYoQ4u=mtr


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Re: [MBZ] ANTIQUE 1957 Mercedes-Benz 180D 4 door


You need that for a mailbox holder by the road.


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March 21, 2017 at 9:35 PM

ANTIQUE 1957 Mercedes-Benz 180D 4 door
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bar/6031615888.html



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[MBZ] Oversees shipping, update

2017-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

You all might recall I asked about shipping times from the UK having a 
diff shipped.  Seller sent me tracking number a few days ago but I 
finally figured out what limey site to track it on. It does not appear 
the dude shipped it until the 16th.  Item was paid for back in 
February.  Anyway it appears it arrived in the US today and has been 
transferred to USPS.



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Re: [MBZ] ANTIQUE 1957 Mercedes-Benz 180D 4 door

Needs tires.

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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

Did you swap out/in the GP relay and/or fuse (if it has them)?

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> Yeah, I bought  one or 2 sets of Beru, but normally just use the Bosch.  I
> generally replace only one at a time because the MTBF is not a narrow
> band.  Some last 20 years, some last 1.  The exception in on an OM603 if I
> am going to take off the manifold and there are at least 2 bad on a car I
> just bought.  Then I may replace all, but I save the good ones to replace
> somewhere when one goes out.
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> March 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM
>> Interesting about the Beru GPs, too. They’re tough to find and about 3x
>> the cost of the Bosch. That’s what I’ll replace it with. The Bosch is about
>> a year old, I replaced them last May.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Kyle!

Overkill.  Instead buy 10 good used engines.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> I found rebuilt engines for wagons:
>
> http://www.dieselmercedes.com/Complete_Diesel_Motors_s/2150.
> htm?mc_cid=6dcc09b248_eid=9e79e86b78
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[MBZ] Put some used injectors in The White Whale

I had some free time tonight, so I decided to clean up the two fouled
injectors (that had been run without heat shields) and put that whole set
back in while I wait for Mark to properly set the injectors with the new
Monark nozzles.

I'm not very good at cleaning injectors apparently, the engine ran pretty
badly once I got them all in and the lines bled.  I ran a can of diesel
purge through the car straight, that helped immensely, and then went for a
test drive.  The idle is not as smooth as it used to be, but the knocking
is about 95% gone.  I'll run these injectors for a few days and then swap
them out with the Monark nozzle injectors later this week.

I've also got fuel leaking from between the two halves of the nozzle holder
body on #1 injector.  I'd need more practice and better tools before I'd be
any good at injector work.
-
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Re: [MBZ] This is an extremely rare vehicle


Loooks like an aussie car!


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 9:21 PM

Mercedes 560 SEL
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

Yeah, I bought  one or 2 sets of Beru, but normally just use the Bosch.  
I generally replace only one at a time because the MTBF is not a narrow 
band.  Some last 20 years, some last 1.  The exception in on an OM603 if 
I am going to take off the manifold and there are at least 2 bad on a 
car I just bought.  Then I may replace all, but I save the good ones to 
replace somewhere when one goes out.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM
Interesting about the Beru GPs, too. They’re tough to find and about 
3x the cost of the Bosch. That’s what I’ll replace it with. The Bosch 
is about a year old, I replaced them last May.


-D





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Re: [MBZ] This is an extremely rare vehicle

An early prototype...

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

The switch went bad on this car several (15?) years ago.  The 
replacement did NOT look as robust as the original.  It is not that bad 
to change if you are young and supple. Key  in the on position, and the 
plug pulls out.  3 screws and the switch is in your hand.


I have had one light switch go bad in 40 years and 15-20 cars.  I think 
that was on a 62 car.


I also replaced the big german switch on an Erka spiral mixer  (about 10 
HP)  It is about 4" dia and 6" long with all wires held on with screws.  
Takes a while to change all them!



archer75--- via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 8:34 PM
Check the connectors on the bus bar at the top of the right fender 
under the hood. I forget what all feeds from there. Loose or corroded 
connectors are unlikely, but you've checked everything else.
Also, the ignition switch module on the back of the steering lock 
assembly has a number of wires going to it and several multiple 
contacts. It's a complex switch, and considering how many things it 
feeds, could conceivably be the problem. Supposedly you can change it 
out from up above the drivers footwell, but it looks pretty difficult 
getting to it and switching the wires. I took out the steering wheel 
locking unit/key tumbler on which the switch is mounted to change it, 
and that was a PIA since MB designed it to thwart thieves.

~~



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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

On the OM603 and earlier engines, I think Bosch are the best choice, that's
what I just put in my '87 wagon.  Beru is preferred for the OM606 engines
because they seem to be made of sturdier stuff (they publish a maximum
torque that can be applied when removing the plugs, haven't found that for
Bosch) and they were OE.

Oh yeah, Marshall said we had to use Bosch, you don't want to go down that
path

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Interesting about the Beru GPs, too.  They’re tough to find and about 3x
> the cost of the Bosch.  That’s what I’ll replace it with. The Bosch is
> about a year old, I replaced them last May.
>
> -D
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

Didn't think the compressor was running with the high vent temperatures, so
not KLIMA if you have compressor engaging.

Did some of your refrigerant leak out?

Maybe the car just wants some attention?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I wondered about the KLIMA, but since I’m getting compressor operation,
> what else would it be affecting?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not related.  HVAC sounds like KLIMA relay or push button unit.  If your
> tachometer also died, then the OVP relay would be suspect.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
>
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[MBZ] This is an extremely rare vehicle



Mercedes 560 SEL
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

2017-03-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Check the connectors on the bus bar at the top of the right fender under the 
hood. I forget what all feeds from there. Loose or corroded connectors are 
unlikely, but you've checked everything else.
Also, the ignition switch module on the back of the steering lock assembly has 
a number of wires going to it and several multiple contacts. It's a complex 
switch, and considering how many things it feeds, could conceivably be the 
problem. Supposedly you can change it out from up above the drivers footwell, 
but it looks pretty difficult getting to it and switching the wires. I took out 
the steering wheel locking unit/key tumbler on which the switch is mounted to 
change it, and that was a PIA since MB designed it to thwart thieves.
~~
Curley wrote:
> >Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top 
> >row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side,
> >all 
> >have no juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for
> >
> >headlights and tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights 
> >work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital 
> >meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even 
> >numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.
> >
> >Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.
> >
> >That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a 
> >closed circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be 
> >made by wiggling the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key 
> >counterclockwise.
> >
> >The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.
> >
> >> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> >> March 21, 2017 at 4:51 PM
> >> Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole lot worse on a 
> >> newer vehicle.
> >>
> >> RB
> >>
> >>
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> >> Curley McLain 
> >> March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
> >> Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical 
> >> gremlins in the 240D (81)
> >>
> >> The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas)
> >
> >> not designed by MB/Bosch
> >>
> >> These circuits all went out at the same time:
> >> Gas gauge
> >> temp gauge
> >> turn signals (4 ways work)
> >> both window circuits
> >> heater blower
> >>
> >> Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis 
> >> grounds behind the cluster.
> >>
> >> It resulted in no change.
> >>
> >> I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good,
> >I 
> >> would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.
> >>
> >> Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits 
> >> in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.
> >>
> >> I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my 
> >> thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does 
> >> not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

2017-03-21 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Correction:  " and (I think) 6" should read "and fuse c".  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:00 PM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Scott Ritchey 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins
> 
> Many fuses are downstream of switches and  get power only when certain
> switch configurations are set.  F1, for example should only get power when
the
> light switch in park or headlight OR with the light switch in left or
right standing
> AND the ignition switch in off or acc.
> 
> You really need to look at pp 104-105 (power distribution) of the ETM and
> identify specific circuits that fail to get power even with the switches
set right.
> Power or no-power at any fuse doesn't indicate anything unless you know
the
> switch settings.
> 
> Basically, ALL of the power (except starter) comes into the light switch
first and
> most of it is fed from there to the ignition switch via two wires.
> But there is also one wire from the light switch hot feed to the fuse box
fuses 2
> and (I think) 6 that should be powered at all times; this wire it also
powers the
> windows through a relay.  Fuse 2 is supposed to power turn signals (among
> many other things).  The two (a and b) window fuses should only be powered
> if the window relay is powered through fuse 12 (ignition switch in run or
start).
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curley McLain via Mercedes
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:20 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins
> >
> > Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top
> > row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side,
> > all
> have no
> > juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for
> > headlights
> and
> > tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights
> > work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital
> > meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even
> > numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.
> >
> > Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.
> >
> > That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a
> > closed circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be
> > made by
> wiggling
> > the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key counterclockwise.
> >
> > The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.
> >
> > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes  March 21,
> > > 2017 at 4:51 PM Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole
> > > lot worse on a newer vehicle.
> > >
> > > RB
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Curley McLain  March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
> > > Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical
> > > gremlins in the 240D (81)
> > >
> > > The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness
> > > (Lucas) not designed by MB/Bosch
> > >
> > > These circuits all went out at the same time:
> > > Gas gauge
> > > temp gauge
> > > turn signals (4 ways work)
> > > both window circuits
> > > heater blower
> > >
> > > Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis
> > > grounds behind the cluster.
> > >
> > > It resulted in no change.
> > >
> > > I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good,
> > > I would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.
> > >
> > > Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits
> > > in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.
> > >
> > > I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my
> > > thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does
> > > not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.
> > >
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[MBZ] Hey Kyle!

I found rebuilt engines for wagons:

http://www.dieselmercedes.com/Complete_Diesel_Motors_s/2150.htm?mc_cid=6dcc09b248_eid=9e79e86b78

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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

Interesting about the Beru GPs, too.  They’re tough to find and about 3x the 
cost of the Bosch.  That’s what I’ll replace it with. The Bosch is about a year 
old, I replaced them last May.

-D


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> #3 is not the worst.  1 and 6 are easiest.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> March 21, 2017 at 7:04 PM
>> Did a quick resistance check:
>> 
>> 1 - 0.7 Ω
>> 2 - 0.7 Ω
>> 3 - 25 Ω
>> 4 - 0.7 Ω
>> 5 - 0.7 Ω
>> 6 - 0.7 Ω
>> 
>> So based on this I assume I have a bad #3 glow plug. Of course, as it’s 
>> probably the most difficult one to get to…
>> 
>> I may decide to live with this for a while, since cold weather starting 
>> isn’t an issue here. That is, if it doesn’t drive me nuts first.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness


#3 is not the worst.  1 and 6 are easiest.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 7:04 PM
Did a quick resistance check:

1 - 0.7 Ω
2 - 0.7 Ω
3 - 25 Ω
4 - 0.7 Ω
5 - 0.7 Ω
6 - 0.7 Ω

So based on this I assume I have a bad #3 glow plug. Of course, as 
it’s probably the most difficult one to get to…


I may decide to live with this for a while, since cold weather 
starting isn’t an issue here. That is, if it doesn’t drive me nuts first.


-D




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Curley McLain 
March 21, 2017 at 5:24 PM
the GP light is an indication that you have GPs.  They are not related 
to mileage.  Beru have the reputation to last longer, but that is no 
guarantee.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 4:55 PM
The 350SDL started acting weird this morning….

No glow plug light when I went to start it up, or if it did come on it 
was only for a few seconds and I missed it. Ambient was maybe 50F, 
possibly a little warmer. About 5-10 minutes later as I’m driving down 
the street, the glow plug light comes on and stays on for a short 
time, then goes off.


Weird.

At lunch I went out and the light lit for maybe 5-10 seconds and went 
out. Again, it came on while I was driving a few minutes later for a 
short time and then went out.


Same thing on the drive home today.

As I look at the service manual, it says that one of the fault 
indicators is no preglow lamp at startup, then the light can light up 
for approximately one minute while driving. Fault: One or more glow 
plugs defective.


So I’m wondering if I’ve got a bad glow plug. I just swapped them all 
out less than 10k ago, probably even less than that.


But - there’s more…

The AC started acting up. Hot air, literally HOT air coming out of the 
vents. I checked the monovalve, it’s good. Checked the AC system, 
everything is good there as far as pressures and charge, but the low 
pressure line is not cold. High pressure is.


I put a clamp on the coolant line to the cabin to isolate the heater 
and drove the car. I can get duct temps down to about 70F and that’s 
it. Pressures are correct for the ambient temperature and humidity.


It’s almost like I was getting heat during cooling, but I’m not 
getting decent output from the system to begin with.


Both of these issues started at the same time. I can’t see how they’re 
related.


???

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

Did a quick resistance check:

1 - 0.7 Ω
2 - 0.7 Ω
3 - 25 Ω
4 - 0.7 Ω
5 - 0.7 Ω
6 - 0.7 Ω

So based on this I assume I have a bad #3 glow plug. Of course, as it’s 
probably the most difficult one to get to…

I may decide to live with this for a while, since cold weather starting isn’t 
an issue here.  That is, if it doesn’t drive me nuts first.

-D

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> the GP light is an indication that you have GPs.  They are not related to 
> mileage.  Beru have the reputation to last longer, but that is no guarantee.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

2017-03-21 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Many fuses are downstream of switches and  get power only when certain
switch configurations are set.  F1, for example should only get power when
the light switch in park or headlight OR with the light switch in left or
right standing AND the ignition switch in off or acc.  

You really need to look at pp 104-105 (power distribution) of the ETM and
identify specific circuits that fail to get power even with the switches set
right.  Power or no-power at any fuse doesn't indicate anything unless you
know the switch settings.

Basically, ALL of the power (except starter) comes into the light switch
first and most of it is fed from there to the ignition switch via two wires.
But there is also one wire from the light switch hot feed to the fuse box
fuses 2 and (I think) 6 that should be powered at all times; this wire it
also powers the windows through a relay.  Fuse 2 is supposed to power turn
signals (among many other things).  The two (a and b) window fuses should
only be powered if the window relay is powered through fuse 12 (ignition
switch in run or start).

Hope this helps.

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> Curley McLain via Mercedes
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> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins
> 
> Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top
> row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, all
have no
> juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for headlights
and
> tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights
> work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital
> meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even
> numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.
> 
> Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.
> 
> That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a closed
> circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be made by
wiggling
> the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key counterclockwise.
> 
> The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.
> 
> > Randy Bennell via Mercedes  March 21,
> > 2017 at 4:51 PM Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole
> > lot worse on a newer vehicle.
> >
> > RB
> >
> >
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> > Curley McLain  March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
> > Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical
> > gremlins in the 240D (81)
> >
> > The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas)
> > not designed by MB/Bosch
> >
> > These circuits all went out at the same time:
> > Gas gauge
> > temp gauge
> > turn signals (4 ways work)
> > both window circuits
> > heater blower
> >
> > Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis
> > grounds behind the cluster.
> >
> > It resulted in no change.
> >
> > I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I
> > would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.
> >
> > Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits
> > in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.
> >
> > I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my
> > thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does
> > not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

And the tach is working.

-D

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> I wondered about the KLIMA, but since I’m getting compressor operation, what 
> else would it be affecting?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Not related.  HVAC sounds like KLIMA relay or push button unit.  If your 
>> tachometer also died, then the OVP relay would be suspect.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

I put a set of Bosch GPs in it.  Can I check resistances from the GP relay like 
you can on OM617s?

Thanks,

-D

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> the GP light is an indication that you have GPs.  They are not related to 
> mileage.  Beru have the reputation to last longer, but that is no guarantee.
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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

I wondered about the KLIMA, but since I’m getting compressor operation, what 
else would it be affecting?

Thanks,

-D

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not related.  HVAC sounds like KLIMA relay or push button unit.  If your 
> tachometer also died, then the OVP relay would be suspect.
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300


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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

Not related.  HVAC sounds like KLIMA relay or push button unit.  If your 
tachometer also died, then the OVP relay would be suspect.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 21, 2017 5:55:29 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>The 350SDL started acting weird this morning….
>
>No glow plug light when I went to start it up, or if it did come on it
>was only for a few seconds and I missed it.  Ambient was maybe 50F,
>possibly a little warmer.  About 5-10 minutes later as I’m driving down
>the street, the glow plug light comes on and stays on for a short time,
>then goes off.
>
>Weird.
>
>At lunch I went out and the light lit for maybe 5-10 seconds and went
>out.  Again, it came on while I was driving a few minutes later for a
>short time and then went out.
>
>Same thing on the drive home today.
>
>As I look at the service manual, it says that one of the fault
>indicators is no preglow lamp at startup, then the light can light up
>for approximately one minute while driving.  Fault: One or more glow
>plugs defective.
>
>So I’m wondering if I’ve got a bad glow plug.  I just swapped them all
>out less than 10k ago, probably even less than that.
>
>But - there’s more…
>
>The AC started acting up.  Hot air, literally HOT air coming out of the
>vents.  I checked the monovalve, it’s good.  Checked the AC system,
>everything is good there as far as pressures and charge, but the low
>pressure line is not cold.  High pressure is.
>
>I put a clamp on the coolant line to the cabin to isolate the heater
>and drove the car.  I can get duct temps down to about 70F and that’s
>it.  Pressures are correct for the ambient temperature and humidity.
>
>It’s almost like I was getting heat during cooling, but I’m not getting
>decent output from the system to begin with.
>
>Both of these issues started at the same time.  I can’t see how they’re
>related.
>
>???
>
>-D
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

Pull all those fuses that don't have power, repeat check for voltage on both 
sides of each fuse holder.  Check for short to ground wherever there is no 
power.  Report back.

If there is no power with the fuses pulled, then you need to check the power 
feed to the fuse box.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 21, 2017 6:20:24 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top 
>row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side,
>all 
>have no juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for
>
>headlights and tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights 
>work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital 
>meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even 
>numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.
>
>Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.
>
>That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a 
>closed circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be 
>made by wiggling the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key 
>counterclockwise.
>
>The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.
>
>> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> March 21, 2017 at 4:51 PM
>> Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole lot worse on a 
>> newer vehicle.
>>
>> RB
>>
>>
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>> Curley McLain 
>> March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
>> Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical 
>> gremlins in the 240D (81)
>>
>> The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas)
>
>> not designed by MB/Bosch
>>
>> These circuits all went out at the same time:
>> Gas gauge
>> temp gauge
>> turn signals (4 ways work)
>> both window circuits
>> heater blower
>>
>> Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis 
>> grounds behind the cluster.
>>
>> It resulted in no change.
>>
>> I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good,
>I 
>> would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.
>>
>> Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits 
>> in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.
>>
>> I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my 
>> thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does 
>> not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

Try using a test light instead of a meter. Sometimes, a meter is 
sensitive enough to read proper voltage but there is not enough current 
to run anything.
I had that issue with a windshield washer pump in a Mercury Sable. It 
was an intermittent problem with the car. Sometimes no washer fluid 
would pump.
I traced the power back to the pump and it had good voltage so I assumed 
the pump had gone bad. Got a new one and installed it and it did not 
work either.
I mentioned it to my b-in-l who is a mechanic and he was the one who 
said not to use a meter on things like that. He said to use a test light 
and assume the voltage was good if the light was nice and bright. I 
started tracing wires again and the light would not come on down at the 
pump. There was  a relay in the fuse box under the hood that was 
involved.  After the relay there was no light but before it there was. 
There were 2 relays the same in the box so I swapped them and the pump 
worked. But so did the circuit that I had swapped the "bad" on into. I 
pulled the thing out and pushed it back in a couple of times and 
everything was back to normal. Contacts on the relay were just not 
making good contact I guess. No further problem with the circuits on 
either of those relays for the rest of the time we had the vehicle.


RB

On 21/03/2017 5:20 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top 
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, 
all have no juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them 
are for headlights and tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and 
taillights work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a 
good digital meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  
Bottom fuses (Even numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 
12.13V.


Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.

That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a 
closed circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be 
made by wiggling the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key 
counterclockwise.


The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 4:51 PM
Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole lot worse on a 
newer vehicle.


RB




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Curley McLain 
March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical 
gremlins in the 240D (81)


The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas) 
not designed by MB/Bosch


These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis 
grounds behind the cluster.


It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, 
I would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.


Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits 
in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.


I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my 
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere. It does 
not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.





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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

the GP light is an indication that you have GPs.  They are not related 
to mileage.  Beru have the reputation to last longer, but that is no 
guarantee.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 4:55 PM
The 350SDL started acting weird this morning….

No glow plug light when I went to start it up, or if it did come on it 
was only for a few seconds and I missed it. Ambient was maybe 50F, 
possibly a little warmer. About 5-10 minutes later as I’m driving down 
the street, the glow plug light comes on and stays on for a short 
time, then goes off.


Weird.

At lunch I went out and the light lit for maybe 5-10 seconds and went 
out. Again, it came on while I was driving a few minutes later for a 
short time and then went out.


Same thing on the drive home today.

As I look at the service manual, it says that one of the fault 
indicators is no preglow lamp at startup, then the light can light up 
for approximately one minute while driving. Fault: One or more glow 
plugs defective.


So I’m wondering if I’ve got a bad glow plug. I just swapped them all 
out less than 10k ago, probably even less than that.


But - there’s more…

The AC started acting up. Hot air, literally HOT air coming out of the 
vents. I checked the monovalve, it’s good. Checked the AC system, 
everything is good there as far as pressures and charge, but the low 
pressure line is not cold. High pressure is.


I put a clamp on the coolant line to the cabin to isolate the heater 
and drove the car. I can get duct temps down to about 70F and that’s 
it. Pressures are correct for the ambient temperature and humidity.


It’s almost like I was getting heat during cooling, but I’m not 
getting decent output from the system to begin with.


Both of these issues started at the same time. I can’t see how they’re 
related.


???

-D



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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top 
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, all 
have no juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for 
headlights and tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights 
work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital 
meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even 
numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.


Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.

That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a 
closed circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be 
made by wiggling the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key 
counterclockwise.


The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 4:51 PM
Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole lot worse on a 
newer vehicle.


RB




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Curley McLain 
March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical 
gremlins in the 240D (81)


The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas) 
not designed by MB/Bosch


These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis 
grounds behind the cluster.


It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I 
would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.


Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits 
in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.


I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my 
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does 
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[MBZ] Glow Plug Question / Weirdness

The 350SDL started acting weird this morning….

No glow plug light when I went to start it up, or if it did come on it was only 
for a few seconds and I missed it.  Ambient was maybe 50F, possibly a little 
warmer.  About 5-10 minutes later as I’m driving down the street, the glow plug 
light comes on and stays on for a short time, then goes off.

Weird.

At lunch I went out and the light lit for maybe 5-10 seconds and went out.  
Again, it came on while I was driving a few minutes later for a short time and 
then went out.

Same thing on the drive home today.

As I look at the service manual, it says that one of the fault indicators is no 
preglow lamp at startup, then the light can light up for approximately one 
minute while driving.  Fault: One or more glow plugs defective.

So I’m wondering if I’ve got a bad glow plug.  I just swapped them all out less 
than 10k ago, probably even less than that.

But - there’s more…

The AC started acting up.  Hot air, literally HOT air coming out of the vents.  
I checked the monovalve, it’s good.  Checked the AC system, everything is good 
there as far as pressures and charge, but the low pressure line is not cold.  
High pressure is.

I put a clamp on the coolant line to the cabin to isolate the heater and drove 
the car.  I can get duct temps down to about 70F and that’s it.  Pressures are 
correct for the ambient temperature and humidity.

It’s almost like I was getting heat during cooling, but I’m not getting decent 
output from the system to begin with.

Both of these issues started at the same time.  I can’t see how they’re related.

???

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole lot worse on a 
newer vehicle.


RB

On 21/03/2017 4:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical 
gremlins in the 240D (81)


The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas) 
not designed by MB/Bosch


These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis 
grounds behind the cluster.


It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I 
would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.


Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits 
in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.


I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my 
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does 
not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.




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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up


I would suspect they would say we are not trying hard enough.

RB

On 21/03/2017 4:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder what the message is if you drive a 20 or 30 year old Mercedes?
Gerry


Or if you "buy" a new Mercedes you are successful in life
--FT

Simple message:
You need to be successful in life so you can afford to buy a new
Mercedes.
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

2017-03-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

How about you and others on this list who drive Mercedes that are definitely 
"old"?
Gerry

> You're way past grown up
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 3/21/17 5:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > I wonder what the message is if you drive a 20 or 30 year old Mercedes?
> > Gerry
> >
> >> Or if you "buy" a new Mercedes you are successful in life
> >> --FT
> >>> Simple message:
> >>> You need to be successful in life so you can afford to buy a new
> >>> Mercedes.
> >>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

"You are a responsible adult, and have been for some time, and will 
continue to be."



archer75--- via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 4:16 PM
I wonder what the message is if you drive a 20 or 30 year old Mercedes?



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[MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical 
gremlins in the 240D (81)


The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas) 
not designed by MB/Bosch


These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis 
grounds behind the cluster.


It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I 
would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.


Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits in 
the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.


I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my 
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does not 
appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.




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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up


You're way past grown up

--FT


On 3/21/17 5:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder what the message is if you drive a 20 or 30 year old Mercedes?
Gerry


Or if you "buy" a new Mercedes you are successful in life
--FT

Simple message:
You need to be successful in life so you can afford to buy a new
Mercedes.
RB

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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

2017-03-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

I wonder what the message is if you drive a 20 or 30 year old Mercedes?
Gerry

> Or if you "buy" a new Mercedes you are successful in life
> --FT

> > Simple message:
> > You need to be successful in life so you can afford to buy a new 
> > Mercedes.
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Re: [MBZ] Test


Yep, ya failed!  but the email worked!


Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 3:06 PM
Yeah I failed. Screwed up my email.

Rick
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[MBZ] Test

2017-03-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Yeah I failed. Screwed up my email.

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Re: [MBZ] My $500 124 cabriolet project is finally home



True, BUT you would think that after he said he would do it, he would 
have at least given it a minimal cleanup, inside and out.


RB

On 21/03/2017 11:19 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

"As is".  I'd allowed the six months of storage pass, and then he could
have started charging me $30/day for about two weeks of storage, so if I'd
really insisted on him keeping his end of the bargain, I probably would
have paid about $450 for the detailing, which is not worth it to me.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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So, one thing that I am not clear on:
You said the vendor agreed to "detail" the car.
Did he actually clean it up, or just dump it on you "as is"?



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800


On 21/03/2017 11:42 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Craig wrote:
  
It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.
   

Curley wrote:
  
If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.

fmiser wrote:

It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
what I do.

Kaleb wrote:
Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts
under it.

Really?

I don't have a diesel 1/2 ton 2wd to compare, but the 4wd half
ton and the 2wd 3/4 ton that I can compare sure don't have the
same parts underneath.  The 3/4 ton has bigger brakes, bigger
springs, bigger differential, bigger wheels.

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If you really need the 3/4 ton, then you must work it pretty hard.
I had an 86 Chevy Suburban - 2WD 1/2 ton  with the last of the 4bbl 
350's and it served me well for the better part of 10 years.
The 700R4 transmission was trouble but most everything else was 
reasonably bullet proof. Some rust but I had it repaired and painted and 
it was still solid when I sold it.
I got $3300 for it around Christmas time in 2000 with about 200K miles 
on it. Engine did not use oil. Interior was still pretty decent. I had 
the front seat repadded but the upholstery was original.
Mine was a Silverado so decent trim level and 3 cloth bench seats. Red 
with the Cream stripe down the sides and a tan interior. Rear air which 
reminds me that the AC was troublesome too. I kept it going but spent a 
lot of cash doing so. The lines that fed the rear air were aluminum and 
road salt would eat them. After the 2nd replacement, I used rubber 
belting to make shields for them under the vehicle and sprayed them with 
oil each fall in an effort to prevent damage. Seemed to help as the last 
set was still in there when I sold it.


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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Mercedes benz 560 SEL (project)

Hey Kevin, what are your criteria for a 240 D - including budget limits?

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
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> I'm passing on this one. I would rather have a Dissel anyway. I want a
> nice 240D
>
> Sent from my cell
>
> > On Mar 21, 2017, at 7:07 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Collateral for a meth deal gone bad
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> >> On 3/21/17 7:25 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
> >> there must be a reason he's virtually giving it away. I would think it
> would be worth twice that much.
> >>
> >> LarryT
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 03/20/2017 3:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:45:08 -0700 Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
>  Should I check this out?
> 
>  https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/6051594306.html
>  Kevin
> >>> It sounds like a scam.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Mercedes benz 560 SEL (project)

2017-03-21 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

I'm passing on this one. I would rather have a Dissel anyway. I want a nice 
240D 

Sent from my cell   

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 7:07 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Collateral for a meth deal gone bad
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 3/21/17 7:25 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>> there must be a reason he's virtually giving it away. I would think it would 
>> be worth twice that much.
>> 
>> LarryT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 03/20/2017 3:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:45:08 -0700 Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Should I check this out?
 
 https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/6051594306.html
 Kevin
>>> It sounds like a scam.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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Re: [MBZ] For the pilots of the list

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:28:51 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Craig wrote:
> 
> > I have our system set up so it cannot contact facebook at all.
> > You can on a Windows sytem by editing
> > C:\WINDOWS/system32/drivers/etc/hosts
> 
> Or on a Debian type linux, in the file /etc/hosts.

Yes, that's where I did it on CentOS (Red Hat-type) Linux, but I figured
a lot more others use Winders.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

2017-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Is your half ton a diesel?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:42 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> Craig wrote:  
> 
> It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.  
> 
 Curley wrote:  
 
 If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.  
> 
>>> fmiser wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
>>> what I do.
> 
>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts
>> under it. 
> 
> Really?  
> 
> I don't have a diesel 1/2 ton 2wd to compare, but the 4wd half
> ton and the 2wd 3/4 ton that I can compare sure don't have the
> same parts underneath.  The 3/4 ton has bigger brakes, bigger
> springs, bigger differential, bigger wheels.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Milk

Way too subtle for a literal thinker such as me.  Rich needs a timeout for
going political again.

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> Andrew wrote:
> > I was referring to Rich Thomas' snide and gratuitous remark about fellow
> > travelers.
>
> Yes, Andrew.
> I had a stray thought about gallons of milk, so I asked, using your
> '50's comment.
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

2017-03-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

--FT wrote:
> Or if you "buy" a new Mercedes you are successful in life

successful = $$
too bad for today's minds.
$$ = debt, banks, slavery, etc.
...yeah, i'm on my funk...
tin.tin

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Re: [MBZ] The diesel wagon you have always wanted

I do appreciate the offer, but I really think I've got enough on my plate
right now, and so heeding the "suggestion" from the Central Committee is
probably the best course of action...  for a long life...  with all my
parts intact

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> Purchase, storage, engine swap, circumventing Central Committee Five-Year
> Planning
>
> Permission <--> Forgiveness, that sort of thing...
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 3/21/17 12:25 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> In what capacity?
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I might be able to assist...
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/21/17 2:03 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> Close.  I'd much rather have an OM603 turbo or even better the OM606
 turbo
 with an injection pump from a 3.5 liter OM603, but I'd take this one,
 for
 about $4k or so.

 No rusts!

 I've got a line on a nice white '94 wagon with engine problems, floated
 to
 SWMBO that I could probably pick it up for $500, swap in the engine from
 my
 '87 wagon, hint hint wink wink.  I don't think the Central Committee
 will
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Milk

2017-03-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Andrew wrote:
> I was referring to Rich Thomas' snide and gratuitous remark about fellow
> travelers.

Yes, Andrew.
I had a stray thought about gallons of milk, so I asked, using your
'50's comment.
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

> > > > Craig wrote:  
> > > >  
> > > > It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.  
  
> > > Curley wrote:  
> > >  
> > > If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.  

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for
> > what I do.

> Kaleb wrote:

> Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts
> under it. 

Really?  

I don't have a diesel 1/2 ton 2wd to compare, but the 4wd half
ton and the 2wd 3/4 ton that I can compare sure don't have the
same parts underneath.  The 3/4 ton has bigger brakes, bigger
springs, bigger differential, bigger wheels.

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Re: [MBZ] The diesel wagon you have always wanted

Purchase, storage, engine swap, circumventing Central Committee 
Five-Year Planning


Permission <--> Forgiveness, that sort of thing...

--FT


On 3/21/17 12:25 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

In what capacity?

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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I might be able to assist...

--FT



On 3/21/17 2:03 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:


Close.  I'd much rather have an OM603 turbo or even better the OM606 turbo
with an injection pump from a 3.5 liter OM603, but I'd take this one, for
about $4k or so.

No rusts!

I've got a line on a nice white '94 wagon with engine problems, floated to
SWMBO that I could probably pick it up for $500, swap in the engine from
my
'87 wagon, hint hint wink wink.  I don't think the Central Committee will
approve this one though...



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Re: [MBZ] The diesel wagon you have always wanted

In what capacity?

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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I might be able to assist...
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 3/21/17 2:03 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Close.  I'd much rather have an OM603 turbo or even better the OM606 turbo
>> with an injection pump from a 3.5 liter OM603, but I'd take this one, for
>> about $4k or so.
>>
>> No rusts!
>>
>> I've got a line on a nice white '94 wagon with engine problems, floated to
>> SWMBO that I could probably pick it up for $500, swap in the engine from
>> my
>> '87 wagon, hint hint wink wink.  I don't think the Central Committee will
>> approve this one though...
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sunday's 300SEL Fun

Thanks - the link jogged my memory.  Come to think of it, I also have one
of those tucked away somewhere...

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> We use it for grilling shrimp, too. Works great. Ours looks something like
> this:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/112327610830?lpid=82=ps;
> ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%
> 252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%
> 2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D53601919689_324272%
> 2526itemid%253D112327610830%2526targetid%253D73951648147%
> 2526rpc%253D0.06%2526rpc_upld_id%253D999%2526device%253Dt%
> 2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%
> 25252Flike%25252F112327610830%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%
> 25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9012098%
> 2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D239125209%2526adgroupid%253D14978428809%
> 2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-73951648147%2526gclid%
> 253DCLjvtsPf59ICFdgYgQods1IDPg%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-
> 37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1186857422251_noapp=true
>
> -D
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 21, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > I've seen those sold for grilling soft fish like haddock.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > To: Okie Benz 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sunday's 300SEL Fun
> >
> > I do mine on the gas grille.  I have a metal pan that’s got a ceramic
> coating and small holes punched in it.  Sort of like a heavy duty cookie
> sheet with perforations.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd love to cook this on the gas grille, but would need larger pieces
> so
> > > they don't fall through the grate.
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] My $500 124 cabriolet project is finally home

"As is".  I'd allowed the six months of storage pass, and then he could
have started charging me $30/day for about two weeks of storage, so if I'd
really insisted on him keeping his end of the bargain, I probably would
have paid about $450 for the detailing, which is not worth it to me.

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> So, one thing that I am not clear on:
> You said the vendor agreed to "detail" the car.
> Did he actually clean it up, or just dump it on you "as is"?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up


Or if you "buy" a new Mercedes you are successful in life

--FT


On 3/21/17 11:45 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 21/03/2017 9:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/these-new-mercedes-ads-seem-like-a-huge-cry-for-help-1793455526 





Simple message.

You need to be successful in life so you can afford to buy a new 
Mercedes.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] My $500 124 cabriolet project is finally home


So, one thing that I am not clear on:
You said the vendor agreed to "detail" the car.
Did he actually clean it up, or just dump it on you "as is"?

RB

On 20/03/2017 8:49 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

So now I have something to keep me out the streets.

I bought this car from a tow company that was selling it as abandoned
property.  Tow Co. had already gotten the title, so I've got a good title
for it.

Driver's side window was left rolled completely down for several years, so
the interior is just a little scruffy.  Someone tried to steal the car at
some point, so the ignition lock is messed up as well as the center console
which was torn into to get the transmission parking lock released.
-
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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up


On 21/03/2017 9:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/these-new-mercedes-ads-seem-like-a-huge-cry-for-help-1793455526 





Simple message.

You need to be successful in life so you can afford to buy a new Mercedes.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up

If only MB/MomBUSA would grow up and offer sturdy, reliable cars again; 
(in place of throw away electronic toys.)


Crap ads won't get me to buy a crap car.  (I realize the ads are not 
aimed at me)


I don't  recommend a new MB to anyone.



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[MBZ] OK guys it's time to grow up


https://jalopnik.com/these-new-mercedes-ads-seem-like-a-huge-cry-for-help-1793455526


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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Mercedes benz 560 SEL (project)


Collateral for a meth deal gone bad

--FT


On 3/21/17 7:25 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
there must be a reason he's virtually giving it away. I would think it 
would be worth twice that much.


LarryT


On 03/20/2017 3:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:45:08 -0700 Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
 wrote:


Should I check this out?

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/6051594306.html
Kevin

It sounds like a scam.


Craig

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] The diesel wagon you have always wanted


I might be able to assist...

--FT


On 3/21/17 2:03 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Close.  I'd much rather have an OM603 turbo or even better the OM606 turbo
with an injection pump from a 3.5 liter OM603, but I'd take this one, for
about $4k or so.

No rusts!

I've got a line on a nice white '94 wagon with engine problems, floated to
SWMBO that I could probably pick it up for $500, swap in the engine from my
'87 wagon, hint hint wink wink.  I don't think the Central Committee will
approve this one though...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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or petty,
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Re: [MBZ] Sunday's 300SEL Fun

2017-03-21 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

We use it for grilling shrimp, too. Works great. Ours looks something like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/112327610830?lpid=82=ps_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D53601919689_324272%2526itemid%253D112327610830%2526targetid%253D73951648147%2526rpc%253D0.06%2526rpc_upld_id%253D999%2526device%253Dt%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F112327610830%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9012098%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D239125209%2526adgroupid%253D14978428809%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-73951648147%2526gclid%253DCLjvtsPf59ICFdgYgQods1IDPg%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1186857422251_noapp=true

-D

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> On Mar 21, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I've seen those sold for grilling soft fish like haddock.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Okie Benz  
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sunday's 300SEL Fun
> 
> I do mine on the gas grille.  I have a metal pan that’s got a ceramic coating 
> and small holes punched in it.  Sort of like a heavy duty cookie sheet with 
> perforations.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I'd love to cook this on the gas grille, but would need larger pieces so
> > they don't fall through the grate.
> > 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sunday's 300SEL Fun

2017-03-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

I've seen those sold for grilling soft fish like haddock.
-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Okie Benz  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sunday's 300SEL Fun
   
I do mine on the gas grille.  I have a metal pan that’s got a ceramic coating 
and small holes punched in it.  Sort of like a heavy duty cookie sheet with 
perforations.

-D


> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd love to cook this on the gas grille, but would need larger pieces so
> they don't fall through the grate.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

Well with these the half ton is still got the 3/4 ton parts under it. 

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On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:15 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>>> Craig wrote:
> 
>>> It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.
> 
>> Curley wrote:
> 
>> If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.
> 
> It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for what I
> do.
> 
> No pictures of the engine compartment.
> 
> The glow plug system on these is not so great.  To increase the
> appeal to "normal" drives who can't bear the thought of waiting
> for a proper glow cycle, these shipped with "fast" glow plugs that
> will burn out and swell pretty easily.  So there is a controller
> that is supposed to keep the glow plugs from burning out.  
> 
> The best option is to replace the originals with AC60G, which is
> the appropriate voltage for the system - but it doesn't heat up as
> fast so the controller shuts it off early.
> 
> Best option, I think, is a manual button.  The controller can be
> easily modified to be triggered by a small, low current switch.
> 
> All that to say, "new glow plugs" may - or may not - be a feature.
> 
> It has the third seat, so will seat 8 adults.
> 
> New oil cooler lines is good.
> 
> The transmission is almost certainly a 700R4.  By '87 those are
> pretty good, but rarely last more than 150-200k miles.
> 
> Front end rebuild parts are worth at least $400.
> 
> Barn doors in the back.  That means there isn't an opening window,
> and they can bang into cars, trees, walls.  But also they operate
> a lot longer than a tailgate does after rust invades.
> 
> It looks like it has the rear air conditioner unit.
> 
> The 3rd seat appears to have the side seat belt buckle supports intact!
> 
> Looks pretty good - if a '1/2 ton is suitable.
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Mercedes benz 560 SEL (project)

It's not running, and a gas hog.  I wouldn't pay more than $500.  Can't verify 
engine, transmission, AC, suspension, so all those are considered suspect.
-- 
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 21, 2017 7:25:29 AM EDT, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>there must be a reason he's virtually giving it away. I would think it 
>would be worth twice that much.
>
>LarryT
>
>
>On 03/20/2017 3:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:45:08 -0700 Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Should I check this out?
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/6051594306.html
>>> Kevin
>> It sounds like a scam.
>>
>>
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Becker BE-1432

Larry,

Those "guys in New Jersey" are the Becker factory folks, Eddie and Tom. They 
run the remains of what was once Becker.

If you want them to treat you well, just mention that you're a friend of 
Jaime's. (grin)

It's possible the unit is borked, but before you pronounce it dead leave it 
powered up for a day or two and see if you can code it. If it fails when you 
try you have a couple of options:

If you know the vehicle's VIN that it came from, a dealer can give you the code.

With the serial number, the guys at Becker can give you the code. They might 
want to charge you, however. If you go this route, tell them you have a code 
for it and give it to them with the serial number. That way you can verify if 
it's the correct code or not.

I had a rebuilt 1492 from Becker that wouldn't code once. Eddie and Tom both 
went around and around with me on it until I sent it back to them to be sorted. 
Not sure what they did but it came back working with a new code.

-D

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I found wiring diagrams for the power wiring.  I plan to put 12v and a ground 
> on it and let it sit on my workbench for a while to see if the code input 
> screen pops up...
> 
> I sent a email to that place in NJ who advertises that they work on Becker, 
> etc.  He said, No problem, cost is about $200.   If they're honest, it might 
> be more than failed code inputs, if dishonest they might be it's a quick $200 
> for them.
> 
> Also, don't forget this is not the radio from my 91 300D, If the person I 
> bought it from had the correct code, I'm wondering who tried the wrong code 
> enough times to time out the input screen for between 1/2 and 1 hour while I 
> was involved doing other stuff?   Oh well, at this point I have nothing to 
> lose except the cost to find the correct code.
> 
> Thanks to all for the help -  I'll let ya'll know what happens.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 03/20/2017 7:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> He said he has the code.  He’s powered it up to find that it’s timing out 
>> from failed coding attempts.  They’re cumulative, so if someone tried it 4-5 
>> times it’s got to sit there powered up until the watchdog timer times out.  
>> Could easily be a day if they tried it enough times.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dealer will give you the code of you ask parts dept nicely.
>>> 
>>> 
>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Guys,
>> I bought a used Becker and when I powered it up all it does is flash 
>> "Wait".  I have the security code but it never asked for it.I put my 
>> old Becker back in and it performed normally - flashed "Wait" then asked 
>> for the code.
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Re: [MBZ] Becker BE-1432

Exactly. Buy I am gonna check put PeachParts to see what they say about
codes.

Thanks to all
Larry

On 03/21/2017 5:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

You’re totally missing what he said. He hasn’t been able to enter the code
since he got the radio because it’s timing out.

Now if it is, in fact, the wrong code, and he enters it when the radio finally
times out, it will go for an even longer period of time. But at least at that
point he’ll know he’s got the wrong code.

-D

On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

But if it's the wrong code

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote:
He said he has the code. He’s powered it up to find that it’s timing out from
failed coding attempts. They’re cumulative, so if someone tried it 4-5 times
it’s got to sit there powered up until the watchdog timer times out. Could
easily be a day if they tried it enough times.

-D

On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > wrote:

Dealer will give you the code of you ask parts dept nicely.

On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes >> wrote:

Hi Guys,
I bought a used Becker and when I powered it up all it does is flash "Wait". I have the
security code but it never asked for it.I put my old Becker back in and it performed normally -
flashed "Wait" then asked for the code.

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Re: [MBZ] Becker BE-1432

Thanks Max.   I'll see what happens after I put 12V to it for a while.  
Thanks again ;-)


Larry


On 03/21/2017 3:25 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Larry, I've found some codes are available online, for free, if you search.  I 
think I found them in the Peach Parts forum.


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Re: [MBZ] Becker BE-1432

I found wiring diagrams for the power wiring. I plan to put 12v and a
ground on it and let it sit on my workbench for a while to see if the
code input screen pops up...

I sent a email to that place in NJ who advertises that they work on
Becker, etc. He said, No problem, cost is about $200. If they're
honest, it might be more than failed code inputs, if dishonest they
might be it's a quick $200 for them.

Also, don't forget this is not the radio from my 91 300D, If the person
I bought it from had the correct code, I'm wondering who tried the wrong
code enough times to time out the input screen for between 1/2 and 1
hour while I was involved doing other stuff? Oh well, at this point I
have nothing to lose except the cost to find the correct code.

Thanks to all for the help - I'll let ya'll know what happens.

LarryT

On 03/20/2017 7:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

He said he has the code. He’s powered it up to find that it’s timing out from
failed coding attempts. They’re cumulative, so if someone tried it 4-5 times
it’s got to sit there powered up until the watchdog timer times out. Could
easily be a day if they tried it enough times.

-D

On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Dealer will give you the code of you ask parts dept nicely.

On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Mercedes benz 560 SEL (project)

there must be a reason he's virtually giving it away. I would think it 
would be worth twice that much.


LarryT


On 03/20/2017 3:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:45:08 -0700 Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
 wrote:


Should I check this out?

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/6051594306.html
Kevin

It sounds like a scam.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Sunday's 300SEL Fun

I do mine on the gas grille.  I have a metal pan that’s got a ceramic coating 
and small holes punched in it.  Sort of like a heavy duty cookie sheet with 
perforations.

-D


> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd love to cook this on the gas grille, but would need larger pieces so
> they don't fall through the grate.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Becker BE-1432

You’re totally missing what he said.  He hasn’t been able to enter the code 
since he got the radio because it’s timing out.

Now if it is, in fact, the wrong code, and he enters it when the radio finally 
times out, it will go for an even longer period of time. But at least at that 
point he’ll know he’s got the wrong code.

-D


> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> But if it's the wrong code
> 
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> He said he has the code.  He’s powered it up to find that it’s timing out 
> from failed coding attempts.  They’re cumulative, so if someone tried it 4-5 
> times it’s got to sit there powered up until the watchdog timer times out.  
> Could easily be a day if they tried it enough times.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  > > wrote:
> >
> > Dealer will give you the code of you ask parts dept nicely.
> >
> >
> 
> > >>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
> > >>>  
> > >>> >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Guys,
> > >>> I bought a used Becker and when I powered it up all it does is flash 
> > >>> "Wait".  I have the security code but it never asked for it.I put 
> > >>> my old Becker back in and it performed normally - flashed "Wait" then 
> > >>> asked for the code.
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Re: [MBZ] For the pilots of the list

> Craig wrote:

> I have our system set up so it cannot contact facebook at all.
> You can on a Windows sytem by editing
> C:\WINDOWS/system32/drivers/etc/hosts

Or on a Debian type linux, in the file /etc/hosts.


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Re: [MBZ] Becker BE-1432

Larry, I've found some codes are available online, for free, if you search.  I 
think I found them in the Peach Parts forum.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

> > Craig wrote:

> > It looks very nice. Fairly far south in Texas.

> Curley wrote:

> If I wanted one that would be the kind I'd look for.

It's a half-ton.  That's a pretty heavy mark against it for what I
do.

No pictures of the engine compartment.

The glow plug system on these is not so great.  To increase the
appeal to "normal" drives who can't bear the thought of waiting
for a proper glow cycle, these shipped with "fast" glow plugs that
will burn out and swell pretty easily.  So there is a controller
that is supposed to keep the glow plugs from burning out.  

The best option is to replace the originals with AC60G, which is
the appropriate voltage for the system - but it doesn't heat up as
fast so the controller shuts it off early.

Best option, I think, is a manual button.  The controller can be
easily modified to be triggered by a small, low current switch.

All that to say, "new glow plugs" may - or may not - be a feature.

It has the third seat, so will seat 8 adults.

New oil cooler lines is good.

The transmission is almost certainly a 700R4.  By '87 those are
pretty good, but rarely last more than 150-200k miles.

Front end rebuild parts are worth at least $400.

Barn doors in the back.  That means there isn't an opening window,
and they can bang into cars, trees, walls.  But also they operate
a lot longer than a tailgate does after rust invades.

It looks like it has the rear air conditioner unit.

The 3rd seat appears to have the side seat belt buckle supports intact!

Looks pretty good - if a '1/2 ton is suitable.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 6.2 Diesel GMC Suburban ONLY 3 owners $2800

> Andrew wrote:

> I thought the GM diesels of that vintage were problematic. At
> best.

Nope.  Very good engines.  Not like an OM617, but a dependable and
durable engine that pulls like a 350 cid small block with a 4
barrel - but gets more than 50% better fuel mileage.

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Re: [MBZ] The diesel wagon you have always wanted