Re: [MBZ] One or Two for Mr. Snook, Esq

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

At 6:51 AM + 10/27/17, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
>https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1976-mercedes-240d-4-speed/6340442485.html
> - Kleb lust


I have a '76 300D in Caledonia Green and live in Oakland CA.

I did an EMERGENCY u-turn when I saw this very car several months ago. Chatted 
with the owner/guardian briefly. He seemed to be a knowledgeable enthusiast and 
the car looked quite fantastic. I guess he moved north, which explains why I 
haven't seen it around since then. Not sure he will get that kind of money for 
it, esp since it is a 240D vs 300D. Still, it was a nice car!

D.

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Re: [MBZ] Banned?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Since 1987.  Still going like the energizer bunny!


Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
October 25, 2017 at 9:22 PM

Money Talk? With Bob Brinker? He's still around...?

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Banned?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Xurt!   I like that! BTW, I must have driven by every Mfgr or at 
least the dealers for every Mfgr of snow trail groomers in the past 
month.   They have 5 days of schnee up there this week/end.  Does 
Channel 12 in Rhinelander or Wis Pubic broad use your software?



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
October 25, 2017 at 5:44 PM
It really isn't though. I get along fine with most people, we're 
really not as divided as we're told we are. The best thing you can do 
for yourself is to stop watching the news.


Xurt



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Re: [MBZ] ATM fees

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hey!  ya got money in there!  Time ta buy another car from me!


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
October 25, 2017 at 2:27 PM
Anybody else noticed out of control atm fees lately? I will have to 
stop using them, just look at this fee. $4? Wow.





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Re: [MBZ] Banned?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Waytago!


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
October 25, 2017 at 12:58 PM
So I go to this public hearing last night, and signed up to speak.  
The MC is going through the list of people, I am maybe 5 or 6 on the 
list so he calls out Rich Thomas (Floyd's alter ego). I get up to go 
to the lectern, and some guy back in the audience behind me stands up 
and starts in about something.  I'm like WTF is this about.  So then 
the MC (whom I vaguely knew) asks the guy, excuse me, who are you?  
And the guy says Tom Richardson, why is this guy going up there, I 
want to speak.  So the MC says no, I called Rich Thomas and I say 
"That's me!" and the other guy is all confused.  So I make some remark 
about some alternate reality, paralllel universe, that is me dropped 
into the meeting blahblah, and everyone is laughing, the guy says yeah 
but I have hair!  and I say yeah but you're not nearly as handsome and 
we back and forth a minute trash talking like that.  Audience loved 
it.  I had them hooked!


The guy got his chance later, he was boring, umlike my testimony.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Banned?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

no, not everyone!  Just those who refuse to deal with reality are 
conflicted!



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
October 25, 2017 at 12:28 PM
Reminds me of the StarTrek episode with an alternative universe where
everyone is in constant conflict 24/7.

Oh wait - this is actually happening in the USA as I speak.


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Re: [MBZ] Banned?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

OK! You
 Banned(you on banned!)


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
October 25, 2017 at 10:00 AM
Someone send me an email on banned please.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Pahtz sources

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ja, Northlake is what i was trying to remember.  Danke!


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
October 24, 2017 at 9:36 PM
MB Northlake in Charlotte NC used to be good, haven't used them in 
awhile though. There's another in Atlanta that is competitive.


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Re: [MBZ] One or Two for Mr. Snook, Esq

[redghost--- via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/6359891197.html

And I just got message from the seller that the engine was replaced, so no rod 
bending

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Oct 26, 2017, at 10:49 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Being the slow season at work, I might be able to deliver.  Just need a 
> ticket back home.
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/mercedes-benz-300sdl-turbo/6357565125.html
>   - sdl
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1970-mercedes-220d/6360547039.html - 
> low mile claim
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1976-mercedes-240d-4-speed/6340442485.html
>  - Kleb lust
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1984-mercedes-benz-300d/6324990159.html
>  - On a Mission
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-benz-300d-1983-turbo/6354917650.html
>  - brown
> 
> I am not petite, so the criteria for selecting the above was “would I look 
> forward to driving this thing 70 miles home at the end of the day?"
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] One or Two for Mr. Snook, Esq

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Being the slow season at work, I might be able to deliver.  Just need a ticket 
back home.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/mercedes-benz-300sdl-turbo/6357565125.html
  - sdl

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1970-mercedes-220d/6360547039.html - 
low mile claim

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1976-mercedes-240d-4-speed/6340442485.html
 - Kleb lust

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1984-mercedes-benz-300d/6324990159.html
 - On a Mission

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/mercedes-benz-300d-1983-turbo/6354917650.html
 - brown

I am not petite, so the criteria for selecting the above was “would I look 
forward to driving this thing 70 miles home at the end of the day?"

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Advance Auto

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yeah. I used to be able to consistently find 33-40% off deal for Advance. Not 
anymore. They have tightened things up considerably.

Rick
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[MBZ] Advance Auto

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

OCTOBER ONLINE SALE Save 20% instantly when you use code EM207K 
 
in your cart, online only! Good till Oct 31

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[MBZ] For the God of Coleman

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

www.boredpanda.com/cute-hedgehog-azuki-camping

clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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[MBZ] found a drivetrain, rear roller blind, and AMG side skirts for Floyd's W210

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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have been there. I felt really dirty afterwards.

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You were at the Clinton liebury and massage parlor?
> 
> (BTW it does look like a doublewide on stilts down by the river)
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I was in Little Rock about 13 yrs ago for a job interview. I pulled into 
>> some cheap motel and asked for a room. The proprietor asked me if I’d like 
>> to see it and gave me the key. I walked in and a swarm of cockroaches dashed 
>> across the floor. I went back to the office and he asked me what I thought. 
>> I told him thanks but too many roaches. I then proceeded to the “best” hotel 
>> in town- a Hilton. Got a room, used the bathroom and to my disgust, realized 
>> that the walls smelled of fecal matter. 
>> 
>> That experience, coupled with all the political and other scandals that came 
>> out of that place made me vow to never go there again. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, but there is certainly room for 2-3 dead hookers, maybe more.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 Did it come with a dead body in the trunk?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Careful. That’s where my now former 350SDL came from.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You were at the Clinton liebury and massage parlor?

(BTW it does look like a doublewide on stilts down by the river)

--R
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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was in Little Rock about 13 yrs ago for a job interview. I pulled into some 
> cheap motel and asked for a room. The proprietor asked me if I’d like to see 
> it and gave me the key. I walked in and a swarm of cockroaches dashed across 
> the floor. I went back to the office and he asked me what I thought. I told 
> him thanks but too many roaches. I then proceeded to the “best” hotel in 
> town- a Hilton. Got a room, used the bathroom and to my disgust, realized 
> that the walls smelled of fecal matter. 
> 
> That experience, coupled with all the political and other scandals that came 
> out of that place made me vow to never go there again. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No, but there is certainly room for 2-3 dead hookers, maybe more.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did it come with a dead body in the trunk?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Careful. That’s where my now former 350SDL came from.
 
 -D
 
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It does not have air bag, it does not have heated and reclining rear seats, it 
appears to have zebrano wood instead of burl

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:28 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why do you think that it's a Euro model? Lack of memory seats and the head
> lights? Chrome wheels are trouble waiting to happen in my experience -
> chrome peels off then it won't hold air. If it has the Euro engine without
> US crap added, it could be a real sleeper.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 1986 Mercedes Benz SEL
>> 
>> https://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/d/1986-mercedes-benz-
>> sel/6359069250.html
>> 
>> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Why do you think that it's a Euro model? Lack of memory seats and the head
lights? Chrome wheels are trouble waiting to happen in my experience -
chrome peels off then it won't hold air. If it has the Euro engine without
US crap added, it could be a real sleeper.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1986 Mercedes Benz SEL
>
> https://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/d/1986-mercedes-benz-
> sel/6359069250.html
>
>
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I was in Little Rock about 13 yrs ago for a job interview. I pulled into some 
cheap motel and asked for a room. The proprietor asked me if I’d like to see it 
and gave me the key. I walked in and a swarm of cockroaches dashed across the 
floor. I went back to the office and he asked me what I thought. I told him 
thanks but too many roaches. I then proceeded to the “best” hotel in town- a 
Hilton. Got a room, used the bathroom and to my disgust, realized that the 
walls smelled of fecal matter. 

That experience, coupled with all the political and other scandals that came 
out of that place made me vow to never go there again. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No, but there is certainly room for 2-3 dead hookers, maybe more.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Did it come with a dead body in the trunk?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Careful. That’s where my now former 350SDL came from.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No, but there is certainly room for 2-3 dead hookers, maybe more.

-D


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Did it come with a dead body in the trunk?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Careful. That’s where my now former 350SDL came from.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Did it come with a dead body in the trunk?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Careful. That’s where my now former 350SDL came from.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing that comes out of Little Rock is worthwhile.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1986 Mercedes Benz SEL
>>> 
>>> https://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/d/1986-mercedes-benz-sel/6359069250.html
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Careful. That’s where my now former 350SDL came from.

-D


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nothing that comes out of Little Rock is worthwhile.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 1986 Mercedes Benz SEL
>> 
>> https://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/d/1986-mercedes-benz-sel/6359069250.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Click & Clack have Clunked

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Tom died in 2014, I think.  He hadn’t been on the show since maybe 2010 or 
2011, I believe.

And yes, since that time all of the shows they’ve aired have been “best of” 
sort of shows.  There hasn’t been a new show with the exception of the show 
that Ray did to honor Tom after his death that I know of.

The way it was played out was that Ray wasn’t going to make any more “best of” 
shows, which is why a lot of affiliates decided to drop the show.

-D


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One of them died a couple years ago, don't remember which one.  Rather quick 
> onset Alzhiemers.  They have been in re-runs since, and pulled the plug this 
> year.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> Light blue, buck naked as far as options, just a car that shouted, albeit 
> poorly, “Blah!”

Exact color, no options, 6-cyl, '75, 2-door that my mom bought.  We
drove it to the junk yard, rusted floorboard.  Great 6-cyl.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Click & Clack have Clunked

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

One of them died a couple years ago, don't remember which one.  Rather quick 
onset Alzhiemers.  They have been in re-runs since, and pulled the plug this 
year.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

My two W124s reliably cranked out 30-31 in town/short highway and 29-30 on the 
Interstate, lower if I drove fast.

The 5-cylinder version did better, I think, maybe 34-36.

Highest tank I ever had was 36 mpg, but I think that was with an improperly 
calibrated pump, it wasn't my regular station.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My diesel gets 40mpg on free waste oil.  AC BLOWS ICE COLD too, has the 
rare Zundfogle million-mile engine.


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On 10/26/17 2:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Just curious.

Thanks!

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Click & Clack have Clunked

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

They were reruns since Tommy died. Ray still has column in our paper

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Oct 26, 2017 3:26 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I thought they quit a long time ago
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just saw this after my local NPR station said they’re dropping Tom & Ray
> after this Saturday:
> >
> > https://current.org/2016/07/nprs-best-of-car-talk-will-
> end-in-september-2017/?wallit_nosession=1
> >
> > -D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Nothing that comes out of Little Rock is worthwhile.

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 1986 Mercedes Benz SEL
> 
> https://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/d/1986-mercedes-benz-sel/6359069250.html
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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Best I got out of a OM617 was 26 in the SD.  Not sure if the extra weight of a 
126 had much impact over a 123.


clay
 Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical 
minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the 
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the 
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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Especially since it has one of my oil filters.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a question for all of the former and present 300D owners here.  What’s 
> the best fuel mileage you ever got from the car?  I ask because over the 
> years I’ve seen some pretty wild claims about mileage for these cars, and the 
> very best I can ever recall getting in either a turbo or non-turbo was in the 
> mid to upper 20s, maybe 27-28 at the very, very best.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Looks pretty good to me.  Cali car makes it more specialer.  I could not make 
out paint issues.


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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
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> With my new job, I have a 130 mile commute (that's round trip) for work. I am 
> going to put my house up for sale and move to the new town.  But, that could 
> take a while. I'm considering finding another car that gets better mileage. 
> My current BMW gets 23 mpg. (the speed limit on the interstate is 75 so I 
> know I could drive slower and get 25. But, I'm thinking of a mid to full size 
> car that could get 28-30 mpg. It can't be too small. I'm 6'2" and 250. Any 
> thoughts? I'm thinking cheap because I want it to be relatively cheap so I 
> can pay cash.
> 
> So, one question is whether it even makes sense to get another car.  Is the 
> fuel savings going to be enough to justify a purchase?  I am starting to 
> think it isn't worth it and I just should try to make my move sooner.
> 
> Also, I found a 85 123 diesel here in McPherson.  
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-w123/6332448767.html
> 
> It looks pretty decent.  I think these only get about 25-26 mpg and with the 
> higher cost of diesel, it wouldn't pay off to buy it just for the mileage.   
> BUT, with only 160K miles. Is this cheap enough to buy and flip?  I could 
> still use it to commute even if the mileage isn't any better than my car.  It 
> looks like the paint isn't great.  I can't tell from the pictures.  With 
> 160,000 miles and less than ideal paint, what are these selling for?
> 
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[MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1986 Mercedes Benz SEL

https://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/d/1986-mercedes-benz-sel/6359069250.html


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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

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> On October 26, 2017 at 3:31 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't recall what color the one that we test drove was (maybe silver?) 
> but I do recall that it went like a scared cat. It had a small block V8 
> and no shortage of power for a car that size.Also was a 2dr with the 
> hatchback design that looked essentially like a 2dr with a trunk. The 
> back end of the body seemed a bit loose when one hit bumps. That hatch 
> meant for a big hole in the back when the hatch was open so it was a bit 
> flexible.

My sister had a '76 Omega hatchback. I don't think I ever rode in it though. 
I thought it looked better than the sedans, but the sedans were probably 
lighter and stronger.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I don't recall what color the one that we test drove was (maybe silver?) 
but I do recall that it went like a scared cat. It had a small block V8 
and no shortage of power for a car that size.Also was a 2dr with the 
hatchback design that looked essentially like a 2dr with a trunk. The 
back end of the body seemed a bit loose when one hit bumps. That hatch 
meant for a big hole in the back when the hatch was open so it was a bit 
flexible.


RB

On 26/10/2017 2:06 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Ours was dark blue metallic. Only option was wheel covers instead of hubcaps.
Didn't even have a radio. Dad immediately put a AM/FM/8 track in it with a 
couple of 6x9s in the back. Had to replace the rear springs when it was about 
four years old. Still a good running and relatively rust free car when he sold 
it around 1988/1989 with 144,000 miles on it.

Mitch.

On October 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:


There has never been a more plain Jane, generic car than the mid/late 70s four 
door Nova. Great aunt had one that my Dad got her from GM as a used program 
car. Light blue, buck naked as far as options, just a car that shouted, albeit 
poorly, “Blah!”

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Re: [MBZ] Click & Clack have Clunked

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I thought they quit a long time ago 

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just saw this after my local NPR station said they’re dropping Tom & Ray 
> after this Saturday:
> 
> https://current.org/2016/07/nprs-best-of-car-talk-will-end-in-september-2017/?wallit_nosession=1
> 
> -D
> 
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[MBZ] Click & Clack have Clunked

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just saw this after my local NPR station said they’re dropping Tom & Ray after 
this Saturday:

https://current.org/2016/07/nprs-best-of-car-talk-will-end-in-september-2017/?wallit_nosession=1

-D




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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Ours was dark blue metallic. Only option was wheel covers instead of hubcaps.
Didn't even have a radio. Dad immediately put a AM/FM/8 track in it with a 
couple of 6x9s in the back. Had to replace the rear springs when it was about 
four years old. Still a good running and relatively rust free car when he sold 
it around 1988/1989 with 144,000 miles on it. 

Mitch.
> On October 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> There has never been a more plain Jane, generic car than the mid/late 70s 
> four door Nova. Great aunt had one that my Dad got her from GM as a used 
> program car. Light blue, buck naked as far as options, just a car that 
> shouted, albeit poorly, “Blah!”

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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

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On 26/10/2017 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

There has never been a more plain Jane, generic car than the mid/late 70s four 
door Nova. Great aunt had one that my Dad got her from GM as a used program 
car. Light blue, buck naked as far as options, just a car that shouted, albeit 
poorly, “Blah!”

Like this:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4-tawo0BjVI/maxresdefault.jpg

-D


 The base interior was about the cheapest looking and feeling thing 
that I have ever encountered. We test drove a 77 Nova  and then bought a 
Mercury. The Chevy might have been a better car but blah!
Maybe GM's attempt to get everyone to upgrade to a more optioned car but 
the base model was a really base model.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There has never been a more plain Jane, generic car than the mid/late 70s four 
door Nova. Great aunt had one that my Dad got her from GM as a used program 
car. Light blue, buck naked as far as options, just a car that shouted, albeit 
poorly, “Blah!”

Like this:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4-tawo0BjVI/maxresdefault.jpg

-D


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 26, 2017 at 2:29 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 27 is pretty darn good for a car back in those days when they were new.
> 
> My dad's solution to high gas prices in '76 was a 1977 Chevy Nova. 
> Straight six, manual transmission, 22mpg hwy, nearly double what the F100 
> got, and at least 50% better than the big block wagon he traded on the Nova 
> (Chevy Kingswood). 
> I think I got around 24 in my 1977 Saab (4sp stick) and maybe closer to 30 in 
> my 1975 Civic (CVCC engine hampered by 2sp semiauto trans). The first car I 
> could reliably get over 30mpg in was a 4sp 4cyl 1980 Chevy Citation. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Differences would be encountered depending on temperature, speed, wind 
etc. Going down hill helps too. Best determination is long term 
averages. My worst tank was still over 15 mpg and my average was about 
21 mpg. That is where the diesel has an advantage - city driving. It 
uses very little fuel at idle.


RB

On 26/10/2017 1:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

That would be on a good day. I say 25 is going to be normal though.

Fuel economy.gov says 21 city 24 highway for a 84 300D

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wrote:

27/28 seems to be about the top end of the OM617 as far as I’ve experienced, 
and that’s with an automatic.  I would expect you could glean another 1-2 mpg 
with a stick and driving carefully, but beyond that I doubt one could obtain 
any better mileage.

Thanks, all!

-D



On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

On 26/10/2017 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would expect the 240s to do better, but I have never, ever in my life 
experienced any better than about 27-28 mpg with an OM617 turbo or NA engine.

Just curious.

Thanks!

-D



I used to track mileage on my 115 300D and the best I ever did was just under 
27 mpg (calculated in US gallons).

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

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> On October 26, 2017 at 2:29 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 27 is pretty darn good for a car back in those days when they were new.

My dad's solution to high gas prices in '76 was a 1977 Chevy Nova. 
Straight six, manual transmission, 22mpg hwy, nearly double what the F100 got, 
and at least 50% better than the big block wagon he traded on the Nova (Chevy 
Kingswood). 
I think I got around 24 in my 1977 Saab (4sp stick) and maybe closer to 30 in 
my 1975 Civic (CVCC engine hampered by 2sp semiauto trans). The first car I 
could reliably get over 30mpg in was a 4sp 4cyl 1980 Chevy Citation. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

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That would be on a good day. I say 25 is going to be normal though. 

Fuel economy.gov says 21 city 24 highway for a 84 300D

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 27/28 seems to be about the top end of the OM617 as far as I’ve experienced, 
> and that’s with an automatic.  I would expect you could glean another 1-2 mpg 
> with a stick and driving carefully, but beyond that I doubt one could obtain 
> any better mileage.
> 
> Thanks, all!
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 26/10/2017 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I would expect the 240s to do better, but I have never, ever in my life 
>>> experienced any better than about 27-28 mpg with an OM617 turbo or NA 
>>> engine.
>>> 
>>> Just curious.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>> I used to track mileage on my 115 300D and the best I ever did was just 
>> under 27 mpg (calculated in US gallons).
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Very true. In 1976, most American cars would have been real guzzlers.
My 86 Ford Taurus with a 3.0 would do close to 30 mpg on a good day but 
it was fuel injected and had an overdrive transmission and was no doubt 
more aerodynamic. A big improvement over the previous generations of 
American cars.


RB

On 26/10/2017 1:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

27 is pretty darn good for a car back in those days when they were new.

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On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:


On 26/10/2017 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
I would expect the 240s to do better, but I have never, ever in my life 
experienced any better than about 27-28 mpg with an OM617 turbo or NA engine.

Just curious.

Thanks!

-D



I used to track mileage on my 115 300D and the best I ever did was just under 
27 mpg (calculated in US gallons).

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

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27 is pretty darn good for a car back in those days when they were new.

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 26/10/2017 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would expect the 240s to do better, but I have never, ever in my life 
>> experienced any better than about 27-28 mpg with an OM617 turbo or NA engine.
>> 
>> Just curious.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
> I used to track mileage on my 115 300D and the best I ever did was just under 
> 27 mpg (calculated in US gallons).
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

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27/28 seems to be about the top end of the OM617 as far as I’ve experienced, 
and that’s with an automatic.  I would expect you could glean another 1-2 mpg 
with a stick and driving carefully, but beyond that I doubt one could obtain 
any better mileage.

Thanks, all!

-D


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 26/10/2017 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would expect the 240s to do better, but I have never, ever in my life 
>> experienced any better than about 27-28 mpg with an OM617 turbo or NA engine.
>> 
>> Just curious.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
> I used to track mileage on my 115 300D and the best I ever did was just under 
> 27 mpg (calculated in US gallons).
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/10/2017 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would expect the 240s to do better, but I have never, ever in my life 
experienced any better than about 27-28 mpg with an OM617 turbo or NA engine.

Just curious.

Thanks!

-D


I used to track mileage on my 115 300D and the best I ever did was just 
under 27 mpg (calculated in US gallons).


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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

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I can recall getting 27/28 or so in my '85 123 wagon, which was non-turbo
with a five-speed manual trans.  No AC, manual windows and sunroof.  I
might have gotten 30 mpg once or twice, maybe?  Hard to remember now.

My '85 190D with 2.2 and manual five-speed would typically get 35-42 mpg
and once I got 45 mpg when I kept the highway speed at about 60 mph.  That
was a very frugal car to own, but the interior was so darn cheap and crappy
and I sold it at the top of the market for $5500.

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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

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If Andrew has a 617 it won’t 

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Especially since it has one of my oil filters.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a question for all of the former and present 300D owners here.  What’s 
> the best fuel mileage you ever got from the car?  I ask because over the 
> years I’ve seen some pretty wild claims about mileage for these cars, and the 
> very best I can ever recall getting in either a turbo or non-turbo was in the 
> mid to upper 20s, maybe 27-28 at the very, very best.
> 
> Hey Andrew!  Keep an eye out for a black 1990 350SDL.  Maybe the guy who 
> bought mine will run into you and offer a spare fuel filter, since that’s the 
> only thing that would interchange from it onto your car...
> 
> He’s in Laurel, MD.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I bought my 85 300D with 138,000 for $3800 a couple of years ago.  I’m very 
>> happy with it. 
>> 
>> 
>> Michael E. Esh
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would expect the 240s to do better, but I have never, ever in my life 
experienced any better than about 27-28 mpg with an OM617 turbo or NA engine.

Just curious.

Thanks!

-D


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:08 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Dan wrote:
> 
> 
>> I have a question for all of the former and present 300D owners
>> here.  What’s the best fuel mileage you ever got from the car?
> 
>> ...the very best I can ever  recall getting in either a turbo or
>> non-turbo was in the mid to upper 20s, maybe 27-28 at the very,
>> very best.
> 
> I have a 240 manual transmission that has been getting 28 MPG for
> 15 years or so.  That's a bit better than the other 240s with
> manual transmissions.
> 
> The 300 turbo with automatic transmissions have gotten from 21 MPG
> to about 27 MPG.  Typical has been 24-25.  The one that got 27 has
> a possessed engine (weird problems, again and again), so maybe
> that had something to do with it.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:


> I have a question for all of the former and present 300D owners
> here.  What’s the best fuel mileage you ever got from the car?

> ...the very best I can ever  recall getting in either a turbo or
> non-turbo was in the mid to upper 20s, maybe 27-28 at the very,
> very best.

I have a 240 manual transmission that has been getting 28 MPG for
15 years or so.  That's a bit better than the other 240s with
manual transmissions.

The 300 turbo with automatic transmissions have gotten from 21 MPG
to about 27 MPG.  Typical has been 24-25.  The one that got 27 has
a possessed engine (weird problems, again and again), so maybe
that had something to do with it.

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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

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> > Donald wrote:
> >
> > With my new job, I have a 130 mile commute...

> Max wrote:
>
> finance a hybrid beater

A hybrid is a poor choice for a long highway commute.  More
complexity, heavy battery, and very little benefit.

> > So, one question is whether it even makes sense to get another
> > car.

More cars is always better.  Just ask Kaleb!

> > Is the fuel savings going to be enough to justify a
> > purchase?

Almost certainly not.  But the lack of wear on your "good" car
_may_ make it worth it.

> > Also, I found a 85 123 diesel here in McPherson.
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-benz- 
> > 300d-w123/6332448767.html

'85.  I don't like 'em.  Andrew does.

> > It looks pretty decent.  I think these only get about 25-26
> > mpg and with the higher cost of diesel, it wouldn't pay off to
> > buy it just for the mileage.

If you got a car that managed to get >50 MPG on the highway you
could save 2.5 gallons per day, or less than $10 per day.  Drive
it lots for a year and the fuel savings might amount to $3,000.
Add the cost of tax, license, insurance, etc.  

Looks to me like it would have to be a 50+ MPG car for less than
$2,000 to "make it pay for itself" in a year.  If there are other
reasons to have the car, (it's diesel, it's pleasant to drive,
status, keep miles off the BMW, avoid driving the BMW in the
salted snow,  it's more dependable than the BMW, etc)  then buy it
and enjoy. 

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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

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Especially since it has one of my oil filters.



I have a question for all of the former and present 300D owners here.  What’s 
the best fuel mileage you ever got from the car?  I ask because over the years 
I’ve seen some pretty wild claims about mileage for these cars, and the very 
best I can ever recall getting in either a turbo or non-turbo was in the mid to 
upper 20s, maybe 27-28 at the very, very best.

Hey Andrew!  Keep an eye out for a black 1990 350SDL.  Maybe the guy who bought 
mine will run into you and offer a spare fuel filter, since that’s the only 
thing that would interchange from it onto your car...

He’s in Laurel, MD.

-D


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought my 85 300D with 138,000 for $3800 a couple of years ago.  I’m very 
> happy with it. 
> 
> 
> Michael E. Esh
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Especially since it has one of my oil filters.



I have a question for all of the former and present 300D owners here.  What’s 
the best fuel mileage you ever got from the car?  I ask because over the years 
I’ve seen some pretty wild claims about mileage for these cars, and the very 
best I can ever recall getting in either a turbo or non-turbo was in the mid to 
upper 20s, maybe 27-28 at the very, very best.

Hey Andrew!  Keep an eye out for a black 1990 350SDL.  Maybe the guy who bought 
mine will run into you and offer a spare fuel filter, since that’s the only 
thing that would interchange from it onto your car...

He’s in Laurel, MD.

-D


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought my 85 300D with 138,000 for $3800 a couple of years ago.  I’m very 
> happy with it. 
> 
> 
> Michael E. Esh
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

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I bought my 85 300D with 138,000 for $3800 a couple of years ago.  I’m very 
happy with it. 


Michael E. Esh


> On Oct 26, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With my new job, I have a 130 mile commute (that's round trip) for work. I am 
> going to put my house up for sale and move to the new town.  But, that could 
> take a while. I'm considering finding another car that gets better mileage. 
> My current BMW gets 23 mpg. (the speed limit on the interstate is 75 so I 
> know I could drive slower and get 25. But, I'm thinking of a mid to full size 
> car that could get 28-30 mpg. It can't be too small. I'm 6'2" and 250. Any 
> thoughts? I'm thinking cheap because I want it to be relatively cheap so I 
> can pay cash.
> 
> So, one question is whether it even makes sense to get another car.  Is the 
> fuel savings going to be enough to justify a purchase?  I am starting to 
> think it isn't worth it and I just should try to make my move sooner.
> 
> Also, I found a 85 123 diesel here in McPherson.  
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-w123/6332448767.html
> 
> It looks pretty decent.  I think these only get about 25-26 mpg and with the 
> higher cost of diesel, it wouldn't pay off to buy it just for the mileage.   
> BUT, with only 160K miles. Is this cheap enough to buy and flip?  I could 
> still use it to commute even if the mileage isn't any better than my car.  It 
> looks like the paint isn't great.  I can't tell from the pictures.  With 
> 160,000 miles and less than ideal paint, what are these selling for?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Possible Project?

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> On October 26, 2017 at 11:41 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> Okay.  But, I was wondering is this one of those things that have to be 
> fixed?  

I think, but don't know, that the first generation 4matic was like ASR, if the 
computers can't control the differentials the car can send all the power to the 
wheel with the least traction. In other words, you might not notice it's 
missing until the first ice storm. 
If the car's local to you, drive it and see. But that "can't idle" problem may 
or may not be serious/expensive. 

Other ideas of a CoPart nature (unlike most of the east half of the country, it 
seems like virtually all the Kansas/Oklahoma cars are open to public bidding):

https://www.copart.com/lot/44925637 (If I bid $600 on it, I'd have to give 
CoPart a money order for $970 plus tax)
https://www.copart.com/lot/33349267
https://www.copart.com/lot/44746007 2010 E350
https://www.copart.com/lot/43606047 another E350, probably needs bodywork under 
the door
https://www.copart.com/lot/37531966 lots of room, but won't sell cheap
https://www.copart.com/lot/37111817 GL450
https://www.copart.com/lot/29880577 ML500 had an off road adventure, if 
'undercarriage damage' doesn't affect driving, I'd throw a $500 bid at it. 
https://www.copart.com/lot/37814797 ML350. Too bad MLs drink more gas than 
740BMWs. 
https://www.copart.com/lot/42111837
https://www.copart.com/lot/40624327
https://www.copart.com/lot/40563427
https://www.copart.com/lot/34343087 (damaged left rear suspension)
https://www.copart.com/lot/43542627 (magic marker vandalism)
https://www.copart.com/lot/42111837 (hood, grilles, maybe more)

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Re: [MBZ] Possible Project?

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On 26/10/2017 8:29 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:


Is it necessary to fix the 4-Matic?  What happens if it is driven a lot without 
it working.  Is it one of those things you can drive it anyway?

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1990-mercedes-benz-300te-4/6328624903.html

Don Snook

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No idea about Mercedes 4Matic but can relate some non personal 
experience with the late model all wheel drive Ford Taurus.
The transfer case type unit that feeds the rear differential is not 
considered a repairable item. Apparently there is no expectation that 
one will service it either so no lubricant changes are done.
One just buys a new one when it gives up. If driven hard, the case may 
crack and then it becomes junk.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Possible Project?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I don't know the answer to that.

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Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Okay.  But, I was wondering is this one of those things that have to be
> fixed?  For example, a car with ABS that isn't working can still be
> driven.  It just doesn't have ABS anymore.  Is the 4-Matic like that? In
> other words can it still be driven and it just won't have 4-matic
> capability.  OR, is like an AWD car that won't run or drive without the AWD.
>
> Don Snook
>
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Re: [MBZ] Possible Project?

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Having thoroughly researched 4Matic as it relates to both W124 and W210 
chassis’, I can tell you that the W210 chassis with 4Matic is very robust.  
Sadly, the sheet metal usually couldn’t handle the climates these were 
typically used in, so they rusted away, but if you can find a clean one there 
is nothing to fear.

The only real drawback I know of is increased expense with some suspension 
repairs such as front shocks.  A lot more labor involved to R&R the 4Matic 
versions.  That’s really about the only negative I could ever come up on them.

-D



> On Oct 26, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 26, 2017 at 9:42 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Looks like a money pit to me, but then I know very little about 4-matic
>> (aka $-matic).
>> 
>> My understanding is that the first generation was flawed and subject to
>> expensive breakdowns, but the second generation was pretty robust.
> 
> For a daily driver, get a 1998-2003.
> For a project/toy, figure out how to make the front axle go through a 
> OM603/OM606 oil pan and have fun converting it to diesel.
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Re: [MBZ] Possible Project?

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Max wrote:

"Looks like a money pit to me, but then I know very little about 4-matic (aka 
$-matic). My understanding is that the first generation was flawed and subject 
to expensive breakdowns, but the second generation was pretty robust."

Max also wrote:

"I "read on the internet" about a fellow who bought a $-matic wagon with that 
idea (tear out the $-matic part and install RWD diesel drive-train) and 
abandoned the idea after he realized the changes required to the front 
suspension."

Okay.  But, I was wondering is this one of those things that have to be fixed?  
For example, a car with ABS that isn't working can still be driven.  It just 
doesn't have ABS anymore.  Is the 4-Matic like that? In other words can it 
still be driven and it just won't have 4-matic capability.  OR, is like an AWD 
car that won't run or drive without the AWD.

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I paid about $1270 delivered for a deer damaged 2003 ML that needed a radiator, 
fender, fog light and headlight.
2000-2005 Prius are often cheaper on CoPart, but unless there's a good way to 
check the traction battery by computer, you have no idea if it's still a hybrid 
or just a gasser. Saw a 2005 Civic Hybrid go for $4xx plus fees this morning 
with mostly cosmetic front end damage. A 2005-2010 Malibu or Impala would be 
dirt cheap too, and roomier than a Prius or Civic. 
First generation Ford Escape Hybrids go dirt cheap too, but 28-30 hwy would be 
the best you could hope for from them. 
Mitch. 

> On October 26, 2017 at 9:50 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Buy it and flip it on auction site BaT (ask BaT Dan for details) and use
> the $$$ to finance a hybrid beater from auction site Copart (ask Mitch for
> details, better yet just commission him to find / buy one).  Easy peasy,
> next question?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > With my new job, I have a 130 mile commute (that's round trip) for work. I
> > am going to put my house up for sale and move to the new town.  But, that
> > could take a while. I'm considering finding another car that gets better
> > mileage. My current BMW gets 23 mpg. (the speed limit on the interstate is
> > 75 so I know I could drive slower and get 25. But, I'm thinking of a mid to
> > full size car that could get 28-30 mpg. It can't be too small. I'm 6'2" and
> > 250. Any thoughts? I'm thinking cheap because I want it to be relatively
> > cheap so I can pay cash.
> >
> > So, one question is whether it even makes sense to get another car.  Is
> > the fuel savings going to be enough to justify a purchase?  I am starting
> > to think it isn't worth it and I just should try to make my move sooner.
> >
> > Also, I found a 85 123 diesel here in McPherson.
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-benz-
> > 300d-w123/6332448767.html
> >
> > It looks pretty decent.  I think these only get about 25-26 mpg and with
> > the higher cost of diesel, it wouldn't pay off to buy it just for the
> > mileage.   BUT, with only 160K miles. Is this cheap enough to buy and
> > flip?  I could still use it to commute even if the mileage isn't any better
> > than my car.  It looks like the paint isn't great.  I can't tell from the
> > pictures.  With 160,000 miles and less than ideal paint, what are these
> > selling for?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If you fit in a 2nd Generation Cruze, I'll sell you a bright red 2016 with 
12,000 miles on it for $10k. You can give it to the daughter unit when you're 
done with it. 40+mpg possible at 75mph. Can be readily tuned to 210hp and 
270ft-lb. (153/177 stock)

Mitch. 

> On October 26, 2017 at 9:42 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> With my new job, I have a 130 mile commute (that's round trip) for work. I am 
> going to put my house up for sale and move to the new town.  But, that could 
> take a while. I'm considering finding another car that gets better mileage. 
> My current BMW gets 23 mpg. (the speed limit on the interstate is 75 so I 
> know I could drive slower and get 25. But, I'm thinking of a mid to full size 
> car that could get 28-30 mpg. It can't be too small. I'm 6'2" and 250. Any 
> thoughts? I'm thinking cheap because I want it to be relatively cheap so I 
> can pay cash.
> 
> So, one question is whether it even makes sense to get another car.  Is the 
> fuel savings going to be enough to justify a purchase?  I am starting to 
> think it isn't worth it and I just should try to make my move sooner.
> 
> Also, I found a 85 123 diesel here in McPherson.  
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-w123/6332448767.html
> 
> It looks pretty decent.  I think these only get about 25-26 mpg and with the 
> higher cost of diesel, it wouldn't pay off to buy it just for the mileage.   
> BUT, with only 160K miles. Is this cheap enough to buy and flip?  I could 
> still use it to commute even if the mileage isn't any better than my car.  It 
> looks like the paint isn't great.  I can't tell from the pictures.  With 
> 160,000 miles and less than ideal paint, what are these selling for?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Possible Project?

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> On October 26, 2017 at 9:42 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks like a money pit to me, but then I know very little about 4-matic
> (aka $-matic).
> 
> My understanding is that the first generation was flawed and subject to
> expensive breakdowns, but the second generation was pretty robust.

For a daily driver, get a 1998-2003.
For a project/toy, figure out how to make the front axle go through a 
OM603/OM606 oil pan and have fun converting it to diesel.

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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Have you driven a Passat? The TDI version should be good for high 40s mpg at 
those speeds while being quick and fun to drive.
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:42 AM, Donald Snook via 
Mercedes wrote:   With my new job, I have a 130 mile 
commute (that's round trip) for work. I am going to put my house up for sale 
and move to the new town.  But, that could take a while. I'm considering 
finding another car that gets better mileage. My current BMW gets 23 mpg. (the 
speed limit on the interstate is 75 so I know I could drive slower and get 25. 
But, I'm thinking of a mid to full size car that could get 28-30 mpg. It can't 
be too small. I'm 6'2" and 250. Any thoughts? I'm thinking cheap because I want 
it to be relatively cheap so I can pay cash.

So, one question is whether it even makes sense to get another car.  Is the 
fuel savings going to be enough to justify a purchase?  I am starting to think 
it isn't worth it and I just should try to make my move sooner.

Also, I found a 85 123 diesel here in McPherson.  
https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-w123/6332448767.html

It looks pretty decent.  I think these only get about 25-26 mpg and with the 
higher cost of diesel, it wouldn't pay off to buy it just for the mileage.  
BUT, with only 160K miles. Is this cheap enough to buy and flip?  I could still 
use it to commute even if the mileage isn't any better than my car.  It looks 
like the paint isn't great.  I can't tell from the pictures.  With 160,000 
miles and less than ideal paint, what are these selling for?

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Two Questions

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Buy it and flip it on auction site BaT (ask BaT Dan for details) and use
the $$$ to finance a hybrid beater from auction site Copart (ask Mitch for
details, better yet just commission him to find / buy one).  Easy peasy,
next question?

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On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> With my new job, I have a 130 mile commute (that's round trip) for work. I
> am going to put my house up for sale and move to the new town.  But, that
> could take a while. I'm considering finding another car that gets better
> mileage. My current BMW gets 23 mpg. (the speed limit on the interstate is
> 75 so I know I could drive slower and get 25. But, I'm thinking of a mid to
> full size car that could get 28-30 mpg. It can't be too small. I'm 6'2" and
> 250. Any thoughts? I'm thinking cheap because I want it to be relatively
> cheap so I can pay cash.
>
> So, one question is whether it even makes sense to get another car.  Is
> the fuel savings going to be enough to justify a purchase?  I am starting
> to think it isn't worth it and I just should try to make my move sooner.
>
> Also, I found a 85 123 diesel here in McPherson.
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-benz-
> 300d-w123/6332448767.html
>
> It looks pretty decent.  I think these only get about 25-26 mpg and with
> the higher cost of diesel, it wouldn't pay off to buy it just for the
> mileage.   BUT, with only 160K miles. Is this cheap enough to buy and
> flip?  I could still use it to commute even if the mileage isn't any better
> than my car.  It looks like the paint isn't great.  I can't tell from the
> pictures.  With 160,000 miles and less than ideal paint, what are these
> selling for?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Possible Project?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I "read on the internet" about a fellow who bought a $-matic wagon with
that idea (tear out the $-matic part and install RWD diesel drive-train)
and abandoned the idea after he realized the changes required to the front
suspension.

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On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> MAx needs that to put Wilton's engine in, white whale V2
>
> I don't know nuffin bout 4matics
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 10/26/17 9:29 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Haven't been on the digest in a while. I started my new job last month
>> and have been pretty busy.
>>
>> This wagon looks interesting.  But, I'm a little afraid of the 4-Matic
>> not working.  Also, it says it stalls at Idle.   Any ideas? Is this a money
>> pit project or is a possible easy fix on the stalling?
>>
>> Is it necessary to fix the 4-Matic?  What happens if it is driven a lot
>> without it working.  Is it one of those things you can drive it anyway?
>>
>> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1990-mercedes-benz-300t
>> e-4/6328624903.html
>>
>> Don Snook
>>
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[MBZ] Two Questions

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

With my new job, I have a 130 mile commute (that's round trip) for work. I am 
going to put my house up for sale and move to the new town.  But, that could 
take a while. I'm considering finding another car that gets better mileage. My 
current BMW gets 23 mpg. (the speed limit on the interstate is 75 so I know I 
could drive slower and get 25. But, I'm thinking of a mid to full size car that 
could get 28-30 mpg. It can't be too small. I'm 6'2" and 250. Any thoughts? I'm 
thinking cheap because I want it to be relatively cheap so I can pay cash.

So, one question is whether it even makes sense to get another car.  Is the 
fuel savings going to be enough to justify a purchase?  I am starting to think 
it isn't worth it and I just should try to make my move sooner.

Also, I found a 85 123 diesel here in McPherson.  
https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-benz-300d-w123/6332448767.html

It looks pretty decent.  I think these only get about 25-26 mpg and with the 
higher cost of diesel, it wouldn't pay off to buy it just for the mileage.   
BUT, with only 160K miles. Is this cheap enough to buy and flip?  I could still 
use it to commute even if the mileage isn't any better than my car.  It looks 
like the paint isn't great.  I can't tell from the pictures.  With 160,000 
miles and less than ideal paint, what are these selling for?

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Possible Project?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks like a money pit to me, but then I know very little about 4-matic
(aka $-matic).

My understanding is that the first generation was flawed and subject to
expensive breakdowns, but the second generation was pretty robust.

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Re: [MBZ] Possible Project?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

MAx needs that to put Wilton's engine in, white whale V2

I don't know nuffin bout 4matics

--FT


On 10/26/17 9:29 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

Haven't been on the digest in a while. I started my new job last month and have 
been pretty busy.

This wagon looks interesting.  But, I'm a little afraid of the 4-Matic not 
working.  Also, it says it stalls at Idle.   Any ideas? Is this a money pit 
project or is a possible easy fix on the stalling?

Is it necessary to fix the 4-Matic?  What happens if it is driven a lot without 
it working.  Is it one of those things you can drive it anyway?

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1990-mercedes-benz-300te-4/6328624903.html

Don Snook

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[MBZ] Possible Project?

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Haven't been on the digest in a while. I started my new job last month and have 
been pretty busy.

This wagon looks interesting.  But, I'm a little afraid of the 4-Matic not 
working.  Also, it says it stalls at Idle.   Any ideas? Is this a money pit 
project or is a possible easy fix on the stalling?

Is it necessary to fix the 4-Matic?  What happens if it is driven a lot without 
it working.  Is it one of those things you can drive it anyway?

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/1990-mercedes-benz-300te-4/6328624903.html

Don Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Double Vision

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else seeing double posts?
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Double Vision

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curt, 
I'm on Comcast and for some reason I always get double posts from you, only 
you, and I have the digest version of the list. I just figured you have a 
sticky keyboard :-)) 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Banned?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Still alive!  His commentary on the federal economic mess is usually
interesting, but his 3rd hour interviews with recent authors is the best
part of the show.

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On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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>
> Money Talk? With Bob Brinker? He's still around...?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Double Vision

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

About 2/3 of Xurt's posts come in pairs for me.
I'm often reading the first three words of a post, thinking 'I just read that', 
and deleting it.  
This one, I only got one copy. 
Mitch.

> On October 26, 2017 at 1:47 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Really? I wonder why.
> I removed your address from this post so only the list shows.
> I'm not seeing any double posts...
> -Curt
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 11:37:08 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 03:20:28 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Anyone else seeing double posts?
> 
> From Curt, yes, constantly. From others, no.
> 
> 
> Craig
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