Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 00:34:31 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I'm in Burbank, our office is right off the 5, just north of the 134.
> 

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/06/fire-map-southern-californias-big-four-blazes-including-new-one-in-bel-air/



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Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software (Curt Raymond)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah it's back here in Burbank too, I was just falling asleep when my phone 
went bonkers alerting me...

Curt

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  On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Karl Wittnebel wrote:  
 Wind is coming back up now in the sepulveda pass. We shall see if the belair 
fire jumps across the 405 tonight. That would be very bad. Winds are forecast 
25-70mph from the NE.
On Dec 6, 2017 5:12 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"  
wrote:

 I'm only temporary, we've got an office here I come to a couple times a year.
Looks like they're getting the creek fire under control, they've pulled back 
the warning zone, yesterday it was 3 blocks up, today it looks like its all the 
way to the base of the mountain. Having the wind die down has certainly helped.
-Curt

    On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 7:58:09 PM EST, as.thompson--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 Close! We’re practically neighbors.

Stay safe with those fires! Thomas Fire is moving toward me but still several 
miles away. I don’t want to go through that again - lost my home and everything 
in the 2008 Tea Fire.

Addison

On Dec 6, 2017, at 16:50, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software
Date: December 6, 2017 at 16:34:31 PST

I'm in Burbank, our office is right off the 5, just north of the 134.

-Curt


On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 7:15:05 PM EST, as.thompson--- via Mercedes 
 wrote: 

Curt,
Where are you located if you’re getting smoke from the Creek Fire? I’m almost 
completely IFR from the Thomas Fire smoke here in Santa Barbara.
Addison

On Dec 6, 2017, at 15:31, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

Remember with Fred it could be an Olde England expression.

-CurtNot in the Creek fire but I can see and smell the smoke.
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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

"What I've read is that the clutched pulleys can fail 
catastrophically,"   That is what bothers me. The existing system may 
rattle when the shock or the bearing are failing, but you never get 
stranded.  My daughter is commuting about 400 miles a week in a 30 yr 
old car with 300K miles.  Right now, I don't worry about it.  I service 
the car for part of the year, and she has 2-3 other resources when 
needed.  This spring I put a used tensioner bearing on it, and it is 
good again.   Maybe some year I will get a number for the replacement 
bearing and replace one or two, so I don't have to buy the assembly.




Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 6, 2017 at 9:52 PM
What I've read is that the clutched pulleys can fail catastrophically, 
so the belt comes off and no water pump etc. However, they do fail 
gracefully and give some warning.


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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

What I've read is that the clutched pulleys can fail catastrophically, so the 
belt comes off and no water pump etc.  However, they do fail gracefully and 
give some warning.

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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

in several hundred thousand miles with OM603, I've never had a tensioner 
die.  The shock goes bad and it gets rattly.  On 2 of 6 engines, I have 
replaced the tensioner bearing.   I think i have replaced 2 or 3 
shocks.  It is a minor service item.  These cars were 300k to over 400k, 
except the FL POS.  That is pretty good service, as designed.


the bearing gets loose about 300 to 350k.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 6, 2017 at 6:50 PM

If the belt tensioner dies, you lose your alternator, power steering, 
water pump and AC.
If the alternator one way clutch that you bought to extend the life of 
the belt tensioner dies, you lose your alternator.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software (Curt Raymond)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Wind is coming back up now in the sepulveda pass. We shall see if the
belair fire jumps across the 405 tonight. That would be very bad. Winds are
forecast 25-70mph from the NE.

On Dec 6, 2017 5:12 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

>  I'm only temporary, we've got an office here I come to a couple times a
> year.
> Looks like they're getting the creek fire under control, they've pulled
> back the warning zone, yesterday it was 3 blocks up, today it looks like
> its all the way to the base of the mountain. Having the wind die down has
> certainly helped.
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 7:58:09 PM EST, as.thompson--- via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Close! We’re practically neighbors.
>
> Stay safe with those fires! Thomas Fire is moving toward me but still
> several miles away. I don’t want to go through that again - lost my home
> and everything in the 2008 Tea Fire.
>
> Addison
>
> On Dec 6, 2017, at 16:50, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software
> Date: December 6, 2017 at 16:34:31 PST
>
> I'm in Burbank, our office is right off the 5, just north of the 134.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 7:15:05 PM EST, as.thompson--- via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
> Curt,
> Where are you located if you’re getting smoke from the Creek Fire? I’m
> almost completely IFR from the Thomas Fire smoke here in Santa Barbara.
> Addison
>
> On Dec 6, 2017, at 15:31, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software
>
> Remember with Fred it could be an Olde England expression.
>
> -CurtNot in the Creek fire but I can see and smell the smoke.
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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Just believin'.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My theory is that aluminum was misspelled when they (?) named it. It was
> supposed be alumium, following the spelling of other ium’s such as
> magnesium, cadmium, lithium, iridium, titanium, uraniumjust saying.
>
> Michael E. Esh
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On December 6, 2017 at 3:31 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Make up your mind.  Aluminum or aluminium.  Can't have it both ways.
> >>
> >
> > I always used to smile when Jeremy Clarkson said Aluminium.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] E320 winter beater?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'm thinking somewhere between $500 and $1000.
You might want to try the connector before the conductor plate. It's cheap and 
can be replaced from outside the transmission. 
https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/83144/Auto-Trans-Plug-Adapter-2035400253G/
Dorman has a cheap conductor plate that comes with connector included, but I 
don't know what the quality is like

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[MBZ] E320 winter beater?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

So the Frankenheap is, I think, terminally rusty.  I had bought a floor pan
and rail for one side, and when I pulled the seat to have a look at what it
would take to install I was completely disheartened.  The pan doesn't
include any of the bracing and reinforcements, which are all shot too.
Looks like a too-big project, for too little return.  An engine transplant
into the other body is a lot of work, and it's rusty too and would need
repairs first.  I'm tired just thinking about it.  So... this is available
locally:

2001 Mercedes e320 4matic in nice condition but...it has transmission
issues...the car does go in gear and drives but sometimes it won't go in
gear...goes in limp mode, it does need transmission service done for sure
and probably needs conductor plate...

$1000 asking, 240kmi, purple paint.  Pictures look OK, for whatever that's
worth.

Thoughts?

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

My theory is that aluminum was misspelled when they (?) named it. It was 
supposed be alumium, following the spelling of other ium’s such as magnesium, 
cadmium, lithium, iridium, titanium, uraniumjust saying. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 6, 2017 at 3:31 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Make up your mind.  Aluminum or aluminium.  Can't have it both ways.
>> 
> 
> I always used to smile when Jeremy Clarkson said Aluminium. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software (Curt Raymond)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Randy is in Goleta.  He hasn’t had a physical (business) presence there for 
some time, just online.

-D
 
> On Dec 6, 2017, at 8:46 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Addison wrote:
>> Where are you located if you’re getting smoke from the Creek Fire? I’m 
>> almost completely IFR from the Thomas Fire smoke here in Santa Barbara.
> 
> Santa Barbara - do you know Randy Steele? European Parts Specialists
> Santa Barbara mercedeslist
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] Question for cpap users

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

I use the older Swift system, but I don't use the hose clamp.  I prefer to
let the hose rotate wherever.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 6:46 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I use the Brevida.
> It's minimalist, but the head strap is a bit too minimal for me, I knock
> it loose a lot more often than I do my over the nose mask.
> A couple of weeks after I got my Brevida, I went back to the Eson.
>
> Somebody else, maybe MMM, uses a different one that holds the hose in
> place and runs it up between your eyes, that one looks heavier but more
> secure.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software (Curt Raymond)

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Addison wrote:
> Where are you located if you’re getting smoke from the Creek Fire? I’m almost 
> completely IFR from the Thomas Fire smoke here in Santa Barbara.

Santa Barbara - do you know Randy Steele? European Parts Specialists
Santa Barbara mercedeslist
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software (Curt Raymond)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'm only temporary, we've got an office here I come to a couple times a year.
Looks like they're getting the creek fire under control, they've pulled back 
the warning zone, yesterday it was 3 blocks up, today it looks like its all the 
way to the base of the mountain. Having the wind die down has certainly helped.
-Curt

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 7:58:09 PM EST, as.thompson--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Close! We’re practically neighbors. 

Stay safe with those fires! Thomas Fire is moving toward me but still several 
miles away. I don’t want to go through that again - lost my home and everything 
in the 2008 Tea Fire.

Addison

On Dec 6, 2017, at 16:50, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software
Date: December 6, 2017 at 16:34:31 PST

I'm in Burbank, our office is right off the 5, just north of the 134.

-Curt


On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 7:15:05 PM EST, as.thompson--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

Curt,
Where are you located if you’re getting smoke from the Creek Fire? I’m almost 
completely IFR from the Thomas Fire smoke here in Santa Barbara.
Addison

On Dec 6, 2017, at 15:31, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

Remember with Fred it could be an Olde England expression.

-CurtNot in the Creek fire but I can see and smell the smoke.
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Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software (Curt Raymond)

[as.thompson--- via Mercedes]

Close! We’re practically neighbors. 

Stay safe with those fires! Thomas Fire is moving toward me but still several 
miles away. I don’t want to go through that again - lost my home and everything 
in the 2008 Tea Fire.

Addison

On Dec 6, 2017, at 16:50, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software
Date: December 6, 2017 at 16:34:31 PST

I'm in Burbank, our office is right off the 5, just north of the 134.

-Curt


On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 7:15:05 PM EST, as.thompson--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

Curt,
Where are you located if you’re getting smoke from the Creek Fire? I’m almost 
completely IFR from the Thomas Fire smoke here in Santa Barbara.
Addison

On Dec 6, 2017, at 15:31, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

Remember with Fred it could be an Olde England expression.

-CurtNot in the Creek fire but I can see and smell the smoke.
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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 6, 2017 at 7:07 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> Um, water pump driven by belt?
> 

If the belt tensioner dies, you lose your alternator, power steering, water 
pump and AC. 
If the alternator one way clutch that you bought to extend the life of the belt 
tensioner dies, you lose your alternator. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Question for cpap users

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I use the Brevida. 
It's minimalist, but the head strap is a bit too minimal for me, I knock it 
loose a lot more often than I do my over the nose mask. 
A couple of weeks after I got my Brevida, I went back to the Eson. 

Somebody else, maybe MMM, uses a different one that holds the hose in place and 
runs it up between your eyes, that one looks heavier but more secure. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT California fires, was: Olde Netware software

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm in Burbank, our office is right off the 5, just north of the 134.


-Curt
 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 7:15:05 PM EST, as.thompson--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt,
Where are you located if you’re getting smoke from the Creek Fire? I’m almost 
completely IFR from the Thomas Fire smoke here in Santa Barbara.
Addison

On Dec 6, 2017, at 15:31, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

Remember with Fred it could be an Olde England expression.

-CurtNot in the Creek fire but I can see and smell the smoke.
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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Understood.  “Running backwards” was an oversimplification on my part.  More 
like allowing the accessory drive to deal with the amplitude of the pulses that 
occur due to slowing and speeding of the crank.

Thanks!

-D


> On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:51:31 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> So help me understand the concept:
>> 
>> As I understand it, the clutched pulley has a one-way sprag clutch in
>> it so that if the belt turns backwards it can freewheel?
> 
> No, the belt does not turn backwards, it only slows down. An upgraded
> alternator with a higher moment of inertia, which doesn't want to slow
> down, can continue rotating at the same speed until the engine (and thus
> the serpentine belt) can catch up.
> 
> 
>> As the pulses that are induced into the accessory drives from the crank
>> pulley (as the crank slows down and speeds up with the piston movement)
>> occur, the pulley essentially dampens them by letting the pulley
>> freewheel when the crank slows down.
>> 
>> Is this right?
> 
> Yes, but I would word it as,
> 
> As the pulses that are induced into the accessory drives from the crank
> pulley (as the crank slows down and speeds up with the piston movement)
> occur, the pulley essentially allows them to happen by letting the
> alternator (or maybe power steering pump, whatever) freewheel when the
> crank slows down.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software (Curt Raymond)

[as.thompson--- via Mercedes]

Curt,
Where are you located if you’re getting smoke from the Creek Fire? I’m almost 
completely IFR from the Thomas Fire smoke here in Santa Barbara.
Addison

On Dec 6, 2017, at 15:31, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

Remember with Fred it could be an Olde England expression.

-CurtNot in the Creek fire but I can see and smell the smoke.
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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Failure of the clutch usually means the alternator just freewheels...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 7:07:22 PM EST, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Mitch.

Um, water pump driven by belt?


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood


> On December 6, 2017 at 4:48 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
>
> ok, convince us!    Personally i don't mind replacing the little shock
> every 5 yrs or so, as it is easy to change.  To me that is better than
> adding a pulley that only lasts a couple years and can leave you
> F.O.R.D.  Even if you add in a belt every 4 yrs or so, it is still more
> reliable in the long run than a rattle pulley that is known to fail
> frequently.

If you're always within an hour of home, having the charge failure light come 
on shouldn't strand you. You just turn off the HVAC fan and head for home.
Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:51:31 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So help me understand the concept:
> 
> As I understand it, the clutched pulley has a one-way sprag clutch in
> it so that if the belt turns backwards it can freewheel?

No, the belt does not turn backwards, it only slows down. An upgraded
alternator with a higher moment of inertia, which doesn't want to slow
down, can continue rotating at the same speed until the engine (and thus
the serpentine belt) can catch up.


> As the pulses that are induced into the accessory drives from the crank
> pulley (as the crank slows down and speeds up with the piston movement)
> occur, the pulley essentially dampens them by letting the pulley
> freewheel when the crank slows down.
> 
> Is this right?

Yes, but I would word it as,

As the pulses that are induced into the accessory drives from the crank
pulley (as the crank slows down and speeds up with the piston movement)
occur, the pulley essentially allows them to happen by letting the
alternator (or maybe power steering pump, whatever) freewheel when the
crank slows down.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Mitch.

Um, water pump driven by belt?


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From: Mercedes  on behalf of Mitch Haley via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 06 December 2017 18:49
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Mitch Haley
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood


> On December 6, 2017 at 4:48 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
>
> ok, convince us! Personally i don't mind replacing the little shock
> every 5 yrs or so, as it is easy to change.   To me that is better than
> adding a pulley that only lasts a couple years and can leave you
> F.O.R.D.  Even if you add in a belt every 4 yrs or so, it is still more
> reliable in the long run than a rattle pulley that is known to fail
> frequently.

If you're always within an hour of home, having the charge failure light come 
on shouldn't strand you. You just turn off the HVAC fan and head for home.
Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think your opinion of the clutch is pessimistic. Failure mode for those is 
probably about the same as the alternator. In fact when I replaced the 
alternator on my Jetta it appeared that the alternator was original, I love the 
clutch to the new one. Sprag clutches are pretty simple and robust.

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 4:49:02 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 ok, convince us!    Personally i don't mind replacing the little shock 
every 5 yrs or so, as it is easy to change.  To me that is better than 
adding a pulley that only lasts a couple years and can leave you  
F.O.R.D.  Even if you add in a belt every 4 yrs or so, it is still more 
reliable in the long run than a rattle pulley that is known to fail 
frequently.

> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> December 6, 2017 at 3:34 PM
> Yesterday the Ina clutch alternator pulley arrived, the tool arrived 
> Monday, so maybe this weekend I can install. The outside diameter of 
> the pulley wheel is the same as my stock alternator, so I don't need a 
> different serpentine belt.
>
> I'm planning to make before / after videos to demonstrate the improvement.

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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here’s the deal for W123s and other similar vintage MBs:

Stamped steel wheel + aluminum wheel cover

Forged aluminum wheel (same design as the steel wheel) + aluminum wheel cover

Bundt alloy wheel

The forged aluminum wheels were pretty rare in the US, but more common in 
Europe, I believe.  In some cases the aluminum wheels could be larger as far as 
width to accommodate a larger profile tire.

-D


> On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 6, 2017 at 3:31 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Make up your mind.  Aluminum or aluminium.  Can't have it both ways.
>> 
> 
> I always used to smile when Jeremy Clarkson said Aluminium. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So help me understand the concept:

As I understand it, the clutched pulley has a one-way sprag clutch in it so 
that if the belt turns backwards it can freewheel?  As the pulses that are 
induced into the accessory drives from the crank pulley (as the crank slows 
down and speeds up with the piston movement) occur, the pulley essentially 
dampens them by letting the pulley freewheel when the crank slows down.

Is this right?

-D


> On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yesterday the Ina clutch alternator pulley arrived, the tool arrived Monday, 
> so maybe this weekend I can install.  The outside diameter of the pulley 
> wheel is the same as my stock alternator, so I don't need a different 
> serpentine belt.
> 
> I'm planning to make before / after videos to demonstrate the improvement.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 6, 2017 at 4:48 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> ok, convince us! Personally i don't mind replacing the little shock 
> every 5 yrs or so, as it is easy to change.   To me that is better than 
> adding a pulley that only lasts a couple years and can leave you  
> F.O.R.D.  Even if you add in a belt every 4 yrs or so, it is still more 
> reliable in the long run than a rattle pulley that is known to fail 
> frequently.

If you're always within an hour of home, having the charge failure light come 
on shouldn't strand you. You just turn off the HVAC fan and head for home. 
Mitch.

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[MBZ] Question for cpap users

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If you use nasal pillow, which one do you use? Anybody used any of the 
dreamwear masks? I tried the regular one and it leaked too bad for me. My 
supplier does not carry the nasal pillow version of and am thinking about 
ordering one from amazon.

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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

May take years.  Don't forget the tensioner pulley / lever assembly that wears 
out along with the little shock.

I've had a dual circuit steering / ASD pump fail with a broken mount, Larry 
recently had the same failure with a normal power steering pump.  This change 
may also reduce the frequency of that brake.

It's a trade off.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 6, 2017 4:48:49 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>ok, convince us! Personally i don't mind replacing the little shock
>
>every 5 yrs or so, as it is easy to change.   To me that is better than
>
>adding a pulley that only lasts a couple years and can leave you  
>F.O.R.D.  Even if you add in a belt every 4 yrs or so, it is still more
>
>reliable in the long run than a rattle pulley that is known to fail 
>frequently.
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> December 6, 2017 at 3:34 PM
>> Yesterday the Ina clutch alternator pulley arrived, the tool arrived 
>> Monday, so maybe this weekend I can install. The outside diameter of 
>> the pulley wheel is the same as my stock alternator, so I don't need
>a 
>> different serpentine belt.
>>
>> I'm planning to make before / after videos to demonstrate the
>improvement.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 6, 2017 at 3:31 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Make up your mind.  Aluminum or aluminium.  Can't have it both ways.
> 

I always used to smile when Jeremy Clarkson said Aluminium. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

ok, convince us! Personally i don't mind replacing the little shock 
every 5 yrs or so, as it is easy to change.   To me that is better than 
adding a pulley that only lasts a couple years and can leave you  
F.O.R.D.  Even if you add in a belt every 4 yrs or so, it is still more 
reliable in the long run than a rattle pulley that is known to fail 
frequently.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 6, 2017 at 3:34 PM
Yesterday the Ina clutch alternator pulley arrived, the tool arrived 
Monday, so maybe this weekend I can install. The outside diameter of 
the pulley wheel is the same as my stock alternator, so I don't need a 
different serpentine belt.


I'm planning to make before / after videos to demonstrate the improvement.


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Re: [MBZ] Rattle rattle rattle under the hood

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yesterday the Ina clutch alternator pulley arrived, the tool arrived Monday, so 
maybe this weekend I can install.  The outside diameter of the pulley wheel is 
the same as my stock alternator, so I don't need a different serpentine belt.

I'm planning to make before / after videos to demonstrate the improvement.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Remember with Fred it could be an Olde England expression.

-CurtNot in the Creek fire but I can see and smell the smoke.
 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 2:29:38 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 I  honestly did not know this.  Must be a New England expression that
doesn't apply to anyone who grew up in a big city apartment lacking stairs.


On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew, et all-'o ya.
>
> Glory hole is an untidy and catch-all storage place, usually under the
> stairs. Think Harry Potter.
>
> Sorry, not at all salacious.
>
> Fred.
>
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> Sent: 06 December 2017 14:09
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel; Fred Moir
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software
>
> Fred, you continue to amaze.  I barely understand the meaning of "glory
> hole" without the quotation marks.  Please enlighten me.  If it's too
> embarrassing reply privately.
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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Are the wheels the same such that the caps are the same and fit either 
the steel or aluminum wheels?
Do the serated things that hold the caps on to the wheels scrape up the 
aluminum wheels more than the steel ones?


RB

On 06/12/2017 9:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Late 240Ds had aluminum alloy wheels that also used caps. They were noticably 
lighter than the steelies...

Curt




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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Make up your mind.  Aluminum or aluminium.  Can't have it both ways.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> fmiser wrote:
> > Michael actually asked for hubcaps for _aluminum_ wheels.
>
> Don't W123 have aluminum with hubcaps?  The '81 3-pedal 240D had
> hubcaps and aluminum wheels.
> tin.man - not aluminium...
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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

fmiser wrote:
> Michael actually asked for hubcaps for _aluminum_ wheels.

Don't W123 have aluminum with hubcaps?  The '81 3-pedal 240D had
hubcaps and aluminum wheels.
tin.man - not aluminium...

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Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I  honestly did not know this.  Must be a New England expression that
doesn't apply to anyone who grew up in a big city apartment lacking stairs.


On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew, et all-'o ya.
>
> Glory hole is an untidy and catch-all storage place, usually under the
> stairs. Think Harry Potter.
>
> Sorry, not at all salacious.
>
> Fred.
>
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> Sent: 06 December 2017 14:09
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel; Fred Moir
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software
>
> Fred, you continue to amaze.  I barely understand the meaning of "glory
> hole" without the quotation marks.  Please enlighten me.  If it's too
> embarrassing reply privately.
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Re: [MBZ] CL Photog of the day/week

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks alike a sharp discount for a formerly $100k car.  Wonder what's
broken?

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/2000-mercedes-s500-4
> door/6386670621.html
>
> --FT
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew, et all-'o ya.

Glory hole is an untidy and catch-all storage place, usually under the stairs. 
Think Harry Potter.

Sorry, not at all salacious.

Fred.



Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel 
via Mercedes 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel; Fred Moir
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

Fred, you continue to amaze.  I barely understand the meaning of "glory
hole" without the quotation marks.  Please enlighten me.  If it's too
embarrassing reply privately.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Fred, you continue to amaze.  I barely understand the meaning of "glory
hole" without the quotation marks.  Please enlighten me.  If it's too
embarrassing reply privately.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Alles.
>
> Whilst shovelling out my "glory hole", some old versions of netware server
> software, v2.15, v3.12 and v4.1 have surfaced.
>
> Any use to anyone?
>
> Lemme know, junk otherwise.
>
> Fred.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
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[MBZ] OT Olde Netware software

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.

Whilst shovelling out my "glory hole", some old versions of netware server 
software, v2.15, v3.12 and v4.1 have surfaced.

Any use to anyone?

Lemme know, junk otherwise.

Fred.


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Re: [MBZ] The AC does not work, but the heat does

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

This one sold already, was it the $1500 2001 ML?
Mitch. 
> On December 5, 2017 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mitch territory
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-ml-320/6370417055.html
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Hi, my name is Max, and I have a problem..

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Worse, I even had an RMA from Rusty, written on the invoice, so I could send 
boot kit back for a refund.  Don't tell my SWMBO...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 6, 2017 9:44:18 AM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Yeah he did get around to dealing with that boot from 2002, it only
>took 
>15 years but hey it is done!
>
>--R
>
>
>On 12/5/17 10:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Max Sez :
>>
>>> ‎I'm a hoarder.
>> Welcome to the club. At least you're not a chronic procrastinator.
>>
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Late 240Ds had aluminum alloy wheels that also used caps. They were noticably 
lighter than the steelies...

Curt

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  On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:53 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:   > > Michael  wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone have a set of hubcaps for 14” aluminum wheels in
> > champagne?

> Russ wrote:
>
> Just checked and I do have a complete set they came with my
> Champagne 240D. Original owner had put Bunts on the car. Gave me
> the steel rims and caps

Michael actually asked for hubcaps for _aluminum_ wheels.  The
only aluminum wheels I'm familiar with are commonly called
"bunts".  I'm also not aware of any hubcaps for those.

Is there a different aluminum wheel?

Or did Michael really mean "steel"?

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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Late 240Ds had aluminum alloy wheels that also used caps. They were noticably 
lighter than the steelies...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:53 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:   > > Michael  wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone have a set of hubcaps for 14” aluminum wheels in
> > champagne?

> Russ wrote:
>
> Just checked and I do have a complete set they came with my
> Champagne 240D. Original owner had put Bunts on the car. Gave me
> the steel rims and caps

Michael actually asked for hubcaps for _aluminum_ wheels.  The
only aluminum wheels I'm familiar with are commonly called
"bunts".  I'm also not aware of any hubcaps for those.

Is there a different aluminum wheel?

Or did Michael really mean "steel"?

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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

What kind of champagne would one drink from the caps?  Are the krauts 
and frogs on speaking terms around the fizzy wine aspect yet?


--FT


On 12/6/17 8:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

There are aluminum wheels that look sort of like the steel wheels. The later 
123 will have these.

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On Dec 5, 2017, at 11:53 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:


Michael  wrote:

Does anyone have a set of hubcaps for 14” aluminum wheels in
champagne?

Russ wrote:

Just checked and I do have a complete set they came with my
Champagne 240D. Original owner had put Bunts on the car. Gave me
the steel rims and caps

Michael actually asked for hubcaps for _aluminum_ wheels.  The
only aluminum wheels I'm familiar with are commonly called
"bunts".  I'm also not aware of any hubcaps for those.

Is there a different aluminum wheel?

Or did Michael really mean "steel"?

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Re: [MBZ] SLK falls victim to global warming climate change disruption and the super moon and an idiot owner

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

And started throwing their trash in the creeks, which are now streets 
except when there is a king tide (again this morning half the city was 
flooded) or hurricanes or thunderstorms, at which times they revert back 
to creeks.


--FT


On 12/6/17 7:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

You must understand that this is where the Ashley and the Cooper rivers
come together and _form_ the Atlantic ocean.

The first English settlers from Barbados arrived 1680.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I would posit that flooding is worse than in the 18th century or whenever
Charleston was founded.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


No that street is in Charleston along the river. It has probably been
flooding at high tides since it was built on fill in the marsh whenever.
The whole city floods. A bunch of other streets were closed this morning
too. Just typical


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Re: [MBZ] Hi, my name is Max, and I have a problem..

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah he did get around to dealing with that boot from 2002, it only took 
15 years but hey it is done!


--R


On 12/5/17 10:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Max Sez :


‎I'm a hoarder.

Welcome to the club. At least you're not a chronic procrastinator.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

There are aluminum wheels that look sort of like the steel wheels. The later 
123 will have these. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2017, at 11:53 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>>> Michael  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have a set of hubcaps for 14” aluminum wheels in
>>> champagne?
> 
>> Russ wrote:
>> 
>> Just checked and I do have a complete set they came with my
>> Champagne 240D. Original owner had put Bunts on the car. Gave me
>> the steel rims and caps
> 
> Michael actually asked for hubcaps for _aluminum_ wheels.  The
> only aluminum wheels I'm familiar with are commonly called
> "bunts".  I'm also not aware of any hubcaps for those.
> 
> Is there a different aluminum wheel?
> 
> Or did Michael really mean "steel"?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hubcap request - champagne

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:53 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> Michael actually asked for hubcaps for _aluminum_ wheels.  The
> only aluminum wheels I'm familiar with are commonly called
> "bunts".  I'm also not aware of any hubcaps for those.
>
> Is there a different aluminum wheel?
>
> Or did Michael really mean "steel"?


DB put aluminum stamped rims on their diesels to reduce unsprung weight.
They look like the stamped steel rims but are lighter weight.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] SLK falls victim to global warming climate change disruption and the super moon and an idiot owner

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

You must understand that this is where the Ashley and the Cooper rivers
come together and _form_ the Atlantic ocean.

The first English settlers from Barbados arrived 1680.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would posit that flooding is worse than in the 18th century or whenever
> Charleston was founded.
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > No that street is in Charleston along the river. It has probably been
> > flooding at high tides since it was built on fill in the marsh whenever.
> > The whole city floods. A bunch of other streets were closed this morning
> > too. Just typical
> >
>
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