Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I wonder if you can install a drain cock in the bottom of the pot - and
drain the water out from the bottom instead of trying to scoop dried oil
off the top? That's how we drain water from aircraft fuel tanks . . .
I didn't know that heating it would break the emulsion, but it does sound
like the best way to dry the oil if you can't replace it ($).

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Okay, at this point I've got to stop and ask: Have none of you noticed
> that I'm dealing with an emulsion? The water is in the oil and by itself
> won't come out. At least five times I've mentioned this, the water WILL NOT
> SETTLE OUT OF THE ATF. I'm reasonably sure this is done on purpose.
>
> Again going back, this is the reason I intend to take the oil only to 100C
> and why I want to sneak up on 100C instead of getting there fast and
> overshooting. I don't want 5 gallons of oil/water emulsion to explode or
> even to pop...
>
> Anyway, I heat the oil which breaks the emulsion (again I've repeated this
> but I'm pretty sure nobody reads that part, you don't act like it if you
> do) then when the oil cools the water falls out, we scoop the good, dry oil
> off the top and send it back into the groomer to get pickup more water.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2018, 10:36:54 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:22:20 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>
>  wrote:
>
> > Boiling all the water out is a little like making maple syrup, its
> > going to take considerable time... -Curt
>
>
> In maple syrup, isn't the syrup heavier than water?
>
> In this case, the oil is lighter and will cover the water. If you get
> water above boiling, it will explode under the oil and cause a mess.
>
> I speak from experience: In college, I wanted to calibrate the
> temperature sensor used in my Alfa Romeo for oil temperature measurement.
> I put a beaker of engine oil on a laboratory hot plate and started
> taking resistance versus temperature measurements. At one point, I
> wanted the temperature to go down, so I took the temperature sensor
> out of the oil and dunked it in a glass of water to cool it. I then
> took it out of the water, shook it off, and put it back in the oil.
>
> A couple of minutes later, what little water I had not removed from
> thesensor settled on the bottom of the beaker and exploded, causing
> the beaker to jump up about 18", fall back down, and spread hot oil
> everywhere as it broke in lots of little pieces of glass.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] RI topless driver explains

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I did similar with the MGA, though it wasn't much different than driving
with the top up and the side curtains on :-)

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> I've done that.  But on purpose on the cold clear days.  Colder the better.
>  (R107, no expensive repairs needed.)
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo hose

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 04:02:42 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 3/4" = .375 or around 9.5mm
> 7mm = .275"

3/4" = 0.750" or 19.05 mm


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Turbo hose

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

My experience with hard hot starts came down to replacing the injection pump on 
my84 300D.  Someone on the list told me to throw a bag of ice on the pump next 
time it wouldn’t start. I did just that and it started up within minutes.   I 
never had a problem in the winter, only summer. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think on my '87 wagon, OM603, it's just standard fuel hose.  FLAPS should 
> have something that fits.
> 
> I don't see how this would affect hot starts.  My suspicion is that the cause 
> of a hot start problem is a worn out injection pump.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On January 12, 2018 5:33:49 PM EST, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Before I hack the rubber bits and can not drive the car for a while. 
>> Any insight into the ID of the waste gate hose?   Mine is perished and
>> I suspect it is the cause of hot start trouble.   Something is making
>> the turbo not spool up on a warm engine.  It takes a few attempts to
>> get proper fuel flow to the engine, or make power.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's fun

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The improvements in tire technology are really quite amazing (or maybe I just 
buy better tires now?).  In my youth, changing a flat tire was just a normal 
part of driving.  Not every day, of course, but a few times a year.  I have had 
a low tire occasionally not a real flat in decades.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:45 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Curt Raymond ; fmiser 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's fun
> 
> LOL, I know, 3 1/4 years...
> Its only the third or fourth tire I've ever changed...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 



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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

No, wet ATF will dissolve cellulose fiber disk packs and cause serious rust and 
corrosion.
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo hose

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

3/4" = .375 or around 9.5mm
7mm = .275"

-Curt


On Friday, January 12, 2018, 10:56:41 PM EST, clay monroe via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


Not to my thinking.

The issue began after the shop adjusted the transmission.  Replaced some pots 
and hooked up hoses and replaced perished bits.  The issue never took place 
prior to that, and the guy at the shop commented on how it was NA.  I think he 
got the trouble when he tried to move the car on testing.

I have an almost right size hose.  3/4” or 7mm?

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 12, 2018, at 7:18 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think on my '87 wagon, OM603, it's just standard fuel hose.  FLAPS should 
> have something that fits.
> 
> I don't see how this would affect hot starts.  My suspicion is that the cause 
> of a hot start problem is a worn out injection pump.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On January 12, 2018 5:33:49 PM EST, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Before I hack the rubber bits and can not drive the car for a while. 
>> Any insight into the ID of the waste gate hose?  Mine is perished and
>> I suspect it is the cause of hot start trouble.  Something is making
>> the turbo not spool up on a warm engine.  It takes a few attempts to
>> get proper fuel flow to the engine, or make power.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo hose

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Not to my thinking.

The issue began after the shop adjusted the transmission.  Replaced some pots 
and hooked up hoses and replaced perished bits.   The issue never took place 
prior to that, and the guy at the shop commented on how it was NA.  I think he 
got the trouble when he tried to move the car on testing.

 I have an almost right size hose.  3/4” or 7mm?

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 12, 2018, at 7:18 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think on my '87 wagon, OM603, it's just standard fuel hose.  FLAPS should 
> have something that fits.
> 
> I don't see how this would affect hot starts.  My suspicion is that the cause 
> of a hot start problem is a worn out injection pump.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On January 12, 2018 5:33:49 PM EST, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Before I hack the rubber bits and can not drive the car for a while. 
>> Any insight into the ID of the waste gate hose?   Mine is perished and
>> I suspect it is the cause of hot start trouble.   Something is making
>> the turbo not spool up on a warm engine.  It takes a few attempts to
>> get proper fuel flow to the engine, or make power.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Okay, at this point I've got to stop and ask: Have none of you noticed that I'm 
dealing with an emulsion? The water is in the oil and by itself won't come out. 
At least five times I've mentioned this, the water WILL NOT SETTLE OUT OF THE 
ATF. I'm reasonably sure this is done on purpose.

Again going back, this is the reason I intend to take the oil only to 100C and 
why I want to sneak up on 100C instead of getting there fast and overshooting. 
I don't want 5 gallons of oil/water emulsion to explode or even to pop...

Anyway, I heat the oil which breaks the emulsion (again I've repeated this but 
I'm pretty sure nobody reads that part, you don't act like it if you do) then 
when the oil cools the water falls out, we scoop the good, dry oil off the top 
and send it back into the groomer to get pickup more water.

-Curt






On Friday, January 12, 2018, 10:36:54 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:22:20 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 wrote:

> Boiling all the water out is a little like making maple syrup, its
> going to take considerable time... -Curt 


In maple syrup, isn't the syrup heavier than water?

In this case, the oil is lighter and will cover the water. If you get
water above boiling, it will explode under the oil and cause a mess.

I speak from experience: In college, I wanted to calibrate the
temperature sensor used in my Alfa Romeo for oil temperature measurement.
I put a beaker of engine oil on a laboratory hot plate and started
taking resistance versus temperature measurements. At one point, I
wanted the temperature to go down, so I took the temperature sensor
out of the oil and dunked it in a glass of water to cool it. I then
took it out of the water, shook it off, and put it back in the oil.

A couple of minutes later, what little water I had not removed from
thesensor settled on the bottom of the beaker and exploded, causing
the beaker to jump up about 18", fall back down, and spread hot oil
everywhere as it broke in lots of little pieces of glass.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] S class

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

This boy is a little slow.  Maybe he needs a smack upside the head

clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:22:20 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Boiling all the water out is a little like making maple syrup, its
> going to take considerable time... -Curt 

In maple syrup, isn't the syrup heavier than water?

In this case, the oil is lighter and will cover the water. If you get
water above boiling, it will explode under the oil and cause a mess.

I speak from experience: In college, I wanted to calibrate the
temperature sensor used in my Alfa Romeo for oil temperature measurement.
I put a beaker of engine oil on a laboratory hot plate and started
taking resistance versus temperature measurements. At one point, I
wanted the temperature to go down, so I took the temperature sensor
out of the oil and dunked it in a glass of water to cool it. I then
took it out of the water, shook it off, and put it back in the oil.

A couple of minutes later, what little water I had not removed from
thesensor settled on the bottom of the beaker and exploded, causing
the beaker to jump up about 18", fall back down, and spread hot oil
everywhere as it broke in lots of little pieces of glass.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

120 degrees Celsius is clearly OK, because that's the temperature of the
water bath the typical MB runs the ATF through in the radiator
heat-exchanger.

Maybe look at the faces of some aftermarket analog auxiliary towing gauges,
figure out where the red zone is?

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm thinking the smoke point is pretty high but I don't want to damage the oil 
or any of the additives. Again supposedly at 100C the emulsion breaks and the 
water will settle out which it won't do otherwise...
Boiling all the water out is a little like making maple syrup, its going to 
take considerable time...
-Curt
 

On Friday, January 12, 2018, 10:15:50 PM EST, Jim Cathey 
 wrote:  
 
 Turkey fryer is an excellent example of "gettin' the water out".  Keep the oil 
under 350 degrees Fahrenheit and the oil won't burn and impart a bad flavor to 
the turkey.  Perhaps ATF has a different smoke point?  :-)
-- Jim
  
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo hose

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think on my '87 wagon, OM603, it's just standard fuel hose.  FLAPS should 
have something that fits.

I don't see how this would affect hot starts.  My suspicion is that the cause 
of a hot start problem is a worn out injection pump.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 12, 2018 5:33:49 PM EST, clay monroe via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Before I hack the rubber bits and can not drive the car for a while. 
>Any insight into the ID of the waste gate hose?   Mine is perished and
>I suspect it is the cause of hot start trouble.   Something is making
>the turbo not spool up on a warm engine.  It takes a few attempts to
>get proper fuel flow to the engine, or make power.
>
>clay 
>
>1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>1986 SDL - Polei
>1982 300 SD - Allen
>
>retired models-
>2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Turkey fryer is an excellent example of "gettin' the water out".  Keep the
oil under 350 degrees Fahrenheit and the oil won't burn and impart a bad
flavor to the turkey.  Perhaps ATF has a different smoke point?  :-)

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] RI topless driver explains

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I've done that.  But on purpose on the cold clear days.  Colder the better.
 (R107, no expensive repairs needed.)

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It doesn't, we've already tried...
 

On Friday, January 12, 2018, 9:37:54 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On January 12, 2018 at 6:10 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You might get lucky if you pump down the system, into a plastic barrel, so
> you can see through the plastic [shop light on one side]. Let it "settle"
> for a few days, then let it freeze. The water will freeze, the oil
> won't pump off the oil. Oil is light, water is heavy, it will settle to
> bottom of barrel.

This might be worth a try. 
Put a half gallon of the worst crap you drained out in a milk carton and let it 
sit out in really cold weather, see what happens. 
If the water precipitates out as a solid, you're getting somewhere.

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Kinda what I don't want to happen. My small scale experiment was half an ounce 
of oil in a tuna can, as it got hot it'd spit and pop, that was 220F (my IR 
thermometer was in F) and was mostly a consequence of not being able to turn 
down the camp stove enough for the job, this was using my smallest camp stove 
too.
The plan right now is to use a turkey fryer and a metal 5 gallon bucket. I read 
a post on a forum where a guy used this exact technique and could de-water in 
about 5 minutes.Actually for the first test I'd like to use a Coleman stove so 
we can sneak up on 100C better. I just want to nudge 100C, maybe hold it there 
for a little while. Then cool it down and let the water fall out, skim the good 
oil off the top. 
Boiling the water out scares me a little, I don't want bubbles of steam in 5 
gallons of oil and I don't want to damage the oil by overheating it. Everything 
I've read suggests ATF can handle 100C easily. I haven't seen a max temp yet 
but I know I don't want to get there.
-Curt
 

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> On January 12, 2018 at 6:08 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> I've seen some people who claim getting the oil to 100C is enough to get the 
> water to settle out. We're going to give it a try anyway.

I bet 120°C would turn the water to gas.  
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Re: [MBZ] S class

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I sent the article to #1 boy, as his W140 leads the pack


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> wrote:
> 
> Clay will get a kick out of this review:
> 
> 999. W220 (1999-2006)
> 
> Yes, I've put the W220 S-Class in 999th place. Few vehicles have tarnished a 
> dynasty quite like the W220 S-Class, which was sold throughout the early 
> 2000s. Featuring weird, melted "Is it a Hyundai?" styling and embarrassing 
> interior materials (coupled with a similarly awful layout) these have 
> deservedly fallen in price more than basically any other S-Class. They're 
> also a nightmare to own -- especially when you buy one for $7,500 and are 
> suddenly confronted with repair bills that can easily surpass that figure -- 
> and filled with all sorts of complicated electronics that couldn't hide the 
> fact that this vehicle, following up the W140, represented one of the worst 
> redesigns in automotive history.
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Re: [MBZ] S class

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Clay will get a kick out of this review:

999. W220 (1999-2006)

Yes, I've put the W220 S-Class in 999th place. Few vehicles have tarnished a 
dynasty quite like the W220 S-Class, which was sold throughout the early 2000s. 
Featuring weird, melted "Is it a Hyundai?" styling and embarrassing interior 
materials (coupled with a similarly awful layout) these have deservedly fallen 
in price more than basically any other S-Class. They're also a nightmare to own 
-- especially when you buy one for $7,500 and are suddenly confronted with 
repair bills that can easily surpass that figure -- and filled with all sorts 
of complicated electronics that couldn't hide the fact that this vehicle, 
following up the W140, represented one of the worst redesigns in automotive 
history.

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 12, 2018 at 6:10 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You might get lucky if you pump down the system, into a plastic barrel, so
> you can see through the plastic [shop light on one side]. Let it "settle"
> for a few days, then let it freeze. The water will freeze, the oil
> won't pump off the oil. Oil is light, water is heavy, it will settle to
> bottom of barrel.

This might be worth a try. 
Put a half gallon of the worst crap you drained out in a milk carton and let it 
sit out in really cold weather, see what happens. 
If the water precipitates out as a solid, you're getting somewhere.

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 12, 2018 at 6:08 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> I've seen some people who claim getting the oil to 100C is enough to get the 
> water to settle out. We're going to give it a try anyway.

I bet 120°C would turn the water to gas.

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[MBZ] S class

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/here-are-all-the-mercedes-benz-s-class-models-ranked-from-best-to-worst-272417

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[MBZ] The dictators ‘ favorite

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Re: [MBZ] RI topless driver explains

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Invite him to the Q. Dan can show him how to fix R129 top.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Need to get him added to our Okie Benz list...
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow...

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Well, I didn't read the final story, so yes. "Neighbors said they’ve seen
him driving with the top down for several months, despite the increasingly
cold weather.

The reason? Pratt said it’s simple math. He got an estimate to repair the
broken roof from a local Mercedes deal: $5,000. That’s more than the entire
car is worth, he said."

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 5:18 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Nope - "As of now, we don’t know much about the driver of the SL or if
> the convertible top was broken or not. We do know that they are now a
> legend and seem to have little care for atmospheric conditions. I say drive
> on, nameless Mercedes SL owner, the world needs you."
>
> Probably a member of the polar bear club on his way to the beach.
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> More likely JD or similar, or possibly beer!  But the text said he was
>> taking it in to get the top repaired.
>>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> January 12, 2018 at 1:21 PM
>>> Maybe he had to make a run to the store for some TP.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow...

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Nope - "As of now, we don’t know much about the driver of the SL or if the
convertible top was broken or not. We do know that they are now a legend
and seem to have little care for atmospheric conditions. I say drive on,
nameless Mercedes SL owner, the world needs you."

Probably a member of the polar bear club on his way to the beach.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> More likely JD or similar, or possibly beer!  But the text said he was
> taking it in to get the top repaired.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> January 12, 2018 at 1:21 PM
>> Maybe he had to make a run to the store for some TP.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oil isn't compressable either, what does that have to do with it?
Go back and read the previous posts ATF won't come out of emulsion on it's own. 
We left it a week with no change.The biggest problem we're having is that the 
water freezes somewhere in the single digits, apparently the ATF does a good 
job lowering it's freezing point...

Curt

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  On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 6:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:   Not really, water in not compressible, so it will blow seals and bend
shafts in pump. Also, it will freeze and stop up the pickup in bottom of
reservoir.

You might get lucky if you pump down the system, into a plastic barrel, so
you can see through the plastic [shop light on one side]. Let it "settle"
for a few days, then let it freeze. The water will freeze, the oil
won't pump off the oil. Oil is light, water is heavy, it will settle to
bottom of barrel.

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> On 12/01/2018 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> ATF has a very high detergent activity, and water will not separate well,
>> if at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>>
>
> So, is it safe for them to continue using it without changing the fluid?
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Not really, water in not compressible, so it will blow seals and bend
shafts in pump. Also, it will freeze and stop up the pickup in bottom of
reservoir.

You might get lucky if you pump down the system, into a plastic barrel, so
you can see through the plastic [shop light on one side]. Let it "settle"
for a few days, then let it freeze. The water will freeze, the oil
won't pump off the oil. Oil is light, water is heavy, it will settle to
bottom of barrel.

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> On 12/01/2018 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> ATF has a very high detergent activity, and water will not separate well,
>> if at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>>
>
> So, is it safe for them to continue using it without changing the fluid?
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The term is emulsion and if you go back to my original post I complained about 
it. Apparently heat breaks the emulsion, I've seen some people who claim 
getting the oil to 100C is enough to get the water to settle out. We're going 
to give it a try anyway.

Curt

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  On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes wrote:   On 12/01/2018 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick 
via Mercedes wrote:
> ATF has a very high detergent activity, and water will not separate well, if 
> at all.
>
>
>
> ___

So, is it safe for them to continue using it without changing the fluid?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Centrifuge will do it. if the oil/water is not emulsified it will do it
better. Might have to let it set and settle for a while. Water is heavy,
oil is light, so it will separate with gravity of centrifuge and managed
from the machine.

Someone near you will have one that could process the 55 gallons of oil for
you. Lots of biodiesel folks used them.

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> ATF has a very high detergent activity, and water will not separate well,
> if at all.
>
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Re: [MBZ] RI topless driver explains

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Need to get him added to our Okie Benz list...
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On January 12, 2018 4:03:11 PM EST, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
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>http://turnto10.com/news/local/convertible-driver-speaks-to-nbc-10-after-snowy-ride
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

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On 12/01/2018 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

ATF has a very high detergent activity, and water will not separate well, if at 
all.



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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

ATF has a very high detergent activity, and water will not separate well, if at 
all.



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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I wonder if you drain off a gallon or more and let it sit for a while, 
if the oil and the water will separate? If it was gasoline, the water 
would go to the bottom. In this case, I wonder if the oil would be on 
the bottom and the water on the top so you could siphon it off.


However, I think someone also suggested earlier that ATF bonds with the 
water to keep it in suspension so maybe that would not work?


RB

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[MBZ] Turbo hose

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Before I hack the rubber bits and can not drive the car for a while.  Any 
insight into the ID of the waste gate hose?   Mine is perished and I suspect it 
is the cause of hot start trouble.   Something is making the turbo not spool up 
on a warm engine.  It takes a few attempts to get proper fuel flow to the 
engine, or make power.

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I have one of those too, I'd thought of it and then forgotten. Thanks for the 
reminder.
-Curt
 

On Friday, January 12, 2018, 4:12:35 PM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Curt wrote:

> Anybody got a good way to get water out of ATF?

I have a funnel with a filter that lets gasoline through, but not
water.  I don't know if it will work with transmission fluid.  I
don't know if I'll have time to try that today...

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Re: [MBZ] Today's fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

LOL, I know, 3 1/4 years...
Its only the third or fourth tire I've ever changed...

-Curt
 

On Friday, January 12, 2018, 4:12:34 PM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Curt wrote:

> The jack and tools are supposed to be under the front seat. The
> jack was there, nothing else was. I need to call some junkyards.

So how long have you been driving this car - without basic service
tools?7

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Re: [MBZ] Today's fun

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On 12/01/2018 3:11 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Curt wrote:
The jack and tools are supposed to be under the front seat. The
jack was there, nothing else was. I need to call some junkyards.

So how long have you been driving this car - without basic service
tools?7

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Re: [MBZ] Today's fun

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> The jack and tools are supposed to be under the front seat. The
> jack was there, nothing else was. I need to call some junkyards.

So how long have you been driving this car - without basic service
tools?7

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> Anybody got a good way to get water out of ATF?

I have a funnel with a filter that lets gasoline through, but not
water.  I don't know if it will work with transmission fluid.  I
don't know if I'll have time to try that today...

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[MBZ] RI topless driver explains

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

http://turnto10.com/news/local/convertible-driver-speaks-to-nbc-10-after-snowy-ride




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Re: [MBZ] The Finny for Poos is still available

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I bought mine used-the engine blew at 90K so had a rebuilt Jasper put in. I
got anther 60K out of it before I sold it.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yep, my parents bought it and passed it to me. My dad isn't a great one
> for maintenance so it'd have gotten the oil changed "sometimes" before I
> got it. I was religious about 3,000 mile oil changes even though the book
> said (I think) 5,000. I did 10w40 in the summer and 5w30 in the winter
> although I always used the cheapest oil I could get. It leaked less with
> the thicker oil in the summer...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 5:17:57 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Did you get it new? If not, who knows what sort of life it had before
> you got it. Some folks never change oil.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow...

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That's even funnier.

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> More likely JD or similar, or possibly beer!  But the text said he was
> taking it in to get the top repaired.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> January 12, 2018 at 1:21 PM
>> Maybe he had to make a run to the store for some TP.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We've got a member who manages an autoparts store and gets us a rate.
-Curt
 

On Friday, January 12, 2018, 3:30:57 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:46:59 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> What we really need is 100 gallons of ATF, route the output of the
> return to an empty container and keep pumping new clean fluid in until
> all the contaminated fluid runs out, that'd be about 4x my budget
> though... -Curt 

You can get ATF for $4.00/gallon? The best I have seen is $4.40/gallon:

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/super-s-supertrac-303-tractor-hydraulic-fluid-5-gal


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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:46:59 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> What we really need is 100 gallons of ATF, route the output of the
> return to an empty container and keep pumping new clean fluid in until
> all the contaminated fluid runs out, that'd be about 4x my budget
> though... -Curt 

You can get ATF for $4.00/gallon? The best I have seen is $4.40/gallon:

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/super-s-supertrac-303-tractor-hydraulic-fluid-5-gal


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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

ATF has detergents to bind the water.  THat is why it is opaque to 
translucent, not clear.



Dan--- via Mercedes 
January 12, 2018 at 1:36 PM
I’m wondering if there is such thing as a water separator, much like 
there are for diesel fuel systems. If so, seems like it would be an 
ideal application for one...




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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

More likely JD or similar, or possibly beer!  But the text said he was 
taking it in to get the top repaired.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 12, 2018 at 1:21 PM
Maybe he had to make a run to the store for some TP.



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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow...

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Well, he's still an idiot.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> More like feminine product needs.  No other reason to go out like that.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 1/12/18 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Maybe he had to make a run to the store for some TP.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:16 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> As Forest Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does."
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sent to me by #1 Daughter:

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My research suggests that there are all sorts of water removing tools. They 
fall into 4 basic categories:
1. Heaters2. Centrufugal3. Vacuum4. Air displacement
All of them require big equipment. You need to remember the snowmobile club 
runs on basically zero budget. I can budget maybe $100 for this but not much 
more unless you'd like to make a donation. :)
My experiment from yesterday looks to be more successful than I knew initially, 
it looks like the heat drove much of the water out of emulsion so although I 
didn't boil all of the water out its separated into a different level under the 
oil. So I'm thinking thats the way to go. Sunday I've got a new light bar to 
put on the ASV anyway so I'll take a Coleman stove with me and heat up 5 
gallons of oil. Let it sit overnight, suction the dry oil off the top and 
replace whats in the machine now with the dry oil. Lather, rinse, repeat a 
couple times over the next week or so and maybe we'll have something.

What we really need is 100 gallons of ATF, route the output of the return to an 
empty container and keep pumping new clean fluid in until all the contaminated 
fluid runs out, that'd be about 4x my budget though...
-Curt
 

On Friday, January 12, 2018, 2:36:35 PM EST, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m wondering if there is such thing as a water separator, much like there are 
for diesel fuel systems.  If so, seems like it would be an ideal application 
for one...

-D

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 2:33 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I assume you do not have access or desire to acquaint yourself with a shop 
> that does an ATF flush.  Maybe those things do bad for engine, but it would 
> remove all the fluid and put good stuff back in, in one fell swoop
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
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> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yup, did that. Looks like the best bet is to heat it and see if we can 
>> recover some of the fluid. With luck after a few changes we can reduce the 
>> amount of water in there for now, then in the summer we'll go through the 
>> process of replacing all of it...
>> 
>> 
>> -Curt 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow...

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

More like feminine product needs.  No other reason to go out like that.

--FT


On 1/12/18 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe he had to make a run to the store for some TP.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:16 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:


As Forest Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does."


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Sent to me by #1 Daughter:


https://jalopnik.com/nameless-hero-braves-the-blizzard-in-a-
drop-top-mercede-1821841886


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow... on the same page

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It gave me a woodiewoody

-FT


On 1/12/18 2:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I agree - looks nice.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://jalopnik.com/hit-the-beach-with-this-custom-craigsli
st-surf-wagon-ab-1821843191

They really criticize this but it does not look all that bad in my
opinion. I don't think I like the horn ring mounted over the airbag but the
job mounting the fenders and hood looks like it was done reasonably well.
Would be interesting to have a close up look at it.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I’m wondering if there is such thing as a water separator, much like there are 
for diesel fuel systems.  If so, seems like it would be an ideal application 
for one...

-D

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 2:33 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I assume you do not have access or desire to acquaint yourself with a shop 
> that does an ATF flush.  Maybe those things do bad for engine, but it would 
> remove all the fluid and put good stuff back in, in one fell swoop
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yup, did that. Looks like the best bet is to heat it and see if we can 
>> recover some of the fluid. With luck after a few changes we can reduce the 
>> amount of water in there for now, then in the summer we'll go through the 
>> process of replacing all of it...
>> 
>> 
>> -Curt 
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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I assume you do not have access or desire to acquaint yourself with a shop that 
does an ATF flush.  Maybe those things do bad for engine, but it would remove 
all the fluid and put good stuff back in, in one fell swoop

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yup, did that. Looks like the best bet is to heat it and see if we can 
> recover some of the fluid. With luck after a few changes we can reduce the 
> amount of water in there for now, then in the summer we'll go through the 
> process of replacing all of it...
> 
> 
> -Curt 

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow... on the same page

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I agree - looks nice.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://jalopnik.com/hit-the-beach-with-this-custom-craigsli
> st-surf-wagon-ab-1821843191
>
> They really criticize this but it does not look all that bad in my
> opinion. I don't think I like the horn ring mounted over the airbag but the
> job mounting the fenders and hood looks like it was done reasonably well.
> Would be interesting to have a close up look at it.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe he had to make a run to the store for some TP.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:16 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> As Forest Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does."
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow... on the same page

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https://jalopnik.com/hit-the-beach-with-this-custom-craigslist-surf-wagon-ab-1821843191

They really criticize this but it does not look all that bad in my 
opinion. I don't think I like the horn ring mounted over the airbag but 
the job mounting the fenders and hood looks like it was done reasonably 
well. Would be interesting to have a close up look at it.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow...

[G Mann via Mercedes]

As Forest Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does."


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[MBZ] Fwd: Dashing Through the Snow...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sent to me by #1 Daughter:

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yup, did that. Looks like the best bet is to heat it and see if we can recover 
some of the fluid. With luck after a few changes we can reduce the amount of 
water in there for now, then in the summer we'll go through the process of 
replacing all of it...


-Curt






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 wrote: 





On 11/01/2018 8:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Anybody ever get water in ATF before? The Pisten Bully main hydraulics has 
> apparently got a substantial amount of water in it. The last two times we 
> went out it required 1/2 hour of run time before they would work at all. This 
> includes all the blade functions and the drag, so its a major problem.
> The fluid in the tank looks like Pepto Bismal. Ben drained out 5 gallons and 
> replaced twice, its less pink now but still pretty pink. Thats $40 down the 
> drain...
> I took some ATF in a glass bottle, added just a tiny amount of water, shook 
> and produced the same result. Left for 2 days it separates not at all.Tonight 
> I put the mixture into a clean tuna can and put it over a camp stove (Optimus 
> 8r, I wanted to use something small) to see if I could boil the water out. In 
> the end I *think* its possible but its going to be like making maple syrup. 
> My experiment took longer than you'd think considering there was maybe 1oz of 
> fluid and it popped and spit. That'd probably be mitigated on a larger volume 
> but you'd still need to be pretty careful.
> The idea is we could clean the fluid and run it back through the system until 
> we pick up all the water. Alternately we need to completely drain the system 
> which is a BIG job, there are 5 hydraulic cylinders on the blade and 2 more 
> on the drag. The rear cylinder on the drag is probably 25 feet away from the 
> hydraulic pump, oh and they're all double acting cylinders...
> Anybody got a good way to get water out of ATF?
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Water in ATF?

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On 11/01/2018 8:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Anybody ever get water in ATF before? The Pisten Bully main hydraulics has 
apparently got a substantial amount of water in it. The last two times we went 
out it required 1/2 hour of run time before they would work at all. This 
includes all the blade functions and the drag, so its a major problem.
The fluid in the tank looks like Pepto Bismal. Ben drained out 5 gallons and 
replaced twice, its less pink now but still pretty pink. Thats $40 down the 
drain...
I took some ATF in a glass bottle, added just a tiny amount of water, shook and 
produced the same result. Left for 2 days it separates not at all.Tonight I put 
the mixture into a clean tuna can and put it over a camp stove (Optimus 8r, I 
wanted to use something small) to see if I could boil the water out. In the end 
I *think* its possible but its going to be like making maple syrup. My 
experiment took longer than you'd think considering there was maybe 1oz of 
fluid and it popped and spit. That'd probably be mitigated on a larger volume 
but you'd still need to be pretty careful.
The idea is we could clean the fluid and run it back through the system until 
we pick up all the water. Alternately we need to completely drain the system 
which is a BIG job, there are 5 hydraulic cylinders on the blade and 2 more on 
the drag. The rear cylinder on the drag is probably 25 feet away from the 
hydraulic pump, oh and they're all double acting cylinders...
Anybody got a good way to get water out of ATF?
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] What parts should I get off this car?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I don’t need any, I was just making the suggestion as I know they’re hard to 
come by, and often replaced with aftermarket arms that are typically black in 
color.

-D

> On Jan 11, 2018, at 10:09 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh,
> 
> I have the arms, but not the wiper holder.  Would you like me to ship them?
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
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> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
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>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wiper arms and acorn nuts, for sure.  The stainless or silver wiper arms are 
>> pretty much unobtanium any more.  What is out there is pretty expensive.
>> 
>> The big hood ornaments and base are also getting difficult to find as well. 
>> Wheel covers not so much, but if they’re clean and straight they’ve got 
>> value.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 9:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the ideas Dan.
>>> 
>>> Mitch - no idea on the steering wheel - I just have the info in the link.
>>> 
>>> Clay - If you want the distributor I'll see if it is still there next time
>>> I head up that way (Floy may get there first - maybe he'll snag it for
>>> you?).  What is a MAP?  Are these parts for Frosh?
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
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