[MBZ] Jobs that require getting under a jacked up car! [was: Re: Finnie Fun]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 23:24:52 -0500 Dimitri via Mercedes
 wrote:

> A pretty full day! I dislike jobs that require getting under a jacked
> up car!

Is there some other way to do jobs like:

- Change transmission filter
- Change differential gear oil
- Work on exhaust system
- Work on parking brake adjustment
- Change fuel hoses from body lines to tank
- Grease front wheel bearings
- Replace brake pads/disks

?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

A pretty full day! I dislike jobs that require getting under a jacked up car!

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> On Dec 27, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Another great day of finnie fun!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Ok then, which one of us is going to take on this project!?

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> On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm pretty sure the crinkle stuff around the doors is a version of thermo
> formed plastic.
> 
> Problem with thermo formed plastic is it will "re form" when subjected to
> heat.. Interior temps in a closed car can easily reach into the 120 / 140 F
> ranged which is the lower end of thermo form plastic becoming pliable and
> reforming..
> 
> Germany didn't think this one all the way through... I think... My posit is
> we need to re-invent the molding using another material...
> 
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:39 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks - the shriveled plastic is the problem more than the windlace.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:50 PM Dimitri  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No the crumpled hard plastic is on the doors and is not windlace.
>> Windlace
>>> is on the B pillars and around door openings.
>>> The crumpled plastic stuff is only available through dealer/CC and is of
>>> limited availability color wise and may even be unobtainium at this
>> point.
>>> I bought a piece for my China blue 240D once at an exhorbitant price and
>> it
>>> proceeded to crumple only a year or two later so I’ve given up. Maybe one
>>> of use can make some castings in order to reproduce it!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 27, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 To be clear  - the crumpled (shrunken) plastic trim around each of the
 windows on my W123 wagon can be replaced with this stuff?  And you make
 house calls in exchange for a large can of Narragansett?
 
 On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 3:46 PM Russ Williams via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Nice job WTG D.
> 
>> On Thu,12/27/18 12:21, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
>> Before and after and then installed on car.
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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I'm pretty sure the crinkle stuff around the doors is a version of thermo
formed plastic.

Problem with thermo formed plastic is it will "re form" when subjected to
heat.. Interior temps in a closed car can easily reach into the 120 / 140 F
ranged which is the lower end of thermo form plastic becoming pliable and
reforming..

Germany didn't think this one all the way through... I think... My posit is
we need to re-invent the molding using another material...

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:39 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks - the shriveled plastic is the problem more than the windlace.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:50 PM Dimitri  wrote:
>
> > No the crumpled hard plastic is on the doors and is not windlace.
> Windlace
> > is on the B pillars and around door openings.
> > The crumpled plastic stuff is only available through dealer/CC and is of
> > limited availability color wise and may even be unobtainium at this
> point.
> > I bought a piece for my China blue 240D once at an exhorbitant price and
> it
> > proceeded to crumple only a year or two later so I’ve given up. Maybe one
> > of use can make some castings in order to reproduce it!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 27, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > To be clear  - the crumpled (shrunken) plastic trim around each of the
> > > windows on my W123 wagon can be replaced with this stuff?  And you make
> > > house calls in exchange for a large can of Narragansett?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 3:46 PM Russ Williams via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Nice job WTG D.
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu,12/27/18 12:21, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>> Before and after and then installed on car.
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Did you look on the 
blog?http://curtsotherblog.blogspot.com/2018/12/new-car.html
-Curt

On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 9:42:42 PM EST, Dwight Giles 
 wrote:  
 
 Good progress Curt. I want to see pix.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Dec 27, 2018 9:18 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"  
wrote:

 Nice!After much farting around I got rid of the '98 Jetta today. A friend is 
taking it, he claims he's going to weld new rockers into it and drive it. More 
power to him...Then the big process of getting the licensing. The title arrived 
from VW USA, more proof that this is a resold "buyback" car. The registry was 
waaay backed up. Apparently their computers had been down earlier in the day. 
Spent about 2 hours there, it'd have been worse tomorrow since its Friday.
Tomorrow I'll get inspected which should be a cakewalk and that should be that. 
Its got an appointment with the paintless dent guy a week from Saturday for a 
tiny little crease. If it were just me I'd forget about it but the dealer is 
paying...
-Curt

    On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 8:45:51 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 Another great day of finnie fun!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_ Blog/Entries/2018/12/27_ Another_Great_Day!.html

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I was once taking a water pill for high blood pressure, the pharmacist says 
"Your co-pay is $25, the drug is $8, wanna just pay for it?"

-Curt

On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 9:41:54 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 So when I left the hospital the other day the docs had written prescriptions 
for like 7 things. I had forgotten to bring my new insurance info (like I was 
expecting to go there...) so they said they could call the pharmacy which I 
think is the CVS deal or just call the hospital pharm and I could get it there. 
So I said sure that is easier I’ll just pick it up on the way out, the pharmacy 
is right by the door. So the nurse organized that, comes and tells me they are 
giving me some discount as a cash customer it’ll be $76. Ok fine. I go pick 
stuff up, it is 2 plastic bags full of stuff. Like 6 bottles of pills then 2 
boxes and some more of these injectables. It was crazy. I figured it would be 
$760 for all that stuff. But there it is. I have no idea how they decide prices 
on this stuff. 

I have to call them and give them the insurance info, get that sorted out, I’m 
gonna take a huge hit on the deductible which I guess I figured the ins was 
more for “catastrophic“ events which I guess this thing was. 

There’s no winning this game...

--FT
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> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Starting Jan. 1, every hospital nationwide

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Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Nice progress ZDAN.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 27, 2018 8:45 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Another great day of finnie fun!
>
> http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2018/12/27_
> Another_Great_Day!.html
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Good progress Curt. I want to see pix.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 27, 2018 9:18 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

>  Nice!After much farting around I got rid of the '98 Jetta today. A friend
> is taking it, he claims he's going to weld new rockers into it and drive
> it. More power to him...Then the big process of getting the licensing. The
> title arrived from VW USA, more proof that this is a resold "buyback" car.
> The registry was waaay backed up. Apparently their computers had been down
> earlier in the day. Spent about 2 hours there, it'd have been worse
> tomorrow since its Friday.
> Tomorrow I'll get inspected which should be a cakewalk and that should be
> that. Its got an appointment with the paintless dent guy a week from
> Saturday for a tiny little crease. If it were just me I'd forget about it
> but the dealer is paying...
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 8:45:51 PM EST, Dan Penoff via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Another great day of finnie fun!
>
> http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2018/12/27_
> Another_Great_Day!.html
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] White Whale Water Works

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Attaboy!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

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> On Dec 27, 2018, at 4:42 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like good call.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Dec 27, 2018 6:08 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> I think I found the leak.  See picture in this Google Drive folder.
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM
>> 
>> The roof rack rail sits in a channel. In that channel there is a seam,
>> sealed with caulk. Seam runs the length of the car. Caulk is old, cracking.
>> Worse place was just by the A pillar, perfect point for letting water into
>> the passenger side.
>> 
>> I put fresh polyurethane caulk over it.
>> 
>> Rain tomorrow, we'll see if this is the fix.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

So when I left the hospital the other day the docs had written prescriptions 
for like 7 things. I had forgotten to bring my new insurance info (like I was 
expecting to go there...) so they said they could call the pharmacy which I 
think is the CVS deal or just call the hospital pharm and I could get it there. 
So I said sure that is easier I’ll just pick it up on the way out, the pharmacy 
is right by the door. So the nurse organized that, comes and tells me they are 
giving me some discount as a cash customer it’ll be $76. Ok fine. I go pick 
stuff up, it is 2 plastic bags full of stuff. Like 6 bottles of pills then 2 
boxes and some more of these injectables. It was crazy. I figured it would be 
$760 for all that stuff. But there it is. I have no idea how they decide prices 
on this stuff. 

I have to call them and give them the insurance info, get that sorted out, I’m 
gonna take a huge hit on the deductible which I guess I figured the ins was 
more for “catastrophic“ events which I guess this thing was. 

There’s no winning this game...

--FT
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> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Starting Jan. 1, every hospital nationwide

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The wife had one where a practice was sold a couple years after she stopped 
going to them, and the new owners sent her a bill for a procedure that was done 
nearly three years prior.  Needless to say I told them to stick it.  Never 
heard another word.  I wonder how many people paid them.

-D


> On Dec 27, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got that trick after my heart surgery, 2 years later they get around to 
> billing me. I went right to the doctor "If I sold you something do you think 
> it'd be okay for me to come to you for more money 2 years later." He looked 
> me in the eye and agreed. Its a good thing too, I'd already priced a full 
> page ad in our local newspaper...
> Glad I didn't have to, it was expensive.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 6:43:13 PM EST, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I've had 5 major surgeries to my left knee and there's nothing worse 
> than waking up and seeing a line of doctors coming by that you've never 
> heard of or seen before.  Then days/weeks later you get a bill for 
> "consultation".  One bill was rec'd more than 2 years after the "visit" 
> but I fought it and they stopped billing me - no Sorry, no explanation, 
> the bills just stopped.
> 
> It's a step in the right direction.  While everyone has different 
> insurance companies, rates and coverages, there's no reason they can't 
> create a matrix that will get things close so people without insurance 
> or limited coverage can comparison shop.   Yes, I know everyone is 
> supposed to be covered - but there's is just as many uncovered people 
> after ACA as there were before ACA.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> On 12/27/2018 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Seems like a great idea to me. The health car business these days is a big 
>> scam that ruins people’s lives. Aside from the astronomical costs, you never 
>> really know what you are paying for or even if you received what you are 
>> supposedly being billed for. You go the the doctor or the hospital and start 
>> receiving bills for things even before it has been sent to insurance. You 
>> are never really sure if it’s a bill you should pay or if insurance paid it. 
>> In many cases all the sudden you start getting bills from collection 
>> agencies who suddenly put this on your credit report and you have no idea 
>> what it even is.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I never liked to find out what the price is when I get the bill in the mail 
>>> a month later, so...
>>> 
>>> https://www.abc4.com/news/hospital-prices-are-going-public/1675480321
>>> 
>>> Starting Jan. 1, every hospital nationwide will be required to post 
>>> standard charges online for every item and every service they provide.
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Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Nice!After much farting around I got rid of the '98 Jetta today. A friend is 
taking it, he claims he's going to weld new rockers into it and drive it. More 
power to him...Then the big process of getting the licensing. The title arrived 
from VW USA, more proof that this is a resold "buyback" car. The registry was 
waaay backed up. Apparently their computers had been down earlier in the day. 
Spent about 2 hours there, it'd have been worse tomorrow since its Friday.
Tomorrow I'll get inspected which should be a cakewalk and that should be that. 
Its got an appointment with the paintless dent guy a week from Saturday for a 
tiny little crease. If it were just me I'd forget about it but the dealer is 
paying...
-Curt

On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 8:45:51 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Another great day of finnie fun!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2018/12/27_Another_Great_Day!.html

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I got that trick after my heart surgery, 2 years later they get around to 
billing me. I went right to the doctor "If I sold you something do you think 
it'd be okay for me to come to you for more money 2 years later." He looked me 
in the eye and agreed. Its a good thing too, I'd already priced a full page ad 
in our local newspaper...
Glad I didn't have to, it was expensive.

-Curt

On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 6:43:13 PM EST, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I've had 5 major surgeries to my left knee and there's nothing worse 
than waking up and seeing a line of doctors coming by that you've never 
heard of or seen before.  Then days/weeks later you get a bill for 
"consultation".  One bill was rec'd more than 2 years after the "visit" 
but I fought it and they stopped billing me - no Sorry, no explanation, 
the bills just stopped.

It's a step in the right direction.  While everyone has different 
insurance companies, rates and coverages, there's no reason they can't 
create a matrix that will get things close so people without insurance 
or limited coverage can comparison shop.   Yes, I know everyone is 
supposed to be covered - but there's is just as many uncovered people 
after ACA as there were before ACA.

LarryT

On 12/27/2018 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Seems like a great idea to me. The health car business these days is a big 
> scam that ruins people’s lives. Aside from the astronomical costs, you never 
> really know what you are paying for or even if you received what you are 
> supposedly being billed for. You go the the doctor or the hospital and start 
> receiving bills for things even before it has been sent to insurance. You are 
> never really sure if it’s a bill you should pay or if insurance paid it. In 
> many cases all the sudden you start getting bills from collection agencies 
> who suddenly put this on your credit report and you have no idea what it even 
> is.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I never liked to find out what the price is when I get the bill in the mail 
>> a month later, so...
>>
>> https://www.abc4.com/news/hospital-prices-are-going-public/1675480321
>>
>> Starting Jan. 1, every hospital nationwide will be required to post standard 
>> charges online for every item and every service they provide.
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[MBZ] Finnie Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Another great day of finnie fun!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2018/12/27_Another_Great_Day!.html

-D


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Re: [MBZ] NOW - LIST MOM WARNING - Was: Least educated state

[OK Don via Mercedes]

What Dan said!!!

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m going to put this out to everyone - it is not directed at you, another
> party, or anyone specific.
>
> The political sniping will stop. Now.  It drives other members away and
> creates a caustic environment, which is not appropriate for this list.
>
> I have full pooferator powers and I will gladly engage them in future
> instances should they occur.  If you can’t conduct yourself appropriately,
> go somewhere else. I don’t care how discreet or insignificant the comment
> seems, if it’s political in nature, you will be placed on moderation until
> you can conduct yourself appropriately.
>
> You have been warned, and it is a final warning.  I’m tired of the “most
> right” crap that’s been taking place.  It’s childish at best and a direct
> attempt to slip past what is considered acceptable subject matter.  Take it
> to Banned or somewhere else.  It doesn’t belong here.
>
> ‘nuf said.
>
> ListMom
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You will by now have observed that one party - not I - is consistently
> > injecting his brand of politics into any discussion, no matter how
> tenuous
> > the connection.  If he stops doing this then I will have no reason to
> > object, and we can all peacefully and fruitfully coexist.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 12:07 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Or take it to banned. We would love to discuss it there.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Knock it off, you two.  Take it private if you want to continue this
> >> line.
> >>>
> >>> -D ListMom
> >>>
>  On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Oh get over it.
> 
>  On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Oh! but Bummer the messiah knows better than YOU!
> >
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 7:52 AM:
> >> Does that mean that you also are no longer eligible for
> >> time-and-a-half
> >> overtime pay?  That happened at my place of employment back during
> the
> >> B.H.O. regime, really was a major pay cut for many of us.
> >>
> >> I used to run teams that went to client sites and installed LAN
> > equipment.
> >> I did the math, it was cheaper for the client if I sent a smaller
> team
> > and
> >> then worked nights and weekends to get the job done early, and
> >> beneficial
> >> in many other ways.  My guys and gals loved it, they were TDY and
> >> didn't
> >> want to sit around the hotel, they'd rather be working, and getting
> >> paid
> >> 1.5 the normal hourly rate was very nice, on top of the per diem.
> > Obummer
> >> took that all away, moral plunged not only on my teams but across
> the
> >> entire organization.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Test of Adhesives

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Cool video of aircraft carriers and planes, but no JB Weld.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 5:32 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
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> Here's a test of various adhesives on various substrates with very
> interesting results!  Wait til you see how JB Weld does with ceramic tile!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgdfGDfuW24
>
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Re: [MBZ] White Whale Water Works

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Looks like good call.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 27, 2018 6:08 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I think I found the leak.  See picture in this Google Drive folder.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM
>
> The roof rack rail sits in a channel. In that channel there is a seam,
> sealed with caulk. Seam runs the length of the car. Caulk is old, cracking.
> Worse place was just by the A pillar, perfect point for letting water into
> the passenger side.
>
> I put fresh polyurethane caulk over it.
>
> Rain tomorrow, we'll see if this is the fix.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

This is a w211 but the m272 engine

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Dec 27, 2018 7:37 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> No, but if that model uses one I would keep on on hand.  They’re
> relatively inexpensive for the W210s so I always have one n the shelf.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Dwight (used to be JGeils) writes:
> >
> >> The camshaft position sensor in my 2005 E320 4matic is failing.
> > Hard,starting & throwing code. Will have Indy replace it after holiday.
> Had
> > to postpone trip to PA to visit family.
> > Anyone BTDT?
> >
> > I think Dan just changed out a crank position sensor. I was wondering if
> it should be changed as a prophylactic measure.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No, but if that model uses one I would keep on on hand.  They’re relatively 
inexpensive for the W210s so I always have one n the shelf.

-D


> On Dec 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dwight (used to be JGeils) writes:
> 
>> The camshaft position sensor in my 2005 E320 4matic is failing.
> Hard,starting & throwing code. Will have Indy replace it after holiday. Had
> to postpone trip to PA to visit family.
> Anyone BTDT?
> 
> I think Dan just changed out a crank position sensor. I was wondering if it 
> should be changed as a prophylactic measure. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] NOW - LIST MOM WARNING - Was: Least educated state

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Banned is the proper forum for off topic discussions of sensitive topics. 
Unfortunately, neither of the usual offending parties is a member there it 
seems. 

Here is a link gentleman, have at it. 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I searched for a price on partial knee replacement but did not see it.
Full knee replacement costs $15K.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 6:51 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> https://surgerycenterok.com/
>
> All inclusive pricing. If you get an infection because of the surgery,
> they have to treat that too, same price. Way better odds of no post surgery
> complications.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes content

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dwight (used to be JGeils) writes:

>The camshaft position sensor in my 2005 E320 4matic is failing.
Hard,starting & throwing code. Will have Indy replace it after holiday. Had
to postpone trip to PA to visit family.
Anyone BTDT?

I think Dan just changed out a crank position sensor. I was wondering if it 
should be changed as a prophylactic measure. 

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Re: [MBZ] NOW - LIST MOM WARNING - Was: Least educated state

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

To paraphrase Marshall Booth:

CHANGE YOUR RULERS!

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 6:26 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well Mountain Man if this  were a political list your suggestion would
> work. But it is,a MERCEDES list not a political list
>  Sorry  but I am channelling Dr.Booth.
> Dwight
>
> Dwight Giles Jr
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>
> On Dec 27, 2018 3:36 PM, "Mountain Man via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dan wrote:
> > > The political sniping will stop. Now.
> >
> > Things have devolved to require this.
> > All sides can be more permissive, it seems??
> > ...i.e. less hurt directed AND less hurt taken.
> > ...dunno...
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://surgerycenterok.com/

All inclusive pricing. If you get an infection because of the surgery, they 
have to treat that too, same price. Way better odds of no post surgery 
complications. 

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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Don't ruin my fantasy.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 6:08 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In your progressive area they would probably fine you for having an
> unlicensed accommodation
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 12/27/18 4:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I wouldn't mind having a limo in my driveway.  I would tell the neighbors
> > that my driver sleeps in the en suite.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> DIdn’t make reserve at $7,100.  Too bad, as that’a  pretty good price
> for
> >> one of these, even with the BAT premium.  The market is so limited it’s
> >> difficult to find a buyer for something like this.  People think they’re
> >> cool but they don’t want a “limo” in their driveway.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> I like it, but I think I’d rather have a 6 door w124.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:06 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> >>>
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> > Does this look familiar to you?
> >
> >
> >>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-250-lw-long-wheel-base/
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I've had 5 major surgeries to my left knee and there's nothing worse 
than waking up and seeing a line of doctors coming by that you've never 
heard of or seen before.  Then days/weeks later you get a bill for 
"consultation".  One bill was rec'd more than 2 years after the "visit" 
but I fought it and they stopped billing me - no Sorry, no explanation, 
the bills just stopped.


It's a step in the right direction.  While everyone has different 
insurance companies, rates and coverages, there's no reason they can't 
create a matrix that will get things close so people without insurance 
or limited coverage can comparison shop.   Yes, I know everyone is 
supposed to be covered - but there's is just as many uncovered people 
after ACA as there were before ACA.


LarryT

On 12/27/2018 3:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Seems like a great idea to me. The health car business these days is a big scam 
that ruins people’s lives. Aside from the astronomical costs, you never really 
know what you are paying for or even if you received what you are supposedly 
being billed for. You go the the doctor or the hospital and start receiving 
bills for things even before it has been sent to insurance. You are never 
really sure if it’s a bill you should pay or if insurance paid it. In many 
cases all the sudden you start getting bills from collection agencies who 
suddenly put this on your credit report and you have no idea what it even is.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 27, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

I never liked to find out what the price is when I get the bill in the mail a 
month later, so...

https://www.abc4.com/news/hospital-prices-are-going-public/1675480321

Starting Jan. 1, every hospital nationwide will be required to post standard 
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Re: [MBZ] Remember Ed Sullivan? 280SE 3/5 on BAT

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Reserve not met.
But Andrew was closer than I was in guessing the final amount. 
Mitch. 

> On December 27, 2018 at 6:27 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Brought 95k

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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks - the shriveled plastic is the problem more than the windlace.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:50 PM Dimitri  wrote:

> No the crumpled hard plastic is on the doors and is not windlace. Windlace
> is on the B pillars and around door openings.
> The crumpled plastic stuff is only available through dealer/CC and is of
> limited availability color wise and may even be unobtainium at this point.
> I bought a piece for my China blue 240D once at an exhorbitant price and it
> proceeded to crumple only a year or two later so I’ve given up. Maybe one
> of use can make some castings in order to reproduce it!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 27, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > To be clear  - the crumpled (shrunken) plastic trim around each of the
> > windows on my W123 wagon can be replaced with this stuff?  And you make
> > house calls in exchange for a large can of Narragansett?
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 3:46 PM Russ Williams via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Nice job WTG D.
> >>
> >>> On Thu,12/27/18 12:21, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Before and after and then installed on car.
> >>>
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[MBZ] Mercedes content

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

The camshaft position sensor in my 2005 E320 4matic is failing.
Hard,starting & throwing code. Will have Indy replace it after holiday. Had
to postpone trip to PA to visit family.
Anyone BTDT?

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[MBZ] Test of Adhesives

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Here's a test of various adhesives on various substrates with very 
interesting results!  Wait til you see how JB Weld does with ceramic tile!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgdfGDfuW24

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Re: [MBZ] Remember Ed Sullivan? 280SE 3/5 on BAT

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Brought 95k

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 27, 2018 10:15 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
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> Famous TV host who introduced the Beatles and Elvis to America.  Well, he
> owned this 3.5 coupe from 1971- 1978.  Recent restoration cost $105k. I
> wonder what the reserve price is...  Too bad it's such a boring color
> combination. Tunis beige usually is paired with cognac leather interior,
> which adds some pizzaz.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mercedes-benz-
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Re: [MBZ] NOW - LIST MOM WARNING - Was: Least educated state

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Well Mountain Man if this  were a political list your suggestion would
work. But it is,a MERCEDES list not a political list
 Sorry  but I am channelling Dr.Booth.
Dwight

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On Dec 27, 2018 3:36 PM, "Mountain Man via Mercedes" 
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> Dan wrote:
> > The political sniping will stop. Now.
>
> Things have devolved to require this.
> All sides can be more permissive, it seems??
> ...i.e. less hurt directed AND less hurt taken.
> ...dunno...
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Re: [MBZ] Remember Ed Sullivan? 280SE 3/5 on BAT

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 11:35:36 -0500 (EST)
Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:

> I say $75k, reserve not met, but this happened once upon a time:
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mercedes-benz-280se-3-5-coupe/
> 
> Comments say:
> 
> 105btr 
> No rear compensator and no Topo Gigio on the dash.
> Pass.
> 
> Chas_H 
> For the big buck restoration, a new rear compensator should have been sourced 
> rather than the elevating spring which is present. Other than that, a very 
> nice car
> 
> Fffrank_Barrett
> That restoration invoice looks odd. First. most shops bill monthly, not just 
> once on completion. Second, they provide a lot more detail, not just a few 
> round numbers, and big ones, at that; $10K to install the engine and 
> transmission? I predict RNM. The 280SEL sedan will be expensive but a better 
> deal.
> 
> 
> Djminvestments 
> To Frank Barrett.. it is a estimate.
> 
> MitchHaley
> If it's an estimate, why do they call it a restoration receipt?
> 
> 
> > On December 27, 2018 at 10:59 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Perhaps - but who's to know?  So what's your prediction on the high bid?  I
> > say a smidge over $100k.
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As one who watched the show during the late forties/early fifties when there 
was very little of interest to watch on the flickering black and white TV's, I 
don't remember anything special about Sullivan except that he almost never 
smiled. He was called the "Great Stone Face" by his critics.
He never performed anything on his own; it was all about hyping the guest 
performers. He was a master showman when TV was a wondrous "new thing".
IMO the price is more dependent on the condition and rarity of the car rather 
than its connection to Ed Sullivan. However, if there are any rich old geezers 
bidding who loved early TV, it might make the reserve, but otherwise I'll say 
less than 50K.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Ok Don's Next Project

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Mitch writes:

>Reminds me of the guy with the over-the-top >Christmas light display

https://youtu.be/rp8lwpvQEIM

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[MBZ] White Whale Water Works

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think I found the leak.  See picture in this Google Drive folder.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM

The roof rack rail sits in a channel. In that channel there is a seam, sealed 
with caulk. Seam runs the length of the car. Caulk is old, cracking. Worse 
place was just by the A pillar, perfect point for letting water into the 
passenger side. 

I put fresh polyurethane caulk over it. 

Rain tomorrow, we'll see if this is the fix. 
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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

In your progressive area they would probably fine you for having an 
unlicensed accommodation


--FT


On 12/27/18 4:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I wouldn't mind having a limo in my driveway.  I would tell the neighbors
that my driver sleeps in the en suite.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


DIdn’t make reserve at $7,100.  Too bad, as that’a  pretty good price for
one of these, even with the BAT premium.  The market is so limited it’s
difficult to find a buyer for something like this.  People think they’re
cool but they don’t want a “limo” in their driveway.

-D



On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <

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I like it, but I think I’d rather have a 6 door w124.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:06 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Jaime should get this and dump that 140.
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On December 27, 2018 12:30:41 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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Does this look familiar to you?



https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-250-lw-long-wheel-base/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Hospital here was so generous they offered me 10% off if I paid in full with 30 
days. 
And the fee was so high they could have easily knocked off 60% and still gotten 
better than insurance allowance from a cash customer. 
Mitch. 

> On December 27, 2018 at 4:43 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> they’re going to beat you to death for the cost of your medical care.  I 
> wondered how much of a discount they would negotiate if you settled the day 
> you were discharged?

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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

No the crumpled hard plastic is on the doors and is not windlace. Windlace is 
on the B pillars and around door openings. 
The crumpled plastic stuff is only available through dealer/CC and is of 
limited availability color wise and may even be unobtainium at this point. I 
bought a piece for my China blue 240D once at an exhorbitant price and it 
proceeded to crumple only a year or two later so I’ve given up. Maybe one of 
use can make some castings in order to reproduce it!

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> To be clear  - the crumpled (shrunken) plastic trim around each of the
> windows on my W123 wagon can be replaced with this stuff?  And you make
> house calls in exchange for a large can of Narragansett?
> 
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>> Nice job WTG D.
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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That is not windlace.  Windlace is the fabric that goes around the opening of 
the door. You’re talking about the plastic material they put around the window 
frame on the W123s that shrivels up from age and UV exposure.  There is no fix 
for that, nor is the material available from Mercedes or anywhere else that I 
know of.  In most cases if it got shoddy looking I just pulled it off.  There’s 
a painted surface underneath that I believe is the body color.  It’s quite 
presentable.

-D


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> windows on my W123 wagon can be replaced with this stuff?  And you make
> house calls in exchange for a large can of Narragansett?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So we’re sitting at the admissions desk prior to one of the wife’s numerous 
(4?) cancer related surgeries.  There’s a little stand-up card thingy on the 
admissions’ person’s desk.  It reads something like this:

"If you do not have medical insurance to pay your bill, the hospital will bill 
you 10 days after your discharge.

If you pay the bill within 30 days we will discount it 40%

If you pay the bill within 10 days we will discount it 60%”

So basically what they’re saying is if you can’t pay your bill promptly, 
they’re going to beat you to death for the cost of your medical care.  I 
wondered how much of a discount they would negotiate if you settled the day you 
were discharged?

Grr.

-D



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> 
> In the medical business, apparently, the price is all you have, multiplied
> by your age.
> 
> Pretty sure something like that is the formula used. Anyone remember when
> you actually had a Doctor, instead of a "Health Maintenance Organization"?
> 
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> 
>> 
>>> On December 27, 2018 at 4:03 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's a start, but like with cars, nobody pays list price.
>> 
>> The local hospital here in Charlotte acts like everybody pays list price
>> unless they've got an insurance company to negotiate it in advance of need.
>> "Well, what do you charge Blue Cross? I'll give you a check for that, right
>> now." "What Blue Cross pays is none of your business. Just pay us 3x that
>> amount and quit asking questions".
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Thanks guys! 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[G Mann via Mercedes]

In the medical business, apparently, the price is all you have, multiplied
by your age.

Pretty sure something like that is the formula used. Anyone remember when
you actually had a Doctor, instead of a "Health Maintenance Organization"?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On December 27, 2018 at 4:03 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's a start, but like with cars, nobody pays list price.
>
> The local hospital here in Charlotte acts like everybody pays list price
> unless they've got an insurance company to negotiate it in advance of need.
> "Well, what do you charge Blue Cross? I'll give you a check for that, right
> now." "What Blue Cross pays is none of your business. Just pay us 3x that
> amount and quit asking questions".
>
> And, unfortunately, the 'real price' remains secret.
> But at least next week you can determine in advance how badly you're going
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

*In years past, hospitals have been mum when it comes to price lists
(changemasters), claiming they contained proprietary information or would
be too confusing for patients. *

Confusing?  Maybe because their prices are listed in crypto currency
equivalents.


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> It's a start, but like with cars, nobody pays list price.
>
> Allan
>
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
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> > I never liked to find out what the price is when I get the bill in the
> mail a month later, so...
> >
> > https://www.abc4.com/news/hospital-prices-are-going-public/1675480321
> >
> > Starting Jan. 1, every hospital nationwide will be required to post
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

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> On December 27, 2018 at 4:03 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's a start, but like with cars, nobody pays list price.

The local hospital here in Charlotte acts like everybody pays list price unless 
they've got an insurance company to negotiate it in advance of need. "Well, 
what do you charge Blue Cross? I'll give you a check for that, right now." 
"What Blue Cross pays is none of your business. Just pay us 3x that amount and 
quit asking questions".

And, unfortunately, the 'real price' remains secret. 
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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

To be clear  - the crumpled (shrunken) plastic trim around each of the
windows on my W123 wagon can be replaced with this stuff?  And you make
house calls in exchange for a large can of Narragansett?

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> Nice job WTG D.
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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wouldn't mind having a limo in my driveway.  I would tell the neighbors
that my driver sleeps in the en suite.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> DIdn’t make reserve at $7,100.  Too bad, as that’a  pretty good price for
> one of these, even with the BAT premium.  The market is so limited it’s
> difficult to find a buyer for something like this.  People think they’re
> cool but they don’t want a “limo” in their driveway.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I like it, but I think I’d rather have a 6 door w124.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:06 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jaime should get this and dump that 140.
> >> --
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> >> Charleston SC
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT intercooling options

[MG via Mercedes]

OK got it now. Not that I'll be going to a 
much larger turbo any time soon. ;-)

Maybe after I do a rebuild.

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

No its not valve overlap. Its just keeping the AFR where it belongs. Egt
goes up as afr goes down, which is opposite of gas. To get enough air
molecules into the motor to burn more fuel, you need higher air density. So
you need higher pressure at similar temp, or lower temp at the same
pressure, etc.

It only really matters at higher duty cycles, because the motor can
tolerate really high egt for short amounts of time. But if you want to be
safe, and you dont want to have to watch your egt like a hawk every time
you cane it, you do the math and provide a cushion with some headroom to
maintain a safe AFR for the motor even at max fuel. This is where most
designs fall short, because it requires a huge turbo to do it right, which
is tremendously laggy on a small displacement motor. It will idle, then
take forever to spool, and then when it does spool the alda adds 2x more
fuel at the same throttle position, which means it is undriveable for
anything except burnouts. An example would be the hx40, which people use to
good effect, but it is actually too small to give you enough air and clean
exhaust at the fuel levels required for 450hp. Smokes like hell for a few
seconds before spool, then goes like hell with high egt and still too much
smoke. Not a very refined package. Going to an hx52 just makes the low rpm
and spool characteristics worse, so it becomes undriveable.

Compounds give you the early spool so the throttle can be used at all rpms
to modulate the power - not just above 3000. Use a vnt or a small he221 or
hx30 with a 6cm housing to get early spool, then use that air mass to spool
the large turbo. The large turbo just pressurizes the room that the small
turbo lives in, so that it can flow 2-3x more air mass than it was designed
to.

This gets back to the intercooler air flow resistance question. Yes 80
lb/min is a huge volume at 14.7 psi. But at 60psia it is a lot less volume
and it flows just fine through the intercooler. Volume flow through the
motor per revolution remains constant. The manifold air density varies by a
factor of 3 or 4, depending upon how efficiently it is compressed and
cooled and what ambient temps are.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 9:46 AM MG via Mercedes 
So increased overlap on the valves to blow
cooling air through? I guess I have to read
up on a lot of that stuff. It's been a long
time. I'm only running around 14 or so on a
stock 617 engine with 313,000 miles on it.
Thinking of possibly adding propane injection
but no good place to put a tank in a station
wagon.

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Yes an egt probe is sort of a given with any added fuel. I may do a boost
controller to the alda pressure to regulate how and when it adds fuel.

With adequate intercooling, adding air (increasing AFR) cools the egt, so
maintaining 17:1 or higher is the goal to prevent excessive smoke. It

would

run a bit cooler at 18:1.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 6:43 AM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

Make sure you have EGT. 45psi is way up there
beyond piston melting range. might need
water/methanol injection also.

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Sent it from the wrong account so it bounced.

Great feedback Mitch. It is really just a packaging issue and

maximizing

frontal area on the car. I cannot fit a decent air to air coooler up

there

due to the curve of the bumper fascia and the existing bumper.

I will likely add another smaller water cooler in parallel in front of

the

right front wheel,  from an M4 or M5.

Only two differences I can think of from the Cruze. One is boost. I

will

be running up to 3 bar of boost, like 45 psi. That is a lot more heat

than

19psi, assuming similar motor displacement and rpm. My setup will

require

up to 80lb/min at full trot, which I do not plan to explore very

often,

but

I keep thinking that going up the grapevine when it is 90 degrees out

with

kids and wife and a car full of luggage and the AC on might want a lot

of

intercooler. That is pretty much my worst case scenario in terms of

heat

dissipation, unless I take it out on a road course, which would be a

lot of

fun and is sort of my gold standard for performance.

There are more variables to chase with air to water. Namely the water

flow

and the pressure/flow curve on the fluid pump. Most of the pumps used

are

low pressure, high flow. The heat exchangers become the bottleneck,

mostly

the radiator. So you need a good higher pressure pump like a Pierburg

50 or

100 series to make the required flow happen at 1 bar or whatever. I

think

some of the higher end mercs use them, and BMW also. This is only if

you

want it to keep up with the heat input at high sustained power output.
Otherwise, for short bursts of power, a big tank of water does the

trick

with a crappy pump.

I plan to fully instrument the thing. Unfortunately I have to add the
whole 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It's a start, but like with cars, nobody pays list price.

Allan

Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> I never liked to find out what the price is when I get the bill in the mail a 
> month later, so...
>
> https://www.abc4.com/news/hospital-prices-are-going-public/1675480321
>
> Starting Jan. 1, every hospital nationwide will be required to post standard 
> charges online for every item and every service they provide.
>

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Re: [MBZ] I just checked CL

[MG via Mercedes]

I wish I was closer to that TD up in VT. For 
$650 that is a nice clean car as far as rust 
goes, even if it doesn't have a title.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
for the first time in a few days and there are no low-end Benzes, no 
crackheads, no rolling turds, just some decent cars for too much money.  
What is the world coming to?  Christmas cheer?  I don't know, how long 
will it take to start indulging in my low entertainment source again?


Even the FB marketplace is dry of Benz crackheads, and that woman with 
the wrecked R129 says her crackhead kid wants $1k minimum for it.  I'll 
let that one simmer awhile, I couldn't go get it anyway for a few weeks.




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Re: [MBZ] OT intercooling options

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

No its not valve overlap. Its just keeping the AFR where it belongs. Egt
goes up as afr goes down, which is opposite of gas. To get enough air
molecules into the motor to burn more fuel, you need higher air density. So
you need higher pressure at similar temp, or lower temp at the same
pressure, etc.

It only really matters at higher duty cycles, because the motor can
tolerate really high egt for short amounts of time. But if you want to be
safe, and you dont want to have to watch your egt like a hawk every time
you cane it, you do the math and provide a cushion with some headroom to
maintain a safe AFR for the motor even at max fuel. This is where most
designs fall short, because it requires a huge turbo to do it right, which
is tremendously laggy on a small displacement motor. It will idle, then
take forever to spool, and then when it does spool the alda adds 2x more
fuel at the same throttle position, which means it is undriveable for
anything except burnouts. An example would be the hx40, which people use to
good effect, but it is actually too small to give you enough air and clean
exhaust at the fuel levels required for 450hp. Smokes like hell for a few
seconds before spool, then goes like hell with high egt and still too much
smoke. Not a very refined package. Going to an hx52 just makes the low rpm
and spool characteristics worse, so it becomes undriveable.

Compounds give you the early spool so the throttle can be used at all rpms
to modulate the power - not just above 3000. Use a vnt or a small he221 or
hx30 with a 6cm housing to get early spool, then use that air mass to spool
the large turbo. The large turbo just pressurizes the room that the small
turbo lives in, so that it can flow 2-3x more air mass than it was designed
to.

This gets back to the intercooler air flow resistance question. Yes 80
lb/min is a huge volume at 14.7 psi. But at 60psia it is a lot less volume
and it flows just fine through the intercooler. Volume flow through the
motor per revolution remains constant. The manifold air density varies by a
factor of 3 or 4, depending upon how efficiently it is compressed and
cooled and what ambient temps are.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 9:46 AM MG via Mercedes  So increased overlap on the valves to blow
> cooling air through? I guess I have to read
> up on a lot of that stuff. It's been a long
> time. I'm only running around 14 or so on a
> stock 617 engine with 313,000 miles on it.
> Thinking of possibly adding propane injection
> but no good place to put a tank in a station
> wagon.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yes an egt probe is sort of a given with any added fuel. I may do a boost
> > controller to the alda pressure to regulate how and when it adds fuel.
> >
> > With adequate intercooling, adding air (increasing AFR) cools the egt, so
> > maintaining 17:1 or higher is the goal to prevent excessive smoke. It
> would
> > run a bit cooler at 18:1.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 6:43 AM MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >> Make sure you have EGT. 45psi is way up there
> >> beyond piston melting range. might need
> >> water/methanol injection also.
> >>
> >> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Sent it from the wrong account so it bounced.
> >>>
> >>> Great feedback Mitch. It is really just a packaging issue and
> maximizing
>  frontal area on the car. I cannot fit a decent air to air coooler up
> >> there
>  due to the curve of the bumper fascia and the existing bumper.
> 
>  I will likely add another smaller water cooler in parallel in front of
> >> the
>  right front wheel,  from an M4 or M5.
> 
>  Only two differences I can think of from the Cruze. One is boost. I
> will
>  be running up to 3 bar of boost, like 45 psi. That is a lot more heat
> >> than
>  19psi, assuming similar motor displacement and rpm. My setup will
> >> require
>  up to 80lb/min at full trot, which I do not plan to explore very
> often,
> >> but
>  I keep thinking that going up the grapevine when it is 90 degrees out
> >> with
>  kids and wife and a car full of luggage and the AC on might want a lot
> >> of
>  intercooler. That is pretty much my worst case scenario in terms of
> heat
>  dissipation, unless I take it out on a road course, which would be a
> >> lot of
>  fun and is sort of my gold standard for performance.
> 
>  There are more variables to chase with air to water. Namely the water
> >> flow
>  and the pressure/flow curve on the fluid pump. Most of the pumps used
> >> are
>  low pressure, high flow. The heat exchangers become the bottleneck,
> >> mostly
>  the radiator. So you need a good higher pressure pump like a Pierburg
> >> 50 or
>  100 series to make the required flow happen at 1 bar or whatever. I
> >> think
>  some of the higher end mercs use them, and BMW also. This is only if
> you
>  want it to keep up with the heat input at high sustained power output.
>  Otherwise, for short 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Seems like a great idea to me. The health car business these days is a big scam 
that ruins people’s lives. Aside from the astronomical costs, you never really 
know what you are paying for or even if you received what you are supposedly 
being billed for. You go the the doctor or the hospital and start receiving 
bills for things even before it has been sent to insurance. You are never 
really sure if it’s a bill you should pay or if insurance paid it. In many 
cases all the sudden you start getting bills from collection agencies who 
suddenly put this on your credit report and you have no idea what it even is. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I never liked to find out what the price is when I get the bill in the mail a 
> month later, so...
> 
> https://www.abc4.com/news/hospital-prices-are-going-public/1675480321
> 
> Starting Jan. 1, every hospital nationwide will be required to post standard 
> charges online for every item and every service they provide.
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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

Nice job WTG D.

On Thu,12/27/18 12:21, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:

Before and after and then installed on car.



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[MBZ] OT: Truth in hospital pricing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I never liked to find out what the price is when I get the bill in the mail a 
month later, so...

https://www.abc4.com/news/hospital-prices-are-going-public/1675480321

Starting Jan. 1, every hospital nationwide will be required to post standard 
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Re: [MBZ] NOW - LIST MOM WARNING - Was: Least educated state

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Dan wrote:
> The political sniping will stop. Now.

Things have devolved to require this.
All sides can be more permissive, it seems??
...i.e. less hurt directed AND less hurt taken.
...dunno...
tin.man

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[MBZ] I just checked CL

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

for the first time in a few days and there are no low-end Benzes, no 
crackheads, no rolling turds, just some decent cars for too much money.  
What is the world coming to?  Christmas cheer?  I don't know, how long 
will it take to start indulging in my low entertainment source again?


Even the FB marketplace is dry of Benz crackheads, and that woman with 
the wrecked R129 says her crackhead kid wants $1k minimum for it.  I'll 
let that one simmer awhile, I couldn't go get it anyway for a few weeks.


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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 14:34:28 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Very nice!
> 
> I now recall how the W123 and later windlace is constructed -
> definitely different from the way the old stuff is done.

What is the difference?


Craig

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[MBZ] White Whale Water Works

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Today I had resolved to use the nice weather and time off from work to
address the water leaking into my '87 wagon.

Dan had early offered that the nuts holding down the roof rails were not
too bad to get to, just pull back the headliner a bit by the doors and the
rear luggage compatment (no need to remove the headliner).  But then Dan
mis-remembered (it turns out, luckily for me) that some of the hardware is
hidden under the sunroof pan, and I went back to Plan A which was to caulk
the edges of the roof rails down on the exterior of the car, which would
look rather tacky but might solve my leak.

I decide to take a peak "just to make sure" and was very happy to find the
Dan was right the first time, removing the roof rails doesn't look too
terrible.  According to the service manual, I will also need to remove the
rear hatch struts, but I've BTDT and have the tools.

Now you know what and where I'll be for the next few hours
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

DIdn’t make reserve at $7,100.  Too bad, as that’a  pretty good price for one 
of these, even with the BAT premium.  The market is so limited it’s difficult 
to find a buyer for something like this.  People think they’re cool but they 
don’t want a “limo” in their driveway.

-D


> On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like it, but I think I’d rather have a 6 door w124.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:06 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jaime should get this and dump that 140.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On December 27, 2018 12:30:41 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> Does this look familiar to you?
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-250-lw-long-wheel-base/
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Very nice!

I now recall how the W123 and later windlace is constructed - definitely 
different from the way the old stuff is done.

Thanks for sharing this!

Dan


> On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 13:21:15 -0500 Dimitri via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Before and after and then installed on car.
> 
> It looks great, Dimitri!
> 
> 
> Craig
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[MBZ] NOW - LIST MOM WARNING - Was: Least educated state

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m going to put this out to everyone - it is not directed at you, another 
party, or anyone specific.

The political sniping will stop. Now.  It drives other members away and creates 
a caustic environment, which is not appropriate for this list.

I have full pooferator powers and I will gladly engage them in future instances 
should they occur.  If you can’t conduct yourself appropriately, go somewhere 
else. I don’t care how discreet or insignificant the comment seems, if it’s 
political in nature, you will be placed on moderation until you can conduct 
yourself appropriately.

You have been warned, and it is a final warning.  I’m tired of the “most right” 
crap that’s been taking place.  It’s childish at best and a direct attempt to 
slip past what is considered acceptable subject matter.  Take it to Banned or 
somewhere else.  It doesn’t belong here.

‘nuf said.

ListMom


> On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You will by now have observed that one party - not I - is consistently
> injecting his brand of politics into any discussion, no matter how tenuous
> the connection.  If he stops doing this then I will have no reason to
> object, and we can all peacefully and fruitfully coexist.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 12:07 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Or take it to banned. We would love to discuss it there.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Knock it off, you two.  Take it private if you want to continue this
>> line.
>>> 
>>> -D ListMom
>>> 
 On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Oh get over it.
 
 On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Oh! but Bummer the messiah knows better than YOU!
> 
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 7:52 AM:
>> Does that mean that you also are no longer eligible for
>> time-and-a-half
>> overtime pay?  That happened at my place of employment back during the
>> B.H.O. regime, really was a major pay cut for many of us.
>> 
>> I used to run teams that went to client sites and installed LAN
> equipment.
>> I did the math, it was cheaper for the client if I sent a smaller team
> and
>> then worked nights and weekends to get the job done early, and
>> beneficial
>> in many other ways.  My guys and gals loved it, they were TDY and
>> didn't
>> want to sit around the hotel, they'd rather be working, and getting
>> paid
>> 1.5 the normal hourly rate was very nice, on top of the per diem.
> Obummer
>> took that all away, moral plunged not only on my teams but across the
>> entire organization.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ok Don's Next Project

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

He lost his medical certificate after a heart attack, but still intended to 
finish his license after regaining his medical. I'm not sure if that was 
realistic or not, but that was his plan. 

IIRC, they cited him for a junk/inoperable vehicle, so he said 'oops' and hired 
an A to come out and put the wings on it. At that point it looked gorgeous, 
it was tied down, it was a decent distance back from the sidewalk, and IMO 
looked 10x better than any of the boats on trailers in the neighborhood. Zoning 
called it a hazard because it might take off in a high wind and fly into a 
house. It looked to me like it'd have to carry a substantial piece of the 
concrete driveway with it for that to happen. 

I got the idea he spent more time washing it than he did mowing his lawn. 

But the NIMBYS wanted it gone, and zoning enforcers had already declared it 
junk so they weren't going to back down just because he unjunked it. And thus 
the war began...

Reminds me of the guy with the over-the-top Christmas light display and his 
neighbors, aptly named Mr and Mrs Heck, who just had to spoil it. That guy was 
the sort to never back down too, especially after his brother who helped him 
create the extravagant display died. 

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/north/2005/12/22/Ross-won-t-pull-plug-on-brothers-holiday-lights/stories/200512220240

http://steelthismag.com/the-curious-case-of-bill-ansell/

> On December 27, 2018 at 1:42 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
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> 
> While I don’t like the city doing what they did, it’s really kind of stupid 
> of the guy to not just sell the thing if he can’t fly it anymore.

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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ask them to throw in a free chauffeur's hat in your size to seal the deal.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Yeah, I think someone is going to get a nice deal on that.  The “rust’ on
> the bottom edges of the rear doors is common on the LWB models, not sure
> why.  When I was looking for one in the early 2000s every one I looked at
> had this condition.  I’m wondering if they didn’t treat the metal on these
> the same as the rest of the car, which doesn’t really make sense unless
> they didn’t do the full body dip on these like they did with the sedans.
>
> I was watching this closely, as when it wasn’t even up to $3.5k I was
> seriously thinking about bidding.
>
> -D
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ok Don's Next Project

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While I don’t like the city doing what they did, it’s really kind of stupid of 
the guy to not just sell the thing if he can’t fly it anymore. 

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> On Dec 27, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Retrofit and repurpose as a lawn tractor!
> 
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 11:56 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Zoning?
>> Remember this old guy?
>> 
>> https://www.autoblog.com/2017/02/14/elderly-pilots-cessna-dismantled-city-officials/
>> 
>>> On December 27, 2018 at 10:06 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>>> Hauling that into your yard is a good way to find out about local zoning
>>> regulations.
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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 13:21:15 -0500 Dimitri via Mercedes
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> Before and after and then installed on car.

It looks great, Dimitri!


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Re: [MBZ] More w123 windlace porn

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Nice!

Dimitri via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 12:21 PM:

Before and after and then installed on car.





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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

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I like it, but I think I’d rather have a 6 door w124.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:06 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Jaime should get this and dump that 140.
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Jaime should get this and dump that 140. 
-- 
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On December 27, 2018 12:30:41 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Least educated state

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You will by now have observed that one party - not I - is consistently
injecting his brand of politics into any discussion, no matter how tenuous
the connection.  If he stops doing this then I will have no reason to
object, and we can all peacefully and fruitfully coexist.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 12:07 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Or take it to banned. We would love to discuss it there.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Knock it off, you two.  Take it private if you want to continue this
> line.
> >
> > -D ListMom
> >
> >> On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> Oh get over it.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh! but Bummer the messiah knows better than YOU!
> >>>
> >>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 7:52 AM:
>  Does that mean that you also are no longer eligible for
> time-and-a-half
>  overtime pay?  That happened at my place of employment back during the
>  B.H.O. regime, really was a major pay cut for many of us.
> 
>  I used to run teams that went to client sites and installed LAN
> >>> equipment.
>  I did the math, it was cheaper for the client if I sent a smaller team
> >>> and
>  then worked nights and weekends to get the job done early, and
> beneficial
>  in many other ways.  My guys and gals loved it, they were TDY and
> didn't
>  want to sit around the hotel, they'd rather be working, and getting
> paid
>  1.5 the normal hourly rate was very nice, on top of the per diem.
> >>> Obummer
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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I think someone is going to get a nice deal on that.  The “rust’ on the 
bottom edges of the rear doors is common on the LWB models, not sure why.  When 
I was looking for one in the early 2000s every one I looked at had this 
condition.  I’m wondering if they didn’t treat the metal on these the same as 
the rest of the car, which doesn’t really make sense unless they didn’t do the 
full body dip on these like they did with the sedans.

I was watching this closely, as when it wasn’t even up to $3.5k I was seriously 
thinking about bidding.

-D

 
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Re: [MBZ] OT intercooling options

[MG via Mercedes]

So increased overlap on the valves to blow 
cooling air through? I guess I have to read 
up on a lot of that stuff. It's been a long 
time. I'm only running around 14 or so on a 
stock 617 engine with 313,000 miles on it. 
Thinking of possibly adding propane injection 
but no good place to put a tank in a station 
wagon.


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Yes an egt probe is sort of a given with any added fuel. I may do a boost
controller to the alda pressure to regulate how and when it adds fuel.

With adequate intercooling, adding air (increasing AFR) cools the egt, so
maintaining 17:1 or higher is the goal to prevent excessive smoke. It would
run a bit cooler at 18:1.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 6:43 AM MG via Mercedes 
Make sure you have EGT. 45psi is way up there
beyond piston melting range. might need
water/methanol injection also.

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Sent it from the wrong account so it bounced.

Great feedback Mitch. It is really just a packaging issue and maximizing

frontal area on the car. I cannot fit a decent air to air coooler up

there

due to the curve of the bumper fascia and the existing bumper.

I will likely add another smaller water cooler in parallel in front of

the

right front wheel,  from an M4 or M5.

Only two differences I can think of from the Cruze. One is boost. I will
be running up to 3 bar of boost, like 45 psi. That is a lot more heat

than

19psi, assuming similar motor displacement and rpm. My setup will

require

up to 80lb/min at full trot, which I do not plan to explore very often,

but

I keep thinking that going up the grapevine when it is 90 degrees out

with

kids and wife and a car full of luggage and the AC on might want a lot

of

intercooler. That is pretty much my worst case scenario in terms of heat
dissipation, unless I take it out on a road course, which would be a

lot of

fun and is sort of my gold standard for performance.

There are more variables to chase with air to water. Namely the water

flow

and the pressure/flow curve on the fluid pump. Most of the pumps used

are

low pressure, high flow. The heat exchangers become the bottleneck,

mostly

the radiator. So you need a good higher pressure pump like a Pierburg

50 or

100 series to make the required flow happen at 1 bar or whatever. I

think

some of the higher end mercs use them, and BMW also. This is only if you
want it to keep up with the heat input at high sustained power output.
Otherwise, for short bursts of power, a big tank of water does the trick
with a crappy pump.

I plan to fully instrument the thing. Unfortunately I have to add the
whole setup to the car, as none of the required sensors are in place,

e.g.

TPS, IAT, ambient temp, pre/post intercooler water and air temps. And

the

turbo rpms to see where it is running on its map. I should be able to
calculate cooler and turbo compressor efficiencies for both turbos.

Thanks again for the graph. Cool Cruze! (but no diesel? What kind of

motor

does it have?)



On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 4:04 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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On December 25, 2018 at 7:55 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Switching to air/water. Not stock. Maybe people have some input on

heat

exchangers...

https://youtu.be/kjTc9UYTlFk


I find it hard to get excited about water/air.
If I had a rear or mid engine car it might be necessary.

Attached is a screenshot of a 8 second full throttle hillclimb in a

195hp

gasser at 19psi boost with a factory A-A intercooler smaller than the

one

that came with the 1999 E300.
Pic of cooler:

https://www.gmoutletparts.com/oem-parts/gm-cooler-39116550

I can measure the cooler if you want.

Ambient temp was 30-32 degrees F, manifold temp actually dropped from

43

to 39 during the run as the car accelerated to 70mph. Water temp stayed
pretty constant at 181-183.
If manifold temps with that little A-A are about 10 degrees above
ambient, I don't think you're going to beat that with W-A unless you're
towing heavy loads at low speed and have a lot of room up front for

coolers.

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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

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Oh. You've seen it. Just saw your comments. 

Rick


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[MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Does this look familiar to you?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-250-lw-long-wheel-base/

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Re: [MBZ] Least educated state

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Or take it to banned. We would love to discuss it there. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Knock it off, you two.  Take it private if you want to continue this line.
> 
> -D ListMom
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh get over it.
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh! but Bummer the messiah knows better than YOU!
>>> 
>>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 7:52 AM:
 Does that mean that you also are no longer eligible for time-and-a-half
 overtime pay?  That happened at my place of employment back during the
 B.H.O. regime, really was a major pay cut for many of us.
 
 I used to run teams that went to client sites and installed LAN
>>> equipment.
 I did the math, it was cheaper for the client if I sent a smaller team
>>> and
 then worked nights and weekends to get the job done early, and beneficial
 in many other ways.  My guys and gals loved it, they were TDY and didn't
 want to sit around the hotel, they'd rather be working, and getting paid
 1.5 the normal hourly rate was very nice, on top of the per diem.
>>> Obummer
 took that all away, moral plunged not only on my teams but across the
 entire organization.
 -
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Re: [MBZ] Ok Don's Next Project

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Retrofit and repurpose as a lawn tractor!

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> Zoning?
> Remember this old guy?
>
> https://www.autoblog.com/2017/02/14/elderly-pilots-cessna-dismantled-city-officials/
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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Finnie Blog Post

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sorry, but no.  I would rather have a cam fail over time than introduce little 
bits of JB Weld into the engine.

I’ve seen much worse on engines with far less mileage on them.

-D


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> Yes, but no idea how long it would last. I suspect it can't hurt and there's 
> a possibility it will delay wear on the valve followers.   Dan should 
> experiment for us. 
> -- 
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> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On December 27, 2018 11:26:47 AM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
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>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 09:00:15 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
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>>> You can fill in those pits on the cam lobes with JB Weld.
>> 
>> Really?!
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Re: [MBZ] Remember Ed Sullivan? 280SE 3/5 on BAT

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Yeah, the silver one was primo.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 11:36 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> I say $75k, reserve not met, but this happened once upon a time:
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mercedes-benz-280se-3-5-coupe/
>
> Comments say:
>
> 105btr
> No rear compensator and no Topo Gigio on the dash.
> Pass.
>
>
> Chas_H
> For the big buck restoration, a new rear compensator should have been
> sourced rather than the elevating spring which is present. Other than that,
> a very nice car
>
>
> Fffrank_Barrett
> That restoration invoice looks odd. First. most shops bill monthly, not
> just once on completion. Second, they provide a lot more detail, not just a
> few round numbers, and big ones, at that; $10K to install the engine and
> transmission? I predict RNM. The 280SEL sedan will be expensive but a
> better deal.
>
>
> Djminvestments
> To Frank Barrett.. it is a estimate.
>
> MitchHaley
> If it's an estimate, why do they call it a restoration receipt?
>
>
> > On December 27, 2018 at 10:59 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Perhaps - but who's to know?  So what's your prediction on the high
> bid?  I
> > say a smidge over $100k.
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Re: [MBZ] Ok Don's Next Project

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Zoning?
Remember this old guy?
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/02/14/elderly-pilots-cessna-dismantled-city-officials/

> On December 27, 2018 at 10:06 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hauling that into your yard is a good way to find out about local zoning
> regulations.

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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Finnie Blog Post

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, but no idea how long it would last. I suspect it can't hurt and there's a 
possibility it will delay wear on the valve followers.   Dan should experiment 
for us. 
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On December 27, 2018 11:26:47 AM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 09:00:15 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> You can fill in those pits on the cam lobes with JB Weld.
>
>Really?!
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Ok Don's Next Project

[OK Don via Mercedes]

No zoning here at all. That would look cool sitting by the hangar, but out
of place, since the runway is too short and grass.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:52 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Since OK Don lives on a runway, I doubt he'd have a problem.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 9:06 AM:
> > Hauling that into your yard is a good way to find out about local zoning
> > regulations.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 10:10 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Finnie Blog Post

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> On December 27, 2018 at 11:26 AM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 09:00:15 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > You can fill in those pits on the cam lobes with JB Weld.
> 
> Really?!

He said you can do it, he didn't say it solves anything. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Remember Ed Sullivan? 280SE 3/5 on BAT

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I say $75k, reserve not met, but this happened once upon a time:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mercedes-benz-280se-3-5-coupe/

Comments say:

105btr 
No rear compensator and no Topo Gigio on the dash.
Pass.


Chas_H 
For the big buck restoration, a new rear compensator should have been sourced 
rather than the elevating spring which is present. Other than that, a very nice 
car


Fffrank_Barrett
That restoration invoice looks odd. First. most shops bill monthly, not just 
once on completion. Second, they provide a lot more detail, not just a few 
round numbers, and big ones, at that; $10K to install the engine and 
transmission? I predict RNM. The 280SEL sedan will be expensive but a better 
deal.


Djminvestments 
To Frank Barrett.. it is a estimate.

MitchHaley
If it's an estimate, why do they call it a restoration receipt?


> On December 27, 2018 at 10:59 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Perhaps - but who's to know?  So what's your prediction on the high bid?  I
> say a smidge over $100k.

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Re: [MBZ] Remember Ed Sullivan? 280SE 3/5 on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

They DO know!  There is chat about how the original hydropneumatic
compensator was replaced with a much cheaper spring kit.  BAD IDEA.  I
replaced my 3.5 coupe spring kit with a NOS compensator (paid $400 IIRC)
and it rode way better.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:59 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Perhaps - but who's to know?  So what's your prediction on the high bid?
> I say a smidge over $100k.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> This car has been on the market at over $90k for the last year or so with
>> no takers.
>>
>> First, the “restoration” was totally insane if they truly invested that
>> kind of money into it.  Second, many of the people who would care about the
>> provenance are dead or no longer driving.  And I have it on background that
>> the “restoration” was poorly done, that is, there are a lot of things that
>> are not correct on the car.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Famous TV host who introduced the Beatles and Elvis to America.  Well,
>> he
>> > owned this 3.5 coupe from 1971- 1978.  Recent restoration cost $105k. I
>> > wonder what the reserve price is...  Too bad it's such a boring color
>> > combination. Tunis beige usually is paired with cognac leather interior,
>> > which adds some pizzaz.
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Finnie Blog Post

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 09:00:15 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> You can fill in those pits on the cam lobes with JB Weld.

Really?!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Remember Ed Sullivan? 280SE 3/5 on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Perhaps - but who's to know?  So what's your prediction on the high bid?  I
say a smidge over $100k.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This car has been on the market at over $90k for the last year or so with
> no takers.
>
> First, the “restoration” was totally insane if they truly invested that
> kind of money into it.  Second, many of the people who would care about the
> provenance are dead or no longer driving.  And I have it on background that
> the “restoration” was poorly done, that is, there are a lot of things that
> are not correct on the car.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Famous TV host who introduced the Beatles and Elvis to America.  Well, he
> > owned this 3.5 coupe from 1971- 1978.  Recent restoration cost $105k. I
> > wonder what the reserve price is...  Too bad it's such a boring color
> > combination. Tunis beige usually is paired with cognac leather interior,
> > which adds some pizzaz.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Ok Don's Next Project

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Since OK Don lives on a runway, I doubt he'd have a problem.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 9:06 AM:

Hauling that into your yard is a good way to find out about local zoning
regulations.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 10:10 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] New Car!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

In the short term sure but based on other vehicles I expect to hold this one a 
good long time and many miles so long term it should come out okay.
I paid way less than half what it would have cost new.

Curt
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  On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   May it do well for you!   I suppose 
its cost per mile will be more than 
the cost per mile of the old one.   Progress...

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 12/26/18 6:35 PM:
> I don't remember if I mentioned that my Jetta was sick. A couple weeks ago 
> the alternator quit. It'd been on the way out for awhile, it wouldn't make 
> power until you took it to 3,000rpm. I'm sure this wasn't helped by Angie 
> killing the battery last month.
> Today I picked up a 2015 Jetta TDI. Its the 2.0l common rail engine which I 
> think started life at 150hp but is detuned to, I think, 140hp. In the spring 
> I'm thinking of a stage 2 tune which is supposed to be 160hp at the wheels. 
> In the short term I need to find some wheels to put snow tires on, its got 
> plenty of power, I'm sure it'll spin the tires when its slippery.
> The 6spd manual is fun to drive, 5th is like "4th and a half", good for 
> climbing hills although it goes well in 6th too. We've got some fair sized 
> hills here, a couple a 240D couldn't maintain speed up that this car climbs 
> fine in 6th. On the way home (20 miles maybe) the instant read mpg gauge got 
> up to 46.5mpg, I've read that 50 is achievable. My commute generally makes 
> good mileage, we'll know more in a month or two.
> Pics on my blog: http://curtsotherblog.blogspot.com
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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Finnie Blog Post

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, well, I’m not that worried about them just yet….

-D


> On Dec 27, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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> You can fill in those pits on the cam lobes with JB Weld.
> -
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Re: [MBZ] Fun With Finnie Blog Post

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They appear to be large round rubber grommets that are forced into oblong 
holes, so I’m thinking I could go over to my wonderful neighborhood Ace 
Hardware and look in their “majik drawers” to find something that would fit.

-D


> On Dec 27, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Can you make a mold from a petrified bushing and cast new ones?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OujOF2COEE
> 
>> On December 27, 2018 at 5:54 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> There’s a hole for it in the cage.  That wasn’t as big a deal as having it 
>> in the piece of tubing that precedes the “cage”.  What sucks about the cage 
>> is that the rubber (now totally petrified) bushings for the openings where 
>> the wires exit it are not available as separate parts.  I think I still have 
>> four of them intact.
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Re: [MBZ] Least educated state

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Knock it off, you two.  Take it private if you want to continue this line.

-D ListMom

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh get over it.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh! but Bummer the messiah knows better than YOU!
>> 
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 7:52 AM:
>>> Does that mean that you also are no longer eligible for time-and-a-half
>>> overtime pay?  That happened at my place of employment back during the
>>> B.H.O. regime, really was a major pay cut for many of us.
>>> 
>>> I used to run teams that went to client sites and installed LAN
>> equipment.
>>> I did the math, it was cheaper for the client if I sent a smaller team
>> and
>>> then worked nights and weekends to get the job done early, and beneficial
>>> in many other ways.  My guys and gals loved it, they were TDY and didn't
>>> want to sit around the hotel, they'd rather be working, and getting paid
>>> 1.5 the normal hourly rate was very nice, on top of the per diem.
>> Obummer
>>> took that all away, moral plunged not only on my teams but across the
>>> entire organization.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Least educated state

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Take it off list... this shit doesn't belong here.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The state with the highest % of people over 25 with the highest level of
> education 9th grade or less.  (Most ignorant state)
>
> And the winner is:
>
>
> California!   Big surprise!
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Re: [MBZ] Remember Ed Sullivan? 280SE 3/5 on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This car has been on the market at over $90k for the last year or so with no 
takers.

First, the “restoration” was totally insane if they truly invested that kind of 
money into it.  Second, many of the people who would care about the provenance 
are dead or no longer driving.  And I have it on background that the 
“restoration” was poorly done, that is, there are a lot of things that are not 
correct on the car.

-D



> On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Famous TV host who introduced the Beatles and Elvis to America.  Well, he
> owned this 3.5 coupe from 1971- 1978.  Recent restoration cost $105k. I
> wonder what the reserve price is...  Too bad it's such a boring color
> combination. Tunis beige usually is paired with cognac leather interior,
> which adds some pizzaz.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Least educated state

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The majority of the positions were salaried or were not eligible for overtime 
based on Federal labor laws that have been in place for some years.

-D


> On Dec 27, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does that mean that you also are no longer eligible for time-and-a-half
> overtime pay?  That happened at my place of employment back during the
> B.H.O. regime, really was a major pay cut for many of us.
> 
> I used to run teams that went to client sites and installed LAN equipment.
> I did the math, it was cheaper for the client if I sent a smaller team and
> then worked nights and weekends to get the job done early, and beneficial
> in many other ways.  My guys and gals loved it, they were TDY and didn't
> want to sit around the hotel, they'd rather be working, and getting paid
> 1.5 the normal hourly rate was very nice, on top of the per diem.  Obummer
> took that all away, moral plunged not only on my teams but across the
> entire organization.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:34 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The Teamsters got a vote scheduled for earlier this year.  Before they
>> could even print the ballots, the County did a “reclassification” of most
>> employees and changed us to “Unclassified” status.  This means we’re all
>> management and are at-will employees.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Least educated state

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Oh get over it.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh! but Bummer the messiah knows better than YOU!
>
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 7:52 AM:
> > Does that mean that you also are no longer eligible for time-and-a-half
> > overtime pay?  That happened at my place of employment back during the
> > B.H.O. regime, really was a major pay cut for many of us.
> >
> > I used to run teams that went to client sites and installed LAN
> equipment.
> > I did the math, it was cheaper for the client if I sent a smaller team
> and
> > then worked nights and weekends to get the job done early, and beneficial
> > in many other ways.  My guys and gals loved it, they were TDY and didn't
> > want to sit around the hotel, they'd rather be working, and getting paid
> > 1.5 the normal hourly rate was very nice, on top of the per diem.
> Obummer
> > took that all away, moral plunged not only on my teams but across the
> > entire organization.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Remember Ed Sullivan? 280SE 3/5 on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Famous TV host who introduced the Beatles and Elvis to America.  Well, he
owned this 3.5 coupe from 1971- 1978.  Recent restoration cost $105k. I
wonder what the reserve price is...  Too bad it's such a boring color
combination. Tunis beige usually is paired with cognac leather interior,
which adds some pizzaz.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mercedes-benz-280se-coupe-3-5-2/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-12-27
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Re: [MBZ] OT intercooling options

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes an egt probe is sort of a given with any added fuel. I may do a boost
controller to the alda pressure to regulate how and when it adds fuel.

With adequate intercooling, adding air (increasing AFR) cools the egt, so
maintaining 17:1 or higher is the goal to prevent excessive smoke. It would
run a bit cooler at 18:1.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 6:43 AM MG via Mercedes  Make sure you have EGT. 45psi is way up there
> beyond piston melting range. might need
> water/methanol injection also.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Sent it from the wrong account so it bounced.
> >
> > Great feedback Mitch. It is really just a packaging issue and maximizing
> >> frontal area on the car. I cannot fit a decent air to air coooler up
> there
> >> due to the curve of the bumper fascia and the existing bumper.
> >>
> >> I will likely add another smaller water cooler in parallel in front of
> the
> >> right front wheel,  from an M4 or M5.
> >>
> >> Only two differences I can think of from the Cruze. One is boost. I will
> >> be running up to 3 bar of boost, like 45 psi. That is a lot more heat
> than
> >> 19psi, assuming similar motor displacement and rpm. My setup will
> require
> >> up to 80lb/min at full trot, which I do not plan to explore very often,
> but
> >> I keep thinking that going up the grapevine when it is 90 degrees out
> with
> >> kids and wife and a car full of luggage and the AC on might want a lot
> of
> >> intercooler. That is pretty much my worst case scenario in terms of heat
> >> dissipation, unless I take it out on a road course, which would be a
> lot of
> >> fun and is sort of my gold standard for performance.
> >>
> >> There are more variables to chase with air to water. Namely the water
> flow
> >> and the pressure/flow curve on the fluid pump. Most of the pumps used
> are
> >> low pressure, high flow. The heat exchangers become the bottleneck,
> mostly
> >> the radiator. So you need a good higher pressure pump like a Pierburg
> 50 or
> >> 100 series to make the required flow happen at 1 bar or whatever. I
> think
> >> some of the higher end mercs use them, and BMW also. This is only if you
> >> want it to keep up with the heat input at high sustained power output.
> >> Otherwise, for short bursts of power, a big tank of water does the trick
> >> with a crappy pump.
> >>
> >> I plan to fully instrument the thing. Unfortunately I have to add the
> >> whole setup to the car, as none of the required sensors are in place,
> e.g.
> >> TPS, IAT, ambient temp, pre/post intercooler water and air temps. And
> the
> >> turbo rpms to see where it is running on its map. I should be able to
> >> calculate cooler and turbo compressor efficiencies for both turbos.
> >>
> >> Thanks again for the graph. Cool Cruze! (but no diesel? What kind of
> motor
> >> does it have?)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 4:04 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> >>
>  On December 25, 2018 at 7:55 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Switching to air/water. Not stock. Maybe people have some input on
> heat
>  exchangers...
> 
>  https://youtu.be/kjTc9UYTlFk
> 
> >>> I find it hard to get excited about water/air.
> >>> If I had a rear or mid engine car it might be necessary.
> >>>
> >>> Attached is a screenshot of a 8 second full throttle hillclimb in a
> 195hp
> >>> gasser at 19psi boost with a factory A-A intercooler smaller than the
> one
> >>> that came with the 1999 E300.
> >>> Pic of cooler:
> https://www.gmoutletparts.com/oem-parts/gm-cooler-39116550
> >>> I can measure the cooler if you want.
> >>>
> >>> Ambient temp was 30-32 degrees F, manifold temp actually dropped from
> 43
> >>> to 39 during the run as the car accelerated to 70mph. Water temp stayed
> >>> pretty constant at 181-183.
> >>> If manifold temps with that little A-A are about 10 degrees above
> >>> ambient, I don't think you're going to beat that with W-A unless you're
> >>> towing heavy loads at low speed and have a lot of room up front for
> coolers.
> >>>
> >>> With an unladen car, you simply can't keep your foot in it for long
> >>> without airspeed reaching 'wow, look at that
> >>> cooling'.___
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Re: [MBZ] Ok Don's Next Project

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hauling that into your yard is a good way to find out about local zoning
regulations.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 10:10 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F254016643432
>
> Rick
>
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Re: [MBZ] New Car!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Exactly. Ruling out the use of b100 because it vaporizes differently than 
diesel fuel and will contaminate crankcase oil.
And it wastes fuel.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: December 27, 2018 8:27 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Car!


And manufacturers are too cheap to put an injector in the exhaust, so they fuel 
the DPF by dumping diesel into the cylinder(s) on the exhaust stroke. I'm of 
the opinion that interferes with cylinder wall lubrication and causes fuel 
dilution of the oil.
Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Least educated state

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Oh! but Bummer the messiah knows better than YOU!

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 7:52 AM:

Does that mean that you also are no longer eligible for time-and-a-half
overtime pay?  That happened at my place of employment back during the
B.H.O. regime, really was a major pay cut for many of us.

I used to run teams that went to client sites and installed LAN equipment.
I did the math, it was cheaper for the client if I sent a smaller team and
then worked nights and weekends to get the job done early, and beneficial
in many other ways.  My guys and gals loved it, they were TDY and didn't
want to sit around the hotel, they'd rather be working, and getting paid
1.5 the normal hourly rate was very nice, on top of the per diem.  Obummer
took that all away, moral plunged not only on my teams but across the
entire organization.
-
Max
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] OT intercooling options

[MG via Mercedes]

Make sure you have EGT. 45psi is way up there 
beyond piston melting range. might need 
water/methanol injection also.


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Sent it from the wrong account so it bounced.

Great feedback Mitch. It is really just a packaging issue and maximizing

frontal area on the car. I cannot fit a decent air to air coooler up there
due to the curve of the bumper fascia and the existing bumper.

I will likely add another smaller water cooler in parallel in front of the
right front wheel,  from an M4 or M5.

Only two differences I can think of from the Cruze. One is boost. I will
be running up to 3 bar of boost, like 45 psi. That is a lot more heat than
19psi, assuming similar motor displacement and rpm. My setup will require
up to 80lb/min at full trot, which I do not plan to explore very often, but
I keep thinking that going up the grapevine when it is 90 degrees out with
kids and wife and a car full of luggage and the AC on might want a lot of
intercooler. That is pretty much my worst case scenario in terms of heat
dissipation, unless I take it out on a road course, which would be a lot of
fun and is sort of my gold standard for performance.

There are more variables to chase with air to water. Namely the water flow
and the pressure/flow curve on the fluid pump. Most of the pumps used are
low pressure, high flow. The heat exchangers become the bottleneck, mostly
the radiator. So you need a good higher pressure pump like a Pierburg 50 or
100 series to make the required flow happen at 1 bar or whatever. I think
some of the higher end mercs use them, and BMW also. This is only if you
want it to keep up with the heat input at high sustained power output.
Otherwise, for short bursts of power, a big tank of water does the trick
with a crappy pump.

I plan to fully instrument the thing. Unfortunately I have to add the
whole setup to the car, as none of the required sensors are in place, e.g.
TPS, IAT, ambient temp, pre/post intercooler water and air temps. And the
turbo rpms to see where it is running on its map. I should be able to
calculate cooler and turbo compressor efficiencies for both turbos.

Thanks again for the graph. Cool Cruze! (but no diesel? What kind of motor
does it have?)



On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 4:04 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


On December 25, 2018 at 7:55 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Switching to air/water. Not stock. Maybe people have some input on heat
exchangers...

https://youtu.be/kjTc9UYTlFk


I find it hard to get excited about water/air.
If I had a rear or mid engine car it might be necessary.

Attached is a screenshot of a 8 second full throttle hillclimb in a 195hp
gasser at 19psi boost with a factory A-A intercooler smaller than the one
that came with the 1999 E300.
Pic of cooler: https://www.gmoutletparts.com/oem-parts/gm-cooler-39116550
I can measure the cooler if you want.

Ambient temp was 30-32 degrees F, manifold temp actually dropped from 43
to 39 during the run as the car accelerated to 70mph. Water temp stayed
pretty constant at 181-183.
If manifold temps with that little A-A are about 10 degrees above
ambient, I don't think you're going to beat that with W-A unless you're
towing heavy loads at low speed and have a lot of room up front for coolers.

With an unladen car, you simply can't keep your foot in it for long
without airspeed reaching 'wow, look at that
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I’ve been to that pahty 

--FT
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> On Dec 26, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Possibly the most Massachusetts (hey, I spelled it right first try) music 
> video ever made...
> -Curt
> 
>On Tuesday, December 25, 2018, 9:34:16 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> 
> Merry Christmas to all, and may all your little blighters refrain from 
> beaning Santa with iceballs, urinating in the stockings on the mantle, and 
> making Mentos volcanos on the dining room table. 
> 
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