Re: [MBZ] Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Max Dillon wrote:
> >
> > And I like the looks. Serious, all business, ugly like a real
> > truck should look.

> Craig wrote:
>
> You mean like the attached picture?

Its own kind of beauty.  Texas style bumper, chromed Vortex type
air cleaners, chicken lights on the air cleaner (7 light!) and
under the sleeper and doors, chrome stacks with West Coast curved
tips (5 inch pipe?)  Are those fuel tanks bigger than 150 gallon?
Looks like about a 70 inch stand-up Aerodyne sleeper.  A nice
looking W900!

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[MBZ] Think this will buff out?

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

https://anchorage.craigslist.org/cto/d/fairbanks-1965-daimler-250-saloon/6989425931.html

Nice enough project car that I could spiff up and put onto BaT

clay 



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Re: [MBZ] This is what a 4x4 should look like WUZ Re: Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The Bantam Recon vehicle that was $735 in 1940 is supposed to be worth 
$13,480 now, according to https://www.usinflationcalculator.com


That is at least a factor of 10 less than the cost of a real gwagon or a 
fake Lan Drover.


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 11:09 PM:

Icon makes new land rover copies now I think. I saw one earlier today. Over
100k for sure.




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Re: [MBZ] This is what a 4x4 should look like WUZ Re: Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

$13,500

http://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1940?amount=735


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is what a 4x4 should look like WUZ Re: Forget the $500 
S55 I'm going for this

The original jeep was $735 delivered.  (1940 dollars)   What's a 1940
dollar worth now?

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Re: [MBZ] This is what a 4x4 should look like WUZ Re: Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The original jeep was $735 delivered.  (1940 dollars)   What's a 1940 
dollar worth now?


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 11:09 PM:

Icon makes new land rover copies now I think. I saw one earlier today. Over
100k for sure.





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Re: [MBZ] This is what a 4x4 should look like WUZ Re: Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Icon makes new land rover copies now I think. I saw one earlier today. Over
100k for sure.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 6:51 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes my 1973 Land Rover was a REAL 4wd. Used to go over snowed over
> stonewalls on fire calls
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 9:26 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree with Max.   Form follows function.  However 100K plus for a
> > 4x4 is stupid.4x4s have gone off the rails since GM chopped off a
> > pickup and tried to pass it off as a 4x4.   Ford fatso continued the
> > problem.   (as did the dogde rumchugger)
> >
> >
> > These are examples of what a 4x4 should look like:
> >
> >
> >
> https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1962/international_harvester/scout/101214337
> >
> > Or
> >
> >
> >
> https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1967/land_rover/series_ii/101204715
> >
> > or
> >
> >
> >
> http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/ford/506806-1966-ford-bronco-u14-u100-half-cab-pickup-4x4-steel-hardtop-4wd-suv-bimini-top.html
> >
> > Or
> >
> > https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1960/ford/f100/100987993
> >
> > Or
> >
> > http://www.m201.com/bantam.htm
> >
> > Oh!  And I forgot the Dogde Power wagon of the 40s -60s  and the WC3
> > made in WWII seen here
> > https://www.usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/Chrysler/dodge-trucks.htm
> > (Scroll down)
> >
> > And, if you need something heavier, the IH R series 6x6 (or 10x10)
> >
> >
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 6:35 PM:
> > > And I like the looks. Serious, all business, ugly like a real truck
> > should look.
> > >
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Reminds me of a TV mystery where hospital patients died mysteriously day after 
day at about the same time.  It turned out that he cleanin lady unplugged 
ventilators temporarily so she could plug in the vacuum.

On a serious note, I have the important loads (well pump, fridge etc.) on a 
sub-panel that's connected to an automatic transfer switch.  The LP-fueled 
generator has logic to fire itself up and command the transfer switch.  Seems 
like solar systems should work like that too.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Dan> Penoff via Mercedes
> 
> NFPA 110 requirement, especially for hospitals or any Level 1 life safety 
> facility.
> Red outlets and covers designate a branch circuit connected to backup power
> source(s). Gotta make sure Grandpa’s respirator is plugged in to one of
> these….
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Re: [MBZ] Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

A lot more useful for the dollar than over $100K for a gussied up 
austrian MB.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 9:10 PM:

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 23:35:09 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:


And I like the looks. Serious, all business, ugly like a real truck
should look.

You mean like the attached picture?


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] This is what a 4x4 should look like WUZ Re: Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes my 1973 Land Rover was a REAL 4wd. Used to go over snowed over
stonewalls on fire calls

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 9:26 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I agree with Max.   Form follows function.  However 100K plus for a
> 4x4 is stupid.4x4s have gone off the rails since GM chopped off a
> pickup and tried to pass it off as a 4x4.   Ford fatso continued the
> problem.   (as did the dogde rumchugger)
>
>
> These are examples of what a 4x4 should look like:
>
>
> https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1962/international_harvester/scout/101214337
>
> Or
>
>
> https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1967/land_rover/series_ii/101204715
>
> or
>
>
> http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/ford/506806-1966-ford-bronco-u14-u100-half-cab-pickup-4x4-steel-hardtop-4wd-suv-bimini-top.html
>
> Or
>
> https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1960/ford/f100/100987993
>
> Or
>
> http://www.m201.com/bantam.htm
>
> Oh!  And I forgot the Dogde Power wagon of the 40s -60s  and the WC3
> made in WWII seen here
> https://www.usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/Chrysler/dodge-trucks.htm
> (Scroll down)
>
> And, if you need something heavier, the IH R series 6x6 (or 10x10)
>
>
> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 6:35 PM:
> > And I like the looks. Serious, all business, ugly like a real truck
> should look.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
>
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[MBZ] This is what a 4x4 should look like WUZ Re: Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I agree with Max.   Form follows function.  However 100K plus for a 
4x4 is stupid.    4x4s have gone off the rails since GM chopped off a 
pickup and tried to pass it off as a 4x4.   Ford fatso continued the 
problem.   (as did the dogde rumchugger)



These are examples of what a 4x4 should look like:

https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1962/international_harvester/scout/101214337

Or

https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1967/land_rover/series_ii/101204715

or

http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/ford/506806-1966-ford-bronco-u14-u100-half-cab-pickup-4x4-steel-hardtop-4wd-suv-bimini-top.html

Or

https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1960/ford/f100/100987993

Or

http://www.m201.com/bantam.htm

Oh!  And I forgot the Dogde Power wagon of the 40s -60s  and the WC3 
made in WWII seen here 
https://www.usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/Chrysler/dodge-trucks.htm 
(Scroll down)


And, if you need something heavier, the IH R series 6x6 (or 10x10)


Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 6:35 PM:

And I like the looks. Serious, all business, ugly like a real truck should look.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

EGBDF?

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 4:37 PM:

EVBF





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[MBZ] Crack Pipe 1982 Mercedes 240D Manny

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/d/portland-1982-mercedes-240d-manual/7002255460.html


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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

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Uh? "EVBF stands for Extreme Visual Basic Forum"

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> EVBF
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 18, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Haul it into a barn and it becomes an Exceedingly Valuable Barn Find.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 4:07 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Danno can have that polished in about a week!
> >>
> >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 2:48 PM:
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> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

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And I like the looks. Serious, all business, ugly like a real truck should look.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Fri Oct 18 15:03:44 EDT 2019 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
:
 
> Attractions are as follows:
> 
> 1. Better resale than any car pretty much
> 2. 5000lbs
> 3. Pretty durable. Lots of guys driving them hundreds of thousands of
> miles. Except the rust factor.
> 4. Can tow and offroad with the best; 3 diff locks.
> 5. Pretty good on the highway. Nothing steers like a solid front axle.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 9:24 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Ditto.
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 4:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I personally do not see the attraction. They are ugly boxes.
>>> I would much rather have a big old Mercedes diesel sedan and a newer
>>> domestic SUV with 4 wheel drive, for a whole lot less money.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 17/10/2019 2:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2718784478141694/
 
 2017 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class G 65 AMG Sport Utility 4D
 Myrtle Beach, SC· about a day ago
 <
 
>>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2718784478141694/?ref=product_details
>> 
>>> ·
>>> 
>>> 
 
 $123,000
 
  * About This Vehicle
  *
 
  *
  o
 
  o Driven 10,461 miles
  *
  o
 
  o Automatic transmission
  *
  o
 
  o Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
  *
  o
 
  o 11.0 MPG city · 13.0 MPG highway · 12.0 MPG combined
  *
  o
 
  o Excellent condition
 
 
  * Typical Features
  *
 
  *
  Leather Seats
  *
  Moon Roof
  *
  Navigation
  *
  Bluetooth
  *
 
 Seller's Description
 
 You can pay in all, or monthly.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

EVBF

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> On Oct 18, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Haul it into a barn and it becomes an Exceedingly Valuable Barn Find.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 4:07 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>> Danno can have that polished in about a week!
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 2:48 PM:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2428179447509769/
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Hey, isn't that your yard??

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Haul it into a barn and it becomes an Exceedingly Valuable Barn Find.

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> Danno can have that polished in about a week!
>
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 2:48 PM:
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> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 300D radiator fan shroud on 240D W123

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Tom at the Classic Center will know if the shrouds are the same

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 3:07 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
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> > Kevin wrote:
>
> > The sh***d has hit the fan on on the 1982 240D the other day, so
> > I’m in need of a shroud. I sourced one from a W123 300D and plan
> > to buy it if it will fit my car.
>
> I measured the cars I have.  Width and distance from the radiator
> (thickness?)
>
> 240 - 53 x 9 cm
> 300 - 55 x 7 cm
>
> I did not measure height.  Harder to measure and with the other
> dimensions I figured not needed.
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Re: [MBZ] I Just Don't Get It

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Someone should offer $2k just for kicks.

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> Dan suggests that the hubcaps may be original in Europe and the vendor
> does say it is a "euro import" so who knows???
>
> Randy
>
> On 18/10/2019 10:55 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:36:26 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/372802012584
> > Indeed, why he would think a 1978 240D would be worth $13,999.00, even
> > with new wheels, bumpers, added "steps" (or whatever they are), and only
> > 51088 miles on it makes no sense.
> >
> > He says it is mechanic-owned, but he apparently knows little about
> > Mercedes Benz automobiles. He says the VIN is 12081597; he apparently
> > means 123.123-12-081597, but he should know the difference.
> >
> > He also says, "The original wheels have been sand blasted and
> > professionally epoxy painted." One problem, though, is that those were
> > not the original wheels.
> >
> > "These cars were made when Mercedes was dead set on laser precise
> > manufacturing." Really?
> >
> > He also says the car spent most of its life in Texas, but says, "This
> > Mercedes is located 45 minutes north of Detroit." He makes no comment
> > about it not being driven during the winter and shows no pictures of the
> > engine or the underside.
> >
> > Hmm ...
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

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Danno can have that polished in about a week!

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 2:48 PM:

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[MBZ] Somebody needs this

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Re: [MBZ] 300D radiator fan shroud on 240D W123

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kevin wrote:

> The sh***d has hit the fan on on the 1982 240D the other day, so
> I’m in need of a shroud. I sourced one from a W123 300D and plan
> to buy it if it will fit my car.

I measured the cars I have.  Width and distance from the radiator
(thickness?)

240 - 53 x 9 cm
300 - 55 x 7 cm

I did not measure height.  Harder to measure and with the other
dimensions I figured not needed.

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Re: [MBZ] Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Attractions are as follows:

1. Better resale than any car pretty much
2. 5000lbs
3. Pretty durable. Lots of guys driving them hundreds of thousands of
miles. Except the rust factor.
4. Can tow and offroad with the best; 3 diff locks.
5. Pretty good on the highway. Nothing steers like a solid front axle.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 9:24 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Ditto.
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 4:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I personally do not see the attraction. They are ugly boxes.
> > I would much rather have a big old Mercedes diesel sedan and a newer
> > domestic SUV with 4 wheel drive,  for a whole lot less money.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > On 17/10/2019 2:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2718784478141694/
> > >
> > > 2017 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class G 65 AMG Sport Utility 4D
> > > Myrtle Beach, SC· about a day ago
> > > <
> >
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> > >
> > > $123,000
> > >
> > >  * About This Vehicle
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> > >
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> > >  o Automatic transmission
> > >  *
> > >  o
> > >
> > >  o Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
> > >  *
> > >  o
> > >
> > >  o 11.0 MPG city · 13.0 MPG highway · 12.0 MPG combined
> > >  *
> > >  o
> > >
> > >  o Excellent condition
> > > 
> > >
> > >  * Typical Features
> > >  *
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:52:33 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Yes but actually all ventilators have built in battery backup so no one
> pays much attention until the power actually fails and then they
> prioritize which machines most need the red outlets.
> 
> We had a weird thing on backup last year where the hospital is fed by
> three separate lines so getting them all shut off was an exercise no
> one had done recently and it took awhile to get the generators online.
> They upped the drill frequency after that.

I take it, Karl, you work in a hospital. What do you do there?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes but actually all ventilators have built in battery backup so no one
pays much attention until the power actually fails and then they prioritize
which machines most need the red outlets.

We had a weird thing on backup last year where the hospital is fed by three
separate lines so getting them all shut off was an exercise no one had done
recently and it took awhile to get the generators online. They upped the
drill frequency after that.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 11:17 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> NFPA 110 requirement, especially for hospitals or any Level 1 life safety
> facility. Red outlets and covers designate a branch circuit connected to
> backup power source(s). Gotta make sure Grandpa’s respirator is plugged in
> to one of these….
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hospitals always have red outlets connected to backup power. Regular
> color
> > outlets are not backed up. That would be a good way to do it if starting
> > from scratch at home.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 8:39 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I agree. I read through a portion of the manual and I was a bit
> confused.
> >> It appears that they’re using the inverter to feed a branch circuit in
> the
> >> house by plugging into it with the output of the inverter.
> >>
> >> Not only are the issues previously mentioned a concern, but you’re also
> >> limited to the available output of the inverter on that circuit.
> >>
> >> Seems like sort of a kludge.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I Just Don't Get It

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Dan suggests that the hubcaps may be original in Europe and the vendor 
does say it is a "euro import" so who knows???


Randy

On 18/10/2019 10:55 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:36:26 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/372802012584

Indeed, why he would think a 1978 240D would be worth $13,999.00, even
with new wheels, bumpers, added "steps" (or whatever they are), and only
51088 miles on it makes no sense.

He says it is mechanic-owned, but he apparently knows little about
Mercedes Benz automobiles. He says the VIN is 12081597; he apparently
means 123.123-12-081597, but he should know the difference.

He also says, "The original wheels have been sand blasted and
professionally epoxy painted." One problem, though, is that those were
not the original wheels.

"These cars were made when Mercedes was dead set on laser precise
manufacturing." Really?

He also says the car spent most of its life in Texas, but says, "This
Mercedes is located 45 minutes north of Detroit." He makes no comment
about it not being driven during the winter and shows no pictures of the
engine or the underside.

Hmm ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

NFPA 110 requirement, especially for hospitals or any Level 1 life safety 
facility. Red outlets and covers designate a branch circuit connected to backup 
power source(s). Gotta make sure Grandpa’s respirator is plugged in to one of 
these….

-D


> On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hospitals always have red outlets connected to backup power. Regular color
> outlets are not backed up. That would be a good way to do it if starting
> from scratch at home.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 8:39 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I agree. I read through a portion of the manual and I was a bit confused.
>> It appears that they’re using the inverter to feed a branch circuit in the
>> house by plugging into it with the output of the inverter.
>> 
>> Not only are the issues previously mentioned a concern, but you’re also
>> limited to the available output of the inverter on that circuit.
>> 
>> Seems like sort of a kludge.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:22:06 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Hospitals always have red outlets connected to backup power. Regular
> color outlets are not backed up. That would be a good way to do it if
> starting from scratch at home.

Clever idea!

In Los Alamos, we had a manual transfer switch right after the meter:
Flip the utility breaker off, move a slide, flip the generator breaker on.
It did the whole house.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

A guy in chicago was bypassing the meter fairly recently.   I think he 
got prison time.  He makes/made pet treats, the the amount of juice was 
probably substantial.   They claimed $2mill, and that he tried to bribe 
a witness.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/18/19 12:34 PM:

Could be like the guy I worked for decades ago that was literally using jumper 
cables to bypass his meter - after they caught him and charged him many 
thousands of dollars for estimated bills they put in a huge metal meter box 
with the little window in it so the meter reader could just see the front of 
the meter.

Jerk. He thought he was smarter than everyone else. Tried the same sort of 
goofy stuff with the IRS until they walked in one day and shut his business 
down and attached everything. Some of my buddies still worked there and the IRS 
agents showed up, told everyone to stand up and walk to the door and then 
installed padlocks on all the doors.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Could be like the guy I worked for decades ago that was literally using jumper 
cables to bypass his meter - after they caught him and charged him many 
thousands of dollars for estimated bills they put in a huge metal meter box 
with the little window in it so the meter reader could just see the front of 
the meter. 

Jerk. He thought he was smarter than everyone else. Tried the same sort of 
goofy stuff with the IRS until they walked in one day and shut his business 
down and attached everything. Some of my buddies still worked there and the IRS 
agents showed up, told everyone to stand up and walk to the door and then 
installed padlocks on all the doors.

-D


> On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Most of those would charge you for the electricity you take out, and charge 
> you again for the electricity you put in. 
> 
> Those are good at catching DIY repairs. "Oh, you're doing your own work? 
> We'll just red tag and disconnect you until the county inspects it." If you 
> pull the meter to shut off the power, or have an insulated pole that can flip 
> the switch at the transformer, they dispatch repair service when the meter 
> goes dead.
> Mitch.
> 
>> On October 18, 2019 at 12:46 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> No meter readers here - they all report back to the mothership for
>> automated reading.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Solar power, wes:] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

They have done several iterations of this thing so they seem to be able to
get stuff to market. Companies are using kickstarter to gauge demand these
days.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 10:56 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I like this thing as well - but is it still vaporware???
> Also - looks like the grid down feasture only powers a dedicated circuit,
> not general use circuits since it has no grid disconnect  capability.
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:44 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Seems like this thing is able to keep the net to zero, so maybe it would
> > limit the panels to whatever you are using and not drop out just because
> > the grid is down.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plxdevices/legion-solar-4-permission-free-energy-and-storage
> >
> >
> > --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Most of those would charge you for the electricity you take out, and charge you 
again for the electricity you put in. 

Those are good at catching DIY repairs. "Oh, you're doing your own work? We'll 
just red tag and disconnect you until the county inspects it." If you pull the 
meter to shut off the power, or have an insulated pole that can flip the switch 
at the transformer, they dispatch repair service when the meter goes dead.
Mitch.

> On October 18, 2019 at 12:46 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> No meter readers here - they all report back to the mothership for
> automated reading.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah, I havent read through it all. I would think you could just shut off
the mains somehow automagically if the power fails and trip over to
batteries or a generator. My uncle was a hog farmer and his gen set did
that. But for a long time it was run out and fire up the Farmall and the
pto generator.

Hospitals always have red outlets connected to backup power. Regular color
outlets are not backed up. That would be a good way to do it if starting
from scratch at home.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 8:39 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I agree. I read through a portion of the manual and I was a bit confused.
> It appears that they’re using the inverter to feed a branch circuit in the
> house by plugging into it with the output of the inverter.
>
> Not only are the issues previously mentioned a concern, but you’re also
> limited to the available output of the inverter on that circuit.
>
> Seems like sort of a kludge.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 18, 2019, at 10:35 AM, MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > From what I have read of the manual, this thing plugs into an outlet on
> one of the circuits of your breaker panel and then feeds back into the
> panel. The bad part of that is when the power goes out and you have the
> battery backup off grid controller and inverter installed when the power
> goes out then you have to plug anything that you want running  into the
> inverter. When the power comes back on the inverter goes off line and
> nothing plugged into will work so everything has to be plugged back into
> the outlets that they were originally in.
> >
> > That said, If the power company meter readers see the solar setup they
> will probably report that and the utility company will have some questions
> for you and may even disconnect your electricity from the Grid till you are
> in compliance with their regulations and have the system inspected. Could
> be a whole bunch of problems going all the way back to the building
> inspectors office possibly including fines for non inspection etc.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > However for a cabin in the woods with no grid power I can see it as a
> great idea.
> >
> >
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Karl - I like the idea of this one: all the equipment is on the house
> side
> >> of the meter, so electric company only sees a reduction in your usage.
> I
> >> did not study their claimed ROI, so economics aside...
> >> If a home-owner installed this DIY or acted as his own general
> contractor,
> >> and assuming no HOA interference, would someone like Dan in FL be able
> to
> >> do this without consequence?
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:44 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> Seems like this thing is able to keep the net to zero, so maybe it
> would
> >>> limit the panels to whatever you are using and not drop out just
> because
> >>> the grid is down.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plxdevices/legion-solar-4-permission-free-energy-and-storage
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[OK Don via Mercedes]

No meter readers here - they all report back to the mothership for
automated reading.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 9:36 AM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> That said, If the power company meter readers see
> the solar setup they will probably report that and
> the utility company will have some questions for
> you and may even disconnect your electricity from
> the Grid till you are in compliance with their
> regulations and have the system inspected.
>


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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] I Just Don't Get It

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

"Very original and complete car."

The only way it could be "very original" is if it were bought new as a Callaway 
Turbo with optional body mods that I've never seen before. And from the 
description it's not that, and apparently not AMG, Koenig or similar either. I 
do like that the "high end" stereo retains the original indash head unit.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Forget the $500 S55 I'm going for this

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ditto.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 4:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I personally do not see the attraction. They are ugly boxes.
> I would much rather have a big old Mercedes diesel sedan and a newer
> domestic SUV with 4 wheel drive,  for a whole lot less money.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 17/10/2019 2:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2718784478141694/
> >
> > 2017 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class G 65 AMG Sport Utility 4D
> > Myrtle Beach, SC· about a day ago
> > <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2718784478141694/?ref=product_details>·
>
> >
> > $123,000
> >
> >  * About This Vehicle
> >  *
> >
> >  *
> >  o
> >
> >  o Driven 10,461 miles
> >  *
> >  o
> >
> >  o Automatic transmission
> >  *
> >  o
> >
> >  o Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
> >  *
> >  o
> >
> >  o 11.0 MPG city · 13.0 MPG highway · 12.0 MPG combined
> >  *
> >  o
> >
> >  o Excellent condition
> > 
> >
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> >  *
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> >  *
> >Navigation
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> >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] I Just Don't Get It

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Pimp my ride.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 11:37 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/372802012584
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] I Just Don't Get It

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:36:26 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/372802012584

Indeed, why he would think a 1978 240D would be worth $13,999.00, even
with new wheels, bumpers, added "steps" (or whatever they are), and only
51088 miles on it makes no sense.

He says it is mechanic-owned, but he apparently knows little about
Mercedes Benz automobiles. He says the VIN is 12081597; he apparently
means 123.123-12-081597, but he should know the difference.

He also says, "The original wheels have been sand blasted and
professionally epoxy painted." One problem, though, is that those were
not the original wheels.

"These cars were made when Mercedes was dead set on laser precise
manufacturing." Really?

He also says the car spent most of its life in Texas, but says, "This
Mercedes is located 45 minutes north of Detroit." He makes no comment
about it not being driven during the winter and shows no pictures of the
engine or the underside.

Hmm ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I Just Don't Get It

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Those are real European wheel covers, common in the EU but never sold here by 
Mercedes that I know of. When I was searching for some wheels a while back on 
various European eBay sites these wheels kept popping up in my search results.

-D

 
> On Oct 18, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 18/10/2019 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/372802012584
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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> I don't really mind the bumpers. The front one might help with aerodynamics 
> on the highway. The fit does not look to be perfect but it is not too awful.
> 
> The interior looks pretty good.
> 
> I don't care for the 3rd brake light on the trunk lid and I don't care for 
> the wheels or hubcaps or whatever they are. Buy it now price is pretty high 
> but might be a good car.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Just Don't Get It

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 18/10/2019 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/372802012584

-D

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I don't really mind the bumpers. The front one might help with 
aerodynamics on the highway. The fit does not look to be perfect but it 
is not too awful.


The interior looks pretty good.

I don't care for the 3rd brake light on the trunk lid and I don't care 
for the wheels or hubcaps or whatever they are. Buy it now price is 
pretty high but might be a good car.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I agree. I read through a portion of the manual and I was a bit confused. It 
appears that they’re using the inverter to feed a branch circuit in the house 
by plugging into it with the output of the inverter.

Not only are the issues previously mentioned a concern, but you’re also limited 
to the available output of the inverter on that circuit.

Seems like sort of a kludge.

-D

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 10:35 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> From what I have read of the manual, this thing plugs into an outlet on one 
> of the circuits of your breaker panel and then feeds back into the panel. The 
> bad part of that is when the power goes out and you have the battery backup 
> off grid controller and inverter installed when the power goes out then you 
> have to plug anything that you want running  into the inverter. When the 
> power comes back on the inverter goes off line and nothing plugged into will 
> work so everything has to be plugged back into the outlets that they were 
> originally in.
> 
> That said, If the power company meter readers see the solar setup they will 
> probably report that and the utility company will have some questions for you 
> and may even disconnect your electricity from the Grid till you are in 
> compliance with their regulations and have the system inspected. Could be a 
> whole bunch of problems going all the way back to the building inspectors 
> office possibly including fines for non inspection etc.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> However for a cabin in the woods with no grid power I can see it as a great 
> idea.
> 
> 
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Karl - I like the idea of this one: all the equipment is on the house side
>> of the meter, so electric company only sees a reduction in your usage.  I
>> did not study their claimed ROI, so economics aside...
>> If a home-owner installed this DIY or acted as his own general contractor,
>> and assuming no HOA interference, would someone like Dan in FL be able to
>> do this without consequence?
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:44 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> Seems like this thing is able to keep the net to zero, so maybe it would
>>> limit the panels to whatever you are using and not drop out just because
>>> the grid is down.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plxdevices/legion-solar-4-permission-free-energy-and-storage
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[MBZ] I Just Don't Get It

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/372802012584

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[MG via Mercedes]

From what I have read of the manual, this thing 
plugs into an outlet on one of the circuits of 
your breaker panel and then feeds back into the 
panel. The bad part of that is when the power goes 
out and you have the battery backup off grid 
controller and inverter installed when the power 
goes out then you have to plug anything that you 
want running  into the inverter. When the power 
comes back on the inverter goes off line and 
nothing plugged into will work so everything has 
to be plugged back into the outlets that they were 
originally in.


That said, If the power company meter readers see 
the solar setup they will probably report that and 
the utility company will have some questions for 
you and may even disconnect your electricity from 
the Grid till you are in compliance with their 
regulations and have the system inspected. Could 
be a whole bunch of problems going all the way 
back to the building inspectors office possibly 
including fines for non inspection etc.


Just a thought.

However for a cabin in the woods with no grid 
power I can see it as a great idea.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Karl - I like the idea of this one: all the equipment is on the house side
of the meter, so electric company only sees a reduction in your usage.  I
did not study their claimed ROI, so economics aside...

If a home-owner installed this DIY or acted as his own general contractor,
and assuming no HOA interference, would someone like Dan in FL be able to
do this without consequence?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:44 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Seems like this thing is able to keep the net to zero, so maybe it would
limit the panels to whatever you are using and not drop out just because
the grid is down.


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plxdevices/legion-solar-4-permission-free-energy-and-storage




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Re: [MBZ] Off topic oil question

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Marcus is not here?
-
Max
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On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 9:49 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hi Marcus,
> You might want to consider the following when changing the oil in your
> Porsche.
> Love, Pop
>
> > > Hey Don,
> > >  You also have to consider the design of the engines.  Low ZDDP
> > > mostly affects "Flat-Tappet" designs (think Harley Davidson or flat 4
> &
> > > 6 PORSCHE). (FYI --  ZDDP=Zinc dialkyldithiophosphate)
> > >
> > > Here are some examples:
> > > Valvoline (VV150-6PK) MaxLife 10W-40 Higher Mileage Motor Oil. ...
> > > Pennzoil High Mileage Vehicle Oil. ...
> > > Mobil 1 45000 5W-30 High Mileage Motor Oil. ...
> > > Castrol 06470 GTX 20W-50 High Mileage Motor Oil.
> > >
> > > Also, try Allen's suggestions or google high ZDDP oils.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > > LarryT
> > > youroil.net
> > > 06 E350
> > > 91 E300D (best car I ever owned)
> > >
> > > On 10/16/2019 2:18 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > For old school NON-MB (cast iron block) and 1984 technology would
> shell Rotella (or something similar) be best because of the higher zinc
> content?
> > > >
> > > > Donald H. Snook
> > > > FedEx Freight
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So the real downside would be no grant / tax incentives to help offset the
cost and make the ROI more attractive.  Sounds more like market economics,
which is a good thing.  We'll find out if there is a market for this and
answer the age old question about solar vs. fossil fuels.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:15 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes. Florida law mandates that HOAs cannot dictate anything about
> alternative energy installations, such as solar. There are city and county
> ordinances that come into play for something like a wind generator, but
> HOAs have no say in solar installations. They often “suggest” things as far
> as trying to persuade where panels might be installed so as to limit the
> visual effects, but that’s nothing more than “theater” as they are
> prohibited from dictating anything in this regard.
>
> The community standards in my neighborhood have an entry saying something
> about requesting owners to try and place solar panels on the side or back
> portions of their roofs, but it’s nothing more than a suggestion. You could
> put them on the front of your house and there’s nothing they can do about
> it.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Oct 18, 2019, at 12:06 AM, fmiser via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Meade wrote:
> >
> >> If a home-owner installed this DIY or acted as his own general
> >> contractor, and assuming no HOA interference, would someone like
> >> Dan in FL be able to do this without consequence?
> >
> > I would say "yes".  It is a solar "generator" - right?
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Off topic oil question

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Hi Marcus,
You might want to consider the following when changing the oil in your Porsche.
Love, Pop
 
> > Hey Don,
> >      You also have to consider the design of the engines.  Low ZDDP 
> > mostly affects "Flat-Tappet" designs (think Harley Davidson or flat 4 & 
> > 6 PORSCHE). (FYI --  ZDDP=Zinc dialkyldithiophosphate)
> > 
> > Here are some examples:
> > Valvoline (VV150-6PK) MaxLife 10W-40 Higher Mileage Motor Oil. ...
> > Pennzoil High Mileage Vehicle Oil. ...
> > Mobil 1 45000 5W-30 High Mileage Motor Oil. ...
> > Castrol 06470 GTX 20W-50 High Mileage Motor Oil.
> > 
> > Also, try Allen's suggestions or google high ZDDP oils.
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > LarryT
> > youroil.net
> > 06 E350
> > 91 E300D (best car I ever owned)
> > 
> > On 10/16/2019 2:18 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> > > For old school NON-MB (cast iron block) and 1984 technology would shell 
> > > Rotella (or something similar) be best because of the higher zinc content?
> > >
> > > Donald H. Snook
> > > FedEx Freight

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Re: [MBZ] Off topic oil question

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I know one of the owners of Lyden Oil.
Maybe I should ask him if he can ship 5 gallon pails of M1 V-twin (1800ish ppm)?

He quoted me sub-$400 for a 55 gal drum of M1 car oil. (not a factory drum, 
they buy the stuff by the tanker truck and repackage it) 

> On October 18, 2019 at 8:03 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Don,
>      You also have to consider the design of the engines.  Low ZDDP 
> mostly affects "Flat-Tappet" designs (think Harley Davidson or flat 4 & 
> 6 Porsche). (FYI --  ZDDP=Zinc dialkyldithiophosphate)
> 
> Here are some examples:
> Valvoline (VV150-6PK) MaxLife 10W-40 Higher Mileage Motor Oil. ...
> Pennzoil High Mileage Vehicle Oil. ...
> Mobil 1 45000 5W-30 High Mileage Motor Oil. ...
> Castrol 06470 GTX 20W-50 High Mileage Motor Oil.
> 
> Also, try Allen's suggestions or google high ZDDP oils.
> 
> Good luck!
> LarryT
> youroil.net
> 06 E350
> 91 E300D (best car I ever owned)
> 
> On 10/16/2019 2:18 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> > For old school NON-MB (cast iron block) and 1984 technology would shell 
> > Rotella (or something similar) be best because of the higher zinc content?
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> > FedEx Freight
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Off topic oil question

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Hey Don,
    You also have to consider the design of the engines.  Low ZDDP 
mostly affects "Flat-Tappet" designs (think Harley Davidson or flat 4 & 
6 Porsche). (FYI --  ZDDP=Zinc dialkyldithiophosphate)


Here are some examples:
Valvoline (VV150-6PK) MaxLife 10W-40 Higher Mileage Motor Oil. ...
Pennzoil High Mileage Vehicle Oil. ...
Mobil 1 45000 5W-30 High Mileage Motor Oil. ...
Castrol 06470 GTX 20W-50 High Mileage Motor Oil.

Also, try Allen's suggestions or google high ZDDP oils.

Good luck!
LarryT
youroil.net
06 E350
91 E300D (best car I ever owned)

On 10/16/2019 2:18 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:

For old school NON-MB (cast iron block) and 1984 technology would shell Rotella 
(or something similar) be best because of the higher zinc content?

Donald H. Snook
FedEx Freight
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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Model 3: More "Global Climate Change" than a Mercedes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes. Florida law mandates that HOAs cannot dictate anything about alternative 
energy installations, such as solar. There are city and county ordinances that 
come into play for something like a wind generator, but HOAs have no say in 
solar installations. They often “suggest” things as far as trying to persuade 
where panels might be installed so as to limit the visual effects, but that’s 
nothing more than “theater” as they are prohibited from dictating anything in 
this regard.

The community standards in my neighborhood have an entry saying something about 
requesting owners to try and place solar panels on the side or back portions of 
their roofs, but it’s nothing more than a suggestion. You could put them on the 
front of your house and there’s nothing they can do about it.

-D

 
> On Oct 18, 2019, at 12:06 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Meade wrote:
> 
>> If a home-owner installed this DIY or acted as his own general
>> contractor, and assuming no HOA interference, would someone like
>> Dan in FL be able to do this without consequence?
> 
> I would say "yes".  It is a solar "generator" - right?
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