Re: [MBZ] Whinging

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As I recall, it is illegal for ordinary citizens to carry firearms on post
office property.  Ambiguous signs are no excuse.

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019, 00:17 OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Does the phrase "go postal" ring any bells?
>
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 11:11 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I always thought the PO sticker concerning weapons was ambiguous.  It
> > sounded like they were "banned except for lawful purposes". IMO, me
> > having a CCW permits gives me legal rights to carry on USPS grounds,
> > unless I go in to stick up the place, or am I reading that wrong?
> > Granted I'd hate to have to spend $50k in lawyer fees to contest it in
> > court but logically I think I'm correct.
> > I know our wonderful government lacks the use of Logic but it seems I
> > might be right...
> >
> > I know private citizens can create gun free zones but I didn't know the
> > USPS was a "Target rich environment" (otherwise known as a gun free
> zone).
> >
> > LarryT
> > 06 E350
> >
> > On 10/19/2019 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Postal regulations passed by bureaucrats carry the weight of federal
> > law. If you go to a post office without street parking, you're unarmed
> for
> > the entire trip or you're a federal felon, because guns are banned on all
> > USPS property, including parking lots. I suppose you could just leave
> your
> > gun in the street before you drive into the lot.
> > >
> > > In the matter of your package, I think it goes back if not picked up in
> > ten days.
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > >> On October 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The whole point is not having to deal with the PO, the local is
> totally
> > >> useless, some Soviet-style bureaucracy starting before you even walk
> in
> > >> the door. NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ubiquiti stuff is all motion triggered with alerts that go to your cell
phone if desired. The app to review events is very slick and works on a
smartphone. It all updates firmware regularly and just gets better and
better. I have 6 cameras, all POE. The switch fan is noisy, but it is in
its own closet anyway. Notifies my phone if any of the cameras go down for
updates or other reasons, and when they come up again. Yada yada. Their
latest stuff is 4k. It is definitely more expensive but the user experience
is light years ahead of the Revo setup I had at the old house and it seems
pretty reliable so far.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 7:52 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Also, give serious thought to triggering or motion detection capability of
> the cameras and/or NVR/DVR/logging software.  Even a few cameras will
> capture vast amounts of imagery; too much for humans to look at all of it.
> So you need cueing to isolate those few seconds (out of days and weeks of
> images) for image analysis.  Nearly all cameras have motion detection but
> the trick is to minimize false alarms.  External triggering, say from an
> alarm system or passive IR is a great help providing it records event times.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 6:37 AM
> > To: Okie Benz 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups
> >
> > Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….
> >
> > After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go
> with
> > coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to
> be
> > running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for
> sure. I
> > don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going
> with an
> > integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be
> > less troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a
> collection of
> > disparate parts.
> >
> > More to study…
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:29 AM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> IMO, POE is the only way to go.
> > >
> > > Yes, it is.
> > >
> > >
> > >> You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than
> > >> $50 but the imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua
> > >> starlight series.  Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving
> > >> objects (the only ones you actually care about), especially at night
> > >> and ID is nearly impossible. Low light cameras (like Dahua
> > >> starlights) run at higher shutter speed for less blur.  Several other
> > >> brands (like Lorex and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  Hikvision
> > >> makes good cameras too.  Look for international (not china) version
> > >> cameras that will have updatable firmware.  The US government has
> > >> banned purchase of both of these brands (possible spyware in
> > >> firmware) but that shouldn't matter to average users.
> > >
> > > I would not put Dahua or HiK cameras on the Internet, but have them on
> > > their own network. Check for updatable firmware. Some of the stuff
> > > sold is not updatable.
> > >
> > >
> > >> If possible get everything in the same brand.
> > >
> > > I have Q-See (rebadged Dahua) cameras and NVR (network video recorder)
> > > which I bought in 2015.
> > >
> > >
> > >> All ONVIF stuff is supposed to be interoperable but that's
> > >> theoretical, practically there will be limitations with mixed brands.
> > >> Go with "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet cameras are easy
> > >> to repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras then to
> > >> fog and craze with time. Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable
> > >> than Wi-Fi and will allow reliable reconfiguration and firmware
> > >> update over the LAN. Most of the better cameras support a mini SD
> > >> card that can record motion events but you probably want a central
> > >> recording capability like a NVR (hopefully same brand as cameras) of
> > >> software like Blue Iris (which is great even with different camera
> > >> brands).  You can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be costly and
> > >> cameras eat a lot of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable,
> > >> especially if you supply the hard drive. The better cameras can be
> > >> ordered with different focal lengths so do some analysis to get the
> > >> right lens.  For a few bucks more you can get a varifocal (zoom) lens
> > >> to get a custom field of view. Don't get too hung up on megapixels.
> > >> My 2 MP Dahua starlights provide a sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks.
> > >> Pro-line cameras (like Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have
> > >> advanced processing like face capture, person counting, etc.
> > >
> > > Good information, Scott.
> > >
> > > Note also you most likely will not 

Re: [MBZ] Whinging

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Does the phrase "go postal" ring any bells?

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 11:11 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I always thought the PO sticker concerning weapons was ambiguous.  It
> sounded like they were "banned except for lawful purposes". IMO, me
> having a CCW permits gives me legal rights to carry on USPS grounds,
> unless I go in to stick up the place, or am I reading that wrong?
> Granted I'd hate to have to spend $50k in lawyer fees to contest it in
> court but logically I think I'm correct.
> I know our wonderful government lacks the use of Logic but it seems I
> might be right...
>
> I know private citizens can create gun free zones but I didn't know the
> USPS was a "Target rich environment" (otherwise known as a gun free zone).
>
> LarryT
> 06 E350
>
> On 10/19/2019 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > Postal regulations passed by bureaucrats carry the weight of federal
> law. If you go to a post office without street parking, you're unarmed for
> the entire trip or you're a federal felon, because guns are banned on all
> USPS property, including parking lots. I suppose you could just leave your
> gun in the street before you drive into the lot.
> >
> > In the matter of your package, I think it goes back if not picked up in
> ten days.
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On October 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The whole point is not having to deal with the PO, the local is totally
> >> useless, some Soviet-style bureaucracy starting before you even walk in
> >> the door. NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED.
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Re: [MBZ] Whinging

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I always thought the PO sticker concerning weapons was ambiguous.  It 
sounded like they were "banned except for lawful purposes". IMO, me 
having a CCW permits gives me legal rights to carry on USPS grounds, 
unless I go in to stick up the place, or am I reading that wrong? 
Granted I'd hate to have to spend $50k in lawyer fees to contest it in 
court but logically I think I'm correct.
I know our wonderful government lacks the use of Logic but it seems I 
might be right...


I know private citizens can create gun free zones but I didn't know the 
USPS was a "Target rich environment" (otherwise known as a gun free zone).


LarryT
06 E350

On 10/19/2019 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Postal regulations passed by bureaucrats carry the weight of federal law. If 
you go to a post office without street parking, you're unarmed for the entire 
trip or you're a federal felon, because guns are banned on all USPS property, 
including parking lots. I suppose you could just leave your gun in the street 
before you drive into the lot.

In the matter of your package, I think it goes back if not picked up in ten 
days.
Mitch.


On October 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


The whole point is not having to deal with the PO, the local is totally
useless, some Soviet-style bureaucracy starting before you even walk in
the door. NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED.

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Re: [MBZ] Oddities

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Since the 240D is High Mileage Hildegard, the Sprinter has now been dubbed Low 
Mileage Lutgard AKA Der Doodlewagen.

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> On Dec 26, 2019, at 1:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know about tours at Vulvo or Sprinterland, but the BMW factory in 
> Greer do tours and there is a museum some cool old beemers.  Neither offer 
> samples.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/26/19 3:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> Factory tours?   Free samples?
>> 
>>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>> December 26, 2019 at 2:21 PM
>>> Correct
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oddities

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

My 2019 Sprinter and  the local inventory were all German built in Dusseldorf 
(vins starting with WDZ...).
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 192 miles, Der Doodlewagen
1982 240D High Mileage Hildegard 

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> On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Correct
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/26/19 2:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> I hear they assemble sprinters not far from you.
>> 
>>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>> December 26, 2019 at 1:18 PM
>>> I think maybe they build those Vulvos up the road at the new plant but I'm 
>>> not sure.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
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[MBZ] 06 MB E350 W211 w/electr issue

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Hi Gang,
I hope all is well?  My '06 E350 has been sitting long enough - I need 
to find a short. I discovered the battery was being drained.  I 
connected a Test Light between the Neg Term and the the disconnected neg 
cable - the light was on full bright.


I started pulling each fuse one after the other hoping one would cause 
the test light to go out.  I checked all I know of and none changed the 
test light. - I pulled those in the truck, drivers area and engine 
compartment.


My next step to to disconnect the wiring  (B+ maybe ??) on the 
Alternator to see if that's the problem.  Assuming that tells me 
nothing,  is there any other circuit checks I can try that might be 
draining the battery?


I need to test it some more - but it's a new battery, I can charge it to 
~13.4V, disconnect the charger and connect the + & - cables, attach my 
DMM and I can watch the V's drop .04v every 2-4 seconds.  Last time I 
checked it, I think it stopped draining when it go to ~10 Vs if that 
tells us anything?  Maybe it's a DOA?


I'm going to take the battery back to the store and have it tested on 
the off chance it's a bad battery.  What else can I check and which wire 
do I disconnect on the Alternator?


Thanks ya'll, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
LarryT
06 E350
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Re: [MBZ] Very nice 210 in NJ with bad transmission pump

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

don't know how different this is from my 06 W211 which also has shifting 
problems, but with mine, changing the shifter requires stealership 
programming of the shifter to the car.  that's what I know about so 
far.  it seems my shifting trouble may require a new shifter (supposedly 
a used one is not acceptable) so I'm still researching the problem.


good luck -
LarryT
06 E350

On 12/20/2019 12:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I don't know why he doesn't pop in a junkyard tranny, but it looks 
like a really nice car. Somebody up NJ way needs to grab this


https://www.facebook.com/groups/222890474957451/596815980898230/


 Thomas Ritter


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· 
42 mins 



Well she's done. Her transmission went. I'm selling her for $1000. 
Interior is near perfect, engine is strong and suspension is flawless. 
Anyone in New Jersey who's interested PM me and I will send you the 
address.






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Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

[G Mann via Mercedes]

What is the lead time for a nuke plant? Presuming plans have been approved,
and environmental studies are all done... From ground break to finish
certification?
10 years?  20? Best guess?


On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 8:38 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, the US has a number of Nukes that will require retirement
> or refueling in the near term.  Without a program to build more we will
> depend on coal/fossil fuel plants to provide power.  Else, the US may
> have some dark days and cold nights
>
> I was hopeful we might see Va start it's Nuke Power industry with Vepco
> looking at a new reactor in the Western part of the state.  Haven't
> heard anything lately.
>
> LarryT
>
> On 12/20/2019 2:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live
> TVPublished:
> > Friday, December 20, 2019
> >
> > Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclear power plants, part
> of
> > a plan to end the domestic production of atomic energy before the middle
> of
> > the century.
> >
> > Operator BKW took the Mühleberg Nuclear Power Plant, located 25 miles
> west
> > of the capital Bern, off the grid shortly after midday in a ceremony
> > broadcast live by Switzerland's main public TV station.
> >
> > BKW, which is majority owned by the canton of Bern, said it plans to
> begin
> > dismantling the plant in January, a process that will take until 2034.
> > Decommissioning and deposing of radioactive remains is estimated to cost
> 3
> > billion Swiss francs ($3.1 billion).
> >
> > Mühleberg is the smallest of Switzerland's four remaining nuclear power
> > plants. It began operation in 1972.
> >
> > After the 2011 Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster in Japan,
> Switzerland
> > decided to gradually phase out nuclear power.
> >
> > Switzerland is home to the world's oldest still-operating nuclear power
> > plant, Beznau, which will be shut down toward the end of 2029.
> >
> > The remaining two nuclear plants, Gösgen and Leibstadt, will be shuttered
> > around 2040 and 2045, respectively.
> >
> > Switzerland plans to significantly increase the production of renewable
> > energy from solar and wind over the coming decades to meet its power
> needs.
> > As part of the European grid, Switzerland also buys electricity from
> > neighboring countries such as France, which has numerous nuclear power
> > plants.
> >
> > Earlier this week, campaigners submitted enough signatures to force a
> > referendum on incorporating the goal of making Switzerland "climate
> > neutral" by 2050 in the country's constitution. Doing so would require
> > ending virtually all burning of fossil fuels by midcentury. *— Associated
> > Press*
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Murder by hogs

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

the feral hogs decimated bird life in Hawaii.  Most birds there nested 
on the ground and the hogs wiped many species completely out.


I'd like to hunt them as well, but shooting from a chopper would be my 
preference


LarryT

On 11/27/2019 7:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Good fun, and some of em make good pork if ya get to em fast enough. 
My uncle and cousins hunted feral pigs in the mountains of Hawaii.   I 
never got a chance to go with them.  THey used an 03A3. probably one 
issued to WWII Corps of Engineers in Hawaii, so long as they did not 
have to leave the Hawaiian major islands.   Some of the Hawaiians like 
to go hunting boars with just a knife. Crazy stuff.   Lotsa people 
hunt hogs there with dogs, and almost every dog gets severely cut up 
at one time or another.   Many dogs are killed by hogs.


Now that I have good friends in TX, maybe I'll get to hunt hogs with 
them some year.


combining aircraft and rifles makes for good fun, so long as nobody is 
shooting AT said aircraft.



G Mann via Mercedes 
November 27, 2019 at 1:47 PM
Caution: Video contains flying, shooting and animal eradication of feral
hogs.
It is, however, on my personal bucket list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaBN8rp_HZE



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Re: [MBZ] OT: End of the Nuke Era in Switzerland

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Unfortunately, the US has a number of Nukes that will require retirement 
or refueling in the near term.  Without a program to build more we will 
depend on coal/fossil fuel plants to provide power.  Else, the US may 
have some dark days and cold nights


I was hopeful we might see Va start it's Nuke Power industry with Vepco 
looking at a new reactor in the Western part of the state.  Haven't 
heard anything lately.


LarryT

On 12/20/2019 2:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

SWITZERLAND47-year-old nuclear power plant shuts down on live TVPublished:
Friday, December 20, 2019

Switzerland today shut down one of its oldest nuclear power plants, part of
a plan to end the domestic production of atomic energy before the middle of
the century.

Operator BKW took the Mühleberg Nuclear Power Plant, located 25 miles west
of the capital Bern, off the grid shortly after midday in a ceremony
broadcast live by Switzerland's main public TV station.

BKW, which is majority owned by the canton of Bern, said it plans to begin
dismantling the plant in January, a process that will take until 2034.
Decommissioning and deposing of radioactive remains is estimated to cost 3
billion Swiss francs ($3.1 billion).

Mühleberg is the smallest of Switzerland's four remaining nuclear power
plants. It began operation in 1972.

After the 2011 Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster in Japan, Switzerland
decided to gradually phase out nuclear power.

Switzerland is home to the world's oldest still-operating nuclear power
plant, Beznau, which will be shut down toward the end of 2029.

The remaining two nuclear plants, Gösgen and Leibstadt, will be shuttered
around 2040 and 2045, respectively.

Switzerland plans to significantly increase the production of renewable
energy from solar and wind over the coming decades to meet its power needs.
As part of the European grid, Switzerland also buys electricity from
neighboring countries such as France, which has numerous nuclear power
plants.

Earlier this week, campaigners submitted enough signatures to force a
referendum on incorporating the goal of making Switzerland "climate
neutral" by 2050 in the country's constitution. Doing so would require
ending virtually all burning of fossil fuels by midcentury. *— Associated
Press*
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Also, give serious thought to triggering or motion detection capability of the 
cameras and/or NVR/DVR/logging software.  Even a few cameras will capture vast 
amounts of imagery; too much for humans to look at all of it.  So you need 
cueing to isolate those few seconds (out of days and weeks of images) for image 
analysis.  Nearly all cameras have motion detection but the trick is to 
minimize false alarms.  External triggering, say from an alarm system or 
passive IR is a great help providing it records event times.

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> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 6:37 AM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups
> 
> Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….
> 
> After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go with
> coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to be
> running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for sure. I
> don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going with an
> integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be
> less troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a collection of
> disparate parts.
> 
> More to study…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:29 AM, Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> IMO, POE is the only way to go.
> >
> > Yes, it is.
> >
> >
> >> You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than
> >> $50 but the imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua
> >> starlight series.  Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving
> >> objects (the only ones you actually care about), especially at night
> >> and ID is nearly impossible. Low light cameras (like Dahua
> >> starlights) run at higher shutter speed for less blur.  Several other
> >> brands (like Lorex and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  Hikvision
> >> makes good cameras too.  Look for international (not china) version
> >> cameras that will have updatable firmware.  The US government has
> >> banned purchase of both of these brands (possible spyware in
> >> firmware) but that shouldn't matter to average users.
> >
> > I would not put Dahua or HiK cameras on the Internet, but have them on
> > their own network. Check for updatable firmware. Some of the stuff
> > sold is not updatable.
> >
> >
> >> If possible get everything in the same brand.
> >
> > I have Q-See (rebadged Dahua) cameras and NVR (network video recorder)
> > which I bought in 2015.
> >
> >
> >> All ONVIF stuff is supposed to be interoperable but that's
> >> theoretical, practically there will be limitations with mixed brands.
> >> Go with "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet cameras are easy
> >> to repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras then to
> >> fog and craze with time. Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable
> >> than Wi-Fi and will allow reliable reconfiguration and firmware
> >> update over the LAN. Most of the better cameras support a mini SD
> >> card that can record motion events but you probably want a central
> >> recording capability like a NVR (hopefully same brand as cameras) of
> >> software like Blue Iris (which is great even with different camera
> >> brands).  You can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be costly and
> >> cameras eat a lot of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable,
> >> especially if you supply the hard drive. The better cameras can be
> >> ordered with different focal lengths so do some analysis to get the
> >> right lens.  For a few bucks more you can get a varifocal (zoom) lens
> >> to get a custom field of view. Don't get too hung up on megapixels.
> >> My 2 MP Dahua starlights provide a sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks.
> >> Pro-line cameras (like Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have
> >> advanced processing like face capture, person counting, etc.
> >
> > Good information, Scott.
> >
> > Note also you most likely will not be satisfied with just any old hard
> > disk long term -- there is a reason WD has a line of disks
> > specifically for surveillance.
> >
> >
> >> Finally, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is an excellent information source if
> >> you can stand the biases of the list mom (fenderman).  Just be aware
> >> that anyone can post so there is no guarantee posted information is
> >> accurate.
> >
> > If you want a professional level site, go to IPVM, https://ipvm.com.
> > If you want an invite, let me know.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT I want to get my order in

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:02:19 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://www.amlu.com/2019/12/21/ferrari-roma-shows-why-the-prancing-horse-is-the-most-powerful-brand-in-the-world/

Sort of, "If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it."


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Here's one for Andrew

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 I would be tempted if not for the color.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 5:59 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A little high maybe, but cash would talk
>
>
> https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-08-mercedes-gl320-cdi-2/7044679400.html
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As Dan mentions, one of the key up-front decisions is if you want to control 
your imagery or let a third party hold it in the cloud (generally with a 
monthly cost).  Even with (alleged) Chinese spyware, you can use VLANs and a 
VPN to keep your imagery private, providing you record in-house.  The list mom 
at https://www.vueville.com/ won't even consider third party (cloud) imagery 
storage.  Personally, I'm not too concerned with Chinese spyware watching my 
front door.  If I was in politics I might be more concerned about domestic 
spying.

I have very limited experience with coax-based cameras (mine are all IP based) 
so I can't add much if you go that route.

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> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 4:08 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups
> 
> Ring wants to share your camera’s data with law enforcement when asked - no
> warrant required. No way I would own one.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 26, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > yeah, that is where I was at last year.  I liked the simplisafe system, and 
> > their
> cameras seemed reasonable, however the ring monitoring is $10 a month vs
> simplisafe starting at 15 and going up quickly.  However ring wanted $200 per
> camera, so that knocked out their cameras.  Ended up with ring security and
> doorbell, and then 8 camras and the NVR/SVR/DVR as you may want to call it,
> for $220 delivered.  That gives continuous video all around, plus the doorbell
> and interior alarms, and monitored for about $500  and the $120/yr
> monitoring cost.   Without the monitoring, you get alerts from the ring 
> system,
> and can arm/disarm it from your fone, and 24/7 access to the 8 video cameras
> on the fone or monitor.   Nobody has done anything nefarious since it went
> up, and neighbor reports of nefarious activity have dropped to 0 after I put
> this in and quite a few others put in the ring doorbell.   Unfortunately, 
> ring was
> swallowed whole by the goolag.
> >
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  December 26,
> >> 2019 at 5:37 AM Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….
> >>
> >> After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go with
> coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to be
> running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for sure. I
> don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going with an
> integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be
> less troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a collection of
> disparate parts.
> >>
> >> More to study…
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
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[MBZ] OT I would need to buy the state of Wyoming for this

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.amlu.com/2019/12/26/amphibious-sherp-the-ark-is-the-ultimate-all-terrain-vehicle/

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[MBZ] OT I want to get my order in

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.amlu.com/2019/12/21/ferrari-roma-shows-why-the-prancing-horse-is-the-most-powerful-brand-in-the-world/

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[MBZ] Here's one for Andrew

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

A little high maybe, but cash would talk

https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-08-mercedes-gl320-cdi-2/7044679400.html


   08 Mercedes GL320 cdi 2 Owners 0 accidents , Premium pkg 1 and
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Re: [MBZ] Oddities

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I don't know about tours at Vulvo or Sprinterland, but the BMW factory 
in Greer do tours and there is a museum some cool old beemers.  Neither 
offer samples.


--FT

On 12/26/19 3:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Factory tours?   Free samples?


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 26, 2019 at 2:21 PM
Correct

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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Good one! I meant for Caleb. The 124 cabriolet will only appreciate in value, 
> the 129 is doomed to throw-away status.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Dec 26, 2019 2:09:54 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes :
> 
>> for whom? (andrew approved)
>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> December 25, 2019 at 9:56 PM
>>> That would be a bad trade.
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Good one! I meant for Caleb. The 124 cabriolet will only appreciate in value, 
> the 129 is doomed to throw-away status.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Dec 26, 2019 2:09:54 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes :
> 
>> for whom? (andrew approved)
>> 
>> 
>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> December 25, 2019 at 9:56 PM
>>> 
>>> That would be a bad trade.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ring wants to share your camera’s data with law enforcement when asked - no 
warrant required. No way I would own one.

-D


> On Dec 26, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yeah, that is where I was at last year.  I liked the simplisafe system, and 
> their cameras seemed reasonable, however the ring monitoring is $10 a month 
> vs simplisafe starting at 15 and going up quickly.  However ring wanted $200 
> per camera, so that knocked out their cameras.  Ended up with ring security 
> and doorbell, and then 8 camras and the NVR/SVR/DVR as you may want to call 
> it, for $220 delivered.  That gives continuous video all around, plus the 
> doorbell and interior alarms, and monitored for about $500  and the $120/yr 
> monitoring cost.   Without the monitoring, you get alerts from the ring 
> system, and can arm/disarm it from your fone, and 24/7 access to the 8 video 
> cameras on the fone or monitor.   Nobody has done anything nefarious since it 
> went up, and neighbor reports of nefarious activity have dropped to 0 after I 
> put this in and quite a few others put in the ring doorbell.   Unfortunately, 
> ring was swallowed whole by the goolag.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 26, 2019 at 5:37 AM
>> Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….
>> 
>> After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go with 
>> coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to be 
>> running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for sure. I 
>> don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going with 
>> an integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be 
>> less troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a collection of 
>> disparate parts.
>> 
>> More to study…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oddities

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Factory tours?   Free samples?


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 26, 2019 at 2:21 PM
Correct

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Re: [MBZ] OT for Wilton: December 25 1944, a Christmas B-24 story

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

More info about the area and the SQDN.   https://449th.com/grottaglie-italy/

I had the good fortune to be in the area 20 yrs ago.  I know there were 
bomb and fighter groups stationed around Bari and Foggia, but could not 
find any further info.  The map on this website is very informative.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 26, 2019 at 6:06 AM
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/My-grandfather-always-used-to-tell-the-story-of-Christmas-1944-and-I-miss-him-/5-2282685/

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Re: [MBZ] Oddities

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Correct

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On 12/26/19 2:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

I hear they assemble sprinters not far from you.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 26, 2019 at 1:18 PM
I think maybe they build those Vulvos up the road at the new plant 
but I'm not sure.


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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Good one! I meant for Caleb. The 124 cabriolet will only appreciate in value, 
the 129 is doomed to throw-away status.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 26, 2019 2:09:54 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes :

> for whom? (andrew approved)
> 
> 
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> > December 25, 2019 at 9:56 PM
> > 
> > That would be a bad trade.
> > 
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Oddities

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I hear they assemble sprinters not far from you.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 26, 2019 at 1:18 PM
I think maybe they build those Vulvos up the road at the new plant but 
I'm not sure.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah, that is where I was at last year.  I liked the simplisafe system, 
and their cameras seemed reasonable, however the ring monitoring is $10 
a month vs simplisafe starting at 15 and going up quickly.  However ring 
wanted $200 per camera, so that knocked out their cameras.  Ended up 
with ring security and doorbell, and then 8 camras and the NVR/SVR/DVR 
as you may want to call it, for $220 delivered.  That gives continuous 
video all around, plus the doorbell and interior alarms, and monitored 
for about $500  and the $120/yr monitoring cost.   Without the 
monitoring, you get alerts from the ring system, and can arm/disarm it 
from your fone, and 24/7 access to the 8 video cameras on the fone or 
monitor.   Nobody has done anything nefarious since it went up, and 
neighbor reports of nefarious activity have dropped to 0 after I put 
this in and quite a few others put in the ring doorbell.   
Unfortunately, ring was swallowed whole by the goolag.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 26, 2019 at 5:37 AM
Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….

After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go 
with coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m 
going to be running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the 
options for sure. I don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so 
I would think going with an integrated camera and NVR solution would 
probably make more sense and be less troublesome since it would be a 
complete system and not a collection of disparate parts.


More to study…

-D





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Re: [MBZ] Oddities

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think maybe they build those Vulvos up the road at the new plant but 
I'm not sure.


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On 12/26/19 1:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Seen in NE GA/SW SC last night;  2 oddities.

and oddie A7 TDI
and a folvo s60  TDI

May they are not so odd on the east coast.   Dunno.  But they sure 
were oddities to me.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I guess so, but has power welded to the video cable, so you just pull 
one cable.   It is pretty slick for the $$$.   You need a wall wart and 
a couple of 1 to 4 cable adapters for the power, but that was all 
included.   I had an older 4 cameras and 8 channel dvr, but I wanted at 
least 5 cameras and these are higher res and color than the B cameras 
I had.   I have 3 cameras and the dvr on fleabay.



fmiser via Mercedes 
December 25, 2019 at 10:08 PM

Curley wrote:
I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and
a dvr for $220.  THey arenot IP.

Then you can use POE - right?

Put in a central power supply and pull twisted pair cable for
power along with whatever it needs for video.



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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

for whom?    (andrew approved)


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 25, 2019 at 9:56 PM

That would be a bad trade.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC




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[MBZ] Oddities

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Seen in NE GA/SW SC last night;  2 oddities.

and oddie A7 TDI
and a folvo s60  TDI

May they are not so odd on the east coast.   Dunno.  But they sure were 
oddities to me.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked a long time ago about the right way to make pizza ...

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The extremely hot wood fired clay oven can cook a thin pizza in 3 minutes,
but the more usual 500° + oven and a stone takes about 7 minutes for a
nicely loaded pizza - timing being less critical, the results just as good.

The only relation we have to Italy is that my wife grew up in a semi
Italian neighborhood in Philly. She has developed a very good sense of what
tastes good together, and we both like lots of flavor.

I'm still looking for the recipe, though I think it might be only in her
head now.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 11:58 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 14:03:25 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Actually, the secret to good pizza is in the dough, sauce, and toppings.
>
> I recall much talk when it was discussed last about an exceedingly hot
> oven and stone and very attentive, well-trained operators, with the
> difference between an ideal pizza and a burnt mess being a matter of
> only seconds.
>
>
> > Good dough (to use anyway) is made from whole grain spelt flour, the
> > sauce is my wife's won recipe, though she uses several, and the
> > toppings are chopped up finely and mixed together, add thinly sliced
> > garlic on top of that, then sprinkle Italian seasoning over the whole
> > thing. Oh yes, the mozzarella goes on top of the dough, and the grated
> > Parmesan is the last thing added.
>
> Interesting. Does your family, like Max's, have an Italian cohort?
>
>
> Craig
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[MBZ] OT: Darn Tough sock deal for smaller feet

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

3pr for $20.
https://colemans.com/u-s-g-i-vermont-darn-tough-wool-socks-3-pack

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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Nope

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 11:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Wants to trade me for my 124 cab. 
> 
> Thought you sold that. 
> 
> Rick
> 
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[MBZ] OT for Wilton: December 25 1944, a Christmas B-24 story

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/My-grandfather-always-used-to-tell-the-story-of-Christmas-1944-and-I-miss-him-/5-2282685/

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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, everyone! Lots of information to digest….

After giving this some thought. it would make just as much sense to go with 
coax and hardwired cameras as it would with POE cameras, as I’m going to be 
running cables to each camera anyway. That broadens the options for sure. I 
don’t care if it’s IP based or coax and an NVR, so I would think going with an 
integrated camera and NVR solution would probably make more sense and be less 
troublesome since it would be a complete system and not a collection of 
disparate parts.

More to study…

-D


> On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:29 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> IMO, POE is the only way to go.
> 
> Yes, it is.
> 
> 
>> You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than $50
>> but the imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua
>> starlight series.  Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving objects
>> (the only ones you actually care about), especially at night and ID is
>> nearly impossible. Low light cameras (like Dahua starlights) run at
>> higher shutter speed for less blur.  Several other brands (like Lorex
>> and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  Hikvision makes good cameras
>> too.  Look for international (not china) version cameras that will have
>> updatable firmware.  The US government has banned purchase of both of
>> these brands (possible spyware in firmware) but that shouldn't matter to
>> average users.
> 
> I would not put Dahua or HiK cameras on the Internet, but have them on
> their own network. Check for updatable firmware. Some of the stuff sold
> is not updatable.
> 
> 
>> If possible get everything in the same brand.
> 
> I have Q-See (rebadged Dahua) cameras and NVR (network video recorder)
> which I bought in 2015.
> 
> 
>> All ONVIF stuff is supposed to be interoperable but that's theoretical,
>> practically there will be limitations with mixed brands.  Go with
>> "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet cameras are easy to
>> repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras then to fog
>> and craze with time. Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable than
>> Wi-Fi and will allow reliable reconfiguration and firmware update over
>> the LAN. Most of the better cameras support a mini SD card that can
>> record motion events but you probably want a central recording
>> capability like a NVR (hopefully same brand as cameras) of software
>> like Blue Iris (which is great even with different camera brands).  You
>> can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be costly and cameras eat a lot
>> of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable, especially if you
>> supply the hard drive. The better cameras can be ordered with different
>> focal lengths so do some analysis to get the right lens.  For a few
>> bucks more you can get a varifocal (zoom) lens to get a custom field of
>> view. Don't get too hung up on megapixels.  My 2 MP Dahua starlights
>> provide a sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks. Pro-line cameras (like
>> Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have advanced processing like face
>> capture, person counting, etc.
> 
> Good information, Scott.
> 
> Note also you most likely will not be satisfied with just any old hard
> disk long term -- there is a reason WD has a line of disks specifically
> for surveillance.
> 
> 
>> Finally, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is an excellent information source if
>> you can stand the biases of the list mom (fenderman).  Just be aware
>> that anyone can post so there is no guarantee posted information is
>> accurate.
> 
> If you want a professional level site, go to IPVM, https://ipvm.com. If
> you want an invite, let me know.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Videos For Curley

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

And another one. 

https://youtu.be/cVrYt_pZRMc


Rick


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[MBZ] Videos For Curley

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://youtu.be/oYUDQBUVv3w

https://youtu.be/oblkaXRWPWw


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