Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

>From HPS: Standard window glass, according to the International Ultraviolet 
>Association, will allow UV-A to pass through while almost 100% of the UV-B and 
>UV-C light is blocked.

> -Original Message-
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> Jerry Herrman via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 1:40 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Jerry Herrman 
> Subject: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.
> 
> I did not know where to get this question answered so I decided to submit it 
> to
> the boys at The Mercedes Digest.  Somebody there surely knows the answer.
> After all, it is an automotive question, right?
> 
> After wearing my COVID face mask in the car, I leave it on the dashboard  so
> the sun's rays have an opportunity to kill any harmful microbes that may be
> present. Which brings up the question of whether or not  the ultraviolet rays
> can penetrate glass, specifically automotive windshield glass. It is my
> understanding that to kill microbes, a wavelength of 254 nanometers is
> necessary, most of which doesn't make it to earth. So is this a useful 
> practice
> or a fool's errand?
> 
> Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

Plexiglas = acrylic, so yeah, that's not stopping UV, but UV can make it
yellow and weak. IIRC it also shatters into sharp shards.
Not what I'd choose for a canopy.

Lexan = polycarbonate = more better.
PC eyeglass lenses are considered UV blocking. They're strong, moderately
high index, and block UV. The biggest argument against PC is it induces
chromatic aberration when you aren't looking through the center of the
lens.

Mitch.

On Wed, April 22, 2020 8:00 pm, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> Plexiglas does pass enough UV to cause sunburns, as I've gotten them in
> the past in an airplane. When we repaleced the windshield in the C182, I
> bought one with 95% UV blocking and could only get up to 50% IR blocking.
> It is
> noticeably more comfortable than plain Plexiglas, whether tinted green or
> gray, or clear.


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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have one on the pole up by the road where the underground line runs up to a 
pole transformer then the lines run to the house. It’s a fuse  Tree branches 
are always hitting the lines and shorting out the fuse which blows and sounds 
like a really loud gunshot. The guys show up and replace it usually pretty 
quickly. 

It helps that I let this kid who works for the power company hunt on the vast 
estate. If I need something I shoot him a text and he usually gets on it pretty 
quickly. Last fall before the hurricane we had some wind and rain before it and 
the wires got tangled up from a tree branch hitting them. He and his crew were 
sitting about a mile up the road when I texted him, two trucks showed up in 
about 3 minutes and 20 minutes later I had power back. Didn’t lose it during 
the storm. 

--FT
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>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> I did not even know such things were on the poles.
> 
>> On 4/22/2020 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Circuit interrupter. Like a big fuse. He used a “hot stick” to close it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>>> I did an online outage report online and about 15-20 minutes later I saw a 
>>> truck pull up outside and a couple of minutes later the power was back on. 
>>> The guy too a long stick and used it to flip something on the pole across 
>>> the street and power came back on.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Apr 22, 2020, at 6:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 Now that I'm in the boonies, the power is restored faster than it was when
 I lived in town - by the same power company. We were without for about 45
 minutes this afternoon, thanks to the T-storms.
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> You need a backup generator more than most since you’re out in the 
> boonies.
> -D
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

There was a lightening strike close by then power went out immediately.

On 4/22/2020 8:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Yup. Those are the protective devices for downstream loads, like the 
transformer that feeds your house. Lightning probably hit your distribution 
(11kV) line and caused the interrupter to pop. Circuit breaker is probably more 
appropriate than fuse, as it doesn’t consume anything when it fails, it just 
opens the circuit.

-D


On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I did not even know such things were on the poles.

On 4/22/2020 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Circuit interrupter. Like a big fuse. He used a “hot stick” to close it.

-D


On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I did an online outage report online and about 15-20 minutes later I saw a 
truck pull up outside and a couple of minutes later the power was back on. The 
guy too a long stick and used it to flip something on the pole across the 
street and power came back on.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 22, 2020, at 6:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

Now that I'm in the boonies, the power is restored faster than it was when
I lived in town - by the same power company. We were without for about 45
minutes this afternoon, thanks to the T-storms.


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

You need a backup generator more than most since you’re out in the boonies.

-D


On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yup. Those are the protective devices for downstream loads, like the 
transformer that feeds your house. Lightning probably hit your distribution 
(11kV) line and caused the interrupter to pop. Circuit breaker is probably more 
appropriate than fuse, as it doesn’t consume anything when it fails, it just 
opens the circuit.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did not even know such things were on the poles.
> 
> On 4/22/2020 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Circuit interrupter. Like a big fuse. He used a “hot stick” to close it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did an online outage report online and about 15-20 minutes later I saw a 
>>> truck pull up outside and a couple of minutes later the power was back on. 
>>> The guy too a long stick and used it to flip something on the pole across 
>>> the street and power came back on.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 22, 2020, at 6:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 Now that I'm in the boonies, the power is restored faster than it was when
 I lived in town - by the same power company. We were without for about 45
 minutes this afternoon, thanks to the T-storms.
 
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> You need a backup generator more than most since you’re out in the 
> boonies.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I did not even know such things were on the poles.

On 4/22/2020 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Circuit interrupter. Like a big fuse. He used a “hot stick” to close it.

-D


On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I did an online outage report online and about 15-20 minutes later I saw a 
truck pull up outside and a couple of minutes later the power was back on. The 
guy too a long stick and used it to flip something on the pole across the 
street and power came back on.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 22, 2020, at 6:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

Now that I'm in the boonies, the power is restored faster than it was when
I lived in town - by the same power company. We were without for about 45
minutes this afternoon, thanks to the T-storms.


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

You need a backup generator more than most since you’re out in the boonies.

-D


On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Circuit interrupter. Like a big fuse. He used a “hot stick” to close it.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did an online outage report online and about 15-20 minutes later I saw a 
> truck pull up outside and a couple of minutes later the power was back on. 
> The guy too a long stick and used it to flip something on the pole across the 
> street and power came back on. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 6:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Now that I'm in the boonies, the power is restored faster than it was when
>> I lived in town - by the same power company. We were without for about 45
>> minutes this afternoon, thanks to the T-storms.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need a backup generator more than most since you’re out in the boonies.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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>> 
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>> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I did an online outage report online and about 15-20 minutes later I saw a 
truck pull up outside and a couple of minutes later the power was back on. The 
guy too a long stick and used it to flip something on the pole across the 
street and power came back on. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 6:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Now that I'm in the boonies, the power is restored faster than it was when
> I lived in town - by the same power company. We were without for about 45
> minutes this afternoon, thanks to the T-storms.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You need a backup generator more than most since you’re out in the boonies.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Plexiglas does pass enough UV to cause sunburns, as I've gotten them in the
past in an airplane. When we repaleced the windshield in the C182, I bought
one with 95% UV blocking and could only get up to 50% IR blocking. It is
noticeably more comfortable than plain Plexiglas, whether tinted green or
gray, or clear.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 3:19 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Curt wrote:
>
> > I read the other day that a mask does little to protect you from
> > random COVID. Supposedly the mask keeps you from passing COVID
> > to somebody else...
>
> Yup.  Unless it seals tight against your face it does almost
> nothing to protect the wearer.
>
> A surgical mask it to keep the surgeon from infecting the patient,
> not the other way around!
>
>
> https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/409903O/respiratory-protection-against-biohazards.pdf
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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

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>
> Power stayed on here even with the thunderboomers.  Living a couple blocks
from the substation has its perks sometimes.
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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Now that I'm in the boonies, the power is restored faster than it was when
I lived in town - by the same power company. We were without for about 45
minutes this afternoon, thanks to the T-storms.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You need a backup generator more than most since you’re out in the boonies.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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[MBZ] Copart update

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

 I notice today that copart has added a new feature to their website.  
When you are looking at a listing they now have a spot that you can 
click to tell you if you are eligible to bit on that particular car.



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[MBZ] A cheap CDI

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.copart.com/lot/35955230


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Clay via Mercedes]

Alaska is nuts about their tabulations.  They are tracking almost anything 
available to nail down future disaster funds.  We are told how many new cases 
pop up, where, if it is travel related or they got it from the neighbors free 
roaming cat, who is locking down best and how much time you need to be wearing 
a mask, what the mask is made of, who sewed it, was it US fabric or from Asia.  
Totally ludicrous.  So far the death count is stalled at 9.  Each day a new 
drib or drab of infected, but over 50% recovered with all manner of health 
facilities begging for bodies in beds.  The unhoused are allowed to roam the 
streets unhindered, spreading plague as they gather to share bottles of Night 
Train.

The biggest idiocy to my mind.  The count of dead includes people who perished 
NOT in Alaska.  Nine dead.  A third of the statistic joined the Choir Eternal 
in the lower 48.  In the past month there have been SIX dead out of 329 ill 
with 162 all better, thank you for kissing my booboo and patting my head.

Your local figures may vary.  I am in no way belittling any tragedy you are 
encountering in your current place of habitation.  I do get a chuckle that the 
WRD struck Kolifornia weeks prior to the scary outbreak up in Seattle.  Over 
two months go by before we found out there was an ongoing infection event with 
bodies dropping.  Time for everybody to comb back through the numbers to better 
be able to assign cadavers to the list.  It does look as if the infection was 
carried across the Pacific by students returning from the holiday break to 
Universities on the west coast back in January.


clay 

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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anything and everything. If you test for COVID-19, that's your cause of
> death. You could be 105 years old with lung cancer, Alzheimers, ALS,
> liver failure, kidney failure, and diabetes but if you test positive for
> COVID-19 that's what goes on your death certificate. Almost like there
> is some push to have the death count as high as possible.
> 
> Indiana just added a bunch of deaths to the official count where there
> was no test but where symptoms were "consistent with" COVID-19.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Anything and everything. If you test for COVID-19, >that's your cause of death.

Here you go. Hahaha. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Nice W124 Diesel for AZ Bob

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Offer them 3k.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 5:29 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The dude uses my Indy. Nice.
>
> Bob R
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Only 130k on the clock! Hardly broke in!
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/yc87kupn
> >
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Clay via Mercedes]

A concatenation of events which precluded making a more salubrious housing 
selection.  Mostly having no knowledge of market/geography/socio-economic 
factors related to desirable neighborhoods within her price range.  There was 
also a short time range in which she had to nail down purchase due to tax laws 
related to real estate investment exchanges.  This was the best option given 
the steaming pile of dung the Anchorage market had at the time.

Not to say the selection is any better now.  Boom bust cycles around here have 
lots of inventory sitting in foreclosures, so, like with our cars, the things 
languish and decay before the banks get done with paperwork so the real estate 
can be put back on the market in a boom swing.  

Strangely, the fellow who owns The Alaska Mint (he just makes gold and silver 
coins and jewelry) has a spectacular home on a fly in lake a few blocks away, 
almost under the flight path of the cargo jets.  Reminds me of a Russian 
oligarch Dacha or large chapel in the woods.


clay 

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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 22/04/2020 3:56 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> The cargo stuff is jumping.  I am stuck at the south end of the runways, 
>> western window facing the flight path, as well as being right close enough 
>> to where the big (747, A380) spool up in the middle of the night.  A racket 
>> all day long that having triple pane glass would attenuate, were it not bass 
>> loaded that it comes through the walls.
>> 
>> This morning I watched UPS 747s lifting off for places far off.  One after 
>> the other at close to three minute intervals streaming off 33R/15L.  
>> Watching them coming in is a hoot, as they seem to barely skim the tree tops 
>> or look to be flying through the birch boughs.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
> So, why did your wife choose a house in such a location?
> 
> RB

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I guess the thinking is that were it not for COV 19 those people would
still be alive, pre-existing conditions notwithstanding.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anything and everything. If you test for COVID-19, that's your cause of
> death. You could be 105 years old with lung cancer, Alzheimers, ALS,
> liver failure, kidney failure, and diabetes but if you test positive for
> COVID-19 that's what goes on your death certificate. Almost like there
> is some push to have the death count as high as possible.
>
> Indiana just added a bunch of deaths to the official count where there
> was no test but where symptoms were "consistent with" COVID-19.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > OMG what next?
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:15 PM Clay via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Another strange symptom seems to show in people not expressing any other
> >> obvious manifestation.  Covid Toe!
> >>
> >> https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/15/bruises-feet-sign-coronavirus-12557291/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://hudson.wickedlocal.com/news/20200421/what-are-covid-toes-doctors-discover-symptom-of-coronavirus-mostly-seen-in-kids/1
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Don't recall if it has been mentioned on here but apparently the
> ability
> >> to smell peanut butter is another form of test. It has been determined
> that
> >> one of the symptoms of COVID-19 is often (not sure it is always ) the
> loss
> >> of olfactory sense. The loss may be gradual and those afflicted may not
> >> realize it is happening so the suggestion is that one sniff the peanut
> >> butter every morning to see if they can still smell it. The world is a
> >> weird place these days.
> >> >
> >> > RB
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Anything and everything. If you test for COVID-19, that's your cause of
death. You could be 105 years old with lung cancer, Alzheimers, ALS,
liver failure, kidney failure, and diabetes but if you test positive for
COVID-19 that's what goes on your death certificate. Almost like there
is some push to have the death count as high as possible.

Indiana just added a bunch of deaths to the official count where there
was no test but where symptoms were "consistent with" COVID-19.

Allan


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> OMG what next?
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:15 PM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Another strange symptom seems to show in people not expressing any other
>> obvious manifestation.  Covid Toe!
>>
>> https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/15/bruises-feet-sign-coronavirus-12557291/
>>
>>
>> https://hudson.wickedlocal.com/news/20200421/what-are-covid-toes-doctors-discover-symptom-of-coronavirus-mostly-seen-in-kids/1
>>
>> clay
>>
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Don't recall if it has been mentioned on here but apparently the ability
>> to smell peanut butter is another form of test. It has been determined that
>> one of the symptoms of COVID-19 is often (not sure it is always ) the loss
>> of olfactory sense. The loss may be gradual and those afflicted may not
>> realize it is happening so the suggestion is that one sniff the peanut
>> butter every morning to see if they can still smell it. The world is a
>> weird place these days.
>> >
>> > RB
>>
>>
>>
>> clay
>>
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.

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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And from here you can see exactly who they are and where they’re coming from or 
going to:

https://www.flightradar24.com/61.44,-150.68/7

One thing that amazes me are the number of old airframes still in service, like 
MD-11s and L-1011s.

-D


> On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The cargo stuff is jumping.  I am stuck at the south end of the runways, 
> western window facing the flight path, as well as being right close enough to 
> where the big (747, A380) spool up in the middle of the night.  A racket all 
> day long that having triple pane glass would attenuate, were it not bass 
> loaded that it comes through the walls.
> 
> This morning I watched UPS 747s lifting off for places far off.  One after 
> the other at close to three minute intervals streaming off 33R/15L.  Watching 
> them coming in is a hoot, as they seem to barely skim the tree tops or look 
> to be flying through the birch boughs.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:07 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I enjoy watching all of the cargo flights going in and out of ANC on 
>> FlightAware. It’s amazing how much cargo traffic there is back and forth to 
>> Asia. That place must be hopping in the overnight hours.
>> 
>> A woman who I used to work with had a son who was a FedEx pilot. He said 
>> that when he bid on schedules, which they had to do every month, he had 
>> enough seniority to get the MEM-ANC flights, which gave him enough hours in 
>> just a few weeks to meet his monthly requirements in short order.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Clay via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is still all the cargo airlines.  UPS/Amazon/FedEx, as well as 
>>> international carriers with lots of space to move products instead of 
>>> people.  Article in todays local news was about the steady increase in 
>>> cargo flights and massive reduction in people planes.  There is constant 
>>> (50-90 plane) cargo volume (all the cheep chinee contaminated test kits and 
>>> PPE) vs around six passenger flights landing in the past 24 hours.  Four 
>>> Alaska air flights instead of the normal few dozens.  Delta had a single 
>>> flight, as did United.
>>> 
>>> Tennessee and other cargo hubs must be seeing lots of volume and getting 
>>> inexpensive JetA that is not going into tourist flights.
>>> 
>>> clay 
>>> 
>>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 21, 2020, at 2:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being 
 consumed, either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…
 
 -D
 
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later the 
> refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens, they 
> will cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few 
> percent in favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of 
> fuels adjacent to diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of 
> diesel fuel could potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive 
> anything by truck, will be a bit of a glitch in your supply chain. 
> 
> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay 
>>> 
>>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 22/04/2020 3:56 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

The cargo stuff is jumping.  I am stuck at the south end of the runways, 
western window facing the flight path, as well as being right close enough to 
where the big (747, A380) spool up in the middle of the night.  A racket all 
day long that having triple pane glass would attenuate, were it not bass loaded 
that it comes through the walls.

This morning I watched UPS 747s lifting off for places far off.  One after the 
other at close to three minute intervals streaming off 33R/15L.  Watching them 
coming in is a hoot, as they seem to barely skim the tree tops or look to be 
flying through the birch boughs.


clay


So, why did your wife choose a house in such a location?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Plain 240D on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Because it isn't...

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:34 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> To me, it appeared to be under the trunk seal. Makes one wonder why just
> in that one corner?
>
> RB
>
> On 22/04/2020 3:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Sugestive of a blocked drain somewhere nearby
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:19 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> But they are getting scarce. I have been looking for one but not that
> >> price.That rust would be hard to weld. I avae never seen 123 rust there.
> >> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> They were blinded by the BaT aura.
> >>>
> >>> Believe me, Randy, there have been some real turds sold there by
> sellers
> >>> who are considered deities.I don’t know if that’s the case with this
> car,
> >>> but I’ve seen it happen. Strange.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  On 22/04/2020 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Otherwise clean, with rust in one location that looks dire. (see last
> >> 3
> > photos)
> >
> >
> >>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-240d-7/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-22
>  Someone paid $9,500 for that car with that rusty spot? I would have
> >>> thought that rust would have been a deal breaker for most people.
>  RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Clay via Mercedes]

The cargo stuff is jumping.  I am stuck at the south end of the runways, 
western window facing the flight path, as well as being right close enough to 
where the big (747, A380) spool up in the middle of the night.  A racket all 
day long that having triple pane glass would attenuate, were it not bass loaded 
that it comes through the walls.

This morning I watched UPS 747s lifting off for places far off.  One after the 
other at close to three minute intervals streaming off 33R/15L.  Watching them 
coming in is a hoot, as they seem to barely skim the tree tops or look to be 
flying through the birch boughs.


clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:07 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I enjoy watching all of the cargo flights going in and out of ANC on 
> FlightAware. It’s amazing how much cargo traffic there is back and forth to 
> Asia. That place must be hopping in the overnight hours.
> 
> A woman who I used to work with had a son who was a FedEx pilot. He said that 
> when he bid on schedules, which they had to do every month, he had enough 
> seniority to get the MEM-ANC flights, which gave him enough hours in just a 
> few weeks to meet his monthly requirements in short order.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> There is still all the cargo airlines.  UPS/Amazon/FedEx, as well as 
>> international carriers with lots of space to move products instead of 
>> people.  Article in todays local news was about the steady increase in cargo 
>> flights and massive reduction in people planes.  There is constant (50-90 
>> plane) cargo volume (all the cheep chinee contaminated test kits and PPE) vs 
>> around six passenger flights landing in the past 24 hours.  Four Alaska air 
>> flights instead of the normal few dozens.  Delta had a single flight, as did 
>> United.
>> 
>> Tennessee and other cargo hubs must be seeing lots of volume and getting 
>> inexpensive JetA that is not going into tourist flights.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 2:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being consumed, 
>>> either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later the 
 refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens, they 
 will cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few 
 percent in favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of 
 fuels adjacent to diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of 
 diesel fuel could potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive 
 anything by truck, will be a bit of a glitch in your supply chain. 
 
 Rick
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

This link, to see further discussion / information of China / purchase of
crude oil increase.
https://thepatriothill.com/politics/2020/04/22/china-rejoices-while-oil-industry-collapses-as-a-result-of-chinese-virus/?utm_source=sprklst_campaign=americantruth-china-04_22-mid

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:44 PM G Mann  wrote:

> On the other hand, Due to record low crude oil prices, China is making
> HUGE buys to fill their reserve capacity, which they have a lot of to
> fill...
> Clever  those Chineese crash the world economies and oil
> markets... then buy cheeep...
>
> Oil sales embargo anyone? ... Seems like a good idea...
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:31 PM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Last week it was the Canadian Dairy farmers tossing out thousands of
>> gallons of milk each day.  Supply and Demand and the need to maintain
>> pricing.  There is all manner of constipation coming in the food pipeline.
>> Far too much Just in Time going on and not enough long term vision.
>>
>> Maybe dairies need to hook up with cheese makers and make lots of aged
>> cheddar.  Fruit leather instead of fresh food.  Meat jerky over prime
>> cuts.  All the things preppers will need when the world shuts down and we
>> are using ammo instead of coinage as part of the barter system.  The small
>> time pulp mill will need armed guards when it becomes Fort TP, competing
>> with Fort Knox.
>>
>> Speaking of gold, prices are beginning to really climb.  Prognosticators
>> are expecting it to cross $3k/oz as other economic indicators drop through
>> the basement.  Probably based on the ability to mine fresh ore with a
>> limited healthy crew on site, growing demand for portable and inflation
>> proof investments, oil futures are not what they used to be.
>>
>>
>> clay
>>
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On a similar note, a caller in Limbaugh said her spouse worked in a
>> now-closed meat packing plant.  With these plants closed, the farmers have
>> no place to deliver adult hogs, no place to keep them (need the space for
>> new crop), and can't afford to feed them.  So these hogs are being
>> destroyed.  Aside from lost productivity (despite all the costs) this
>> creates a hole in the meat pipeline.
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

On the other hand, Due to record low crude oil prices, China is making HUGE
buys to fill their reserve capacity, which they have a lot of to fill...
Clever  those Chineese crash the world economies and oil markets...
then buy cheeep...

Oil sales embargo anyone? ... Seems like a good idea...

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:31 PM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Last week it was the Canadian Dairy farmers tossing out thousands of
> gallons of milk each day.  Supply and Demand and the need to maintain
> pricing.  There is all manner of constipation coming in the food pipeline.
> Far too much Just in Time going on and not enough long term vision.
>
> Maybe dairies need to hook up with cheese makers and make lots of aged
> cheddar.  Fruit leather instead of fresh food.  Meat jerky over prime
> cuts.  All the things preppers will need when the world shuts down and we
> are using ammo instead of coinage as part of the barter system.  The small
> time pulp mill will need armed guards when it becomes Fort TP, competing
> with Fort Knox.
>
> Speaking of gold, prices are beginning to really climb.  Prognosticators
> are expecting it to cross $3k/oz as other economic indicators drop through
> the basement.  Probably based on the ability to mine fresh ore with a
> limited healthy crew on site, growing demand for portable and inflation
> proof investments, oil futures are not what they used to be.
>
>
> clay
>
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>
>
>
> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On a similar note, a caller in Limbaugh said her spouse worked in a
> now-closed meat packing plant.  With these plants closed, the farmers have
> no place to deliver adult hogs, no place to keep them (need the space for
> new crop), and can't afford to feed them.  So these hogs are being
> destroyed.  Aside from lost productivity (despite all the costs) this
> creates a hole in the meat pipeline.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Plain 240D on BAT

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

To me, it appeared to be under the trunk seal. Makes one wonder why just 
in that one corner?


RB

On 22/04/2020 3:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Sugestive of a blocked drain somewhere nearby

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:19 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


But they are getting scarce. I have been looking for one but not that
price.That rust would be hard to weld. I avae never seen 123 rust there.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


They were blinded by the BaT aura.

Believe me, Randy, there have been some real turds sold there by sellers
who are considered deities.I don’t know if that’s the case with this car,
but I’ve seen it happen. Strange.

-D


On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

On 22/04/2020 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Otherwise clean, with rust in one location that looks dire. (see last

3

photos)



https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-240d-7/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-22

Someone paid $9,500 for that car with that rusty spot? I would have

thought that rust would have been a deal breaker for most people.

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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Clay via Mercedes]

Last week it was the Canadian Dairy farmers tossing out thousands of gallons of 
milk each day.  Supply and Demand and the need to maintain pricing.  There is 
all manner of constipation coming in the food pipeline.  Far too much Just in 
Time going on and not enough long term vision.

Maybe dairies need to hook up with cheese makers and make lots of aged cheddar. 
 Fruit leather instead of fresh food.  Meat jerky over prime cuts.  All the 
things preppers will need when the world shuts down and we are using ammo 
instead of coinage as part of the barter system.  The small time pulp mill will 
need armed guards when it becomes Fort TP, competing with Fort Knox.

Speaking of gold, prices are beginning to really climb.  Prognosticators are 
expecting it to cross $3k/oz as other economic indicators drop through the 
basement.  Probably based on the ability to mine fresh ore with a limited 
healthy crew on site, growing demand for portable and inflation proof 
investments, oil futures are not what they used to be.


clay 

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On a similar note, a caller in Limbaugh said her spouse worked in a 
> now-closed meat packing plant.  With these plants closed, the farmers have no 
> place to deliver adult hogs, no place to keep them (need the space for new 
> crop), and can't afford to feed them.  So these hogs are being destroyed.  
> Aside from lost productivity (despite all the costs) this creates a hole in 
> the meat pipeline.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Plain 240D on BAT

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Sugestive of a blocked drain somewhere nearby

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:19 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But they are getting scarce. I have been looking for one but not that
> price.That rust would be hard to weld. I avae never seen 123 rust there.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > They were blinded by the BaT aura.
> >
> > Believe me, Randy, there have been some real turds sold there by sellers
> > who are considered deities.I don’t know if that’s the case with this car,
> > but I’ve seen it happen. Strange.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 22/04/2020 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Otherwise clean, with rust in one location that looks dire. (see last
> 3
> > >> photos)
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-240d-7/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-22
> > >
> > > Someone paid $9,500 for that car with that rusty spot? I would have
> > thought that rust would have been a deal breaker for most people.
> > >
> > > RB
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OMG what next?

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:15 PM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Another strange symptom seems to show in people not expressing any other
> obvious manifestation.  Covid Toe!
>
> https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/15/bruises-feet-sign-coronavirus-12557291/
>
>
> https://hudson.wickedlocal.com/news/20200421/what-are-covid-toes-doctors-discover-symptom-of-coronavirus-mostly-seen-in-kids/1
>
> clay
>
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>
>
>
> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Don't recall if it has been mentioned on here but apparently the ability
> to smell peanut butter is another form of test. It has been determined that
> one of the symptoms of COVID-19 is often (not sure it is always ) the loss
> of olfactory sense. The loss may be gradual and those afflicted may not
> realize it is happening so the suggestion is that one sniff the peanut
> butter every morning to see if they can still smell it. The world is a
> weird place these days.
> >
> > RB
>
>
>
> clay
>
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Re: [MBZ] Plain 240D on BAT

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

But they are getting scarce. I have been looking for one but not that
price.That rust would be hard to weld. I avae never seen 123 rust there.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They were blinded by the BaT aura.
>
> Believe me, Randy, there have been some real turds sold there by sellers
> who are considered deities.I don’t know if that’s the case with this car,
> but I’ve seen it happen. Strange.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 22/04/2020 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Otherwise clean, with rust in one location that looks dire. (see last 3
> >> photos)
> >>
> >>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-240d-7/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-22
> >
> > Someone paid $9,500 for that car with that rusty spot? I would have
> thought that rust would have been a deal breaker for most people.
> >
> > RB
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> I read the other day that a mask does little to protect you from
> random COVID. Supposedly the mask keeps you from passing COVID
> to somebody else... 

Yup.  Unless it seals tight against your face it does almost
nothing to protect the wearer.

A surgical mask it to keep the surgeon from infecting the patient,
not the other way around!

https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/409903O/respiratory-protection-against-biohazards.pdf

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Re: [MBZ] Plain 240D on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It only has patina once.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They were blinded by the BaT aura.
>
> Believe me, Randy, there have been some real turds sold there by sellers
> who are considered deities.I don’t know if that’s the case with this car,
> but I’ve seen it happen. Strange.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 22/04/2020 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Otherwise clean, with rust in one location that looks dire. (see last 3
> >> photos)
> >>
> >>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-240d-7/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-22
> >
> > Someone paid $9,500 for that car with that rusty spot? I would have
> thought that rust would have been a deal breaker for most people.
> >
> > RB
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Pulse Oxymetry to detect COVID-19

[Clay via Mercedes]

Another strange symptom seems to show in people not expressing any other 
obvious manifestation.  Covid Toe!  

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/15/bruises-feet-sign-coronavirus-12557291/

https://hudson.wickedlocal.com/news/20200421/what-are-covid-toes-doctors-discover-symptom-of-coronavirus-mostly-seen-in-kids/1

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don't recall if it has been mentioned on here but apparently the ability to 
> smell peanut butter is another form of test. It has been determined that one 
> of the symptoms of COVID-19 is often (not sure it is always ) the loss of 
> olfactory sense. The loss may be gradual and those afflicted may not realize 
> it is happening so the suggestion is that one sniff the peanut butter every 
> morning to see if they can still smell it. The world is a weird place these 
> days.
> 
> RB



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Re: [MBZ] Plain 240D on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They were blinded by the BaT aura.

Believe me, Randy, there have been some real turds sold there by sellers who 
are considered deities.I don’t know if that’s the case with this car, but I’ve 
seen it happen. Strange.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 22/04/2020 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Otherwise clean, with rust in one location that looks dire. (see last 3
>> photos)
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-240d-7/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-22
> 
> Someone paid $9,500 for that car with that rusty spot? I would have thought 
> that rust would have been a deal breaker for most people.
> 
> RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Its blowing pretty hard here in north central MA today. I need to go check my 
game camera, not looking forward to the walk but turkey season starts Monday...
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 4:06:09 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Did a storm blow your shizzle around? 

Bob R

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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
>  Its good for you, builds character.
> -Curt
> 
>    On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 3:24:19 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Plain 240D on BAT

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On 22/04/2020 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Otherwise clean, with rust in one location that looks dire. (see last 3
photos)

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-240d-7/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-04-22


Someone paid $9,500 for that car with that rusty spot? I would have 
thought that rust would have been a deal breaker for most people.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Did a storm blow your shizzle around? 

Bob R

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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
>  Its good for you, builds character.
> -Curt
> 
>On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 3:24:19 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Clay via Mercedes]

I love the smell of marine diesel.  Not sure I would have enjoyed coal/steam 
cruising.

The NG powering of ships is a thing.  One of the companies running cargo to AK 
is retrofitting their boats with giant LNG tanks.  It must free up space in the 
hold for more of the heavy freight, as the tanks are pretty high on the stern.  
Really easy to target with an RPG were a terrorist so inclined.  Even painted 
bright green, so they are visible from heights.

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> They are starting to run cruise ships on natural gas.
> 
> That's good. I've never been on a cruise ship, but I talked to a
> co-worker about it years ago. He had just returned from a cruise and I
> asked him how it was. He said "it was two weeks of breathing diesel
> exhaust and no way to get away from it"
> 
> I've never been interested in a cruise since.
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Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Jerry wrote:

> After wearing my COVID face mask in the car, I leave it on the
> dashboard  so the sun's rays have an opportunity to kill any
> harmful microbes that may be present. Which brings up the
> question of whether or not  the ultraviolet rays can penetrate
> glass, specifically automotive windshield glass.

Yes, UV will get through, but greatly reduced.

> It is my understanding that to kill microbes, a wavelength of 254
> nanometers is necessary, most of which doesn't make it to earth.
> So is this a useful practice or a fool's errand?

The intensity of full sunlight is insufficient to deactivate a
lipid virus, so the UV exposure will do nothing for the Wuhan
flu.  However, the elevated temperature will definitely decrease
the time for the virus to deactivate.  

The UV exposure may be enough for bacteria or fungus - I don't
know.

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** GLK350 "Intake Manifold" Code?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Anyone have a clue?

 

DIL had to bring the 2010 GLK350 to the dock in HNL for shipment stateside 
because my boy is PCS from his USCG cutter in HNL to a small boat station in 
Warrenton, OR. But she gets a code when starting up, and Uncle will not accept 
a vehicle with code for shipment. So she takes it to the stealer.

 

Stealer informs her that the code is for the intake manifold, clears it, and 
the car is now enroute. She is worried that it will be a problem to drive from 
Seattle POE to my indie in Portland.

 

I recall something about carbon clogging intake manifolds, but I think that was 
for diesel Jettas.

 

Do any of you have an idea what would cause that code, and what the cure would 
be?

 

TIA,

 

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sprinkler Leak

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Thanks for the kudo.
It is strangely satisfying to chainsaw dirt... isn't it... hahaha..

One of my side investments is in an urban sawmill operation that harvests
damaged or storm damaged trees, many are exotic woods imported into the
desert environment to landscape expensive homes and golf courses...  The
logs are cut into boards, carefully dried, then processed by local wood
artist into furnitu*re and "other wood items". *So, I put my extra special
saw sharpening skills to work for chain saws... which most seem to hold in
awe.

So, sawing dirt is the exact opposite of making fine cuts in exotic woods
to preserve decades old urban growth [and in Arizona, carefully watered for
it's entire life].
Sort of my personal version of "save the whales"... balanced by "sawing
dirt" ... brought on by the salvage of the entire tree stump, which, when
cleaned properly [remove all rocks and dirt before saw milling] produces
some of the most exotic grain for table tops and other "wood art of
interest".

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:36 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Just wanted to follow up for kudos to Grant - Here’s why:
>
> After I used Don’s epoxy approach on the line break successfully I was
> able to pressurize the circuit. I knew I had at least one leak in the
> circuit as I had nicked the line with a shovel a few days ago when putting
> some new plantings in. As this leak was in an area close to another oak
> tree with prodigious roots, I used Grant’s suggestion in a slightly
> different way:
>
> I have one of those little chain saw limb attachments for my weed wacker.
> I don’t really care what happens to the chain, as it’s cheap and easily
> replaced. With Grant’s suggestion in mind, I used my chain saw/weed wacker
> to carve out a section of earth around the affected line. It made getting
> to the cracked section a piece of cake.
>
> I used a union and a coupling to patch the line, only to find out that
> there was another crack just a couple feet away! So again, I’ve utilized
> Grant’s chain saw excavation method to clear out the area around the newly
> discovered leak so I can patch it tonight after work.
>
> Both of these areas are covered with roots going every direction ranging
> from maybe 1/2” and smaller. The little chain saw goes through these like
> butter, allowing me to quickly excavate the area and not have to fight the
> roots.
>
> Thanks, Grant!
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[MBZ] Watching the Spacex Rocket go up now

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Getting ready to send one up in a few minutes. Depending on the angle of 
trajectory, we can see them go up from Tampa.  No matter what we can see them 
from my office (28th floor.)

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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Absolutely, The Internationals were probably as rusty if not more than the 
Chevys.

-D



> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> You want rust, you look for an International. Also very cool trucks but very 
> rusty.
> 
> I saw a FSJ (Full size Jeep) pickup the other day. It was in beautiful shape, 
> you don't see those around here very often anymore.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 3:05:44 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I always thought they were sort of “lumpy” looking. Very squared off.
> 
> I don’t recall 4WD being all that popular on pickup trucks until the 80s or 
> 90s. Back then if you wanted 4WD you would get a Jeep or an International.
> 
> Can’t forget the awful paint schemes on these, either. A base color and white 
> trim. Ugh.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Curt Raymond  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Both body styles from the '70s were super cool though. I'd love to have one 
> > of the pre-73 models. Apparently they didn't make a lot of them in 4wd, I 
> > see lots of 2wd but not many 4wd. It'd make a good camp truck if I could 
> > find one in 3/4 ton.
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 2:41:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Like Chevy pickup trucks. I can remember how rusty those things were in the 
> > 70s. The wheel arches would rust out so badly it wasn’t funny.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > > >> wrote:
> > > 
> > > All cars of that era were notorious for rusting away. The dealers had to 
> > > sell cars quickly before they rusted away on the lot...
> > > -Curt
> > > 
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> > > they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard 
> > > due to terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible, 
> > > Russian steel for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious 
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Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Its good for you, builds character.
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 3:24:19 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.

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Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:03:24 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Go to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12925188/?report=docsum for a
> listing of similar articles and their links:


For those who want even more information, particularly if you live in
areas with high UV (Arizona and New Mexico, among others), or are
concerned about skin cancer (particularly the third through fifth
articles):


Phys Med Biol. 1999 Apr;44(4):917-26.

Ultraviolet radiation penetrating vehicle glass: a field based
comparative study.

Kimlin MG[1], Parisi AV.

[1] Centre for Astronomy an Atmospheric Research, Faculty of Sciences,
University of Southern Queensland, Toowoomba, Australia.

Abstract

The solar UV transmitted through automobile glass was measured in the
field in two cars using a spectroradiometer. The two cars were identical
except that one of the cars had all of the windows (except the
windshield) tinted.

The measured spectral erythemal UV on a horizontal plane with the windows
fully closed was reduced in the tinted car by a factor of 42 when
compared with the erythemal UV measured in the untinted car.

The ambient UVA irradiances at various locations within four different
makes of car and a tractor were also measured with a broad band UVA
handheld meter. The average normalized daily UVA exposure (measured with
a broad band UVA meter) was 1.3 times higher in a large family sedan when
compared with that in a small hatchback and the UVA exposure in a car
with tinted windows was 3.8 times less than in a similar untinted car.

PMID: 10232805
 DOI: 10.1088/0031-9155/44/4/008 
=

=
Br J Dermatol. 2004 Oct;151(4):873-6.

Implication for photosensitive patients of ultraviolet A exposure in
vehicles.

Hampton PJ[1], Farr PM, Diffey BL, Lloyd JJ.

[1] Regional Medical Physics Department, Royal Victoria Infirmary,
Newcastle-upon-Tyne NE1 4LP, UK.

Abstract

BACKGROUND:

Photosensitive patients sometimes report disease flares during journeys
by car. Window glass blocks all UVB but not all UVA. All car windscreens
are made from laminated glass. Side and rear windows are usually made of
nonlaminated glass.

OBJECTIVES:

To determine which types of glass provide most protection from UVA with
particular reference to the implications for patients with polymorphic
light eruption (PLE).

METHODS:

The percentage transmission of UVA was determined for a selection of
glass, both laminated and nonlaminated, and with differing colour tints.

RESULTS:

Laminated glass transmits less UVA than nonlaminated glass. Tinted glass
transmits less UVA than clear glass. Nonlaminated clear glass transmitted
the highest percentage of UVA (62.8%) and grey laminated glass the lowest
(0.9%). A dose of 5 J cm(-2) UVA, enough to trigger PLE in some patients,
could be transmitted through clear nonlaminated glass in 30 min but would
take 50 h through grey laminated glass.

CONCLUSION:

Patients with severe UVA-induced PLE and other photosensitivity disorders
may have disease flares from solar UVA transmission through side-window
glass. Protective measures such as wearing long-sleeved clothing, keeping
the arm beneath the bottom of the window aperture, or choosing tinted and
laminated car windows may be helpful.

PMID: 15491429
 DOI: 10./j.1365-2133.2004.06098.x
=

=
J Long Term Eff Med Implants. 2004;14(5):415-30.

Use of UV-protective windows and window films to aid in the prevention
of skin cancer.

Edlich RF[1], Winters KL, Cox MJ, Becker DG, Horowitz JH, Nichter LS,
Britt LD, Long WB, Edlic EC.

[1] De Camp Burn and Wound Healing Center, University of Virginia
Health System, Charlottesville, Virginia, USA. redli...@attbi.com

Abstract

People are exposed to ambient solar ultraviolet (UV) radiation throughout
their daily routine, intentionally and unintentionally. Cumulative and
excessive exposure to UV radiation is the behavioral cause to skin
cancers, skin damage, premature skin aging, and sun-related eye
disorders. More than one million new cases of skin cancer were diagnosed
in the United States this year.

UV radiates directly and diffusely scattered by the various environmental
and atmospheric conditions and has access to the skin from all
directions. Because of this diffuse UV radiation, a person situated under
a covering, such as the roof of a car or house, is not completely
protected from the sun's rays. Because shade structures do not protect
effectively against UV radiation, there have been major advances in
photoprotection of glass by the development of specially designed
photoprotective windows and films.

It is the purpose of this collective review to highlight the
photoprotective windows and films that should be incorporated into
residential, commercial, and school glass windows to reduce sun exposure.
Low-emittence (low-E) coatings are microscopically thin, virtually
invisible, metal or metallic oxide layers 

Re: [MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You need a backup generator more than most since you’re out in the boonies.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You want rust, you look for an International. Also very cool trucks but very 
rusty.
I saw a FSJ (Full size Jeep) pickup the other day. It was in beautiful shape, 
you don't see those around here very often anymore.
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 3:05:44 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I always thought they were sort of “lumpy” looking. Very squared off.

I don’t recall 4WD being all that popular on pickup trucks until the 80s or 
90s. Back then if you wanted 4WD you would get a Jeep or an International.

Can’t forget the awful paint schemes on these, either. A base color and white 
trim. Ugh.

-D



> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Both body styles from the '70s were super cool though. I'd love to have one 
> of the pre-73 models. Apparently they didn't make a lot of them in 4wd, I see 
> lots of 2wd but not many 4wd. It'd make a good camp truck if I could find one 
> in 3/4 ton.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 2:41:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Like Chevy pickup trucks. I can remember how rusty those things were in the 
> 70s. The wheel arches would rust out so badly it wasn’t funny.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > All cars of that era were notorious for rusting away. The dealers had to 
> > sell cars quickly before they rusted away on the lot...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >    On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 1:41:36 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
> >mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
> > 
> > they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard due 
> > to terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible, Russian 
> > steel for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious for 
> > rusting away in Germany too.
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Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are several (non-turbo) 944s for sale in the area that are in the $5k 
range. Not garage queens, but well maintained and in good general condition for 
their age. We’ll probably go and look at a couple of them in the next week or 
two. There’s a later series two model that some puffy shirt buy here/pay here 
place has that’s a basket case. Story is that it was a charity donation car and 
when it showed up the head and all the related parts were in a box in the 
trunk. It’s actually quite nice looking and relatively low miles. Everything 
appears to be there from the pictures I’ve seen of it. However, they want 
stupid money ($4k) for it. Nice driver quality examples can be had for a few 
thousand more, so I’m not sure how they’re attempting to justify the price.

We’ll see.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, April 22, 2020 12:22 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> The youngest is on his Porsche 944 kick again, so I might get to live
>> vicariously through that if he ever follows through. Not holding my
>> breath, though.
> 
> With the asking prices I'm seeing for 944s now, might as well go all the
> way and get a 968. I saw a beautiful ragtop a couple of years ago, tan
> over dark green, for about $14k. Too bad it wasn't a stick and wasn't a
> coupe.
> https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/ctd/d/fort-lauderdale-1992-porsche-968-2dr/7099626205.html
> 
> https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/d/broomfield-1995-porsche-968-cabriolet/7108881625.html
> 
> Or if he's looking for a project that will be worth some real money when
> completed:
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[MBZ] I’m thinking about Poos

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Sitting here with no power wishing I had a backup generator like poos.

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Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Even if the UV doesn't kill the virus, a mask on hot dashboard in the
sun would not be hospitable for the virus due to the temperature. Might
not be an instant kill but doesn't seem like an environment where it
would live very long, as it doesn't seem to do well on paper or porous
surfaces to begin with. Virus seems to live longest on nonporous, hard
surfaces such as plastic, metal, glass, etc. Copper being an exception
for some reason.

If you're concerned about it, put the mask in a 200 degree oven for 15
minutes or so. Don't go too hot or you'll ruin the elastic. If you're
using a bandana type of face cover, just launder it.

Allan


Max Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> That's an interesting question. I know that most plastics will filter out the 
> UV.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
>
> Apr 22, 2020 1:40:42 PM Jerry Herrman via Mercedes :
>
>> I did not know where to get this question answered so I decided to submit it
>> to the boys at The Mercedes Digest. Somebody there surely knows the
>> answer. After all, it is an automotive question, right?
>> 
>> After wearing my COVID face mask in the car, I leave it on the dashboard so
>> the sun's rays have an opportunity to kill any harmful microbes that may be
>> present. Which brings up the question of whether or not the ultraviolet
>> rays can penetrate glass, specifically automotive windshield glass. It is my
>> understanding that to kill microbes, a wavelength of 254 nanometers is
>> necessary, most of which doesn't make it to earth. So is this a useful
>> practice or a fool's errand?
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> 1982 240D
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I don’t recall 4WD being all that popular on pickup trucks until the 80s or 
> 90s.

When I was a kid (60-70's), in semi-farm country, most pickups were NOT 4wd.
Nor were tractors.  The neighbors had a 4wd F100 that we'd had to borrow a
time or two.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Nice W124 Diesel for AZ Bob

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Both are inferior and quite unreliable compared to this car.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Apr 22, 2020 10:17:54 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Might be able to find a decent 211 CDI for that money.
> 
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> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 7:25 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> > 
> > Wow. $4k. Could find a nice newer 210 for that money
> > 
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
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> > 
> > > On Apr 22, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Only 130k on the clock! Hardly broke in!
> > > 
> > > https://tinyurl.com/yc87kupn
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Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

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On Wed, April 22, 2020 12:22 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> The youngest is on his Porsche 944 kick again, so I might get to live
> vicariously through that if he ever follows through. Not holding my
> breath, though.

With the asking prices I'm seeing for 944s now, might as well go all the
way and get a 968. I saw a beautiful ragtop a couple of years ago, tan
over dark green, for about $14k. Too bad it wasn't a stick and wasn't a
coupe.
https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/ctd/d/fort-lauderdale-1992-porsche-968-2dr/7099626205.html

https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/d/broomfield-1995-porsche-968-cabriolet/7108881625.html

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completed:
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I always thought they were sort of “lumpy” looking. Very squared off.

I don’t recall 4WD being all that popular on pickup trucks until the 80s or 
90s. Back then if you wanted 4WD you would get a Jeep or an International.

Can’t forget the awful paint schemes on these, either. A base color and white 
trim. Ugh.

-D



> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Both body styles from the '70s were super cool though. I'd love to have one 
> of the pre-73 models. Apparently they didn't make a lot of them in 4wd, I see 
> lots of 2wd but not many 4wd. It'd make a good camp truck if I could find one 
> in 3/4 ton.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 2:41:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Like Chevy pickup trucks. I can remember how rusty those things were in the 
> 70s. The wheel arches would rust out so badly it wasn’t funny.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > All cars of that era were notorious for rusting away. The dealers had to 
> > sell cars quickly before they rusted away on the lot...
> > -Curt
> > 
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> > 
> > they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard due 
> > to terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible, Russian 
> > steel for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious for 
> > rusting away in Germany too.
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Both body styles from the '70s were super cool though. I'd love to have one of 
the pre-73 models. Apparently they didn't make a lot of them in 4wd, I see lots 
of 2wd but not many 4wd. It'd make a good camp truck if I could find one in 3/4 
ton.

-Curt

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 2:41:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Like Chevy pickup trucks. I can remember how rusty those things were in the 
70s. The wheel arches would rust out so badly it wasn’t funny.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
> All cars of that era were notorious for rusting away. The dealers had to sell 
> cars quickly before they rusted away on the lot...
> -Curt
> 
>    On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 1:41:36 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard due to 
> terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible, Russian steel 
> for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious for rusting away 
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1991 Mercedes Benz 420SEL

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Take a $1000 (Or $800 now) winger for an experience, you’ll enjoy it. 

--FT
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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> He’s dropped it to $1200. I’ve never had a w126 before. Maybe I don’t know 
> what I’m missing? 
> 
> Bob R
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does the AC BLOW ICE COLD???
>> 
>> I bet $1000 or $1200 cash money would get it. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
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 On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dude is dropping the price….
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

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Like Chevy pickup trucks. I can remember how rusty those things were in the 
70s. The wheel arches would rust out so badly it wasn’t funny.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
> All cars of that era were notorious for rusting away. The dealers had to sell 
> cars quickly before they rusted away on the lot...
> -Curt
> 
>On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 1:41:36 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard due to 
> terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible, Russian steel 
> for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious for rusting away 
> in Germany too.
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1991 Mercedes Benz 420SEL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, the 420s weren’t known for their mileage, that’s for sure. However, the 
one I had for short time did OK as long as I wasn’t mashing the throttle. I 
think I got in the upper teens around town and into the low 20s on the highway.

Diesel or gas, they’re still a great ride, though.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> Not terribly frugal, though. Mid teens are good, maybe high teens if you 
>> drive it to the nuke plant and back.
> 
> Of course, our SDL basically never turned in less than 27mpg.  That's why 
> they are so desirable.
> 
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[MBZ] OT - Sprinkler Leak

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just wanted to follow up for kudos to Grant - Here’s why:

After I used Don’s epoxy approach on the line break successfully I was able to 
pressurize the circuit. I knew I had at least one leak in the circuit as I had 
nicked the line with a shovel a few days ago when putting some new plantings 
in. As this leak was in an area close to another oak tree with prodigious 
roots, I used Grant’s suggestion in a slightly different way:

I have one of those little chain saw limb attachments for my weed wacker. I 
don’t really care what happens to the chain, as it’s cheap and easily replaced. 
With Grant’s suggestion in mind, I used my chain saw/weed wacker to carve out a 
section of earth around the affected line. It made getting to the cracked 
section a piece of cake.

I used a union and a coupling to patch the line, only to find out that there 
was another crack just a couple feet away! So again, I’ve utilized Grant’s 
chain saw excavation method to clear out the area around the newly discovered 
leak so I can patch it tonight after work.

Both of these areas are covered with roots going every direction ranging from 
maybe 1/2” and smaller. The little chain saw goes through these like butter, 
allowing me to quickly excavate the area and not have to fight the roots.

Thanks, Grant! 

-D
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1991 Mercedes Benz 420SEL

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> Not terribly frugal, though. Mid teens are good, maybe high teens if you 
> drive it to the nuke plant and back.

Of course, our SDL basically never turned in less than 27mpg.  That's why they 
are so desirable.

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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1991 Mercedes Benz 420SEL

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Land yacht, baby. Think about sitting on your family room couch watching TV, 
all comfy. That's what an S class is all about, be it a W126 or W140.

Not terribly frugal, though. Mid teens are good, maybe high teens if you drive 
it to the nuke plant and back.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> He’s dropped it to $1200. I’ve never had a w126 before. Maybe I don’t know 
> what I’m missing? 
> 
> Bob R
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does the AC BLOW ICE COLD???
>> 
>> I bet $1000 or $1200 cash money would get it. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dude is dropping the price….
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 And most automotive glass is glass with plastic. Today just about all 
automotive glass has at least a little tint on it which would, I'd think, 
remove any UV.
I read the other day that a mask does little to protect you from random COVID. 
Supposedly the mask keeps you from passing COVID to somebody else...
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 1:54:22 PM EDT, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That's an interesting question. I know that most plastics will filter out the 
UV.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Apr 22, 2020 1:40:42 PM Jerry Herrman via Mercedes :

> I did not know where to get this question answered so I decided to submit it
> to the boys at The Mercedes Digest. Somebody there surely knows the
> answer. After all, it is an automotive question, right?
> 
> After wearing my COVID face mask in the car, I leave it on the dashboard so
> the sun's rays have an opportunity to kill any harmful microbes that may be
> present. Which brings up the question of whether or not the ultraviolet
> rays can penetrate glass, specifically automotive windshield glass. It is my
> understanding that to kill microbes, a wavelength of 254 nanometers is
> necessary, most of which doesn't make it to earth. So is this a useful
> practice or a fool's errand?
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

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On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:39:56 -0700 Jerry Herrman via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I did not know where to get this question answered so I decided to
> submit it to the boys at The Mercedes Digest.  Somebody there surely
> knows the answer. After all, it is an automotive question, right? 
> 
> After wearing my COVID face mask in the car, I leave it on the
> dashboard  so the sun's rays have an opportunity to kill any harmful
> microbes that may be present. Which brings up the question of whether
> or not  the ultraviolet rays can penetrate glass, specifically
> automotive windshield glass. It is my understanding that to kill
> microbes, a wavelength of 254 nanometers is necessary, most of which
> doesn't make it to earth. So is this a useful practice or a fool's
> errand?

Sorry, Jerry, it's a fool's errand. It was tested in 2003 and that with
the right kind of cars!


Craig


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12925188/

Photodermatol Photoimmunol Photomed. 2003 Aug;19(4):175-81.
UV exposure in cars.

Moehrle M[1], Soballa M, Korn M.

[1] Department of Dermatology, University of Tuebingen, Germany.
matthias.moeh...@med.uni-tuebingen.de Abstract

BACKGROUND:

There is increasing knowledge about the hazards of solar and ultraviolet
(UV) radiation to humans. Although people spend a significant time in
cars, data on UV exposure during traveling are lacking. The aim of this
study was to obtain basic information on personal UV exposure in cars.

METHODS:

UV transmission of car glass samples, windscreen, side and back windows
and sunroof, was determined. UV exposure of passengers was evaluated in
seven German middle-class cars, fitted with three different types of car
windows. UV doses were measured with open or closed windows/sunroof of
Mercedes-Benz E220T, E320, and S500, and in an open convertible car
(Mercedes-Benz CLK). Bacillus subtilis spore film dosimeters (Viospor)
were attached to the front, vertex, cheeks, upper arms, forearms and
thighs of 'adult' and 'child' dummies.

RESULTS:

UV wavelengths longer than >335 nm were transmitted through car windows,
and UV irradiation >380 nm was transmitted through compound glass
windscreens. There was some variation in the spectral transmission of
side windows according to the type of glass. On the arms, UV exposure was
3-4% of ambient radiation when the car windows were shut, and 25-31% of
ambient radiation when the windows were open. In the open convertible
car, the relative personal doses reached 62% of ambient radiation.

CONCLUSIONS:

The car glass types examined offer substantial protection against
short-wave UV radiation. Professional drivers should keep car windows
closed on sunny days to reduce occupational UV exposure. In individuals
with polymorphic light eruption, produced by long-wave UVA, additional
protection by plastic films, clothes or sunscreens appears necessary.

PMID: 12925188
 DOI: 10.1034/j.1600-0781.2003.00031.x


=
Go to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12925188/?report=docsum for a
listing of similar articles and their links:

Ultraviolet radiation penetrating vehicle glass: a field based
comparative study.[Phys Med Biol. 1999]

Implication for photosensitive patients of ultraviolet A exposure in
vehicles.[Br J Dermatol. 2004]

Use of UV-protective windows and window
films to aid in the prevention of skin cancer.[J Long Term Eff Med
Implants. ...]

Review
Broad-spectrum photoprotection: the roles of tinted auto windows,
sunscreens and browning agents in the diagnosis and treatment of
photosensitivity. [Dermatology. 1992]

Review
Current status of photoprotection by window glass, automobile glass,
window films, and sunglasses.

These would seem to provide more and more definitive information.

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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1991 Mercedes Benz 420SEL

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

You don’t. 

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> He’s dropped it to $1200. I’ve never had a w126 before. Maybe I don’t know 
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>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does the AC BLOW ICE COLD???
>> 
>> I bet $1000 or $1200 cash money would get it. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I would agree with that. I have been on 6 or 7 and I don’t recall ever smelling 
anything except maybe when in port and the wind happens to blow a little bit of 
smell toward you. Nothing big though. 

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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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>  They must have gone on a cut-rate lousy cruise. We've been on 3 and there 
> might be a wiff of diesel now and again when you're on deck but its very 
> occasional.
> -Curt
> 
>On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 1:28:48 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> They are starting to run cruise ships on natural gas.
> 
> That's good. I've never been on a cruise ship, but I talked to a
> co-worker about it years ago. He had just returned from a cruise and I
> asked him how it was. He said "it was two weeks of breathing diesel
> exhaust and no way to get away from it"
> 
> I've never been interested in a cruise since.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Plain 240D on BAT

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For that price you think they would put some decent tires on it instead of dry 
rotted bald tire 

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> Otherwise clean, with rust in one location that looks dire. (see last 3
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Re: [MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's an interesting question. I know that most plastics will filter out the 
UV.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Apr 22, 2020 1:40:42 PM Jerry Herrman via Mercedes :

> I did not know where to get this question answered so I decided to submit it
> to the boys at The Mercedes Digest. Somebody there surely knows the
> answer. After all, it is an automotive question, right?
> 
> After wearing my COVID face mask in the car, I leave it on the dashboard so
> the sun's rays have an opportunity to kill any harmful microbes that may be
> present. Which brings up the question of whether or not the ultraviolet
> rays can penetrate glass, specifically automotive windshield glass. It is my
> understanding that to kill microbes, a wavelength of 254 nanometers is
> necessary, most of which doesn't make it to earth. So is this a useful
> practice or a fool's errand?
> 
> Jerry
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1991 Mercedes Benz 420SEL

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Beware the car that has been vandalized.  In addition to slashing the
driver's seat he/she might also have sugared the fuel tank

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> He’s dropped it to $1200. I’ve never had a w126 before. Maybe I don’t know
> what I’m missing?
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> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Does the AC BLOW ICE COLD???
> >
> > I bet $1000 or $1200 cash money would get it.
> >
> > --FT
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> >>
> >> Dude is dropping the price….
> >>
> >> Bob R
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

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Slight overstatement.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:45 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>  All cars of that era were notorious for rusting away. The dealers had to
> sell cars quickly before they rusted away on the lot...
> -Curt
>
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>  they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard
> due to terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible,
> Russian steel for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1991 Mercedes Benz 420SEL

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He’s dropped it to $1200. I’ve never had a w126 before. Maybe I don’t know what 
I’m missing? 

Bob R

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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> Does the AC BLOW ICE COLD???
> 
> I bet $1000 or $1200 cash money would get it. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Dude is dropping the price….
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 All cars of that era were notorious for rusting away. The dealers had to sell 
cars quickly before they rusted away on the lot...
-Curt

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 1:41:36 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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 they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard due to 
terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible, Russian steel 
for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious for rusting away in 
Germany too.
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 They must have gone on a cut-rate lousy cruise. We've been on 3 and there 
might be a wiff of diesel now and again when you're on deck but its very 
occasional.
-Curt

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 1:28:48 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> They are starting to run cruise ships on natural gas.

That's good. I've never been on a cruise ship, but I talked to a
co-worker about it years ago. He had just returned from a cruise and I
asked him how it was. He said "it was two weeks of breathing diesel
exhaust and no way to get away from it"

I've never been interested in a cruise since.

Allan

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[MBZ] Can ultraviolet light penetrate glass.

[Jerry Herrman via Mercedes]

I did not know where to get this question answered so I decided to submit it
to the boys at The Mercedes Digest.  Somebody there surely knows the
answer. After all, it is an automotive question, right? 

After wearing my COVID face mask in the car, I leave it on the dashboard  so
the sun's rays have an opportunity to kill any harmful microbes that may be
present. Which brings up the question of whether or not  the ultraviolet
rays can penetrate glass, specifically automotive windshield glass. It is my
understanding that to kill microbes, a wavelength of 254 nanometers is
necessary, most of which doesn't make it to earth. So is this a useful
practice or a fool's errand?

Jerry 

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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1991 Mercedes Benz 420SEL

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Does the AC BLOW ICE COLD???

I bet $1000 or $1200 cash money would get it. 

--FT
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> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> Dude is dropping the price….
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] FW: * 1977 MERCEDES-BENZ 450SL RED INTERIOR NOT RUNNING

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Red MBtex weathers well.

That 420SEL looks like a nice car for the money, and they appear to have 
addressed all the major maintenance issues. For $1500 you could drive it until 
it pukes and still be ahead.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> How do those seats look so good it having say since 1992?
> 
> Bob R
> 
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> * 1977 MERCEDES-BENZ 450SL RED INTERIOR NOT RUNNING
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[MBZ] FW: * 1977 MERCEDES-BENZ 450SL RED INTERIOR NOT RUNNING

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How do those seats look so good it having say since 1992?

Bob R


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[MBZ] FW: 1991 Mercedes Benz 420SEL

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Dude is dropping the price….

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[MBZ] Plain 240D on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Otherwise clean, with rust in one location that looks dire. (see last 3
photos)

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Re: [MBZ] Pine green 280SE 4.5 on BAT

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I guess the broken heater levers tamped down some of the irrational
exuberance.  Final price was $20,250.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 1:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Yeah, for a car worth that kind of money I find it telling that someone
> wouldn’t expend the time, effort or money to resolve the heater levers. It
> sort of cheapens the whole thing.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The broken heater control valves are a red flag, though.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 1:41 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> they are getting rare in good condition -- I sent mine to the junkyard
> due
> >> to terminal rust.  All the German cars of that age were terrible,
> Russian
> >> steel for the most part.  Ditto for W116s --- they were notorious for
> >> rusting away in Germany too.
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Re: [MBZ] Why is gas not running about .25 per gallon?

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ANC - Anchorage??  MEM - ??

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:07 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> I enjoy watching all of the cargo flights going in and out of ANC on
> FlightAware. It’s amazing how much cargo traffic there is back and forth to
> Asia. That place must be hopping in the overnight hours.
>
> A woman who I used to work with had a son who was a FedEx pilot. He said
> that when he bid on schedules, which they had to do every month, he had
> enough seniority to get the MEM-ANC flights, which gave him enough hours in
> just a few weeks to meet his monthly requirements in short order.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 21, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > There is still all the cargo airlines.  UPS/Amazon/FedEx, as well as
> international carriers with lots of space to move products instead of
> people.  Article in todays local news was about the steady increase in
> cargo flights and massive reduction in people planes.  There is constant
> (50-90 plane) cargo volume (all the cheep chinee contaminated test kits and
> PPE) vs around six passenger flights landing in the past 24 hours.  Four
> Alaska air flights instead of the normal few dozens.  Delta had a single
> flight, as did United.
> >
> > Tennessee and other cargo hubs must be seeing lots of volume and getting
> inexpensive JetA that is not going into tourist flights.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 21, 2020, at 2:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> True, and think of the huge volumes of jet fuel that aren’t being
> consumed, either. Lots of idle time at the refinery…
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 1:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I probably wrote this before, but it bears repeating. Sooner or later
> the refineries will run out of storage for gasoline. When that happens,
> they will cease production. The refining process can only be skewed a few
> percent in favor of diesel or gasoline. Depending on the consumption of
> fuels adjacent to diesel on the cracking spectrum, the availability of
> diesel fuel could potentially be interrupted. Which, if you receive
> anything by truck, will be a bit of a glitch in your supply chain.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] CL Search Question

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I second the motion:  Autotempest provides links to Craigslist sites within
the parameters of your original search, e.g. distance from your zipcode.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:50 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Thanks, Rick! I hadn’t dug down that deeply into the search arguments yet,
> but this is definitely the direction I was going.
>
> For what it’s worth, while I was searching for ways to configure search
> parameters on CL I came across a BuzzFeed article about searching CL with a
> bunch of fun phrases that bring up some interesting stuff:
>
> "My wife/husband is making me"
> "My wife/husband doesn't like"
> "My wife/husband won't let me"
> "But now we have kids"
> are a great way to find fun and/or luxury items that people are getting
> rid of.
> Phrases and words like:
> "Leaving country"
> "Liquidation"
> "End of lease"
> "Must go"
> "No reasonable offer refused"
> "Everything must go"
> “ASAP"
>
> Again, thanks!
>
> -D
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=Porche%7CPorsche%7Cporsh%7Cporshe+944=rel=T
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Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As in my previous post, I really enjoy the initial sorting of a car when you 
first get it. It’s the best part, I think, as you often get things working 
properly by just putting things back to where they should be.

I’m sort of longing for a project these days, but I can’t get motivated to do 
it and haven’t really seen anything out there that gets me going.

The youngest is on his Porsche 944 kick again, so I might get to live 
vicariously through that if he ever follows through. Not holding my breath, 
though.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> Geez. Dan is getting off on this car... 
> BTW, what is ILW for vacuum lines?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s especially satisfying (to me, at least) to get everything back to original 
so you know its right. Call me a purist, but there’s some logic behind that 
mindset when it comes to things like engines and other systems. You really 
can’t second guess the guys and gals who designed these things.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the info, it looks like it could be a sorta fun and satisfying 
> effort.  I have all those files on the DVDs I bought and loaded on my winders 
> laptop, and the 123 CDs, I'll have to dig into them and get the pics and such 
> and do some googling.  I guess they are all online too.  I'll order some 
> hoses and fittings and those valves.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 4/22/20 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> This is why I keep a length of bulk hose on hand at all times. The hard 
>> vacuum lines are often either missing or so brittle that the minute you 
>> fiddle with them they shatter into a million pieces.
>> 
>> You can get a good idea of what attaches to what just looking at the line 
>> drawing I linked to, but there should e a vacuum line drawing in the engine 
>> compartment, I think. If not, you can find them online, too.
>> 
>> These are temperature switches that direct or cut off vacuum to various 
>> parts of the injection system based on coolant temperature. The switches 
>> just screw in/out of the block, and if you relive pressure on the cooling 
>> system can be changed with minimal leakage, if any. These are critical to 
>> the proper operation of the system, as they affect how it responds based on 
>> engine temperature. That and vacuum leaks are a BAD THING for any of these 
>> cars, too. It would be interesting to see if any of the vacuum ports on the 
>> manifold and injection system are capped off. If not, it’s guaranteed to run 
>> poorly, if at all.
>> 
>> This is real elementary stuff, so don’t be amazed by it. Again, I can’t 
>> emphasize enough how important it is to get everything back to original in 
>> this regard before doing any troubleshooting. For that matter, if you’re 
>> living right getting everything hooked up properly could very well make it 
>> work just fine. But until you do, you’re treading water. There’s no way to 
>> know if the fuel system is working properly until it’s restored back to it’s 
>> proper working configuration.
>> 
>> I’ve had more than one car that’s been just lousy until I sorted out all the 
>> hoses and fittings and made them right again. You know how crappy the 
>> diesels and shifting are if the vacuum isn’t right? Pretty much the same 
>> concept.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, thanks. Those are the things on the block?  To what would they then 
>>> attach?  Vacuum?  Or to some other part of the FI? And what is that 
>>> threaded hole in the back for?  Looks like some other kind of sensor.
>>> 
>>> I need to get line and fittings I guess, a lot of what’s there could stand 
>>> to be replaced
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken 
 off at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about 
 $22-$25/each.
 
 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees
 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees
 
 -D
 
 
> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the 
> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced 
> easily. In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t 
> identify, but it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional.
> 
> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system 
> gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything 
> and make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I 
> have found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and 
> replace everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if 
> you do’t get this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get 
> things working properly.
> 
> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of 
> the stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for 
> most people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various 
> types along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections.
> 
> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably 
> makes it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has 
> the usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being 
> black they’re not that noticeable, however.

Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Geez. Dan is getting off on this car... 
BTW, what is ILW for vacuum lines?

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Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Thanks for the info, it looks like it could be a sorta fun and 
satisfying effort.  I have all those files on the DVDs I bought and 
loaded on my winders laptop, and the 123 CDs, I'll have to dig into them 
and get the pics and such and do some googling.  I guess they are all 
online too.  I'll order some hoses and fittings and those valves.


--FT

On 4/22/20 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This is why I keep a length of bulk hose on hand at all times. The hard vacuum 
lines are often either missing or so brittle that the minute you fiddle with 
them they shatter into a million pieces.

You can get a good idea of what attaches to what just looking at the line 
drawing I linked to, but there should e a vacuum line drawing in the engine 
compartment, I think. If not, you can find them online, too.

These are temperature switches that direct or cut off vacuum to various parts 
of the injection system based on coolant temperature. The switches just screw 
in/out of the block, and if you relive pressure on the cooling system can be 
changed with minimal leakage, if any. These are critical to the proper 
operation of the system, as they affect how it responds based on engine 
temperature. That and vacuum leaks are a BAD THING for any of these cars, too. 
It would be interesting to see if any of the vacuum ports on the manifold and 
injection system are capped off. If not, it’s guaranteed to run poorly, if at 
all.

This is real elementary stuff, so don’t be amazed by it. Again, I can’t 
emphasize enough how important it is to get everything back to original in this 
regard before doing any troubleshooting. For that matter, if you’re living 
right getting everything hooked up properly could very well make it work just 
fine. But until you do, you’re treading water. There’s no way to know if the 
fuel system is working properly until it’s restored back to it’s proper working 
configuration.

I’ve had more than one car that’s been just lousy until I sorted out all the 
hoses and fittings and made them right again. You know how crappy the diesels 
and shifting are if the vacuum isn’t right? Pretty much the same concept.

-D


On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Wow, thanks. Those are the things on the block?  To what would they then 
attach?  Vacuum?  Or to some other part of the FI? And what is that threaded 
hole in the back for?  Looks like some other kind of sensor.

I need to get line and fittings I guess, a lot of what’s there could stand to 
be replaced

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off at 
the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each.

000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees
000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees

-D



On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the vacuum/temperature 
switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. In #30 there’s some 
sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but it’s clearly 
disconnected but may be functional.

What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system gets 
boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and make it 
work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have found is to 
get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace everything in the 
system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get this sorted out of 
the gate you’ll never be able to get things working properly.

Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the 
stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most 
people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types along 
with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections.

I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes it 
a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the usual 
cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black they’re not 
that noticeable, however.

If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and then 
get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least at that 
point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you have to 
mess with the FI at all.

-D



On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, will 
deal with that soon.  Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it and I 
think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I will add to 
the folder later today along with some others.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI

Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold 

Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is why I keep a length of bulk hose on hand at all times. The hard vacuum 
lines are often either missing or so brittle that the minute you fiddle with 
them they shatter into a million pieces.

You can get a good idea of what attaches to what just looking at the line 
drawing I linked to, but there should e a vacuum line drawing in the engine 
compartment, I think. If not, you can find them online, too.

These are temperature switches that direct or cut off vacuum to various parts 
of the injection system based on coolant temperature. The switches just screw 
in/out of the block, and if you relive pressure on the cooling system can be 
changed with minimal leakage, if any. These are critical to the proper 
operation of the system, as they affect how it responds based on engine 
temperature. That and vacuum leaks are a BAD THING for any of these cars, too. 
It would be interesting to see if any of the vacuum ports on the manifold and 
injection system are capped off. If not, it’s guaranteed to run poorly, if at 
all.

This is real elementary stuff, so don’t be amazed by it. Again, I can’t 
emphasize enough how important it is to get everything back to original in this 
regard before doing any troubleshooting. For that matter, if you’re living 
right getting everything hooked up properly could very well make it work just 
fine. But until you do, you’re treading water. There’s no way to know if the 
fuel system is working properly until it’s restored back to it’s proper working 
configuration.

I’ve had more than one car that’s been just lousy until I sorted out all the 
hoses and fittings and made them right again. You know how crappy the diesels 
and shifting are if the vacuum isn’t right? Pretty much the same concept.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow, thanks. Those are the things on the block?  To what would they then 
> attach?  Vacuum?  Or to some other part of the FI? And what is that threaded 
> hole in the back for?  Looks like some other kind of sensor. 
> 
> I need to get line and fittings I guess, a lot of what’s there could stand to 
> be replaced 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off 
>> at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about 
>> $22-$25/each. 
>> 
>> 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees
>> 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the 
>>> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced 
>>> easily. In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t 
>>> identify, but it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional.
>>> 
>>> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system 
>>> gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything 
>>> and make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I 
>>> have found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace 
>>> everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t 
>>> get this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working 
>>> properly.
>>> 
>>> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the 
>>> stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most 
>>> people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types 
>>> along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections.
>>> 
>>> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably 
>>> makes it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has 
>>> the usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black 
>>> they’re not that noticeable, however. 
>>> 
>>> If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and 
>>> then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least 
>>> at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if 
>>> you have to mess with the FI at all.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, 
 will deal with that soon.  Forgot to mention it has the original radio in 
 it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, 
 I will add to the folder later today along with some others.
 
 https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI
 
 Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and 
 found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be 
 something to go through.  Probably others too, I'll need to 

Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And since that line drawing probably didn’t post, here’s a link:

http://mb-teilekatalog.info/images/Imgs/BM_IMAGES_ARC/B14001000308.920604.png

-D


> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And just to clarify, the 50 degree one is #842, the 17 degree is #849:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off 
>> at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about 
>> $22-$25/each. 
>> 
>> 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees
>> 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the 
>>> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced 
>>> easily. In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t 
>>> identify, but it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional.
>>> 
>>> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system 
>>> gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything 
>>> and make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I 
>>> have found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace 
>>> everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t 
>>> get this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working 
>>> properly.
>>> 
>>> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the 
>>> stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most 
>>> people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types 
>>> along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections.
>>> 
>>> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably 
>>> makes it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has 
>>> the usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black 
>>> they’re not that noticeable, however. 
>>> 
>>> If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and 
>>> then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least 
>>> at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if 
>>> you have to mess with the FI at all.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, 
 will deal with that soon.  Forgot to mention it has the original radio in 
 it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, 
 I will add to the folder later today along with some others.
 
 https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI
 
 Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and 
 found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be 
 something to go through.  Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of 
 that stuff I guess.  Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has 
 nothing attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted 
 down, will need to figure out whussup wif dat.  Looks like I need to dig 
 into the 123 workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such.
 
 Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that 
 have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was 
 oozing from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there.
 
 Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it 
 looks like.  Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new 
 boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish.  Tires 
 pretty new.  I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the 
 gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac.
 
 For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft.  
 I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get 
 some plates and drive it a bit.
 
 Oh, and it has a solid roof!
 
 -- 
 --FT
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Wow, thanks. Those are the things on the block?  To what would they then 
attach?  Vacuum?  Or to some other part of the FI? And what is that threaded 
hole in the back for?  Looks like some other kind of sensor. 

I need to get line and fittings I guess, a lot of what’s there could stand to 
be replaced 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off 
> at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each. 
> 
> 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees
> 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the 
>> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. 
>> In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but 
>> it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional.
>> 
>> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system 
>> gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and 
>> make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have 
>> found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace 
>> everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get 
>> this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working 
>> properly.
>> 
>> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the 
>> stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most 
>> people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types 
>> along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections.
>> 
>> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes 
>> it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the 
>> usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black 
>> they’re not that noticeable, however. 
>> 
>> If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and 
>> then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least 
>> at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you 
>> have to mess with the FI at all.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, 
>>> will deal with that soon.  Forgot to mention it has the original radio in 
>>> it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I 
>>> will add to the folder later today along with some others.
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI
>>> 
>>> Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and 
>>> found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be 
>>> something to go through.  Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of 
>>> that stuff I guess.  Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has 
>>> nothing attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted 
>>> down, will need to figure out whussup wif dat.  Looks like I need to dig 
>>> into the 123 workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such.
>>> 
>>> Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that 
>>> have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing 
>>> from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there.
>>> 
>>> Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it 
>>> looks like.  Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new 
>>> boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish.  Tires 
>>> pretty new.  I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the 
>>> gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac.
>>> 
>>> For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft.  
>>> I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get 
>>> some plates and drive it a bit.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and it has a solid roof!
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --FT
>>> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And just to clarify, the 50 degree one is #842, the 17 degree is #849:





> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off 
> at the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each. 
> 
> 000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees
> 000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the 
>> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. 
>> In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but 
>> it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional.
>> 
>> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system 
>> gets boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and 
>> make it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have 
>> found is to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace 
>> everything in the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get 
>> this sorted out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working 
>> properly.
>> 
>> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the 
>> stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most 
>> people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types 
>> along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections.
>> 
>> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes 
>> it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the 
>> usual cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black 
>> they’re not that noticeable, however. 
>> 
>> If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and 
>> then get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least 
>> at that point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you 
>> have to mess with the FI at all.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, 
>>> will deal with that soon.  Forgot to mention it has the original radio in 
>>> it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I 
>>> will add to the folder later today along with some others.
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI
>>> 
>>> Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and 
>>> found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be 
>>> something to go through.  Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of 
>>> that stuff I guess.  Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has 
>>> nothing attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted 
>>> down, will need to figure out whussup wif dat.  Looks like I need to dig 
>>> into the 123 workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such.
>>> 
>>> Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that 
>>> have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing 
>>> from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there.
>>> 
>>> Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it 
>>> looks like.  Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new 
>>> boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish.  Tires 
>>> pretty new.  I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the 
>>> gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac.
>>> 
>>> For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft.  
>>> I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get 
>>> some plates and drive it a bit.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and it has a solid roof!
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --FT
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just checked and it appears that the two thermovalves that are broken off at 
the fittings are still available and relatively cheap, about $22-$25/each. 

000 140 71 60, Thermovalve, opening at 50 degrees
000 140 34 60, Thermovalve, opening at 17 degrees

-D


> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the 
> vacuum/temperature switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. 
> In #30 there’s some sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but 
> it’s clearly disconnected but may be functional.
> 
> What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system gets 
> boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and make 
> it work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have found is 
> to get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace everything in 
> the system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get this sorted 
> out of the gate you’ll never be able to get things working properly.
> 
> Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the 
> stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most 
> people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types 
> along with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections.
> 
> I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes 
> it a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the usual 
> cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black they’re not 
> that noticeable, however. 
> 
> If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and then 
> get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least at that 
> point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you have to 
> mess with the FI at all.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, 
>> will deal with that soon.  Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it 
>> and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I 
>> will add to the folder later today along with some others.
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI
>> 
>> Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and found 
>> a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be something 
>> to go through.  Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of that stuff 
>> I guess.  Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has nothing 
>> attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted down, will 
>> need to figure out whussup wif dat.  Looks like I need to dig into the 123 
>> workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and such.
>> 
>> Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that 
>> have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing 
>> from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there.
>> 
>> Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it 
>> looks like.  Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new 
>> boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish.  Tires 
>> pretty new.  I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the 
>> gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac.
>> 
>> For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft.  
>> I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get 
>> some plates and drive it a bit.
>> 
>> Oh, and it has a solid roof!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Floyd

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s up, I already saw it and responded.

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well I put them in a google folder and sent a link but it has not posted yet, 
> I wonder if the Okiemail engine trashed it because of the link
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 4/22/20 11:17 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:35:11 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't send pics to the list, they always bounce.  Glad you mentioned
>>> it, I should put them on a google drive folder or something
>> Send them to me.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like someone savaged the vacuum lines. A couple of the vacuum/temperature 
switches are obviously toast, but can be replaced easily. In #30 there’s some 
sort of a vacuum/electrical device I can’t identify, but it’s clearly 
disconnected but may be functional.

What I’ve found on a lot of cars like this one is that the vacuum system gets 
boogered up and some dim bulb decides they can just yank everything and make it 
work right. Which of course ends poorly. The best approach I have found is to 
get some bulk (hard) vacuum line and some hose and replace everything in the 
system. It’s cheap yet time consuming, but if you do’t get this sorted out of 
the gate you’ll never be able to get things working properly.

Hard vacuum line is cheap as wine on ILW, I think I bought 10 meters of the 
stuff a few years ago for $15, which is almost a lifetime supply for most 
people. I also have a box of the rubber vacuum fittings of various types along 
with a few meters of the bulk hose to make up connections.

I don’t recall seeing a lot of black cars in the day, so that probably makes it 
a bit rare. The interior looks pretty good, and the exterior has the usual 
cruft that all these cars suffer from, unfortunately. Being black they’re not 
that noticeable, however. 

If I was prioritizing things on this, I would get the belt installed and then 
get a vacuum diagram and get all of the vacuum stuff sorted. At least at that 
point you’ve got a foundation to work from, which you’ll need if you have to 
mess with the FI at all.

-D


> On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help with, 
> will deal with that soon.  Forgot to mention it has the original radio in it 
> and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a pic of that, I will 
> add to the folder later today along with some others.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI
> 
> Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and found 
> a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be something to 
> go through.  Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch of that stuff I 
> guess.  Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that has nothing attached 
> to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be bolted down, will need to 
> figure out whussup wif dat.  Looks like I need to dig into the 123 workshop 
> manual and get all the engine diagrams and such.
> 
> Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block that 
> have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff was oozing 
> from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there.
> 
> Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump it 
> looks like.  Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like new boots 
> on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish.  Tires pretty 
> new.  I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put the gauges on it 
> and see if has pressure or will hold a vac.
> 
> For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft.  I'll 
> sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, get some 
> plates and drive it a bit.
> 
> Oh, and it has a solid roof!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Floyd

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Well I put them in a google folder and sent a link but it has not posted 
yet, I wonder if the Okiemail engine trashed it because of the link


--FT

On 4/22/20 11:17 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:35:11 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


I can't send pics to the list, they always bounce.  Glad you mentioned
it, I should put them on a google drive folder or something

Send them to me.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hey Floyd

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:35:11 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I can't send pics to the list, they always bounce.  Glad you mentioned 
> it, I should put them on a google drive folder or something

Send them to me.


Craig

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[MBZ] Pics of the 280E and issues

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

There are some things you can see in the pics I will need some help 
with, will deal with that soon.  Forgot to mention it has the original 
radio in it and I think it works, I forgot to check it. Did not get a 
pic of that, I will add to the folder later today along with some others.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TPKngNrteqcuIk2snudTBdGGtzQW_TmI

Per Jaime's comment yesterday, I checked under the intake manifold and 
found a vac line falling off, the connector is rotted, so that will be 
something to go through.  Probably others too, I'll need to buy a bunch 
of that stuff I guess.  Also you can see in pic 30 this vac thing that 
has nothing attached to it and I can't tell where it is supposed to be 
bolted down, will need to figure out whussup wif dat.  Looks like I need 
to dig into the 123 workshop manual and get all the engine diagrams and 
such.


Also in pic26 there are those fittings on the pass side of the block 
that have nothing attached to them, and you can sorta see where stuff 
was oozing from what I guess is the head gasket leaking in there.


Newish AC compressor, alternator (with munched belt in there), PS pump 
it looks like.  Exhaust muffler, pipes, resonator all new, looked like 
new boots on the rear axles outboard but the axles did not look newish.  
Tires pretty new.  I don't know if the AC works or not, will have to put 
the gauges on it and see if has pressure or will hold a vac.


For $1300 I guess I can't complain, it runs and looks decent from 20ft.  
I'll sort out a few issues and see what the DMV are up to these days, 
get some plates and drive it a bit.


Oh, and it has a solid roof!

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Re: [MBZ] CL Search Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Rick! I hadn’t dug down that deeply into the search arguments yet, but 
this is definitely the direction I was going.

For what it’s worth, while I was searching for ways to configure search 
parameters on CL I came across a BuzzFeed article about searching CL with a 
bunch of fun phrases that bring up some interesting stuff:

"My wife/husband is making me"
"My wife/husband doesn't like"
"My wife/husband won't let me"
"But now we have kids"
are a great way to find fun and/or luxury items that people are getting rid of.
Phrases and words like:
"Leaving country"
"Liquidation"
"End of lease"
"Must go"
"No reasonable offer refused"
"Everything must go"
“ASAP"

Again, thanks!

-D

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=Porche%7CPorsche%7Cporsh%7Cporshe+944=rel=T
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] CL Search Question

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://tampa.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=Porche%7CPorsche%7Cporsh%7Cporshe+944=rel=T

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] CL Search Question

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes when I used to search Mercedes without doing that search titles only it 
brings up every make under the sun. I don’t think somebody searching Mercedes 
is interested in a F350.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve got a buddy who is looking for a Porsche 944. Trying to search on 
> “Porsche” brings up so many flipping non-Porsche ads it’s frightening, as it 
> seems like everyone and their brother in the used car business thinks that 
> putting “Porsche” as a tag on their ad will get it in front of buyers with 
> money, I’m guessing.
> 
> It makes searching a real PITA, as we all know that a lot of ads are poorly 
> written or titled, meaning that being able to search on a single term brings 
> up stuff you might otherwise not see.
> 
> Grr.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. I have somewhat of an answer, but probably not. For one, you can do 
>> title only search's. For two, you can use a vertical line | pipe, whatever 
>> it's called, as an "or" operand. For example, title only, 
>> 
>> Mercedes|Benz 300|300d|300td|300dt|diesel
>> 
>> I *really* dislike that dealers do that.  
>> 
>> Oh and obviously the space indicates "and". 
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Floyd

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I can't send pics to the list, they always bounce.  Glad you mentioned 
it, I should put them on a google drive folder or something


--FT

On 4/22/20 10:28 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

You can post pics of the new ride to 123 FB, but we're not good enough

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] CL Search Question

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Try the autotempest site, it seems to filter things pretty well and does 
nationwide CL searches you can narrow down well


-_FT

On 4/22/20 9:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’m wondering if there is a way to search Craigslist for a particular car, 
let’s say a Mercedes 300D for example, and be able to filter out all the 
non-pertinent ads that people have put up using tags like “Mercedes”.

It appears that CL will put the listings with tags under the listings that have 
the actual search term in the title. That is, ads with “Mercedes” and “300D” 
will show up first, then any listings with the “Mercedes” or “300D” tags 
afterwards.

This is a pain, as there are some idiot car dealers around here who throw a 
list of tags in their ads for darned near every marque there is, so their ads 
for totally unrelated vehicles will show up in the search. This is a bit of a 
d*ck move on their part, but I understand why they do it to get more eyeballs 
on ads.

-D
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