Re: [MBZ] Hey... We’re all upside down!

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> G wrote:

> ...fill me in, what are you driving and fixing.

Oh Grant,  you should look back a couple messages and read his sig. :)

> > Euan

> > 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual
> > 223K miles

> > Christchurch, NZ

I betting that '85 is just fine - I'm sure not fond of the MBUSA 1985 models!

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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> OK wrote:

> ah, grasshopper. Did no one teach you to drive a manual without
> a clutch??

> You have to "match shift" going up and down the gears - match
> the engine speed as closely as you can to the next gear - 

With the synchromesh it's easy.  The shifter won't move into the
next gate until the speeds match.  Just apply a bit of pressure
until it moves, then snap it into gear.

> I learned this way back when - the clutch cable in my 1951 VW
> broke while I was on the other side of town - figured it out and
> drove home without incident. It helped that this tranny had NO
> synchromesh -

Without synchromesh, the shifts can be faster because the matching
speed can be anticipated just a bit.  But it's also a lot easier
to miss and make a lot of noise.  "Just lightening the truck a bit
by taking some metal off the gears."

With 7 (rare) 9, 10, 13, 15, or 18 speed transmissions there is
lots of opportunity to practice.

Truck driver call this clutch-less shifting "floating" and many,
many of them do it. Most truck still use manual transmissions
without synchromsh - but that is changing...


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Re: [MBZ] Hey... We’re all upside down!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

U... actually, more likely it is British Standard, or Whitworth.

In any case, Euan, good to hear from you. We Yanks are an odd lot when it
comes to politics, so thanks for your patience. Since we have no King, we
have to make our own way and that always leads to discussion and of course,
who ever is talking is always right.. haha..

Don't give up on us, drop in and visit more often. I'm something of a new
guy compared to some here, having only joined in about 4 years ago, fill me
in, what are you driving and fixing.
I'm well on my way to collecting a matched set of 123 Diesel Mercedes, one
of each model.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 8:39 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's metric spelling, Andrew.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > If you want to play in our sandbox again you'll have to learn how to
> spell
> > "tires".
> >
> > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 4:55 PM Euan Kennedy via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> LOL, no, our tyres are just as good as yours.
> >>
> >> This north is up and south is down thing is just a mental construct.
> It’s
> >> kinda handy to get our puny human brains organised around viewing the
> >> planet that way. Otherwise we’re all clinging to a round rock floating
> in a
> >> universe which doesn’t have ups and downs, Norths or Souths.
> >>
> >> Scary, eh. Let’s just be grateful that the slingshot effects of rotation
> >> are still out-muscled by the sucking effects of gravity. For the moment.
> >>
> >> And anyway, who said north was up?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On 16/05/2020, at 4:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail <
> buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I’ve always wondered how cars can hang on upside down on the bottom
> of
> >> the planet. Like do you have really good tires there. I know you drive
> on
> >> the wrong side of the road maybe that has something to do with it, you
> can
> >> hang on better.
> >> >
> >> > --FlaT Earther
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey... We’re all upside down!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

That's metric spelling, Andrew.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> If you want to play in our sandbox again you'll have to learn how to spell
> "tires".
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 4:55 PM Euan Kennedy via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> LOL, no, our tyres are just as good as yours.
>>
>> This north is up and south is down thing is just a mental construct. It’s
>> kinda handy to get our puny human brains organised around viewing the
>> planet that way. Otherwise we’re all clinging to a round rock floating in a
>> universe which doesn’t have ups and downs, Norths or Souths.
>>
>> Scary, eh. Let’s just be grateful that the slingshot effects of rotation
>> are still out-muscled by the sucking effects of gravity. For the moment.
>>
>> And anyway, who said north was up?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 16/05/2020, at 4:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I’ve always wondered how cars can hang on upside down on the bottom of
>> the planet. Like do you have really good tires there. I know you drive on
>> the wrong side of the road maybe that has something to do with it, you can
>> hang on better.
>> >
>> > --FlaT Earther
>>

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[MBZ] Forget About an AMG E60 or the Like, Kaleb

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Do this to your E320 CDI:

https://youtu.be/cjIYsfKEYKM

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

2 weeks although that may also be a premature conculsion

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 10:45 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is a very good writeup IMO.
>
> Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that
> patients are no longer infectious?
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> 
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread.  This is an
> unusual virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty
> is that it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on
> for some days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing.
> >
> > This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses,
> just much less transmissible.  Another long forgotten incident involved fur
> animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was
> possible.  That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for
> fur, and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing.
> >
> > The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if
> people can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of
> transmission, and when no more people are getting infected, eventually the
> virus will no long reproduce.
> >
> > My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department,
> and has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we
> are more or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were
> in place before the first cases showed up.  The result is that we have just
> over 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths.  Case number per day is
> down to five or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in
> observation for exposure.
> >
> > Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay
> at home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the
> books from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses
> like scarlet fever a measles.
> >
> > while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China
> worked.  You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect
> the reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too
> much, they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China.  South Korea
> and Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very
> low cases as well.
> >
> > One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have
> come from a single club over a couple nights.  This is what I'm worried
> about with the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being
> infringed by public health measures.  Only takes one jerk ignoring the
> health rules to infect hundreds of people in close quarters.  Ditto for the
> boob that insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's
> now positive and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result.
> >
> > I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz
> for decades.  Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting
> really, really sick or killing my elderly mother.  We are not all isolated
> sovereign states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to
> remember everyone is entitled to what we are.  Or as my Grandmother used to
> say "You have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are
> standing on my toes"
> >
> > Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they
> want are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the
> results of their actions.
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Re: [MBZ] Hey... We’re all upside down!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If you want to play in our sandbox again you'll have to learn how to spell
"tires".

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 4:55 PM Euan Kennedy via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> LOL, no, our tyres are just as good as yours.
>
> This north is up and south is down thing is just a mental construct. It’s
> kinda handy to get our puny human brains organised around viewing the
> planet that way. Otherwise we’re all clinging to a round rock floating in a
> universe which doesn’t have ups and downs, Norths or Souths.
>
> Scary, eh. Let’s just be grateful that the slingshot effects of rotation
> are still out-muscled by the sucking effects of gravity. For the moment.
>
> And anyway, who said north was up?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 16/05/2020, at 4:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail 
> wrote:
> >
> > I’ve always wondered how cars can hang on upside down on the bottom of
> the planet. Like do you have really good tires there. I know you drive on
> the wrong side of the road maybe that has something to do with it, you can
> hang on better.
> >
> > --FlaT Earther
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I like that

Bob R

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> On May 16, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz/180d/2401588.html?refer=alert&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-05-15
> 
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
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[MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

This is a very good writeup IMO.

Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that 
patients are no longer infectious?
Thanks,
Gerry

Peter Frederick via Mercedes  wrote:

> Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread.  This is an unusual 
> virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty is that 
> it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on for some 
> days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing.
> 
> This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses, just 
> much less transmissible.  Another long forgotten incident involved fur 
> animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was 
> possible.  That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for fur, 
> and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing.
> 
> The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if people 
> can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of transmission, and 
> when no more people are getting infected, eventually the virus will no long 
> reproduce.
> 
> My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department, and 
> has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we are 
> more or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were in 
> place before the first cases showed up.  The result is that we have just over 
> 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths.  Case number per day is down to 
> five or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in observation for 
> exposure.
> 
> Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay at 
> home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the books 
> from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses like 
> scarlet fever a measles.
> 
> while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China worked.  
> You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect the 
> reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too much, 
> they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China.  South Korea and 
> Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very low 
> cases as well.
> 
> One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have come 
> from a single club over a couple nights.  This is what I'm worried about with 
> the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being infringed by 
> public health measures.  Only takes one jerk ignoring the health rules to 
> infect hundreds of people in close quarters.  Ditto for the boob that 
> insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's now positive 
> and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result.
> 
> I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz for 
> decades.  Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting really, 
> really sick or killing my elderly mother.  We are not all isolated sovereign 
> states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to remember 
> everyone is entitled to what we are.  Or as my Grandmother used to say "You 
> have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are standing on 
> my toes"
> 
> Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they want 
> are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the results of 
> their actions.
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[MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz/180d/2401588.html?refer=alert&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-05-15


Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> learned to drive without a clutch - just in case.

I've done it, in the Falcon.  Also learned to drive without brakes!
(That one, 'live'.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[OK Don via Mercedes]

PS - all my kids who learned to drive a manual tranny (3 of the 4) learned
to drive without a clutch - just in case. No sense being stranded somewhere
because you don't know how to drive it ...

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 6:51 PM OK Don  wrote:

> ah, grasshopper. Did no one teach you to drive a manual without a clutch???
> It can be done, but requires a good battery and starter.
> You basically start the car in gear - 1st of reverse as desired.
> You can pop it out of gear with little throttle applied, and stop with the
> brakes as usual.
> You have to "match shift" going up and down the gears - match the engine
> speed as closely as you can to the next gear - either up or down.
>
> I learned this way back when - the clutch cable in my 1951 VW broke while
> I was on the other side of town - figured it out and drove home without
> incident. It helped that this tranny had NO synchromesh - VW hadn;t figured
> that out yet, so I used to matching the RPM's/gears anyway.
>
> The technique works even better with an MB tranny - so smooth either with
> or without the clutch.
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like
>> > nothing is connected.  If the pedal comes back up when you push it down,
>> > that’s a really good sign.
>> >
>> > Jaime
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the
>> >> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front
>> end
>> >> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for
>> sure.
>> >> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably
>> need to
>> >> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk
>> and
>> >> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder
>> up to
>> >> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and
>> got a
>> >> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while.
>> Does
>> >> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch
>> it
>> >> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is
>> actually
>> >> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is
>> >> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual
>> issue is
>> >> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something
>> else?
>> >>
>> >> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car
>> >> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going
>> because
>> >> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying
>> on my
>> >> back under the car. Screw that.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
Von Braun
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Last time a 240D didn’t switch into gear for me it was a slave cylinder. Cheap 
and easy repair.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like
>> nothing is connected.  If the pedal comes back up when you push it down,
>> that’s a really good sign.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the
>>> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end
>>> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure.
>>> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to
>>> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and
>>> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to
>>> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a
>>> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does
>>> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it
>>> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually
>>> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is
>>> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is
>>> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else?
>>> 
>>> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car
>>> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because
>>> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my
>>> back under the car. Screw that.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[OK Don via Mercedes]

ah, grasshopper. Did no one teach you to drive a manual without a clutch???
It can be done, but requires a good battery and starter.
You basically start the car in gear - 1st of reverse as desired.
You can pop it out of gear with little throttle applied, and stop with the
brakes as usual.
You have to "match shift" going up and down the gears - match the engine
speed as closely as you can to the next gear - either up or down.

I learned this way back when - the clutch cable in my 1951 VW broke while I
was on the other side of town - figured it out and drove home without
incident. It helped that this tranny had NO synchromesh - VW hadn;t figured
that out yet, so I used to matching the RPM's/gears anyway.

The technique works even better with an MB tranny - so smooth either with
or without the clutch.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like
> > nothing is connected.  If the pedal comes back up when you push it down,
> > that’s a really good sign.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the
> >> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front
> end
> >> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for
> sure.
> >> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably
> need to
> >> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk
> and
> >> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up
> to
> >> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and
> got a
> >> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while.
> Does
> >> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it
> >> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is
> actually
> >> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is
> >> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual
> issue is
> >> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something
> else?
> >>
> >> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car
> >> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going
> because
> >> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on
> my
> >> back under the car. Screw that.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So basically I need to get under the car and open the bleed screw while having 
somebody push the pedal to see if I get pressure? I assume it I do then they 
points to dead slave cylinder. If not then dead master cylinder? 

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> On May 16, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd guess the slave cylinder is dead.  When you press the pedal in, do you 
> get pressure (fluid output) at the slave bleeder?  If yes, the slave cylinder 
> is probably dead.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> May 16, 2020 5:07:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>>  Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the 
>> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end 
>> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. 
>> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to 
>> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and 
>> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to 
>> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a 
>> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does 
>> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it 
>> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually 
>> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is 
>> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is 
>> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? 
>> 
>> 
>> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car 
>> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because 
>> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my 
>> back under the car. Screw that. 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear. 

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> On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like
> nothing is connected.  If the pedal comes back up when you push it down,
> that’s a really good sign.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the
>> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end
>> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure.
>> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to
>> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and
>> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to
>> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a
>> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does
>> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it
>> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually
>> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is
>> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is
>> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else?
>> 
>> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car
>> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because
>> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my
>> back under the car. Screw that.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like
nothing is connected.  If the pedal comes back up when you push it down,
that’s a really good sign.

Jaime


On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the
> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end
> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure.
> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to
> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and
> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to
> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a
> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does
> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it
> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually
> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is
> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is
> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else?
>
> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car
> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because
> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my
> back under the car. Screw that.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'd guess the slave cylinder is dead.  When you press the pedal in, do you get 
pressure (fluid output) at the slave bleeder?  If yes, the slave cylinder is 
probably dead.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 16, 2020 5:07:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

>   Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the 
> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end 
> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. 
> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to 
> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and 
> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to 
> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a 
> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does 
> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it 
> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually 
> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is 
> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is 
> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? 
>  
>  
>  I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car 
> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because I 
> do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my back 
> under the car. Screw that. 
>  
>  
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t have much experience with Mercedes clutches, but if the pedal moves up 
and down without resistance I would assume the clutch cylinder is toast.

-D

> On May 16, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Btw I saw no evidence of any leaks either. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the 
>> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end 
>> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. 
>> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to 
>> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and 
>> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to 
>> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a 
>> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does 
>> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it 
>> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually 
>> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is 
>> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is 
>> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else?
>> 
>> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car around. 
>> After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because I do not 
>> want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my back under 
>> the car. Screw that. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Btw I saw no evidence of any leaks either. 

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> On May 16, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the underside 
> and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end work. Will 
> need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. Have not 
> looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to just redo 
> the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and center 
> support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to the brake 
> reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a good steady 
> stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does this mean my 
> issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it pushed down and 
> comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually doing doing 
> anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is disconnected there. 
> How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is as far as if it’s a 
> master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else?
> 
> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car around. 
> After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because I do not 
> want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my back under 
> the car. Screw that. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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[MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the underside 
and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end work. Will need 
ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. Have not looked at 
the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to just redo the entire 
front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and center support. Moved on 
to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to the brake reservoir then 
opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a good steady stream of fluid 
out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does this mean my issue is not air on 
the system? When pressing the clutch it pushed down and comes right back up but 
does not feel like it is actually doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash 
cover and nothing is disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what 
the actual issue is as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder 
or something else?

I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car around. 
After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because I do not 
want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my back under 
the car. Screw that. 

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[MBZ] Hey... We’re all upside down!

[Euan Kennedy via Mercedes]

LOL, no, our tyres are just as good as yours. 

This north is up and south is down thing is just a mental construct. It’s kinda 
handy to get our puny human brains organised around viewing the planet that 
way. Otherwise we’re all clinging to a round rock floating in a universe which 
doesn’t have ups and downs, Norths or Souths. 

Scary, eh. Let’s just be grateful that the slingshot effects of rotation are 
still out-muscled by the sucking effects of gravity. For the moment. 

And anyway, who said north was up?

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> On 16/05/2020, at 4:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve always wondered how cars can hang on upside down on the bottom of the 
> planet. Like do you have really good tires there. I know you drive on the 
> wrong side of the road maybe that has something to do with it, you can hang 
> on better. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 210 E320 rear end howl

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:

> Never had a wheel bearing fail on a MBZ but did on my 2008 Outback.
> It sounded like gear noise that got worse over time.  The temperature
> method was not conclusive for identifying which rear bearing was bad.
> So I got someone else to drive as I crawled around to isolate the bad
> side by sound.  I don't know about MBZ (especially anything after
> 126s) but turns out Subaru used different bearing designs for
> different years.  Fortunately I had the one-piece version that bolts
> on and was easy to replace (with help from several YouTube vids).  The
> speed sensor (if any) can be tricky.  Some are easy to screw up.

I had to replace rear bearing on my Volvo. In theory it was simply
unbolt and replace, but actually getting the old hub assembly out was a
nightmare. Of course on the YouTube video it popped out with a couple of
hammer taps. For me, it was hours of hammering, cursing, and many cans
of beer before it came loose. The replacement got a liberal coating of
anti-seize but hopefully will last the remaining life of the car.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ah memories of childhood.  I remember as a kid always getting carsick in my
friends' cars.  The sweet smell of upch*ck never goes away...

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 1:05 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > My parents, for reasons unclear, bought this little travel trailer
> > that was parked at a campground at the lake, and never used it except
> > to go there and sit and watch TV occasionally. It had a little
> > dorm-sized fridge in it and the whole trailer stunk of ammonia, I
> > guess it had a slow leak or something. I went there with them once and
> > it gagged me after about 15sec but they seemed oblivious to it.
>
> Some people lose their sense of smell as they age.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] this could be a H of a deal

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Floyd could trade his SL for the 600 coupe.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 12:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Or you could buy this:
>
>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-mercedes-benz-cl600-cl-amg/7125123830.html
>
> Something’s up with this car, I think. Note the panel match between the
> hood and the right front fender and headlights. Looks like maybe the front
> got pranged and poorly fixed.
>
> They’ve had it listed off and on for the last couple of months. I don’t
> recall wha their last ask was, but I recall it was more than $5k.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 16, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > or not, not that I have the dineros... but oh my would I love to drive
> this car
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1904960082969622
> >
> > 2005 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class CL 600 Coupe 2D
> > $8,750
> > Vehicles  >
> > Listed 20 hours ago in Myrtle Beach, SC <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/myrtle-beach-sc/>
> >
> >
> > About This Vehicle…
> >
> > Driven 118,000 miles
> > Automatic transmission
> > Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Black
> > Good condition 
> >
> >
> > Typical Features…
> >
> > *
> >   Leather
> > *
> >   Moon Roof
> > *
> >   Navigation System
> > *
> >   Alloy Wheels
> > *
> >
> >
> > Seller's description…
> >
> > This is your opportunity to own a legendary V12 Twin Turbo Mercedes CL
> 600. This 2005 Mercedes-Benz CL600 is powered by a 493 hp twin-turbocharged
> 5.5-liter V12 plus is equipped with the Renntech performance upgrades,
> Eisenmann Performance exhaust and is backed by a 5-speed automatic
> transmission. Custom 19" HRE wheels and the tires are in good condition
> This is very fast car and is in very good condition. Unfortunately, I don't
> know all of the car's history, the car is part of a family member's estate
> and we are helping to liquidate the estate. The car has 118K Miles. The
> body is in very good condition as well as the interior. Several items will
> need attention such as the trunk lift assist mechanism, the rear screen
> motor is not working, and the radio will not stay on for more the several
> seconds. The car is nice but not perfect. Body condition: the lower air dam
> has several scratches and is missing the left lower screen. A protective
> film was added to the front of the car and needs to be removed, small crack
> in passenger side windshield, see pics. Ask as many questions as you would
> like. Local pick up only.
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Re: [MBZ] swuade Interior E55

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What's the catch?

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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/272395353901628
>
> 2004 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 55 AMG Sedan 4D
> $5,600
> Vehicles 
> Listed a day ago in Charleston, SC
> 
>
>
>   About This Vehicle…
>
> Driven 200,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
> Fuel type: Gasoline
> 13.0 MPG city · 19.0 MPG highway · 15.0 MPG combined
> Excellent condition <
> https://www.facebook.com/business/help/979881538883930>
>
>
>   Typical Features…
>
>   *
> Leather
>   *
> Moon Roof
>   *
> Navigation System
>   *
> ABS (4-Wheel)
>   *
>
>
>   Seller's description…
>
> 5800 obo . This is a beautiful e55 amg with many many upgrades. 77mm
> supercharger pulley.. race iq tune Also has tcu tune. . Upgraded
> pulley tensioner green belt . Upgraded intercooler as shown in the pics.
> (Heat exchanger) bigger throttle body. All the serpintine Belt pulleys
> have been upgraded. New fuel pumps new starter .. new alternator.. car
> has heated and cooled seats .. 600 plus hp over 700lbs of torque. Great
> on gas with the tune . No check engine lights . New tires all the way
> around. Paddle shifters and comes fully loaded with double moon roof and
> swuade Interior. Air bags have been replaced but I kept going with the
> air . Lifts up and down perfect. This is a great car cause so much has
> been done to it so much has been replaced. You can hop in and go
> anywhere . Ac and heat works .. Theres a return line for the power
> steering it leaks out after a while but will work when fluid is there .
> This was a 113k car in it's year. It's bulletproof and a hand built car.
>
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Re: [MBZ] This will definitely buff out

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The front half was sacrificed in an action movie.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:42 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/237479007348466
>
> W220 MERCEDES S430
> $1
> Listed 2 weeks ago in Savannah, GA
> 
>
>
>   Details
>   …
>
>   *
> Condition
> Used - Good
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Jeopardy:  "We've had one of these scoops that has some sort of mystery
juice inside of it for years."
Answer:  What is Prestone antifreeze

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 8:31 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Also, propane-powered refrigerators (RV's, etc.) use an
> ammonia/water/hydrogen mix
> as the refrigerant.  The one in my parents' camper failed.  An overstuffed
> freezer
> was thought to be the cause.  Apparently pounding on the coils with 1#
> hammers
> while running down bumpy roads is not good for them...
>
> Supposedly it was quite smelly!
>
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> My parents, for reasons unclear, bought this little travel trailer
> that was parked at a campground at the lake, and never used it except
> to go there and sit and watch TV occasionally. It had a little
> dorm-sized fridge in it and the whole trailer stunk of ammonia, I
> guess it had a slow leak or something. I went there with them once and
> it gagged me after about 15sec but they seemed oblivious to it.

Some people lose their sense of smell as they age.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What is "fake news"?

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 12:25 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Nope - fake news.
>
> https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/hiv-prevention/potential-future-options/hiv-vaccines
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:56 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yet it's called the AIDS vaccine.  Why?
> >
> > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This brings up a good point that a lot of people aren’t considering -
> > what
> > > if we can’t make a vaccine? Look at a disease like AIDS/HIV. 40 years
> now
> > > and we really have no absolute cure. Fortunately we have ways of
> treating
> > > it, but there’s no vaccine.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > > On May 15, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There's a company in CA that claims it has a 100% effective antibody,
> > > and is ramping up a culture production. The procedure for culturing has
> > > been around for nearly 20 years. They make GMO yeast to produce human
> > > antibodies. So it is a preventive and a cure, but not a vaccine. I'm
> > hoping
> > > for effective treatment, a vaccine may never come.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] this could be a H of a deal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Or you could buy this:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-mercedes-benz-cl600-cl-amg/7125123830.html

Something’s up with this car, I think. Note the panel match between the hood 
and the right front fender and headlights. Looks like maybe the front got 
pranged and poorly fixed.

They’ve had it listed off and on for the last couple of months. I don’t recall 
wha their last ask was, but I recall it was more than $5k.

-D

> On May 16, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> or not, not that I have the dineros... but oh my would I love to drive this 
> car
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1904960082969622
> 
> 2005 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class CL 600 Coupe 2D
> $8,750
> Vehicles 
> Listed 20 hours ago in Myrtle Beach, SC 
> 
> 
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 118,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Black
> Good condition 
> 
> 
> Typical Features…
> 
> *
>   Leather
> *
>   Moon Roof
> *
>   Navigation System
> *
>   Alloy Wheels
> *
> 
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> This is your opportunity to own a legendary V12 Twin Turbo Mercedes CL 600. 
> This 2005 Mercedes-Benz CL600 is powered by a 493 hp twin-turbocharged 
> 5.5-liter V12 plus is equipped with the Renntech performance upgrades, 
> Eisenmann Performance exhaust and is backed by a 5-speed automatic 
> transmission. Custom 19" HRE wheels and the tires are in good condition This 
> is very fast car and is in very good condition. Unfortunately, I don't know 
> all of the car's history, the car is part of a family member's estate and we 
> are helping to liquidate the estate. The car has 118K Miles. The body is in 
> very good condition as well as the interior. Several items will need 
> attention such as the trunk lift assist mechanism, the rear screen motor is 
> not working, and the radio will not stay on for more the several seconds. The 
> car is nice but not perfect. Body condition: the lower air dam has several 
> scratches and is missing the left lower screen. A protective film was added 
> to the front of the car and needs to be removed, small crack in passenger 
> side windshield, see pics. Ask as many questions as you would like. Local 
> pick up only.
> 
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[MBZ] swuade Interior E55

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

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2004 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 55 AMG Sedan 4D
$5,600
Vehicles 
Listed a day ago in Charleston, SC 




 About This Vehicle…

Driven 200,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
Fuel type: Gasoline
13.0 MPG city · 19.0 MPG highway · 15.0 MPG combined
Excellent condition 


 Typical Features…

 *
   Leather
 *
   Moon Roof
 *
   Navigation System
 *
   ABS (4-Wheel)
 *


 Seller's description…

5800 obo . This is a beautiful e55 amg with many many upgrades. 77mm 
supercharger pulley.. race iq tune Also has tcu tune. . Upgraded 
pulley tensioner green belt . Upgraded intercooler as shown in the pics. 
(Heat exchanger) bigger throttle body. All the serpintine Belt pulleys 
have been upgraded. New fuel pumps new starter .. new alternator.. car 
has heated and cooled seats .. 600 plus hp over 700lbs of torque. Great 
on gas with the tune . No check engine lights . New tires all the way 
around. Paddle shifters and comes fully loaded with double moon roof and 
swuade Interior. Air bags have been replaced but I kept going with the 
air . Lifts up and down perfect. This is a great car cause so much has 
been done to it so much has been replaced. You can hop in and go 
anywhere . Ac and heat works .. Theres a return line for the power 
steering it leaks out after a while but will work when fluid is there . 
This was a 113k car in it's year. It's bulletproof and a hand built car.


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[MBZ] This will definitely buff out

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/237479007348466

W220 MERCEDES S430
$1
Listed 2 weeks ago in Savannah, GA 




 Details
 …

 *
   Condition
   Used - Good

W220 MERCEDES S430

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My parents, for reasons unclear, bought this little travel trailer that 
was parked at a campground at the lake, and never used it except to go 
there and sit and watch TV occasionally.  It had a little dorm-sized 
fridge in it and the whole trailer stunk of ammonia, I guess it had a 
slow leak or something.  I  went there with them once and it gagged me 
after about 15sec but they seemed oblivious to it.


--FT

On 5/16/20 10:37 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

My grandpa had one with the coils on top when I was a kid. I recall it failed 
and there was a smell of ammonia.

Greg

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Marmel via Mercedes
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT hard ice cream vs soft

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:29 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


When I worked at a food factory we had refrigeration that utilized
ammonia as the refrigerant. I believe they were at -20 f.  It is
quite effective as a refrigerant, but for obvious reasons cannot be
used in a residential or automotive setting.

But since they are used where people do work, one wonders what would
need to be done to use them in a residential setting ...


Just go back in time to 1930.

[image: image.png]
-MMM-


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread.  This is an unusual 
virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty is that it 
can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on for some days 
before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing.

This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses, just 
much less transmissible.  Another long forgotten incident involved fur animals 
in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was possible.  
That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for fur, and was 
stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing.

The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if people can 
be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of transmission, and when no 
more people are getting infected, eventually the virus will no long reproduce.

My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department, and 
has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we are more 
or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were in place 
before the first cases showed up.  The result is that we have just over 200 
cases for 200,000 people and two deaths.  Case number per day is down to five 
or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in observation for 
exposure.

Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay at 
home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the books from 
when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses like scarlet 
fever a measles.

while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China worked.  You 
have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect the reported case 
numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too much, they will be 
overthrown, it's how things work in China.  South Korea and Tiawan, both of 
whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very low cases as well.

One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have come 
from a single club over a couple nights.  This is what I'm worried about with 
the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being infringed by public 
health measures.  Only takes one jerk ignoring the health rules to infect 
hundreds of people in close quarters.  Ditto for the boob that insisted he run 
his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's now positive and who knows how 
many of his clients are too as a result.

I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz for 
decades.  Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting really, 
really sick or killing my elderly mother.  We are not all isolated sovereign 
states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to remember 
everyone is entitled to what we are.  Or as my Grandmother used to say "You 
have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are standing on my 
toes"

Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they want 
are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the results of 
their actions.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Have they ever come out with a vaccine for the cold? Nope. Guess what causes 
the cold? 

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> On May 15, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> No news on the AIDS vaccine yet.  I do recall all the misinformation coming 
> from the “Authorities” and very expensive but non-functional treatments being 
> promulgated by the learned agency puppets.  For a vivid example just watch 
> “Dallas Buyer’s Club” movie.  This “new” situation is the same shuffling 
> dance to the same off key tune.
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 15, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Karl,
>> Does anybody honestly believe the numbers coming out of China? I find them 
>> so low as to be a joke...
>> I'm with Rick, we're all going to get this eventually, it's essentially a 
>> new, much worse, flu. Get used to the idea now. This who are waiting for a 
>> vaccine ignore the fact that the record for a vaccine release is 4 years.
> 
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

My grandpa had one with the coils on top when I was a kid. I recall it failed 
and there was a smell of ammonia.

Greg

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Marmel via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 8:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT hard ice cream vs soft

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:29 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > When I worked at a food factory we had refrigeration that utilized 
> > ammonia as the refrigerant. I believe they were at -20 f.  It is 
> > quite effective as a refrigerant, but for obvious reasons cannot be 
> > used in a residential or automotive setting.
>
> But since they are used where people do work, one wonders what would 
> need to be done to use them in a residential setting ...
>

Just go back in time to 1930.

[image: image.png]
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I'm with Floyd on the 12, but am a Remy kinda guy.

Greg

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

Mr. Mossberg would have something to say about that, in a size 12

On 5/16/20 8:39 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> ...I'm coming to you this fall, and I'm going to punch you in the head... I 
>> would begin training...
> I would also consult Mr. Colt and his friends on this matter.  A defense in 
> depth is
> more reliable, hence that thing about eggs and baskets.  I'm sure the same 
> applies here.
>
>> It's about minimizing the risks.
> Exactly.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Mr. Mossberg would have something to say about that, in a size 12

On 5/16/20 8:39 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

...I'm coming to you this fall, and I'm going to punch you in the head... I 
would begin training...

I would also consult Mr. Colt and his friends on this matter.  A defense in 
depth is
more reliable, hence that thing about eggs and baskets.  I'm sure the same 
applies here.


It's about minimizing the risks.

Exactly.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] this could be a H of a deal

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

or not, not that I have the dineros... but oh my would I love to drive 
this car


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1904960082969622

2005 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class CL 600 Coupe 2D
$8,750
Vehicles 
Listed 20 hours ago in Myrtle Beach, SC 




 About This Vehicle…

Driven 118,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Black
Good condition 


 Typical Features…

 *
   Leather
 *
   Moon Roof
 *
   Navigation System
 *
   Alloy Wheels
 *


 Seller's description…

This is your opportunity to own a legendary V12 Twin Turbo Mercedes CL 
600. This 2005 Mercedes-Benz CL600 is powered by a 493 hp 
twin-turbocharged 5.5-liter V12 plus is equipped with the Renntech 
performance upgrades, Eisenmann Performance exhaust and is backed by a 
5-speed automatic transmission. Custom 19" HRE wheels and the tires are 
in good condition This is very fast car and is in very good condition. 
Unfortunately, I don't know all of the car's history, the car is part of 
a family member's estate and we are helping to liquidate the estate. The 
car has 118K Miles. The body is in very good condition as well as the 
interior. Several items will need attention such as the trunk lift 
assist mechanism, the rear screen motor is not working, and the radio 
will not stay on for more the several seconds. The car is nice but not 
perfect. Body condition: the lower air dam has several scratches and is 
missing the left lower screen. A protective film was added to the front 
of the car and needs to be removed, small crack in passenger side 
windshield, see pics. Ask as many questions as you would like. Local 
pick up only.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The problem with isolation is the 2 week waiting period, it's very hard to know 
who to isolate until it's too late 
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM, OK Don wrote:   From what 
I understand (which isn't much), Covid-19 is in the same virus family as the 
common cold, while the flu is an influenza virus - a totally different family. 
No one has been able to develop a vaccine for the cold, but we do have 
marginally effective vaccines for the flu.If my assumptions are correct, 
expecting a vaccine for Covid-19 to be effective is an exercise in wishful 
thinking that will lead no where.
I think that Karl is correct in that if we contain this virus via isolation so 
it can't spread beyond those it has infected already, we can stop it in it's 
tracks and all of us don't have to get it.However, given that a lot of 
Americans don't trust and won't listen to those who know about this stuff, from 
the President on down, there is no hope of stopping it. We will all get it, 
many of us will be very sick and permanently debilitated by it, and too many 
will die from it. That having been said, the planet is over populated ...
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:50 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Karl,
Does anybody honestly believe the numbers coming out of China? I find them so 
low as to be a joke...
I'm with Rick, we're all going to get this eventually, it's essentially a new, 
much worse, flu. Get used to the idea now. This who are waiting for a vaccine 
ignore the fact that the record for a vaccine release is 4 years.
Curt

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  On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:52 PM, Karl Wittnebel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Rick I won't tell either of them that 
you said they were fat or unhealthy
:-) Picture very fit, active, healthy moms in their 40s and you will have
the idea.

My point is exactly that: many people (including me) want to minimize this
thing by thinking that all the people getting sick are somehow not like
them, but this is not the case. Statistically sure most young healthy
people are not going to die from it. But it still makes normal, otherwise
healthy, middle age people very sick in a way that influenza does not, over
a much longer interval measured in weeks rather than days. I am talking
about not being able to speak in full sentences for weeks, being short of
breath talking on the phone. Having pain in your lungs when you breathe.
For weeks.

I think the flu comparison article I posted speaks to this. Covid deaths
this year are multiples of influenza deaths even in a bad year.

Exercise is always good, as is eating right, not smoking and not being fat.

I am not trying to alarm anyone, or advocate for any particular response,
other than to rank it higher on the list of threats in your thinking than
the flu, take appropriate precautions, etc. Saying we are all going to get
it is rather defeatist when it is clearly possible to suppress to virtually
zero e.g. Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, Singapore, S. Korea. I dont think any
of us want to give it to our parents or elderly friends. Wash hands, wear a
mask if you are close to vulnerable people for more than 30 minutes in a
poorly ventilated space, these are sensible precautions that don't cost
much. Maybe we will start to track it better so we dont end up shutting the
whole economy down.

Ok maybe I was silly to bring it up, especially for Euan in New Zealand
where they dont even have any of this disease.

Maybe the meth jokes arent so bad after all.

As you were.

On Fri, May 15, 2020, 2:28 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Karl inquires:
>
> >How many people do you know who have died of the flu?
>
> With or of? A few over the years with, none of.
> I do have know someone who was very close to death from H1N1 in 2009.
> From, not with. She is still not 100% a decade later. That is/was a VERY
> nasty virus that directly killed a lot of otherwise healthy people.
>
> >The mom of my 3rd grader's classmate has been in >the hospital for about
> 6 weeks and a colleague of >mine at the hospital was out of work for 5
> weeks >and still cant breathe well when she lies flat. 40yo RN
>
> Estimated BMI over 30? Other comorbidities?
>
> Sorry folks, if you are fat, out of shape, or have other health issues,
> address what you can. The curve has been flattened, but the area under the
> curve has not. Meaning whoever was going to get this virus is still going
> to get it, just later this year or next. Meaning we will have to fight off
> not only Covid 19, but influenza a or influenza b, AND Covid 19
> concomitantly. So, with that said,
>
> 1. If you smoke, quit. Now. I watched my mom and my brother pass from lung
> cancer. I suspect death from this is similar.
> 2. If you have a BMI over 30, lose fat. Now. Diet is key. Stop putting
> garbage in your pie hole.
> 3. If you can tolerate hard aerobic exercise, do it every day. (Increase
> your VO2 max) This is a pulmonary disease. Increasing pu

[MBZ] It is safe to assume that the seafood is doing its job

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

   Alex Lopez
   

   Mercedes issues and maintenance owners group
   


15 mins 
· 
Members of Mercedes issues and maintenance owners group
Hey guys, quick question. I poured some sea foam into the engine, 
pouring about half a bottle where the oil goes a few days ago and now 
I'm noticing a smell and a little smoke comming out the tail pipe pipe.
It is safe to assume that the seafood is doing its job or can something 
else be wrong.

Also whats the general consensus on using sea foam on older mercedes?
I drive a 97 E320.
Thanks for your help.

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--FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> ...I'm coming to you this fall, and I'm going to punch you in the head... I 
> would begin training...

I would also consult Mr. Colt and his friends on this matter.  A defense in 
depth is
more reliable, hence that thing about eggs and baskets.  I'm sure the same 
applies here.

> It's about minimizing the risks. 

Exactly.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Also, propane-powered refrigerators (RV's, etc.) use an ammonia/water/hydrogen 
mix
as the refrigerant.  The one in my parents' camper failed.  An overstuffed 
freezer
was thought to be the cause.  Apparently pounding on the coils with 1# hammers
while running down bumpy roads is not good for them...

Supposedly it was quite smelly!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Artisanal, grass fed, free range, antibiotic free ice cream?

We've had one of these scoops that has some sort of mystery juice inside of it 
for years. It cuts through the hardest ice cream like buttah. All sorts of 
warnings about not putting it in hot water or the dishwasher. Maybe it would 
explode?

https://tinyurl.com/yd5uoy9e

-D

> On May 15, 2020, at 11:17 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I used to work at a bespoke ice creamery about 40 years ago.  NO, not 31 
> flavors.  I produced five gallon batches of fancy fluff, 20 gallons each day. 
>  When the pretty young thing at the counter had break, I was the scoop guy.  
> The metal scoops lived in a warm water bath.  We were driven out of business 
> by a place with a made up skandahoovian name.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 14, 2020, at 6:06 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:58 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> No, this is the age of instant gratification.  Wait ten minutes for ice
>>> cream?  OK boomer.  ;)
>>> 
>> 
>> 1) Get metal ice cream scoop.
>> 2) Put scoop into hot water a minute or two before scooping.
>> 3) Scoop ice cream.  If scoop gets cold, reheat in hot water.
>> 
>> -MMM-
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> clay 
> 
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> 
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