Re: [MBZ] Lary T. Mini split
I don’t know specifically where it might be on your car but on 210s and 163s the TCM is under the steering wheel above the under dash panel. You might ask in Benzworld or do a net search. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Feb 20, 2022, at 12:25 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Hey ya'll, > I was reviewing my emails nd found I had been negligent in thanking all who > replied to my questions about MInisplits! The knowledge of this list knows > no bounds! > > Next, I see questions abut the 722.6 tranny like the one in my 06 E350AWD - I > worked through all the suggested fixed for mine being stuck in limp mode - > R'd the Conductor plate and ATF, replaced the electr plug and it's o-rings > and got to the TCR (Trans Control Module). I checked everywhere I could > think of and came up with a location of the passenger foot well. I removed > the panel over the passenger's feet and all I found was a courtesy light. I > check with Sun Valley and was told the same location so it still sits in the > driveway as a paper weight - which it's very good at! ;-) > > I know there are some E350's with the 722.6 on this list -- if anyone finds > their TCM, please let me know. I asked the local dealer how they T'Shoot the > Tran's on mid 2000 MB's, and he said we don't;. If they have a problem, they > replace the Tranny at around $8K. I don't see that as an economically > practical solution!// > > Anyway, have been unable to find a decent replacement for our 91 300D 2.5T > that fits our budget and other needs. Plus, while doing the Trans work I > tore my rotator cuff making me even less able to do any sweat equity work. > But I am still hoping to find a decent W124 Diesel someday > > I hope everyone had a great Christmas and New Years? I am sure ya'll are as > happy as I am with Pres Bidens stellar performance?? Have a great Spring and > enjoy the coming Summer! > > Take care - > Larry > >> On 7/22/2021 7:10 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote: >> Is your shop a free standing metal building with two inches of insulation? >> Where are you located? 12 to 14k of cooling sounds inadequate and the >> heating needs may not be met as well. >> Most min split systems come with adequate refrigerant in the outside unit >> for a 25 foot run of tubing. There are high efficiency units available that >> can provide heat when outside temperature is five to ten degrees below zero. >> Installation is pretty simple. Run 220v power to outside unit. Low voltage >> wiring between inside and outside units. install llneset tubing in-between >> the inner band other units. Outside unit needs to sit on a slab on the >> ground or on brackets attached to the building. You will need to rent or >> borrow a vacume pump. After connecting the tubbing between the inner and >> outer unit you will need to "pull a vacume" on the tubing inorder to create >> a negative pressure and to verify that there is no leaks in the connections. >> Than you would open the valves on the outside unit to allow the refrigerant >> to flow through the system. Of course if you install yourself you will void >> the warranty. There are some systems that are made to use precharged >> linesets so you do not have to use a vacume pump. I HAVE WHOLESALE ACCESS TO >> SEVERAL DIFFERENT MANUFACTURES MINI SPLIT SYSTEMS (FUJITSU, Mitsubishi,LG >> etc) AND WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR selection/PURCHASE AND >> INSTALL. Ron Courcy >> >> >> From: Mercedes on behalf >> ofmercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 3:48 PM >> To:mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 188, Issue 91 >> >> Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to >> mercedes@okiebenz.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Mercedes digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. 2012 S600 V12 needs head gasket - $13,000 (Allan Streib) >>2. 1991 ? $1,000 (Allan Streib) >>3. Re: Red death (Allan Streib) >>4. Re: Red death (Curt Raymond) >>5. Re: Red death (Allan Streib) >>6. Re: Mini splits (Larry Turner) >>7. Re: Mini splits (Kevin Kraly) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:52:53 -0400 >> From: "Allan Streib" >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Subject: [MBZ] 2012 S600 V12 needs head gasket - $13,000 >> Message-ID:<084711ca-8b4d-4c62-bd9f-18a94d432...@www.fastmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> >>
Re: [MBZ] Lary T. Mini split
Hey ya'll, I was reviewing my emails nd found I had been negligent in thanking all who replied to my questions about MInisplits! The knowledge of this list knows no bounds! Next, I see questions abut the 722.6 tranny like the one in my 06 E350AWD - I worked through all the suggested fixed for mine being stuck in limp mode - R'd the Conductor plate and ATF, replaced the electr plug and it's o-rings and got to the TCR (Trans Control Module). I checked everywhere I could think of and came up with a location of the passenger foot well. I removed the panel over the passenger's feet and all I found was a courtesy light. I check with Sun Valley and was told the same location so it still sits in the driveway as a paper weight - which it's very good at! ;-) I know there are some E350's with the 722.6 on this list -- if anyone finds their TCM, please let me know. I asked the local dealer how they T'Shoot the Tran's on mid 2000 MB's, and he said we don't;. If they have a problem, they replace the Tranny at around $8K. I don't see that as an economically practical solution!// Anyway, have been unable to find a decent replacement for our 91 300D 2.5T that fits our budget and other needs. Plus, while doing the Trans work I tore my rotator cuff making me even less able to do any sweat equity work. But I am still hoping to find a decent W124 Diesel someday I hope everyone had a great Christmas and New Years? I am sure ya'll are as happy as I am with Pres Bidens stellar performance?? Have a great Spring and enjoy the coming Summer! Take care - Larry On 7/22/2021 7:10 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote: Is your shop a free standing metal building with two inches of insulation? Where are you located? 12 to 14k of cooling sounds inadequate and the heating needs may not be met as well. Most min split systems come with adequate refrigerant in the outside unit for a 25 foot run of tubing. There are high efficiency units available that can provide heat when outside temperature is five to ten degrees below zero. Installation is pretty simple. Run 220v power to outside unit. Low voltage wiring between inside and outside units. install llneset tubing in-between the inner band other units. Outside unit needs to sit on a slab on the ground or on brackets attached to the building. You will need to rent or borrow a vacume pump. After connecting the tubbing between the inner and outer unit you will need to "pull a vacume" on the tubing inorder to create a negative pressure and to verify that there is no leaks in the connections. Than you would open the valves on the outside unit to allow the refrigerant to flow through the system. Of course if you install yourself you will void the warranty. There are some systems that are made to use precharged linesets so you do not have to use a vacume pump. I HAVE WHOLESALE ACCESS TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT MANUFACTURES MINI SPLIT SYSTEMS (FUJITSU, Mitsubishi,LG etc) AND WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR selection/PURCHASE AND INSTALL. Ron Courcy From: Mercedes on behalf ofmercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 3:48 PM To:mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 188, Issue 91 Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to mercedes@okiebenz.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com You can reach the person managing the list at mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mercedes digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 2012 S600 V12 needs head gasket - $13,000 (Allan Streib) 2. 1991 ? $1,000 (Allan Streib) 3. Re: Red death (Allan Streib) 4. Re: Red death (Curt Raymond) 5. Re: Red death (Allan Streib) 6. Re: Mini splits (Larry Turner) 7. Re: Mini splits (Kevin Kraly) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:52:53 -0400 From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: [MBZ] 2012 S600 V12 needs head gasket - $13,000 Message-ID:<084711ca-8b4d-4c62-bd9f-18a94d432...@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/taylorsville-2012-mercedes-s600-v12/7354620819.html Allan -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:55:22 -0400 From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: [MBZ] 1991 ? $1,000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Any questions? https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/wheatfield-1991-mercedes-benz/7354590859.html Allan -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:00:35 -0400 From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Red death
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
> Meter is connected between b terminal on starter and positive on battery via > a brand new pair of jumper cables. Meter is set on the 20 scale I believe. > Is that correct? Yes. There's no way the 'welding cable' should have even a measurable drop across it when it's not cranking. Losing more than a volt, when the battery's considered usable down to 10V, while cranking is unforgivable. So, something is wrong. What is the battery voltage while cranking? What is the current drawn from the battery while cranking? It's bog-simple. What's the battery supplying, voltage and current? What percentage of that voltage is the starter seeing, versus being lost to power leaks along the way. If I'm pouring 4kW (say) out of the battery, how much is being used to turn over the engine, and how much is being used to heat things that should stay cold? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT gas water heater, pilot won't stay lit
Finding a lot of references that Rheem gas valves have an overtemp safety fuse that cuts off the thermocouple circuit. The problem is this safety device is often defective. It can be bypassed, losing the protection of the device. However the tank still has a pressure relief valve, so I'm not sure there's a real risk in doing so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kOGhJwQTl8 Will try this tomorrow and probably leave it bypassed. Water heater was made in 2020 so is still under warranty, Rheem will send out a new valve but apparently they are currently overwhelmed with claims. On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 9:48 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > I vaguely recall having a bad valve on a WH at some point in the distant past > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Feb 19, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Was at oldest son's house today trying to help with his water heater. It >> has a pilot light and it won't stay lit. I suspected the thermocouple was >> the problem, went to Lowes and bought one of their generic replacements for >> $10. Installed, and the problem is unchanged. >> >> So for $10 I guess there's some chance the new thermocouple was bad out of >> the box. But how likely is that? Can they be tested with a voltmeter? >> >> The only other possibility that I can think of is that the gas valve unit >> itself is bad, and it's not sensing the signal from the thermocouple. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
When its warmer outside it still cranks slow, but when it drops below 40, closer to 30, it usually will not turn over fast enough to start, but on the 2nd start attempt it lights off. It currently has 15W40 in it but I am going to be switching it to either 5W40 or 10W40 diesel oil. It might make a difference but it still turns over too slow. Battery is brand new. On 2/19/2022 9:25 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: Can you measure the voltage across the battery terminals while cranking? That would tell you if you have a battery problem or not. I don't know the history of this car but oil that is way too thick can really lug cold weather cranking. Is the oil viscosity known or is there experience cranking at warm ambient? I don't know if there is a voltage drop spec for these things. 1.3v seems high to me but my experience is with batteries mounted much closer to the starter. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 9:19 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly? Did I have the range set correctly on my meter, or did you notice on that video? When I turned the key on it jumped up to around .5 volts and settled down to .12 BEFORE I started cranking. Should it show any voltage before the cranking starts? When cranking it shows 1.2-1.5 volts. The ground cable I am taking about is the short ground strap or whatever that comes off the solenoid to the body/back of the starter. Tomorrow I will try a jumper cable from the battery to the b terminal and see what happens. If this voltage drop is accurate and this high, could it be a dirty connection at the starter? I can't see it at all, I have been doing this all by feel. I did go to HF today and bought one of those inspection cameras so I can get a look at it. Tomorrow will probably remove the connections and see if they need to be cleaned up. Same with that one on the back of the alternator. On 2/19/2022 5:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: 0.9V lost in the cable, _while cranking_, is something near a 10% loss! Sounds unacceptable to me. If this is just while sitting, something else is drastically wrong. Have you tried using your jumper cables to tie battery + to the big terminal on the starter? Bypass what should be perfect heavy cabling, using temporary heavy cabling. Any difference then? People tend to think of wires as perfect. They are not, they ALL are resistors. Just, we hope, very small ones. Measuring the voltage across a wire under load will show the imperfection. It should not be much. What 'ground' cable between the solenoid and the starter? The schematic of the heavy-current starter circuit is dirt-simple: ++ || --- Bat- == Star- --- tery == ter || ++ Ideally you are measuring the voltage between the two '+' symbols on the top, and also between the two '+' symbols on the bottom. Neither should show any significant voltage while starting. If the wires were perfect, they would read zero. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
Link to video in the original email: https://youtube.com/shorts/DxXrEAIJl6g?feature=share Meter is connected between b terminal on starter and positive on battery via a brand new pair of jumper cables. Meter is set on the 20 scale I believe. Is that correct? On 2/19/2022 9:25 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Did I have the range set correctly on my meter, or did you notice on that video? Video? When I turned the key on it jumped up to around .5 volts and settled down to .12 BEFORE I started cranking. Then you're not measuring what we're talking about. Somehow. There should be no voltage between the ends of a wire unless there is a crap-ton of current flowing through it. In the case of the starter, some 300-400A. If you have an auto-ranging meter it'll jump ranges on you. A .12 reading is NOT 1.2 _volts_ unless the scale says it is. My Fluke will do this. Read it carefully, or else lock it into the integral volts range before taking the reading. The ground cable I am talking about is the short ground strap or whatever that comes off the solenoid to the body/back of the starter. The only MB starters I'm familiar with have two fat terminals on them, and one little one. One big terminal goes to the battery, and the other is the starter motor. The integral solenoid/relay actuates a big contact switch between them. The case of the starter is the negative terminal, there are no other 'grounds'. A braided copper cable, for example, is not a ground, though they are often used for such. This crap is easy enough to diagnose, but ONLY if you can get access to all the terminals. And you have the right tools. And you know how to use them. -- JIm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ryobi cordless tool deal
4 brushless motor tools, a worklight, and two batteries for $180. No circular saw or 1/2" impact gun included however. https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Brushless-Cordless-5-Tool-Combo-Kit-with-1-1-5-Ah-Battery-1-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-and-Bag-PBLCK300K/313580992 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
Can you measure the voltage across the battery terminals while cranking? That would tell you if you have a battery problem or not. I don't know the history of this car but oil that is way too thick can really lug cold weather cranking. Is the oil viscosity known or is there experience cranking at warm ambient? I don't know if there is a voltage drop spec for these things. 1.3v seems high to me but my experience is with batteries mounted much closer to the starter. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 9:19 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly? Did I have the range set correctly on my meter, or did you notice on that video? When I turned the key on it jumped up to around .5 volts and settled down to .12 BEFORE I started cranking. Should it show any voltage before the cranking starts? When cranking it shows 1.2-1.5 volts. The ground cable I am taking about is the short ground strap or whatever that comes off the solenoid to the body/back of the starter. Tomorrow I will try a jumper cable from the battery to the b terminal and see what happens. If this voltage drop is accurate and this high, could it be a dirty connection at the starter? I can't see it at all, I have been doing this all by feel. I did go to HF today and bought one of those inspection cameras so I can get a look at it. Tomorrow will probably remove the connections and see if they need to be cleaned up. Same with that one on the back of the alternator. On 2/19/2022 5:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > 0.9V lost in the cable, _while cranking_, is something near a 10% loss! > Sounds unacceptable to me. > > If this is just while sitting, something else is drastically wrong. > Have you tried using your jumper cables to tie battery + to the big > terminal on the starter? Bypass what should be perfect heavy cabling, > using temporary heavy cabling. Any difference then? > > People tend to think of wires as perfect. They are not, they ALL are > resistors. > Just, we hope, very small ones. Measuring the voltage across a wire > under load will show the imperfection. It should not be much. > > What 'ground' cable between the solenoid and the starter? > > The schematic of the heavy-current starter circuit is dirt-simple: > > > ++ > || > --- Bat- == Star- >--- tery == ter > || > ++ > > Ideally you are measuring the voltage between the two '+' symbols on > the top, and also between the two '+' symbols on the bottom. > Neither should show any significant voltage while starting. If the > wires were perfect, they would read zero. > > -- Jim > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
Can you measure the voltage across the battery terminals while cranking? That would tell you if you have a battery problem or not. I don't know the history of this car but oil that is way too thick can really lug cold weather cranking. Is the oil viscosity known or is there experience cranking at warm ambient? I don't know if there is a voltage drop spec for these things. 1.3v seems high to me but my experience is with batteries mounted much closer to the starter. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 9:19 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly? Did I have the range set correctly on my meter, or did you notice on that video? When I turned the key on it jumped up to around .5 volts and settled down to .12 BEFORE I started cranking. Should it show any voltage before the cranking starts? When cranking it shows 1.2-1.5 volts. The ground cable I am taking about is the short ground strap or whatever that comes off the solenoid to the body/back of the starter. Tomorrow I will try a jumper cable from the battery to the b terminal and see what happens. If this voltage drop is accurate and this high, could it be a dirty connection at the starter? I can't see it at all, I have been doing this all by feel. I did go to HF today and bought one of those inspection cameras so I can get a look at it. Tomorrow will probably remove the connections and see if they need to be cleaned up. Same with that one on the back of the alternator. On 2/19/2022 5:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > 0.9V lost in the cable, _while cranking_, is something near a 10% loss! > Sounds unacceptable to me. > > If this is just while sitting, something else is drastically wrong. > Have you tried using your jumper cables to tie battery + to the big > terminal on the starter? Bypass what should be perfect heavy cabling, > using temporary heavy cabling. Any difference then? > > People tend to think of wires as perfect. They are not, they ALL are > resistors. > Just, we hope, very small ones. Measuring the voltage across a wire > under load will show the imperfection. It should not be much. > > What 'ground' cable between the solenoid and the starter? > > The schematic of the heavy-current starter circuit is dirt-simple: > > > ++ > || > --- Bat- == Star- >--- tery == ter > || > ++ > > Ideally you are measuring the voltage between the two '+' symbols on > the top, and also between the two '+' symbols on the bottom. > Neither should show any significant voltage while starting. If the > wires were perfect, they would read zero. > > -- Jim > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
> Did I have the range set correctly on my meter, or did you notice on that > video? Video? > When I turned the key on it jumped up to around .5 volts and settled down to > .12 BEFORE I started cranking. Then you're not measuring what we're talking about. Somehow. There should be no voltage between the ends of a wire unless there is a crap-ton of current flowing through it. In the case of the starter, some 300-400A. If you have an auto-ranging meter it'll jump ranges on you. A .12 reading is NOT 1.2 _volts_ unless the scale says it is. My Fluke will do this. Read it carefully, or else lock it into the integral volts range before taking the reading. > The ground cable I am talking about is the short ground strap or whatever > that comes off the solenoid to the body/back of the starter. The only MB starters I'm familiar with have two fat terminals on them, and one little one. One big terminal goes to the battery, and the other is the starter motor. The integral solenoid/relay actuates a big contact switch between them. The case of the starter is the negative terminal, there are no other 'grounds'. A braided copper cable, for example, is not a ground, though they are often used for such. This crap is easy enough to diagnose, but ONLY if you can get access to all the terminals. And you have the right tools. And you know how to use them. -- JIm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT gas water heater, pilot won't stay lit
I vaguely recall having a bad valve on a WH at some point in the distant past --FT Sent from iFōn > On Feb 19, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Was at oldest son's house today trying to help with his water heater. It has > a pilot light and it won't stay lit. I suspected the thermocouple was the > problem, went to Lowes and bought one of their generic replacements for $10. > Installed, and the problem is unchanged. > > So for $10 I guess there's some chance the new thermocouple was bad out of > the box. But how likely is that? Can they be tested with a voltmeter? > > The only other possibility that I can think of is that the gas valve unit > itself is bad, and it's not sensing the signal from the thermocouple. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT gas water heater, pilot won't stay lit
Was at oldest son's house today trying to help with his water heater. It has a pilot light and it won't stay lit. I suspected the thermocouple was the problem, went to Lowes and bought one of their generic replacements for $10. Installed, and the problem is unchanged. So for $10 I guess there's some chance the new thermocouple was bad out of the box. But how likely is that? Can they be tested with a voltmeter? The only other possibility that I can think of is that the gas valve unit itself is bad, and it's not sensing the signal from the thermocouple. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
Did I have the range set correctly on my meter, or did you notice on that video? When I turned the key on it jumped up to around .5 volts and settled down to .12 BEFORE I started cranking. Should it show any voltage before the cranking starts? When cranking it shows 1.2-1.5 volts. The ground cable I am taking about is the short ground strap or whatever that comes off the solenoid to the body/back of the starter. Tomorrow I will try a jumper cable from the battery to the b terminal and see what happens. If this voltage drop is accurate and this high, could it be a dirty connection at the starter? I can't see it at all, I have been doing this all by feel. I did go to HF today and bought one of those inspection cameras so I can get a look at it. Tomorrow will probably remove the connections and see if they need to be cleaned up. Same with that one on the back of the alternator. On 2/19/2022 5:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: 0.9V lost in the cable, _while cranking_, is something near a 10% loss! Sounds unacceptable to me. If this is just while sitting, something else is drastically wrong. Have you tried using your jumper cables to tie battery + to the big terminal on the starter? Bypass what should be perfect heavy cabling, using temporary heavy cabling. Any difference then? People tend to think of wires as perfect. They are not, they ALL are resistors. Just, we hope, very small ones. Measuring the voltage across a wire under load will show the imperfection. It should not be much. What 'ground' cable between the solenoid and the starter? The schematic of the heavy-current starter circuit is dirt-simple: ++ || --- Bat- == Star- --- tery == ter || ++ Ideally you are measuring the voltage between the two '+' symbols on the top, and also between the two '+' symbols on the bottom. Neither should show any significant voltage while starting. If the wires were perfect, they would read zero. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 5 speed manual transmission. 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190d, $7, 000
Possibly, but not on that car. On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 3:46 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Weren't those stock wheels? > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, 9:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Fugly wheels but otherwise looks decent > > > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/689104112109190 > > > > -- > > --FT > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )
BSME, working as a machine tool designer and spindle design engineer for a major machine tool company in the Cincinnati area. Have always loved mechanical things and trying to figure out how they work and are put together. Happily retired in 2020 after 43 years in the industry. Bob Massmann ML350 BT -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 10:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) Solid work. I'm always impressed when a home gamer takes on one of these big jobs. -Curt On Saturday, February 19, 2022, 09:37:56 AM EST, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: Well I have finally gotten to the oil cooler on my ML. Didn't break anything, but only had trouble with one screw. It was part of the exhaust fasteners and are one time use and need to be replaced. Currently before removing the oil cooler I will cover the turbo stand position and clean all the soot from the intake ports. I will be trying to clean intake manifolds as well as the EGR assembly at the front of the engine after the intercooler. The mixture of oil from the PCV valve and exhaust is a very messy mix. Once the cleaning is complete, I will start putting things back together. I have tried to put as many of the fasteners as I can back into the same holes so I have them in their correct location. Bob Massmann ML350 BT -Original Message- From: Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 1:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Buggered Benzmail Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) Seriously ouch --FT Sent from iFōn On Feb 18, 2022, at 12:50 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: Mercedes Dealer gave me a quote of $3600 to complete the repair, ouch! Bob Massmann -Original Message- From: dan penoff.com via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 3:49 PM To: Okie Benz Cc: dan penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) Makes me glad I have older, simpler cars. -D On Feb 16, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: This of the engine bay of my ML. Lots of stuff. Things that need to be removed to get at the buried oil cooler. 1) left and right air filters 2) engine bay shielding 3) intake plenum with mass flow sensors 4) tube from turbo to intercooler 5) air intake mixing chamber assembly 6) fuel filter 7) fuel interconnection tube 8) turbo 9) Turbo rizer 10) EGR flap servo 11) Right intake manifold 12) left intake manifold ( I was thinking of trying to leave it alone, but it may need to be cleaned as well ) With all that the oil cooler should be accessible? Not sure if I missed anything. I am just on step 8 currently, I have one more screw to remove. -Original Message- From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 4:09 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Floyd Thursby Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) My $500 99E300 had a completely buggered up intake manifold and jammed EGR, ran like sh*t. An afternoon of cleaning got it running great. Was a fairly easy job on that car though. --FT On 2/15/22 2:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: More an effect of emissions controls. In particular EGR. EGR reduces NOX emissions in diesels, but it makes a mess of the intake manifold. In manifolds with movable flaps, things get "interesting". To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
0.9V lost in the cable, _while cranking_, is something near a 10% loss! Sounds unacceptable to me. If this is just while sitting, something else is drastically wrong. Have you tried using your jumper cables to tie battery + to the big terminal on the starter? Bypass what should be perfect heavy cabling, using temporary heavy cabling. Any difference then? People tend to think of wires as perfect. They are not, they ALL are resistors. Just, we hope, very small ones. Measuring the voltage across a wire under load will show the imperfection. It should not be much. What 'ground' cable between the solenoid and the starter? The schematic of the heavy-current starter circuit is dirt-simple: ++ || --- Bat- == Star- --- tery == ter || ++ Ideally you are measuring the voltage between the two '+' symbols on the top, and also between the two '+' symbols on the bottom. Neither should show any significant voltage while starting. If the wires were perfect, they would read zero. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
It’s a brand new AGM that I did load test and it’s fine. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2022, at 5:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Kaleb, > Have you ever put a load tester on that battery? I have had batteries that > would check as 12.3 vdc using a meter, but when hooked to a load tester, > would drop to below 7 volts, which is a failure I've forgotten over the > passage of time and messages where you might be with the battery. Sorry if > it's been done already. > > >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 4:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> This is the 2008 GL320 that turns over slow. I hooked the negative of the >> meter to the b terminal at the starter. The battery is under the seat so I >> used a brand new pair of jumper cables, connected to the positive on the >> battery with positive of meter to other end of jumper cable. In video it >> still turns over too slow but not as slow as it does when sitting all >> night. I was able to get to the top of the starter by removing the air box >> then removing the top motor mount bolt and head shield. Not an easy job. >> >> >> https://youtube.com/shorts/DxXrEAIJl6g?feature=share >> >> It appears the cable off the starter runs to a stud on the back of the >> alternator? From there it goes to the connection at the jump post then to >> the battery. After the test in the video moved lead to the connection on >> the back of the alternator with about the same results, then to the >> connections at the jumper post which was not as high but still about .9 >> iirc. Should there be voltage showing when the key is turned on before you >> start cranking? Negative side was about the same but will say the ground >> cable that goes from the solenoid to the body of the starter felt hot to >> the touch after that little bit of cranking. >> >> If this is really the voltage drop im sure not finding anything wrong. All >> connections look clean. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
Kaleb, Have you ever put a load tester on that battery? I have had batteries that would check as 12.3 vdc using a meter, but when hooked to a load tester, would drop to below 7 volts, which is a failure I've forgotten over the passage of time and messages where you might be with the battery. Sorry if it's been done already. On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 4:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This is the 2008 GL320 that turns over slow. I hooked the negative of the > meter to the b terminal at the starter. The battery is under the seat so I > used a brand new pair of jumper cables, connected to the positive on the > battery with positive of meter to other end of jumper cable. In video it > still turns over too slow but not as slow as it does when sitting all > night. I was able to get to the top of the starter by removing the air box > then removing the top motor mount bolt and head shield. Not an easy job. > > > https://youtube.com/shorts/DxXrEAIJl6g?feature=share > > It appears the cable off the starter runs to a stud on the back of the > alternator? From there it goes to the connection at the jump post then to > the battery. After the test in the video moved lead to the connection on > the back of the alternator with about the same results, then to the > connections at the jumper post which was not as high but still about .9 > iirc. Should there be voltage showing when the key is turned on before you > start cranking? Negative side was about the same but will say the ground > cable that goes from the solenoid to the body of the starter felt hot to > the touch after that little bit of cranking. > > If this is really the voltage drop im sure not finding anything wrong. All > connections look clean. > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1996 SL500 - 198k miles - $5,000
It “could” but doesn’t necessarily have plastic oiler tubes. These supply oil to the top end of the engine through the heads, and the stock tubes were plastic with a plug in one end. As they age, the cap on the end will fall out, and as a result the oil just drains into the top of the head and down the drain hole to the crankcase. It also causes lower oil volume/pressure at idle, which often causes the lifters to “tick”. They can also tick if the oil being used is inadequate. 1,000 miles with some M1 usually clears it up, if that’s the case. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 1:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: [MBZ] 1996 SL500 - 198k miles - $5,000 "M119 engine has typical tick but runs perfectly" What is this "typical tick" ?? https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1996-mercedes-sl500/7447858241.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
It “could” but doesn’t necessarily have plastic oiler tubes. These supply oil to the top end of the engine through the heads, and the stock tubes were plastic with a plug in one end. As they age, the cap on the end will fall out, and as a result the oil just drains into the top of the head and down the drain hole to the crankcase. It also causes lower oil volume/pressure at idle, which often causes the lifters to “tick”. They can also tick if the oil being used is inadequate. 1,000 miles with some M1 usually clears it up, if that’s the case. -D From: Mercedes on behalf of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 3:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil Have you ordered oil by the 55 barrel before? I thought about ordering one but what do you use for a pump? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2022, at 1:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think when you step up into the 55 gallon barrel crowd, the definition of > "bulk" becomes huge multiples of 55 gallon barrels.. like a train car load. > Then you are elevated into the "bulk buyer discount realm "... > I do not qualify for that as a bottom feeder, only one barrel shipment. > >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 10:51 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Yeah $9/qt is about normal retail price. I am surprised there is no >> discount buying in bulk. >> >> >>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >>> I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 15W40 >>> supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get >>> gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I want to >>> buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 >> gallon >>> barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. >>> So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply to >>> only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] The >>> NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so they >>> "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per gallon >> of >>> $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil like >>> T6. >>> Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their oil changed. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil Welcome to the club. Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon >> jugs of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 >> gallons". Gouge pricing much? On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The >> other > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___
[MBZ] Am I doing this starter voltage drop test correctly?
This is the 2008 GL320 that turns over slow. I hooked the negative of the meter to the b terminal at the starter. The battery is under the seat so I used a brand new pair of jumper cables, connected to the positive on the battery with positive of meter to other end of jumper cable. In video it still turns over too slow but not as slow as it does when sitting all night. I was able to get to the top of the starter by removing the air box then removing the top motor mount bolt and head shield. Not an easy job. https://youtube.com/shorts/DxXrEAIJl6g?feature=share It appears the cable off the starter runs to a stud on the back of the alternator? From there it goes to the connection at the jump post then to the battery. After the test in the video moved lead to the connection on the back of the alternator with about the same results, then to the connections at the jumper post which was not as high but still about .9 iirc. Should there be voltage showing when the key is turned on before you start cranking? Negative side was about the same but will say the ground cable that goes from the solenoid to the body of the starter felt hot to the touch after that little bit of cranking. If this is really the voltage drop im sure not finding anything wrong. All connections look clean. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 5 speed manual transmission. 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190d, $7, 000
Weren't those stock wheels? On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, 9:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Fugly wheels but otherwise looks decent > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/689104112109190 > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 3:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Have you ordered oil by the 55 barrel before? I thought about ordering > one but what do you use for a pump? https://www.harborfreight.com/search?q=barrel%20pump ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
https://hftools.com/app45743 Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 19, 2022 2:27 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil Have you ordered oil by the 55 barrel before? I thought about ordering one but what do you use for a pump? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2022, at 1:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think when you step up into the 55 gallon barrel crowd, the definition of > "bulk" becomes huge multiples of 55 gallon barrels.. like a train car load. > Then you are elevated into the "bulk buyer discount realm "... > I do not qualify for that as a bottom feeder, only one barrel shipment. > >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 10:51 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Yeah $9/qt is about normal retail price. I am surprised there is no >> discount buying in bulk. >> >> >>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >>> I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 15W40 >>> supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get >>> gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I want to >>> buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 >> gallon >>> barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. >>> So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply to >>> only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] The >>> NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so they >>> "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per gallon >> of >>> $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil like >>> T6. >>> Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their oil changed. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil Welcome to the club. Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon >> jugs of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 >> gallons". Gouge pricing much? On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The >> other > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1996 SL500 - 198k miles - $5,000
They have plastic top end oiling tubes that fail over time. Dan can explain if he sees this. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 19, 2022 12:29 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astr...@fastmail.fm Subject: [MBZ] 1996 SL500 - 198k miles - $5,000 "M119 engine has typical tick but runs perfectly" What is this "typical tick" ?? https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1996-mercedes-sl500/7447858241.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
Have you ordered oil by the 55 barrel before? I thought about ordering one but what do you use for a pump? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2022, at 1:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think when you step up into the 55 gallon barrel crowd, the definition of > "bulk" becomes huge multiples of 55 gallon barrels.. like a train car load. > Then you are elevated into the "bulk buyer discount realm "... > I do not qualify for that as a bottom feeder, only one barrel shipment. > >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 10:51 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Yeah $9/qt is about normal retail price. I am surprised there is no >> discount buying in bulk. >> >> >>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >>> I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 15W40 >>> supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get >>> gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I want to >>> buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 >> gallon >>> barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. >>> So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply to >>> only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] The >>> NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so they >>> "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per gallon >> of >>> $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil like >>> T6. >>> Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their oil changed. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil Welcome to the club. Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon >> jugs of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 >> gallons". Gouge pricing much? On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The >> other > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
The guy I bought my old TD from in Houston was a Benz mech who had to quit because of his illness. (He was my wife’s patient). Went to visit him before he passed and his former wife was taking care of him (nice of her) and asked me if I wanted a barrel of like 10W30 Shell oil that was sitting in his garage that I guess he brought there from his shop. Had a pump on it and everything. It was nearly full but I had no place to put it much less a way to move the thing. She was kinda disappointed I didn’t take it. I’d probably still be drawing off it 20yr later. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Feb 19, 2022, at 2:01 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think when you step up into the 55 gallon barrel crowd, the definition of > "bulk" becomes huge multiples of 55 gallon barrels.. like a train car load. > Then you are elevated into the "bulk buyer discount realm "... > I do not qualify for that as a bottom feeder, only one barrel shipment. > >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 10:51 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Yeah $9/qt is about normal retail price. I am surprised there is no >> discount buying in bulk. >> >> >>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >>> I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 15W40 >>> supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get >>> gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I want to >>> buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 >> gallon >>> barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. >>> So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply to >>> only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] The >>> NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so they >>> "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per gallon >> of >>> $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil like >>> T6. >>> Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their oil changed. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil Welcome to the club. Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon >> jugs of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 >> gallons". Gouge pricing much? On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The >> other > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
I think when you step up into the 55 gallon barrel crowd, the definition of "bulk" becomes huge multiples of 55 gallon barrels.. like a train car load. Then you are elevated into the "bulk buyer discount realm "... I do not qualify for that as a bottom feeder, only one barrel shipment. On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 10:51 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yeah $9/qt is about normal retail price. I am surprised there is no > discount buying in bulk. > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 15W40 > > supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get > > gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I want to > > buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 > gallon > > barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. > > So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply to > > only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] The > > NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so they > > "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per gallon > of > > $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil like > > T6. > > Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their > >> oil changed. > >> > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil > >> > >> Welcome to the club. > >> Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon > jugs > >> of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 > gallons". > >> Gouge pricing much? > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The > other > >> > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1996 SL500 - 198k miles - $5,000
Could be an injector which would not be a big deal but one would wonder why it had not been dealt with, and what else --FT Sent from iFōn > On Feb 19, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > "M119 engine has typical tick but runs perfectly" > > What is this "typical tick" ?? > > https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1996-mercedes-sl500/7447858241.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] If the Green Goblin owned an AMG GT-R...
A very similar color was factory. Looks like it is silver underneath. The wrap seems professional and probably looks ok. Probably not an unreasonable ask. I’d drive it as is. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Feb 19, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > ... I imagine it would look something like this > > https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-2020-mercedes-benz-amg-gt-gtr/7447966257.html > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2005 E500 4MATIC Wagon - 186k miles - $9,500
Very nice. I should list mine for $8k --FT Sent from iFōn > On Feb 19, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Look nice. I'd prefer a black interior over the ash gray, but overall clean > looking car. > > https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/grove-city-2005-mercedes-e500-4matic/7447978922.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
You are paying for the delivery of one small (relatively) load vs. a full trailer load - loss of the economy of scale. On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 12:22 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Should be cheaper than delivery on 220 quart bottles of the same total > weight? > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 1:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > Delivery on an almost 400 lb. barrel is not cheap. > > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Yeah $9/qt is about normal retail price. I am surprised there is no > >> discount buying in bulk. > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > >> > I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 > 15W40 > >> > supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get > >> > gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I > want to > >> > buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 > >> gallon > >> > barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. > >> > So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply > to > >> > only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] > The > >> > NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so > they > >> > "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per > gallon > >> of > >> > $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil > like > >> > T6. > >> > Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get > their > >> >> oil changed. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Rick > >> >> > >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> >> Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM > >> >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> >> Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com > >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil > >> >> > >> >> Welcome to the club. > >> >> Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 > gallon > >> jugs > >> >> of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 > >> gallons". > >> >> Gouge pricing much? > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The > >> other > >> >> > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. > >> >> > > >> >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> >> > > >> >> > ___ > >> >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> >> > > >> >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> >> > > >> >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> ___ > >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> >> > >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> >> > >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> >> > >> >> ___ > >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> >> > >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> >> > >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > > Von Braun > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1996 SL500 - 198k miles - $5,000
"M119 engine has typical tick but runs perfectly" What is this "typical tick" ?? https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1996-mercedes-sl500/7447858241.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2005 E500 4MATIC Wagon - 186k miles - $9,500
Look nice. I'd prefer a black interior over the ash gray, but overall clean looking car. https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/grove-city-2005-mercedes-e500-4matic/7447978922.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
Should be cheaper than delivery on 220 quart bottles of the same total weight? On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 1:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Delivery on an almost 400 lb. barrel is not cheap. > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Yeah $9/qt is about normal retail price. I am surprised there is no >> discount buying in bulk. >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >> > I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 15W40 >> > supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get >> > gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I want to >> > buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 >> gallon >> > barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. >> > So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply to >> > only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] The >> > NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so they >> > "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per gallon >> of >> > $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil like >> > T6. >> > Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their >> >> oil changed. >> >> >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> >> Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM >> >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> >> Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil >> >> >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon >> jugs >> >> of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 >> gallons". >> >> Gouge pricing much? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The >> other >> >> > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPhone >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> > >> >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> > >> >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] If the Green Goblin owned an AMG GT-R...
... I imagine it would look something like this https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-2020-mercedes-benz-amg-gt-gtr/7447966257.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
Delivery on an almost 400 lb. barrel is not cheap. On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yeah $9/qt is about normal retail price. I am surprised there is no > discount buying in bulk. > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 15W40 > > supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get > > gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I want to > > buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 > gallon > > barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. > > So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply to > > only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] The > > NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so they > > "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per gallon > of > > $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil like > > T6. > > Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their > >> oil changed. > >> > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM > >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil > >> > >> Welcome to the club. > >> Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon > jugs > >> of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 > gallons". > >> Gouge pricing much? > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The > other > >> > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
Yeah $9/qt is about normal retail price. I am surprised there is no discount buying in bulk. On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, at 11:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 15W40 > supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get > gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I want to > buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 gallon > barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. > So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply to > only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] The > NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so they > "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per gallon of > $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil like > T6. > Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their >> oil changed. >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil >> >> Welcome to the club. >> Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon jugs >> of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 gallons". >> Gouge pricing much? >> >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The other >> > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
I spoke with the NAPA warehouse manager for Phoenix area about T6 15W40 supply and ordering. His information was they would not be able to get gallons or 2.5 gallon containers for the next year. However, if I want to buy it in 55 gallon barrels, he could get it With shipping, a 55 gallon barrel would only cost me a little over $2,000. So, it looks like the factory supply chain has adjusted their supply to only support large truck fleets, for the near future. [he speculated] The NAPA warehouse here is a central hub that covers the whole state, so they "buy big", he should know. $2,000 divided by 55 yields a cost per gallon of $36.00 or $9 per quart Pricey, but on par for full synthetic oil like T6. Going to be an "interesting year" for the next few years, looks like. On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 5:01 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Hmm. Going to be a bit of supply chain issues if trucks can't get their > oil changed. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: February 18, 2022 5:55 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil > > Welcome to the club. > Just yesterday in Phoenix on Craigslist some guy was offering 1 gallon jugs > of 15W40 T6 Full Synthetic for $60 a gallon, ad says "I have 15 gallons". > Gouge pricing much? > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > There is now no diesel 5w40 of any kind available from Walmart. The other > > day they had valvoline blue that could be ordered. Not today. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
OTOH COVID numbers are back to November levels and still falling, yesterday the US was #5 for new cases with around 1/5 of our all time high. This should lead to increased staffing at places like ports and for trucking which ought to help get things moving again. We'll see... -Curt On Saturday, February 19, 2022, 11:23:17 AM EST, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > I think it's called cascading failure and it can occur in all manner of > social, mechanical, and economic systems if they are not robust. I've been waiting for years for the tax-structure-driven-preference-for-JIT chicken to come home to roost. This feels like teetering to me. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel oil
> I think it's called cascading failure and it can occur in all manner of > social, mechanical, and economic systems if they are not robust. I've been waiting for years for the tax-structure-driven-preference-for-JIT chicken to come home to roost. This feels like teetering to me. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )
Solid work. I'm always impressed when a home gamer takes on one of these big jobs. -Curt On Saturday, February 19, 2022, 09:37:56 AM EST, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote: Well I have finally gotten to the oil cooler on my ML. Didn't break anything, but only had trouble with one screw. It was part of the exhaust fasteners and are one time use and need to be replaced. Currently before removing the oil cooler I will cover the turbo stand position and clean all the soot from the intake ports. I will be trying to clean intake manifolds as well as the EGR assembly at the front of the engine after the intercooler. The mixture of oil from the PCV valve and exhaust is a very messy mix. Once the cleaning is complete, I will start putting things back together. I have tried to put as many of the fasteners as I can back into the same holes so I have them in their correct location. Bob Massmann ML350 BT -Original Message- From: Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 1:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Buggered Benzmail Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) Seriously ouch --FT Sent from iFōn > On Feb 18, 2022, at 12:50 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Mercedes Dealer gave me a quote of $3600 to complete the repair, ouch! > > Bob Massmann > > -Original Message- From: dan penoff.com via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 3:49 PM > To: Okie Benz > Cc: dan penoff.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) > > Makes me glad I have older, simpler cars. > > -D > >> On Feb 16, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> This of the engine bay of my ML. Lots of stuff. Things that need to be >> removed to get at the buried oil cooler. >> >> 1) left and right air filters >> 2) engine bay shielding >> 3) intake plenum with mass flow sensors >> 4) tube from turbo to intercooler >> 5) air intake mixing chamber assembly >> 6) fuel filter >> 7) fuel interconnection tube >> 8) turbo >> 9) Turbo rizer >> 10) EGR flap servo >> 11) Right intake manifold >> 12) left intake manifold ( I was thinking of trying to leave it alone, >> but it may need to be cleaned as well ) >> >> With all that the oil cooler should be accessible? >> >> Not sure if I missed anything. I am just on step 8 currently, I have one >> more screw to remove. >> >> -Original Message- From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 4:09 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: Floyd Thursby >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) >> >> My $500 99E300 had a completely buggered up intake manifold and jammed >> EGR, ran like sh*t. An afternoon of cleaning got it running great. Was >> a fairly easy job on that car though. >> >> --FT >> >>> On 2/15/22 2:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> More an effect of emissions controls. In particular EGR. EGR reduces NOX >>> emissions in diesels, but it makes a mess of the intake manifold. In >>> manifolds with movable flaps, things get "interesting". >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )
Very impressive. Attaboy and way to go! Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 19, 2022 8:38 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: rmassm...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) Well I have finally gotten to the oil cooler on my ML. Didn't break anything, but only had trouble with one screw. It was part of the exhaust fasteners and are one time use and need to be replaced. Currently before removing the oil cooler I will cover the turbo stand position and clean all the soot from the intake ports. I will be trying to clean intake manifolds as well as the EGR assembly at the front of the engine after the intercooler. The mixture of oil from the PCV valve and exhaust is a very messy mix. Once the cleaning is complete, I will start putting things back together. I have tried to put as many of the fasteners as I can back into the same holes so I have them in their correct location. Bob Massmann ML350 BT -Original Message- From: Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 1:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Buggered Benzmail Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) Seriously ouch --FT Sent from iFōn > On Feb 18, 2022, at 12:50 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Mercedes Dealer gave me a quote of $3600 to complete the repair, ouch! > > Bob Massmann > > -Original Message- From: dan penoff.com via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 3:49 PM > To: Okie Benz > Cc: dan penoff.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) > > Makes me glad I have older, simpler cars. > > -D > >> On Feb 16, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> This of the engine bay of my ML. Lots of stuff. Things that need to be >> removed to get at the buried oil cooler. >> >> 1) left and right air filters >> 2) engine bay shielding >> 3) intake plenum with mass flow sensors >> 4) tube from turbo to intercooler >> 5) air intake mixing chamber assembly >> 6) fuel filter >> 7) fuel interconnection tube >> 8) turbo >> 9) Turbo rizer >> 10) EGR flap servo >> 11) Right intake manifold >> 12) left intake manifold ( I was thinking of trying to leave it alone, >> but it may need to be cleaned as well ) >> >> With all that the oil cooler should be accessible? >> >> Not sure if I missed anything. I am just on step 8 currently, I have one >> more screw to remove. >> >> -Original Message- From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 4:09 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: Floyd Thursby >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec ) >> >> My $500 99E300 had a completely buggered up intake manifold and jammed >> EGR, ran like sh*t. An afternoon of cleaning got it running great. Was >> a fairly easy job on that car though. >> >> --FT >> >>> On 2/15/22 2:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> More an effect of emissions controls. In particular EGR. EGR reduces NOX >>> emissions in diesels, but it makes a mess of the intake manifold. In >>> manifolds with movable flaps, things get "interesting". >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 5 speed manual transmission. 1984 Mercedes-Benz 190d,$7,000
Fugly wheels but otherwise looks decent https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/689104112109190 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Air leak on intake side so turbo pressure won’t build but turbo works fine 2007 Mercedes-Benz R-Class R 320 CDI Sport Wagon 4D,$2,500
Transmission been served Oil leak like most diesel MB Car will need to be trailered until air leak Is found will not run correctly with leak https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/371424124440822 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] All the Bells and Whistles, 2012 Mercedes S600, Excellent car, All the bells and whistles - $28, 000 (JACKSONVILLE)
has bells and whistles, all of them! https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/ctd/d/jacksonville-2012-mercedes-s600/7447764687.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I am willing to negotiate BUT be realistic. 2004 Mercedes Benz E500 - $6, 000 (Raleigh)
Test drive available IF serious. And realistic. Don't forget realistic. https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/cary-2004-mercedes-benz-e500/7447982072.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spring Compressor
OK let me know. Plenty of places to have some fun! --FT On 2/18/22 11:15 PM, Jack Crone via Mercedes wrote: Gotcha, I'll let you know when we come down there, my buddies and I will probably just do a road trip down there and hang out around Charleston for the weekend. Thanks, Jack On Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 9:49 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Johns Island SC near Charleston --FT Sent from iFōn On Feb 18, 2022, at 9:32 PM, Jack Crone via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Yes I do live in Chapel hill, I was going to use it on my car and then a buddy of mine wanted to switch to h and r springs on his r129 500sl. Where are you located? Thanks, Jack On Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 6:30 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I don’t expect anything as it is just sitting in the garage. Shipping might be spendy given the weight but I can check. You’re in CH right? --FT Sent from iFōn On Feb 18, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Jack Crone via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I would cover shipping but what would you want me to pay to rent it from you on top of shipping it? Thanks, Jack On Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 5:53 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I have one --FT Sent from iFōn On Feb 18, 2022, at 5:46 PM, Jack Crone via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Hi yall I am sending this email out to ask if anyone has a spring compressor for the old benzes such as the w126 and w123 that I could rent because I don't have one and would rather borrow one than pay for a new one. Thanks, Jack ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
