Re: [MBZ] Home ac issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep. Plus we are taking the GL and the wife said the AC was not working again 
today. When I got home I checked it and it was working fine. I did dig an small 
window unit out of the garage I used to use in my upstairs office at the old 
house, put that in the bedroom so have at least one cool room. 

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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:45 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bummer. Always happens when you’re fixing to leave 
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sitting here it seems to be getting warm, and quiet. Outside fan unit 
>> running but not compressor. A little while ago there was a flicker in the 
>> power. Enough to restart the tv. Went out to unit and pulled cover, defrost 
>> board has both lights blinking which indicates coil sensor failure. This 
>> usually would involve heating mode I would think. I shorted the reset pins 
>> and it resets it but compressor still does not kick on and code comes back. 
>> Compressor is hot to the touch even though it probably has not been running 
>> for a while, say 45 minutes or so. I wonder if compressor locked or if it’s 
>> got a bad capacitor or something. I’m leaving town for Wyoming early in the 
>> morning and won’t be back until next week. Wtf? Guess I’m going to open up a 
>> claim with the home warranty people. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Home ac issue

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Bummer. Always happens when you’re fixing to leave 

--FT
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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sitting here it seems to be getting warm, and quiet. Outside fan unit 
> running but not compressor. A little while ago there was a flicker in the 
> power. Enough to restart the tv. Went out to unit and pulled cover, defrost 
> board has both lights blinking which indicates coil sensor failure. This 
> usually would involve heating mode I would think. I shorted the reset pins 
> and it resets it but compressor still does not kick on and code comes back. 
> Compressor is hot to the touch even though it probably has not been running 
> for a while, say 45 minutes or so. I wonder if compressor locked or if it’s 
> got a bad capacitor or something. I’m leaving town for Wyoming early in the 
> morning and won’t be back until next week. Wtf? Guess I’m going to open up a 
> claim with the home warranty people. 
> 
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[MBZ] Home ac issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Sitting here it seems to be getting warm, and quiet. Outside fan unit running 
but not compressor. A little while ago there was a flicker in the power. Enough 
to restart the tv. Went out to unit and pulled cover, defrost board has both 
lights blinking which indicates coil sensor failure. This usually would involve 
heating mode I would think. I shorted the reset pins and it resets it but 
compressor still does not kick on and code comes back. Compressor is hot to the 
touch even though it probably has not been running for a while, say 45 minutes 
or so. I wonder if compressor locked or if it’s got a bad capacitor or 
something. I’m leaving town for Wyoming early in the morning and won’t be back 
until next week. Wtf? Guess I’m going to open up a claim with the home warranty 
people. 

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Re: [MBZ] Clay bar on the CL500

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Attaboy! It’s turning out to be a worthwhile and gratifying project!
Kevin in Lexington, NC

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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did clay bar on the rest of the CL this evening. Used a bucket of water 
> with some car wash detergent to rinse it and help lube it while rubbing down 
> the car. 
> 
> I went to U Tube U to watch how the whole polishing process is done, not a 
> lot of learning curve other than to keep the pad moving and enough polish on 
> it, you can see how it’s going so that’s not hard. Do a smallish area then 
> move on to another one and overlap. 
> 
> It’s amazing how the bar feels at first, like rubbing the clay over sandpaper 
> but it soon gets the rough off and it had this brown stuff on it that looked 
> like sandpaper gets on it when you sand old varnish. After a few passes the 
> paint feels nice and smooth and no more of that stuff comes off. The sides of 
> the car did not have a lot of initial roughness as you’d expect, not a lot of 
> fallout goop on them. 
> 
> Washed the car with a shaggy sponge thing to get any residue off and it 
> actually looked some better already. 
> 
> I did the whole deal polishing (“paint correction“) on the hood already, it 
> looks really good. I’ll get to the rest of the car in next coupla days with 
> the RO buffer, compounds, final waxing.  I have some meguiars “cleaner wax” 
> that works well, I’m not sure how it differs from regular paste wax. 
> 
> I bought a meguiars kit off Amazon with the 3 polishing compounds and some 
> clay bars. This bar I used is probably shot after one car as it was starting 
> to get a little crumbly but it can probably be used a bit more. I got an 
> inexpensive RO variable speed buffer (“Avid Power”), it seems to be a decent 
> unit, feels quite solid and has good torque to spin the pads.  It came with 
> some buffer pads but I also got another kit of various kinds.  There is some 
> color code to them for increasing fineness, I can’t really tell the 
> difference but I follow the instructions. 
> 
> This is a great way to get a car looking really nice and is quite gratifying. 
> Takes some time but it’s worth it. 
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Yeah, I’ve looked at the “real” ones. Far too spendy for my tastes.

-D

On Jul 19, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

https://www.justrite.com/storage-and-safety-cabinets/paint-storage-cabinets

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On Jul 19, 2022, at 1:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I’m trying to find or come up with a metal cabinet for the garage where I can 
store combustibles, like paint and other flammable items. One of the “official” 
yellow cabinets would be nice, but they’re stupid expensive (for a reason, I 
know.)

Anyone have suggestions for what might serve a similar purpose without having 
to break the bank for an official combustibles cabinet? I’m guessing just a 
plain metal cabinet would be ideal, but I’m open to suggestions.

-D
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[MBZ] 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel (OM642) - 177k miles - $9, 500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://carbondale.craigslist.org/cto/d/macedonia-diesel-jeep-grand-cherokee/7510889282.html
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[MBZ] Clay bar on the CL500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I did clay bar on the rest of the CL this evening. Used a bucket of water with 
some car wash detergent to rinse it and help lube it while rubbing down the 
car. 

I went to U Tube U to watch how the whole polishing process is done, not a lot 
of learning curve other than to keep the pad moving and enough polish on it, 
you can see how it’s going so that’s not hard. Do a smallish area then move on 
to another one and overlap. 

It’s amazing how the bar feels at first, like rubbing the clay over sandpaper 
but it soon gets the rough off and it had this brown stuff on it that looked 
like sandpaper gets on it when you sand old varnish. After a few passes the 
paint feels nice and smooth and no more of that stuff comes off. The sides of 
the car did not have a lot of initial roughness as you’d expect, not a lot of 
fallout goop on them. 

Washed the car with a shaggy sponge thing to get any residue off and it 
actually looked some better already. 

I did the whole deal polishing (“paint correction“) on the hood already, it 
looks really good. I’ll get to the rest of the car in next coupla days with the 
RO buffer, compounds, final waxing.  I have some meguiars “cleaner wax” that 
works well, I’m not sure how it differs from regular paste wax. 

I bought a meguiars kit off Amazon with the 3 polishing compounds and some clay 
bars. This bar I used is probably shot after one car as it was starting to get 
a little crumbly but it can probably be used a bit more. I got an inexpensive 
RO variable speed buffer (“Avid Power”), it seems to be a decent unit, feels 
quite solid and has good torque to spin the pads.  It came with some buffer 
pads but I also got another kit of various kinds.  There is some color code to 
them for increasing fineness, I can’t really tell the difference but I follow 
the instructions. 

This is a great way to get a car looking really nice and is quite gratifying. 
Takes some time but it’s worth it. 

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] in good shape but with f**ked catalytic converter - 1999 E320 Wagon - $2, 000

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

$1000, gut the cats, change tranny fluid and just drive it. Looks pretty nice 
otherwise 

--FT
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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 1:38 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-07-19 13:34, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> "Has trouble between 1st/2nd gear, but can definitely get you from
>> point a to point b currently."
>> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1999-mercedes-class-320-wagon/7510564653.html
> 
> Translation: regular gas is cheaper, until it isn't.
> 2Matic, so is it Spring Perch season yet?
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[MBZ] my mother says it has to go - 1990 300E - $1,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Does not run"

Plates looks like they expired in '15, so probably hasn't run since then.

Might be good for some body panels, wheels, glass, etc if you needed them.

https://tippecanoe.craigslist.org/cto/d/delphi-1990-mercedes-benz-300e/7510853228.html
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Re: [MBZ] More on Tesla battery life

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Charged when parked"

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 4:09 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> They are only commenting on miles but not time. These batteries degrade 
> over time.
>
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://electrek.co/2021/08/12/tesla-claims-battery-packs-lose-only-capacity-20-miles/
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Re: [MBZ] More on Tesla battery life

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

They are only commenting on miles but not time. These batteries degrade over 
time.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

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https://www.justrite.com/storage-and-safety-cabinets/paint-storage-cabinets

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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 1:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m trying to find or come up with a metal cabinet for the garage where I 
> can store combustibles, like paint and other flammable items. One of the 
> “official” yellow cabinets would be nice, but they’re stupid expensive (for a 
> reason, I know.)
> 
> Anyone have suggestions for what might serve a similar purpose without having 
> to break the bank for an official combustibles cabinet? I’m guessing just a 
> plain metal cabinet would be ideal, but I’m open to suggestions.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Is there anything special about the screens?

I think there's an expanded-metal screen on the outside
near the top, vented through a channel inside the wall
to another screened port on the inside.  May or may not
be steel wool or other baffles in the channel.  The wall is
thick, and I believe filled with fireproof whatever.  Including
the doors.

There's a reason they're expensive.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/07/2022 3:31 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Flammables cabinets are vented too.  Carefully, through screens.
I bought mine when a company I worked for closed.  Cheap, IIRC.

-- Jim



Is there anything special about the screens?

Bronze?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s not a bad idea. The gun cabinet I currently have I got for cheap on 
Amazon warehouse because it had a ding in the back that was purely cosmetic. 
Hmm, I’ll go look.

Thanks!

-D

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Gun Cabinet?
> 
> 
> 
> On 19/07/2022 3:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Nope. They’re vented. Needs to be a sealed metal cabinet.
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestion, though.
>> 
>> I’ll likely settle for a “regular” steel cabinet of some sort, as the 
>> flammables-rated ones are few and far between, not to mention quite pricey, 
>> too.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> old high school lockers?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 3:12 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I need to find a deal like that, I want some steel cabinets to store stuff
 in the vast northern estate house. Steel keeps the mice out. We've got an
 old steel cabinet in the camp we keep sheets and blankets and whatnot in.
 
 -Curt
 
 
 On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 01:36:36 PM EDT, mitch--- via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2022-07-19 13:17, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=270&acctid=21052
> 
> Hunt around on there, lots of surplus metal cabinets. If you have a
> university nearby, check if they do surplus sales to the public. At
> Indiana University where I work, they sell stuff to the public but
> also list a lot of stuff on govdeals.
 When Owens-Illinois shut down their Charlotte plant, a couple of friends
 got kept on the payroll to help clean the place out. They bought some
 cabinets for themselves, with 3 more of the two door cabinets for my
 parents and I. I believe I paid $5 for my 12" file cabinets, $8 for the
 15" legal file cabinet, and $20-25 for the big steel cupboard.
 
 A qt of yellow Rustoleum and my brown cupboard could be a lot less ugly
 and a lot more weird looking. I mostly store oil and filters in it, so
 yellow wouldn't be totally out of place. The bottom area is big enough
 for 5 gallon pails of ATF and Hy-Tran under the bottom shelf.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Flammables cabinets are vented too.  Carefully, through screens.
I bought mine when a company I worked for closed.  Cheap, IIRC.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Gun Cabinet?



On 19/07/2022 3:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Nope. They’re vented. Needs to be a sealed metal cabinet.

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

I’ll likely settle for a “regular” steel cabinet of some sort, as the 
flammables-rated ones are few and far between, not to mention quite pricey, too.

-D


On Jul 19, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
wrote:

old high school lockers?

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 3:12 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I need to find a deal like that, I want some steel cabinets to store stuff
in the vast northern estate house. Steel keeps the mice out. We've got an
old steel cabinet in the camp we keep sheets and blankets and whatnot in.

-Curt


On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 01:36:36 PM EDT, mitch--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:





On 2022-07-19 13:17, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=270&acctid=21052

Hunt around on there, lots of surplus metal cabinets. If you have a
university nearby, check if they do surplus sales to the public. At
Indiana University where I work, they sell stuff to the public but
also list a lot of stuff on govdeals.

When Owens-Illinois shut down their Charlotte plant, a couple of friends
got kept on the payroll to help clean the place out. They bought some
cabinets for themselves, with 3 more of the two door cabinets for my
parents and I. I believe I paid $5 for my 12" file cabinets, $8 for the
15" legal file cabinet, and $20-25 for the big steel cupboard.

A qt of yellow Rustoleum and my brown cupboard could be a lot less ugly
and a lot more weird looking. I mostly store oil and filters in it, so
yellow wouldn't be totally out of place. The bottom area is big enough
for 5 gallon pails of ATF and Hy-Tran under the bottom shelf.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Nope. They’re vented. Needs to be a sealed metal cabinet.

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

I’ll likely settle for a “regular” steel cabinet of some sort, as the 
flammables-rated ones are few and far between, not to mention quite pricey, too.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> old high school lockers?
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 3:12 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I need to find a deal like that, I want some steel cabinets to store stuff
>> in the vast northern estate house. Steel keeps the mice out. We've got an
>> old steel cabinet in the camp we keep sheets and blankets and whatnot in.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 01:36:36 PM EDT, mitch--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2022-07-19 13:17, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=270&acctid=21052
>>> 
>>> Hunt around on there, lots of surplus metal cabinets. If you have a
>>> university nearby, check if they do surplus sales to the public. At
>>> Indiana University where I work, they sell stuff to the public but
>>> also list a lot of stuff on govdeals.
>> 
>> When Owens-Illinois shut down their Charlotte plant, a couple of friends
>> got kept on the payroll to help clean the place out. They bought some
>> cabinets for themselves, with 3 more of the two door cabinets for my
>> parents and I. I believe I paid $5 for my 12" file cabinets, $8 for the
>> 15" legal file cabinet, and $20-25 for the big steel cupboard.
>> 
>> A qt of yellow Rustoleum and my brown cupboard could be a lot less ugly
>> and a lot more weird looking. I mostly store oil and filters in it, so
>> yellow wouldn't be totally out of place. The bottom area is big enough
>> for 5 gallon pails of ATF and Hy-Tran under the bottom shelf.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

old high school lockers?

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 3:12 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I need to find a deal like that, I want some steel cabinets to store stuff
> in the vast northern estate house. Steel keeps the mice out. We've got an
> old steel cabinet in the camp we keep sheets and blankets and whatnot in.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 01:36:36 PM EDT, mitch--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2022-07-19 13:17, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=270&acctid=21052
> >
> > Hunt around on there, lots of surplus metal cabinets. If you have a
> > university nearby, check if they do surplus sales to the public. At
> > Indiana University where I work, they sell stuff to the public but
> > also list a lot of stuff on govdeals.
>
> When Owens-Illinois shut down their Charlotte plant, a couple of friends
> got kept on the payroll to help clean the place out. They bought some
> cabinets for themselves, with 3 more of the two door cabinets for my
> parents and I. I believe I paid $5 for my 12" file cabinets, $8 for the
> 15" legal file cabinet, and $20-25 for the big steel cupboard.
>
> A qt of yellow Rustoleum and my brown cupboard could be a lot less ugly
> and a lot more weird looking. I mostly store oil and filters in it, so
> yellow wouldn't be totally out of place. The bottom area is big enough
> for 5 gallon pails of ATF and Hy-Tran under the bottom shelf.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Electric car battery life

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was going to laugh at you, then I checked and the Sprinter starts at $40,000. 
That surprises me.

Tesla Model 3 starts at $45k these days. I don't forsee your van existing 
within those parameters. Maybe $60,000.

-Curt






On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 03:28:20 PM EDT, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Folks

I read this 
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a39713122/predicting-how-much-range-ev-batteries-lose-over-time/

2-3% a year

My daughter used to drive 2 Teslas … a leased S that they turned back in and 
still has a model 3 with get this … about 80k miles … batteries are great

Only maintenance has been tires…. A conventional 12v battery at three years 
that Tesla covered

I would seriously consider a sprinter sort of van that was electric if it cost 
40k and went 200 miles

Xx rick


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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Nope.

A good portion of them are, but I’m sure the total is less than half. They’re 
very expensive, require additional structural support due to their weight, and 
are expensive to maintain *if* you have any issues. And they’re not much 
better, if at all, when it comes to hurricanes.

The best possible roof choice in Florida is metal, but they’re not that popular 
in commodity style (suburban) homes, mainly because of the aesthetics. Figure 
tile or metal being twice the cost of an asphalt shingle roof as a ballpark.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aren't most Florida roofs spanish tile?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 2:13 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> A lot depends on the climate, too. Maybe where Randy lives they’ll last 
>> that long, but in Florida the average roof life is 20 years.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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[MBZ] More on Tesla battery life

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

https://electrek.co/2021/08/12/tesla-claims-battery-packs-lose-only-capacity-20-miles/
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[MBZ] Electric car battery life

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

I read this 
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a39713122/predicting-how-much-range-ev-batteries-lose-over-time/

2-3% a year

My daughter used to drive 2 Teslas … a leased S that they turned back in and 
still has a model 3 with get this … about 80k miles … batteries are great

Only maintenance has been tires…. A conventional 12v battery at three years 
that Tesla covered

I would seriously consider a sprinter sort of van that was electric if it cost 
40k and went 200 miles

Xx rick


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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Aren't most Florida roofs spanish tile?


On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 2:13 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> A lot depends on the climate, too. Maybe where Randy lives they’ll last 
> that long, but in Florida the average roof life is 20 years.
>
> -D
>

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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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Doubt it, if I have my way we'll be moving to the great northern estate inside 
of 10 years. Even if that doesn't happen this isn't our forever house.

At some point in the next 20 or so years I expect to be responsible for, if not 
own outright 4 houses. Ours in MA, the great northern estate, my parents place 
and Angie's parents place.

Her parents place will be a quick flip, she hates the place. My parent's house 
could be worth substantial money but it will need a bunch of work. At the very 
least disposing of all their stuff will be a substantial job.

-Curt

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 02:10:11 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis 
 wrote: 





Roof shingles today will not last 40 years, regardless of what the warranty 
claims are. 20 years at best so it might be your problem!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The architectural shingles on our roof have a 40 year warranty. Definitely 
> will be somebody else's problem.
> 
> As I understand it the feet of the PV mounts slip up under the shingles. The 
> mounts are pretty standardized at this point which has helped reduce costs of 
> installation. The people across the street got an array last year, the 
> installers worked in a snowstorm to put on the racks, then populated the next 
> day.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:25:36 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> I have always wondered how the panels get attached to your roof without 
> damaging the roof and how much more it will cost when you need to 
> replace the roof and the panels have to be removed and re-installed. I 
> guess if you are old enough, it will be someone else's problem. A roof 
> should last 25 years. Maybe the panels won't last that long.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
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A lot depends on the climate, too. Maybe where Randy lives they’ll last that 
long, but in Florida the average roof life is 20 years.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Roof shingles today will not last 40 years, regardless of what the warranty 
> claims are. 20 years at best so it might be your problem!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The architectural shingles on our roof have a 40 year warranty. Definitely 
>> will be somebody else's problem.
>> 
>> As I understand it the feet of the PV mounts slip up under the shingles. The 
>> mounts are pretty standardized at this point which has helped reduce costs 
>> of installation. The people across the street got an array last year, the 
>> installers worked in a snowstorm to put on the racks, then populated the 
>> next day.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:25:36 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> I have always wondered how the panels get attached to your roof without 
>> damaging the roof and how much more it will cost when you need to 
>> replace the roof and the panels have to be removed and re-installed. I 
>> guess if you are old enough, it will be someone else's problem. A roof 
>> should last 25 years. Maybe the panels won't last that long.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I need to find a deal like that, I want some steel cabinets to store stuff in 
the vast northern estate house. Steel keeps the mice out. We've got an old 
steel cabinet in the camp we keep sheets and blankets and whatnot in.

-Curt


On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 01:36:36 PM EDT, mitch--- via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





On 2022-07-19 13:17, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=270&acctid=21052
> 
> Hunt around on there, lots of surplus metal cabinets. If you have a
> university nearby, check if they do surplus sales to the public. At
> Indiana University where I work, they sell stuff to the public but
> also list a lot of stuff on govdeals.

When Owens-Illinois shut down their Charlotte plant, a couple of friends 
got kept on the payroll to help clean the place out. They bought some 
cabinets for themselves, with 3 more of the two door cabinets for my 
parents and I. I believe I paid $5 for my 12" file cabinets, $8 for the 
15" legal file cabinet, and $20-25 for the big steel cupboard.

A qt of yellow Rustoleum and my brown cupboard could be a lot less ugly 
and a lot more weird looking. I mostly store oil and filters in it, so 
yellow wouldn't be totally out of place. The bottom area is big enough 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

NAU is right down the street, and i watch their surplus department shop daily. 
They’ve got an online presence, so stuff gets posted when available. They use 
govdeals.com, too, but mainly for big stuff. Last week it 
was grand pianos and some 3 axis milling machines.

-D

On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=270&acctid=21052

Hunt around on there, lots of surplus metal cabinets. If you have a university 
nearby, check if they do surplus sales to the public. At Indiana University 
where I work, they sell stuff to the public but also list a lot of stuff on 
govdeals.


On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
I’m trying to find or come up with a metal cabinet for the garage where
I can store combustibles, like paint and other flammable items. One of
the “official” yellow cabinets would be nice, but they’re stupid
expensive (for a reason, I know.)

Anyone have suggestions for what might serve a similar purpose without
having to break the bank for an official combustibles cabinet? I’m
guessing just a plain metal cabinet would be ideal, but I’m open to
suggestions.

-D
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[MBZ] wooopsie 2007 Mercedes-Benz s-class,$4,500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

What did it impale itself on, or what speared it?  Looks like it might 
be rebuildable


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/716597379447363

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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Roof shingles today will not last 40 years, regardless of what the warranty 
claims are. 20 years at best so it might be your problem!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The architectural shingles on our roof have a 40 year warranty. Definitely 
> will be somebody else's problem.
> 
> As I understand it the feet of the PV mounts slip up under the shingles. The 
> mounts are pretty standardized at this point which has helped reduce costs of 
> installation. The people across the street got an array last year, the 
> installers worked in a snowstorm to put on the racks, then populated the next 
> day.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:25:36 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> I have always wondered how the panels get attached to your roof without 
> damaging the roof and how much more it will cost when you need to 
> replace the roof and the panels have to be removed and re-installed. I 
> guess if you are old enough, it will be someone else's problem. A roof 
> should last 25 years. Maybe the panels won't last that long.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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On 2022-07-19 13:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:


I thought the cars had a display (or a way to display) the battery
capacity, and/or number of "full charge cycles" which will also tell
you something about how the battery has been treated. Maybe not all of
them do


That's a free estimate of the overall condition.
I know that on a ten year old Leaf you can tell the rough capacity loss 
by turning on the 'ignition' and looking at the battery gauge in the 
instrument panel. There's a 12 bar display, for both current state and 
total capacity, 8.3% per bar.


Individual cell numbers, comparable to testing compression in all 
cylinders of an IC engine, that'll take a diagnostic tool and some time.


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[MBZ] 2002 E430 - 100k miles - $7,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks to be in nice shape. At least the interior isn't gray.

20 year old car, but if it has all records and is really nice, maybe not crazy?

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/murfreesboro-2002-mercedes-e430/7510541037.html

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Re: [MBZ] in good shape but with f**ked catalytic converter - 1999 E320 Wagon - $2, 000

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On 2022-07-19 13:34, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

"Has trouble between 1st/2nd gear, but can definitely get you from
point a to point b currently."

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1999-mercedes-class-320-wagon/7510564653.html


Translation: regular gas is cheaper, until it isn't.
2Matic, so is it Spring Perch season yet?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

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On 2022-07-19 13:17, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=270&acctid=21052

Hunt around on there, lots of surplus metal cabinets. If you have a
university nearby, check if they do surplus sales to the public. At
Indiana University where I work, they sell stuff to the public but
also list a lot of stuff on govdeals.


When Owens-Illinois shut down their Charlotte plant, a couple of friends 
got kept on the payroll to help clean the place out. They bought some 
cabinets for themselves, with 3 more of the two door cabinets for my 
parents and I. I believe I paid $5 for my 12" file cabinets, $8 for the 
15" legal file cabinet, and $20-25 for the big steel cupboard.


A qt of yellow Rustoleum and my brown cupboard could be a lot less ugly 
and a lot more weird looking. I mostly store oil and filters in it, so 
yellow wouldn't be totally out of place. The bottom area is big enough 
for 5 gallon pails of ATF and Hy-Tran under the bottom shelf.


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[MBZ] in good shape but with f**ked catalytic converter - 1999 E320 Wagon - $2, 000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Has trouble between 1st/2nd gear, but can definitely get you from point a to 
point b currently."

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1999-mercedes-class-320-wagon/7510564653.html
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

True.  6 yo Tesla has lost 25% of its battery range.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:32 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 12:24 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > The equivalent of a compression check would be a battery capacity test.
> > It takes a while, requires a tech with some training on the EV software,
> > and probably costs you multiple hundreds of dollars.
> > I'm guessing $200-400 in a world where my local MBZ dealer wants $122
> > just to plug in the SDS and clear my transmission codes.
>
> I thought the cars had a display (or a way to display) the battery
> capacity, and/or number of "full charge cycles" which will also tell you
> something about how the battery has been treated. Maybe not all of them
> do
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 12:24 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

> The equivalent of a compression check would be a battery capacity test.
> It takes a while, requires a tech with some training on the EV software, 
> and probably costs you multiple hundreds of dollars.
> I'm guessing $200-400 in a world where my local MBZ dealer wants $122 
> just to plug in the SDS and clear my transmission codes.

I thought the cars had a display (or a way to display) the battery capacity, 
and/or number of "full charge cycles" which will also tell you something about 
how the battery has been treated. Maybe not all of them do

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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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On 2022-07-19 12:24, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
This is a no brainer.  The panels are already powering the house and 
then
some.  I would spend no more for the EV than I would for a gas powered 
car,
and would drive it no more than 6k miles/year.  Not sure about 
maintenance

costs or resale value.


Maintenance costs are near zero until you need 
tires/brakes/suspension/batteries.
Brakes: corrosion will get them in Michigan long before wear does, 
regenerative braking can nearly eliminate brake wear if you don't drive 
like a fool.
Batteries: if you drive 6kmi per year, annual deterioration is going to 
be right up there with annual fuel costs for a gas/diesel vehicle.


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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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On 2022-07-19 12:26, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


4. Unlike Internal Combustion powered cars, where the tech can do
compression checks, oil lab tests, etc, and gain a reasonable picture 
of
the remaining service life of various components, the tech level does 
not
yet exist, with supporting tools, to do a proper due diligence 
independent

inspection of an EV..


The equivalent of a compression check would be a battery capacity test.
It takes a while, requires a tech with some training on the EV software, 
and probably costs you multiple hundreds of dollars.
I'm guessing $200-400 in a world where my local MBZ dealer wants $122 
just to plug in the SDS and clear my transmission codes.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

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https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=270&acctid=21052

Hunt around on there, lots of surplus metal cabinets. If you have a university 
nearby, check if they do surplus sales to the public. At Indiana University 
where I work, they sell stuff to the public but also list a lot of stuff on 
govdeals.


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> I’m trying to find or come up with a metal cabinet for the garage where 
> I can store combustibles, like paint and other flammable items. One of 
> the “official” yellow cabinets would be nice, but they’re stupid 
> expensive (for a reason, I know.)
>
> Anyone have suggestions for what might serve a similar purpose without 
> having to break the bank for an official combustibles cabinet? I’m 
> guessing just a plain metal cabinet would be ideal, but I’m open to 
> suggestions.
>
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[MBZ] OT - Combustibles Cabinet

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I’m trying to find or come up with a metal cabinet for the garage where I can 
store combustibles, like paint and other flammable items. One of the “official” 
yellow cabinets would be nice, but they’re stupid expensive (for a reason, I 
know.)

Anyone have suggestions for what might serve a similar purpose without having 
to break the bank for an official combustibles cabinet? I’m guessing just a 
plain metal cabinet would be ideal, but I’m open to suggestions.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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Documented 4.3% over the last 8 years in my area. That’s what a solar system 
adds in value to homes around here. That more than covers the cost, if it 
mattered.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And this will add resale value when or if you sell.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 12:35 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The architectural shingles on our roof have a 40 year warranty. Definitely
>> will be somebody else's problem.
>> 
>> As I understand it the feet of the PV mounts slip up under the shingles.
>> The mounts are pretty standardized at this point which has helped reduce
>> costs of installation. The people across the street got an array last year,
>> the installers worked in a snowstorm to put on the racks, then populated
>> the next day.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:25:36 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have always wondered how the panels get attached to your roof without
>> damaging the roof and how much more it will cost when you need to
>> replace the roof and the panels have to be removed and re-installed. I
>> guess if you are old enough, it will be someone else's problem. A roof
>> should last 25 years. Maybe the panels won't last that long.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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And this will add resale value when or if you sell.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 12:35 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The architectural shingles on our roof have a 40 year warranty. Definitely
> will be somebody else's problem.
>
> As I understand it the feet of the PV mounts slip up under the shingles.
> The mounts are pretty standardized at this point which has helped reduce
> costs of installation. The people across the street got an array last year,
> the installers worked in a snowstorm to put on the racks, then populated
> the next day.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:25:36 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have always wondered how the panels get attached to your roof without
> damaging the roof and how much more it will cost when you need to
> replace the roof and the panels have to be removed and re-installed. I
> guess if you are old enough, it will be someone else's problem. A roof
> should last 25 years. Maybe the panels won't last that long.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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The architectural shingles on our roof have a 40 year warranty. Definitely will 
be somebody else's problem.

As I understand it the feet of the PV mounts slip up under the shingles. The 
mounts are pretty standardized at this point which has helped reduce costs of 
installation. The people across the street got an array last year, the 
installers worked in a snowstorm to put on the racks, then populated the next 
day.

-Curt


On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:25:36 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


I have always wondered how the panels get attached to your roof without 
damaging the roof and how much more it will cost when you need to 
replace the roof and the panels have to be removed and re-installed. I 
guess if you are old enough, it will be someone else's problem. A roof 
should last 25 years. Maybe the panels won't last that long.

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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I replaced the back roof before installing the panels.  They are simple to
detach in any case.  For the front array, in 6 years there has never been
any problem affecting the roof.  In fact, since the panels shade the
shingles that ought to increase life span.

 Solar installers are not in short supply although there is a learning
curve with any new technology.  As solar installations grow, so will the
labor supply.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 12:27 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Doing a proper pre-buy due diligence inspection on any EV in the present
> "used market" is impossible, as a reality. Here are a few of the reasons.
> 1. Lack of available properly trained and available techs.
> 2. Lack of available testing equipment that tests actual operational values
> at the component level.
> 3. Lack of replacement parts in the EV supply chain, as in this case, where
> there is NO replacement battery to be purchased, at any price.
> 4. Unlike Internal Combustion powered cars, where the tech can do
> compression checks, oil lab tests, etc, and gain a reasonable picture of
> the remaining service life of various components, the tech level does not
> yet exist, with supporting tools, to do a proper due diligence independent
> inspection of an EV..  EV dealerships and factories have their own supply
> chain issues and rules for factory support of cars sold, then resold. Many
> which are not "Used Buyer Friendly".. Tesla, I understand, simply black
> lists cars they do not wish to continue to support and refuses to sell
> parts for that serial number, ever.. such as trying to rebuild a wrecked
> Tesla...
> Imagine if the Model T sales had been handled in that way. Would Ford have
> sold millions of  Model T's?
> EV's have a long way to travel to reach consumer confidence, IMHO.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 5:22 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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Got my quotes on Friday, waiting for the hard copies today.

Roughly $23k to do the panels on my garage, ROI in slightly more than 7 years. 
$3k of that is the cost for trenching and cabling to the house where the meter 
is located. If I did it on the main house it would be cheaper, but there’s a 
high probability that we’ll be doing some renovation in the future that will 
affect the house and could change the roofline, hence the idea of using the 
garage - plus the garage has better exposure. Based on current APS rates it 
should cover our power needs at least 9 months out of the year if not more. If 
I clear a few trees I’ll get another 10-12% out of the array, and could even 
possibly add a few more panels. The array uses microinverter panels, too, which 
is nice. Being a member of the coop also pushes the warranty out to 30 years, 
normally 25.

I need a new roof, too, so that means I can wrap that into the work and get the 
26% tax credit on the roof installation, too.

AZ does a KWH credit rather than net metering. They review it every September. 
Right now it’s $0.10 and change per KWH, and that’s locked in for the life of 
the system. If I commit before the 1st of September I’ll get that amount.

Mrs. Dan is the number cruncher, so I’ve got to have her review the proposals 
and see what she thinks. If it looks good, then we’ll  likely go forward with 
it.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a pretty decent net meter deal in MD with Pepco.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:56 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> Depends on how much electricity you're creating. If your solar array is
>> making way more than you use then I agree.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:54:52 AM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I will be getting my solar EV charger hookup in September, after which it
>> would be dumb not to own an EV.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> They bought a 9 year old EV and are shocked it needed a battery...
>>> 
>>> I'm pro EV but that's just dumb.
>>> 
>>> It's worse because it's a 2014, that's a very early model, I bet they
>> didn't sell very many...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 08:26:53 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this
>> when making a $10,000+ purchase?
>>> 
>>> I would.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
>> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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Doing a proper pre-buy due diligence inspection on any EV in the present
"used market" is impossible, as a reality. Here are a few of the reasons.
1. Lack of available properly trained and available techs.
2. Lack of available testing equipment that tests actual operational values
at the component level.
3. Lack of replacement parts in the EV supply chain, as in this case, where
there is NO replacement battery to be purchased, at any price.
4. Unlike Internal Combustion powered cars, where the tech can do
compression checks, oil lab tests, etc, and gain a reasonable picture of
the remaining service life of various components, the tech level does not
yet exist, with supporting tools, to do a proper due diligence independent
inspection of an EV..  EV dealerships and factories have their own supply
chain issues and rules for factory support of cars sold, then resold. Many
which are not "Used Buyer Friendly".. Tesla, I understand, simply black
lists cars they do not wish to continue to support and refuses to sell
parts for that serial number, ever.. such as trying to rebuild a wrecked
Tesla...
Imagine if the Model T sales had been handled in that way. Would Ford have
sold millions of  Model T's?
EV's have a long way to travel to reach consumer confidence, IMHO.



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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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On 19/07/2022 11:17 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

There are many other factors. How much do you drive? What is the payback time for the 
"free" solar power to offset fuel costs of your current vehicle? What is the 
opportunity cost (what else could you do with the money other than buy an EV)? What are 
the differences in registration and insurance and financing (if any) costs?

Basically you have to look at total cost of ownership of the solar array, EV 
charging apparatus, and the EV itself compared to the total cost of ownership 
of the vehicle the EV is replacing.


I have always wondered how the panels get attached to your roof without 
damaging the roof and how much more it will cost when you need to 
replace the roof and the panels have to be removed and re-installed. I 
guess if you are old enough, it will be someone else's problem. A roof 
should last 25 years. Maybe the panels won't last that long.


Randy


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This is a no brainer.  The panels are already powering the house and then
some.  I would spend no more for the EV than I would for a gas powered car,
and would drive it no more than 6k miles/year.  Not sure about maintenance
costs or resale value.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 12:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There are many other factors. How much do you drive? What is the payback
> time for the "free" solar power to offset fuel costs of your current
> vehicle? What is the opportunity cost (what else could you do with the
> money other than buy an EV)? What are the differences in registration and
> insurance and financing (if any) costs?
>
> Basically you have to look at total cost of ownership of the solar array,
> EV charging apparatus, and the EV itself compared to the total cost of
> ownership of the vehicle the EV is replacing.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Depends on how much electricity you're creating. If your solar array is
> > making way more than you use then I agree.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:54:52 AM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I will be getting my solar EV charger hookup in September, after which
> > it would be dumb not to own an EV.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >> They bought a 9 year old EV and are shocked it needed a battery...
> >>
> >> I'm pro EV but that's just dumb.
> >>
> >> It's worse because it's a 2014, that's a very early model, I bet they
> didn't sell very many...
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 08:26:53 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >>
> >> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this
> when making a $10,000+ purchase?
> >>
> >> I would.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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There are many other factors. How much do you drive? What is the payback time 
for the "free" solar power to offset fuel costs of your current vehicle? What 
is the opportunity cost (what else could you do with the money other than buy 
an EV)? What are the differences in registration and insurance and financing 
(if any) costs?

Basically you have to look at total cost of ownership of the solar array, EV 
charging apparatus, and the EV itself compared to the total cost of ownership 
of the vehicle the EV is replacing.


On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Depends on how much electricity you're creating. If your solar array is 
> making way more than you use then I agree.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:54:52 AM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel 
>  wrote: 
>
> I will be getting my solar EV charger hookup in September, after which 
> it would be dumb not to own an EV.
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> They bought a 9 year old EV and are shocked it needed a battery...
>> 
>> I'm pro EV but that's just dumb.
>> 
>> It's worse because it's a 2014, that's a very early model, I bet they didn't 
>> sell very many...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 08:26:53 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this when 
>> making a $10,000+ purchase?
>> 
>> I would.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We have a pretty decent net meter deal in MD with Pepco.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:56 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Depends on how much electricity you're creating. If your solar array is
> making way more than you use then I agree.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:54:52 AM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel <
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>
> I will be getting my solar EV charger hookup in September, after which it
> would be dumb not to own an EV.
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > They bought a 9 year old EV and are shocked it needed a battery...
> >
> > I'm pro EV but that's just dumb.
> >
> > It's worse because it's a 2014, that's a very early model, I bet they
> didn't sell very many...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 08:26:53 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via
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> >
> > It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this
> when making a $10,000+ purchase?
> >
> > I would.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Depends on how much electricity you're creating. If your solar array is making 
way more than you use then I agree.

-Curt

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:54:52 AM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote: 

I will be getting my solar EV charger hookup in September, after which it would 
be dumb not to own an EV.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
> They bought a 9 year old EV and are shocked it needed a battery...
> 
> I'm pro EV but that's just dumb.
> 
> It's worse because it's a 2014, that's a very early model, I bet they didn't 
> sell very many...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 08:26:53 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this when 
> making a $10,000+ purchase?
> 
> I would.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I will be getting my solar EV charger hookup in September, after which it
would be dumb not to own an EV.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They bought a 9 year old EV and are shocked it needed a battery...
>
> I'm pro EV but that's just dumb.
>
> It's worse because it's a 2014, that's a very early model, I bet they
> didn't sell very many...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 08:26:53 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this
> when making a $10,000+ purchase?
>
> I would.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

They bought a 9 year old EV and are shocked it needed a battery...

I'm pro EV but that's just dumb.

It's worse because it's a 2014, that's a very early model, I bet they didn't 
sell very many...

-Curt

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 08:26:53 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 

It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this when 
making a $10,000+ purchase?

I would.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Girl child's 08E350

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Loaner cars are standard for any EuroMotorcars (dealer) repair, even if
just for a day.  They do charge you for gas if it's returned with less than
when issued, however.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:12 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> The stealer in Durham has the car and will repair under the extended
> fuel system warranty.  They called her this morning and said the
> earliest they would be able to get it fixed is mid to late next week due
> to parts and staffing issues.  I told her to call them and ask for a
> loaner since she is visiting and this creates a hardship getting back
> home, so she was going to do that.  She has her mother's ML to drive but
> I figured get Benz to deal with it, maybe get a new cheep-klasse to
> drive or something.
>
> This is crazy.
>
>
> On 7/18/22 5:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > it is covered by the extended warranty, so they
> > were having it shipped off to the MB stealer, wherever it is.
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Re: [MBZ] Girl child's 08E350

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The stealer in Durham has the car and will repair under the extended 
fuel system warranty.  They called her this morning and said the 
earliest they would be able to get it fixed is mid to late next week due 
to parts and staffing issues.  I told her to call them and ask for a 
loaner since she is visiting and this creates a hardship getting back 
home, so she was going to do that.  She has her mother's ML to drive but 
I figured get Benz to deal with it, maybe get a new cheep-klasse to 
drive or something.


This is crazy.


On 7/18/22 5:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

it is covered by the extended warranty, so they
were having it shipped off to the MB stealer, wherever it is.


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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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On 2022-07-19 10:04, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

I am pretty sure the Ford Focus EV was only sold in California and
maybe Washington. How one ended up in Florida I don't know. They have
a fairly low range; it almost certainly was not driven there.


First you had to sell in CA, then by 2015 you had to sell in OR and MD 
(or buy credits from Tesla).

At the time, the real EVs were Tesla S and Y and Datsun Leaf.
I think the Focus had a little better EV range than a Volt, but the Volt 
also had a ten gallon gas tank. I don't recall anything having 80+ mile 
published range other than Tesla/Leaf/Spark in those days. And of course 
if you ran it near the published range every day you'd destroy the 
battery in short order. I wouldn't have considered doing a 74 mile 
commute in a 82 mile Spark if I didn't have the ability to charge near 
my workplace.


The others were just stuffing electric motors in existing economy cars, 
and only GM's Spark had a decent powertrain design (hampered by 3.3kW 
level 2 charging, but most of the  2015-2016 models had the optional 
$800 level 3 socket). GM's Spark was the beta test model for the Bolt, 
which was quite advanced for 2017.


As a result, the Leaf was a decent transportation appliance with every 
piece built to work with every other piece. The Spark was a better EV 
than the Leaf, but as a complete car not as nice as a Leaf, and 
everything else from that era is not worth having in my opinion.


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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I am pretty sure the Ford Focus EV was only sold in California and maybe 
Washington. How one ended up in Florida I don't know. They have a fairly low 
range; it almost certainly was not driven there.


On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 8:59 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Agreed. But the availability of such a major and critical component had 
> to be known at the time. The supply chain for batteries for this model 
> didn’t suddenly stop one day, it had to be known that they either 
> weren’t available or the stock was nearly exhausted. It was just a 
> matter of doing some research. If I was considering an EV for purchase, 
> I would certainly be checking out the availability and/or repairability 
> of the battery.
>
> I’ve seen a few DIY articles and videos about repairing battery packs 
> on Prius’, for example, so I know there’s a possibility for repair or 
> refurbishment on them. For a car that’s nearly 10 years old like this 
> Ford I’m sure there’s plenty of information out there on the batteries 
> - this certainly isn’t the first one to fail and not be replaced.
>
> I had a bean counter friend who bought one of the early Prius’. They 
> drove it until the battery pack was ready to puke, then were unhappy 
> that the trade in value was in the basement as a result. It thoroughly 
> blew his numbers out that he expected. They bought an E-Class vergasser 
> after that and swore they would never own an EV again.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There was nothing wrong with the car when they bought it and when the 
>> problem surfaced 6 months later, it was unrepairable. This is unacceptable 
>> for an 8 yr old car built by a major manufacturer. Problems like this will 
>> continue to happen with EVs. That’s what happens when cars are 
>> disposable.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this 
>>> when making a $10,000+ purchase?
>>> 
>>> I would.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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  wrote:
 
 https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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The original Prius had a bazillion garden variety NiMH cells available 
from any number of places, even Amazon.com.


Fixing it differed only in quantity from testing and replacing 
individual cells in a NiCad or NiMH cordless drill.


Things get a little more complicated with a big Lithium battery, but 
there should be ways IF you can procure matching cells. I know that in 
GDS you could computer map the individual cells' performance in a 
Volt/Spark/Bolt, but I don't know if it would tell you where cell number 
387 was. The factory method of dealing with it was to install an entire 
new battery.


Clearly the solution to a low volume car like a Focus, Fit, or 500 is to 
seek out aftermarket rebuilders using cells from scrap cars if there is 
no reasonably priced factory support.


And a big part of the solution is to not abuse the battery in the first 
place. Don't charge it fully if you aren't going to drive it in the next 
hour or two, don't let it run down below 20%, and try not to let it get 
hot. Buying it as a first car for a teenager is as bad as giving the kid 
a phone with a permanent battery. Expect it to get run dead on a daily 
basis, and in a few months it'll become nearly useless.


On 2022-07-19 08:59, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:


I’ve seen a few DIY articles and videos about repairing battery packs
on Prius’, for example, so I know there’s a possibility for repair or
refurbishment on them. For a car that’s nearly 10 years old like this
Ford I’m sure there’s plenty of information out there on the batteries
- this certainly isn’t the first one to fail and not be replaced.


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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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I’ll wait until the D class comes out, 

Larger batteries are easier to handle! Hahaha!Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:05 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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> https://vimeo.com/481367023
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>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 8:00 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Agreed. But the availability of such a major and critical component had to
>> be known at the time. The supply chain for batteries for this model didn’t
>> suddenly stop one day, it had to be known that they either weren’t
>> available or the stock was nearly exhausted. It was just a matter of doing
>> some research. If I was considering an EV for purchase, I would certainly
>> be checking out the availability and/or repairability of the battery.
>> 
>> I’ve seen a few DIY articles and videos about repairing battery packs on
>> Prius’, for example, so I know there’s a possibility for repair or
>> refurbishment on them. For a car that’s nearly 10 years old like this Ford
>> I’m sure there’s plenty of information out there on the batteries - this
>> certainly isn’t the first one to fail and not be replaced.
>> 
>> I had a bean counter friend who bought one of the early Prius’. They drove
>> it until the battery pack was ready to puke, then were unhappy that the
>> trade in value was in the basement as a result. It thoroughly blew his
>> numbers out that he expected. They bought an E-Class vergasser after that
>> and swore they would never own an EV again.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There was nothing wrong with the car when they bought it and when the
>> problem surfaced 6 months later, it was unrepairable. This is unacceptable
>> for an 8 yr old car built by a major manufacturer. Problems like this will
>> continue to happen with EVs. That’s what happens when cars are
>> disposable.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this
>> when making a $10,000+ purchase?
 
 I would.
 
 -D
 
> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
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Re: [MBZ] vehicle rides good with the rims. not selling rims separate! 2002 ml320 (excellent condition) - $5, 000 (Cary)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

we have nothing to talk about.

On 7/19/22 9:44 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

You think they would consider selling the rims separately?

-D


On Jul 19, 2022, at 6:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

I think someone is on the pipe

NO TRADES!! READ CAREFULLY!! SALAVGE TITLE!
2002 Benz ml320 35,000 ORIGINAL MILES. NO Mechanical issues meaning, it runs 
and drives like new, comes with 24 inch rims that are very well taken care of. 
not selling rims separate. The tires are 2 months old on the rims. I have all 
the center caps for the rims. The vehicle cleans up very well. Have minor 
scratches but nothing crazy. The vehicle has the light up Benz sign on the 
front that comes on with the lights. the lights are clean and clear like new. 
windows and sun roof works very good. interior is in good condition considering 
the age nothing major. It has remote start on the vehicle so you can cool the 
vehicle off in the summer and have it hot in the winter. vehicle rides good 
with the rims. not selling rims separate! I have the title for it. have to get 
rid of my toys so I can move. we have nothing to talk about. I have too much 
money in the car to give it away. Bring your mechanic if you want. no test 
drives without a deposit of half ($2500) no exceptions CASH ONLY. I don't 
need help selling my car, im good.

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-2002-ml320-excellent-condition/7510293990.html

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Re: [MBZ] vehicle rides good with the rims. not selling rims separate! 2002 ml320 (excellent condition) - $5, 000 (Cary)

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You think they would consider selling the rims separately?

-D

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 6:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think someone is on the pipe
> 
> NO TRADES!! READ CAREFULLY!! SALAVGE TITLE!
> 2002 Benz ml320 35,000 ORIGINAL MILES. NO Mechanical issues meaning, it runs 
> and drives like new, comes with 24 inch rims that are very well taken care 
> of. not selling rims separate. The tires are 2 months old on the rims. I have 
> all the center caps for the rims. The vehicle cleans up very well. Have minor 
> scratches but nothing crazy. The vehicle has the light up Benz sign on the 
> front that comes on with the lights. the lights are clean and clear like new. 
> windows and sun roof works very good. interior is in good condition 
> considering the age nothing major. It has remote start on the vehicle so you 
> can cool the vehicle off in the summer and have it hot in the winter. vehicle 
> rides good with the rims. not selling rims separate! I have the title for it. 
> have to get rid of my toys so I can move. we have nothing to talk about. I 
> have too much money in the car to give it away. Bring your mechanic if you 
> want. no test drives without a deposit of half ($2500) no exceptions CASH 
> ONLY. I don't need help selling my car, im good.
> 
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-2002-ml320-excellent-condition/7510293990.html
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[MBZ] vehicle rides good with the rims. not selling rims separate! 2002 ml320 (excellent condition) - $5, 000 (Cary)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think someone is on the pipe

NO TRADES!! READ CAREFULLY!! SALAVGE TITLE!
2002 Benz ml320 35,000 ORIGINAL MILES. NO Mechanical issues meaning, it 
runs and drives like new, comes with 24 inch rims that are very well 
taken care of. not selling rims separate. The tires are 2 months old on 
the rims. I have all the center caps for the rims. The vehicle cleans up 
very well. Have minor scratches but nothing crazy. The vehicle has the 
light up Benz sign on the front that comes on with the lights. the 
lights are clean and clear like new. windows and sun roof works very 
good. interior is in good condition considering the age nothing major. 
It has remote start on the vehicle so you can cool the vehicle off in 
the summer and have it hot in the winter. vehicle rides good with the 
rims. not selling rims separate! I have the title for it. have to get 
rid of my toys so I can move. we have nothing to talk about. I have too 
much money in the car to give it away. Bring your mechanic if you want. 
no test drives without a deposit of half ($2500) no exceptions CASH 
ONLY. I don't need help selling my car, im good.


https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-2002-ml320-excellent-condition/7510293990.html

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Re: [MBZ] rare v-8 ML 500 with all wheel drive and 20" chrome wheels You repair . 2006 MERCEDES ML-500 - $2, 900 (Maiden)

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Bad news. That combination of lights means a whole lotta hurt when it comes to 
repairs. That’s on top of all the other stuff.

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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 6:35 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Buy this turd
> 
> no check engine light, but it does have abs, esp messages in the dash display.
> cracked windshield, a/c not working.
> 
> https://hickory.craigslist.org/ctd/d/maiden-2006-mercedes-ml-500/7510627584.html
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[MBZ] Great mecedes for sale - $7,950 (Jacksonville)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I took pics with my phone of pics on the computer and put them in this 
post on the computer


This car was my baby. She treated me well. Drive good .and trany shift 
great. Ac very cold heat works well. Will take trade. Or something of 
equal value.


https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-great-mecedes-for-sale/7510546785.html

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[MBZ] rare v-8 ML 500 with all wheel drive and 20" chrome wheels You repair . 2006 MERCEDES ML-500 - $2, 900 (Maiden)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Buy this turd

no check engine light, but it does have abs, esp messages in the dash 
display.

cracked windshield, a/c not working.

https://hickory.craigslist.org/ctd/d/maiden-2006-mercedes-ml-500/7510627584.html

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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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LMAO!

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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:05 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://vimeo.com/481367023
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 8:00 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Agreed. But the availability of such a major and critical component had to
>> be known at the time. The supply chain for batteries for this model didn’t
>> suddenly stop one day, it had to be known that they either weren’t
>> available or the stock was nearly exhausted. It was just a matter of doing
>> some research. If I was considering an EV for purchase, I would certainly
>> be checking out the availability and/or repairability of the battery.
>> 
>> I’ve seen a few DIY articles and videos about repairing battery packs on
>> Prius’, for example, so I know there’s a possibility for repair or
>> refurbishment on them. For a car that’s nearly 10 years old like this Ford
>> I’m sure there’s plenty of information out there on the batteries - this
>> certainly isn’t the first one to fail and not be replaced.
>> 
>> I had a bean counter friend who bought one of the early Prius’. They drove
>> it until the battery pack was ready to puke, then were unhappy that the
>> trade in value was in the basement as a result. It thoroughly blew his
>> numbers out that he expected. They bought an E-Class vergasser after that
>> and swore they would never own an EV again.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There was nothing wrong with the car when they bought it and when the
>> problem surfaced 6 months later, it was unrepairable. This is unacceptable
>> for an 8 yr old car built by a major manufacturer. Problems like this will
>> continue to happen with EVs. That’s what happens when cars are
>> disposable.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this
>> when making a $10,000+ purchase?
 
 I would.
 
 -D
 
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> 
>> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

https://vimeo.com/481367023

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 8:00 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Agreed. But the availability of such a major and critical component had to
> be known at the time. The supply chain for batteries for this model didn’t
> suddenly stop one day, it had to be known that they either weren’t
> available or the stock was nearly exhausted. It was just a matter of doing
> some research. If I was considering an EV for purchase, I would certainly
> be checking out the availability and/or repairability of the battery.
>
> I’ve seen a few DIY articles and videos about repairing battery packs on
> Prius’, for example, so I know there’s a possibility for repair or
> refurbishment on them. For a car that’s nearly 10 years old like this Ford
> I’m sure there’s plenty of information out there on the batteries - this
> certainly isn’t the first one to fail and not be replaced.
>
> I had a bean counter friend who bought one of the early Prius’. They drove
> it until the battery pack was ready to puke, then were unhappy that the
> trade in value was in the basement as a result. It thoroughly blew his
> numbers out that he expected. They bought an E-Class vergasser after that
> and swore they would never own an EV again.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > There was nothing wrong with the car when they bought it and when the
> problem surfaced 6 months later, it was unrepairable. This is unacceptable
> for an 8 yr old car built by a major manufacturer. Problems like this will
> continue to happen with EVs. That’s what happens when cars are
> disposable.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this
> when making a $10,000+ purchase?
> >>
> >> I would.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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Agreed. But the availability of such a major and critical component had to be 
known at the time. The supply chain for batteries for this model didn’t 
suddenly stop one day, it had to be known that they either weren’t available or 
the stock was nearly exhausted. It was just a matter of doing some research. If 
I was considering an EV for purchase, I would certainly be checking out the 
availability and/or repairability of the battery.

I’ve seen a few DIY articles and videos about repairing battery packs on 
Prius’, for example, so I know there’s a possibility for repair or 
refurbishment on them. For a car that’s nearly 10 years old like this Ford I’m 
sure there’s plenty of information out there on the batteries - this certainly 
isn’t the first one to fail and not be replaced.

I had a bean counter friend who bought one of the early Prius’. They drove it 
until the battery pack was ready to puke, then were unhappy that the trade in 
value was in the basement as a result. It thoroughly blew his numbers out that 
he expected. They bought an E-Class vergasser after that and swore they would 
never own an EV again.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There was nothing wrong with the car when they bought it and when the problem 
> surfaced 6 months later, it was unrepairable. This is unacceptable for an 8 
> yr old car built by a major manufacturer. Problems like this will continue to 
> happen with EVs. That’s what happens when cars are disposable.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this when 
>> making a $10,000+ purchase?
>> 
>> I would.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Feasibility is not the only issue. It’s that Electric cars are disposable. They 
are built with a battery that loses capacity from day one, a cheap electric 
motor and a computer system which again becomes obsolete within a few years. 
Pure junk.

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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Yes, and I have come to the conclusion electric cars are many years away 
> from being feasible, if ever. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 7:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this when 
>> making a $10,000+ purchase?
>> 
>> I would.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>>> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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There was nothing wrong with the car when they bought it and when the problem 
surfaced 6 months later, it was unrepairable. This is unacceptable for an 8 yr 
old car built by a major manufacturer. Problems like this will continue to 
happen with EVs. That’s what happens when cars are disposable.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this when 
> making a $10,000+ purchase?
> 
> I would.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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Yes, and I have come to the conclusion electric cars are many years away from 
being feasible, if ever. 

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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 7:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> making a $10,000+ purchase?
> 
> I would.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric cars

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It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this when 
making a $10,000+ purchase?

I would.

-D

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[MBZ] Electric cars

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.westernjournal.com/girls-electric-car-needs-new-battery-expensive-vehicle-gets-even-worse-news/

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[MBZ] As if we didn't know already

[MG via Mercedes]

This is a very good presentation of the cost
differences between the SUV vs EV.



Watch the Carl Rove interview as well as read the
article.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/florida-family-drives-into-electric-car-problem-a-replacement-battery-costs-more-than-vehicle-itself/ar-AAZGl89?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=db552aba1ede4a84acd5d86f6100cc0e




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