[MBZ] 1980 300D - 155k miles - $10,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Crazy price. Working AC is a plus but with any rust that price is very 
unrealistic IMO.

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbia-1980-mercedes-benz-300d-10k-obo/7513324265.html
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[MBZ] 1977 R107 needs engine and body work - $1,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Likely parts if not scrap

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/gary-1977-mercedes/7513383480.html
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[MBZ] 2004 C230 - 140k miles - $2,000

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"Needs a head gasket"

And probably a new head?

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/ballwin-2004-mercedes/7513405189.html

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid home AC

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

If the humidity level is high, it will cool slowly until enough water has 
condensed out of the air. Condensing the water vapor in the air releases a lot 
of heat (phase change) that has to be pumped out before you'll really start 
cooling the air.


On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, at 11:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> This one might still have something going on, not sure.  It was around 
> 105 today, house was 86 when I got home.  It has been running for about 
> 2.5 hours and temp is only down to 82 at the moment. It is still 92 
> outside.  I would have thought it would cool down the house faster than 
> that, but maybe not after being heat soaked for a week.
>
> On 7/25/2022 10:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> The setting of the thermostat makes no difference. The AC is either running 
>> or not. If it's running, and working properly, the evaporator will be cold 
>> but not below freezing.
>>
>> If it's freezing up, it needs a charge, and whatever is leaking needs to be 
>> repaired.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Did it freeze up and finally thawed out after sitting and not running?
>>>
>>> I lived in Newport News VA one summer in an apartment and the manager
>>> told us when we moved in not to set it below like 76 on hot days because
>>> it would freeze up.  It did even if not set that low when we got home
>>> from work and turned it on, and took a coupla hours to thaw out then
>>> which was a real pain because it was hot there
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>> On 7/25/22 8:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 You may recall the night before we left for Colorado AC quit working. 
 Outside condenser fan was running but not the compressor. Inside unit was 
 running. Also the defrost board was flashing code for coil sensor failure. 
 It had been like that for an hour or 2. I shut it off. Just walked in the 
 door and decided to see what it would do and the compressor fired right 
 up. I felt the line out of it and it’s getting cold. So I don’t know what 
 the deal was. Guy is supposed to be here tomorrow so I guess I will keep 
 the appointment and let them check it out. Despite it being 105 outside 
 it’s only 86 in the house which has sat closed up with no AC running for a 
 week.  Both the car and house seem to be having intermittent AC issues.

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid home AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This one might still have something going on, not sure.  It was around 
105 today, house was 86 when I got home.  It has been running for about 
2.5 hours and temp is only down to 82 at the moment. It is still 92 
outside.  I would have thought it would cool down the house faster than 
that, but maybe not after being heat soaked for a week.


On 7/25/2022 10:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

The setting of the thermostat makes no difference. The AC is either running or 
not. If it's running, and working properly, the evaporator will be cold but not 
below freezing.

If it's freezing up, it needs a charge, and whatever is leaking needs to be 
repaired.


On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Did it freeze up and finally thawed out after sitting and not running?

I lived in Newport News VA one summer in an apartment and the manager
told us when we moved in not to set it below like 76 on hot days because
it would freeze up.  It did even if not set that low when we got home
from work and turned it on, and took a coupla hours to thaw out then
which was a real pain because it was hot there

--FT

On 7/25/22 8:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

You may recall the night before we left for Colorado AC quit working. Outside 
condenser fan was running but not the compressor. Inside unit was running. Also 
the defrost board was flashing code for coil sensor failure. It had been like 
that for an hour or 2. I shut it off. Just walked in the door and decided to 
see what it would do and the compressor fired right up. I felt the line out of 
it and it’s getting cold. So I don’t know what the deal was. Guy is supposed to 
be here tomorrow so I guess I will keep the appointment and let them check it 
out. Despite it being 105 outside it’s only 86 in the house which has sat 
closed up with no AC running for a week.  Both the car and house seem to be 
having intermittent AC issues.

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid home AC

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The setting of the thermostat makes no difference. The AC is either running or 
not. If it's running, and working properly, the evaporator will be cold but not 
below freezing.

If it's freezing up, it needs a charge, and whatever is leaking needs to be 
repaired.


On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Did it freeze up and finally thawed out after sitting and not running?
>
> I lived in Newport News VA one summer in an apartment and the manager 
> told us when we moved in not to set it below like 76 on hot days because 
> it would freeze up.  It did even if not set that low when we got home 
> from work and turned it on, and took a coupla hours to thaw out then 
> which was a real pain because it was hot there
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/25/22 8:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> You may recall the night before we left for Colorado AC quit working. 
>> Outside condenser fan was running but not the compressor. Inside unit was 
>> running. Also the defrost board was flashing code for coil sensor failure. 
>> It had been like that for an hour or 2. I shut it off. Just walked in the 
>> door and decided to see what it would do and the compressor fired right up. 
>> I felt the line out of it and it’s getting cold. So I don’t know what the 
>> deal was. Guy is supposed to be here tomorrow so I guess I will keep the 
>> appointment and let them check it out. Despite it being 105 outside it’s 
>> only 86 in the house which has sat closed up with no AC running for a week.  
>> Both the car and house seem to be having intermittent AC issues.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] W116 Half-Shafts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 00:12:52 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> If you can’t get aftermarket ones, there are some guys in Colorado who
> are considered the best rebuilders in the business. If they have one on
> the shelf they’ll do a swap with a core charge. They’re not cheap, but
> very high quality from what I’ve heard from people I know who have used
> them.
> 
> https://www.cvjreman.com/mercedes/

Their website is very convincing. I will have to see what they say.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Back on the list

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On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 00:08:49 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Welcome back, Craig. Hope things are looking up in New Mexico.

Thank you, Dan. I think they are looking a little up.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I bet this thing would fire right up 1978 Mercedes-Benz, $750

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He does know the last 20 years of the car's history:  it has been sitting.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 8:53 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> go for it. you can do make it run again. low ball him he has no idea.
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 8:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Parts car, been sitting 20 years. I don’t know the history of car.
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2422656014700693
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W116 Half-Shafts

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Yes they are both 116 and do not have or need abs. 

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 19:21:44 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I just checked a 450SEL I am getting ready to order replacements for.
>> It shows them. As far as I know they should all be the same. 
> 
> So the 300SD and 450SEL are both W116s?
> 
> They have:
> 
> TRAKMOTIVE MB8003 {MB-8003} Does Not Include ABS Ring Info
> $43.79
> 
> FVP MB8003 {MB-8003} Info
> $44.79
> 
> GSP NCV48998 Info
> $65.79
> 
> CARDONE 669022 {1233500410} Info
> Fits Rear Left; with 24-13/16" Overall Length
>   or Rear Right; with 24-13/16" Overall Length
> Out of Stock
> 
> And there is a fellow on eBay who rebuilds them for $259.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Back on the list

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Welcome back!


Rick
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[MBZ] Driving the CL500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Drove it around today, it's running great and AC BLOWS ICE COLD which is 
important as it was 91F or so today and in a black car...  It is really 
comfortable and has a solid feel, quite roomy, the seats are very 
comfortable, good visibility all around.


Had it out in the sun and WOW the paint looks fantastic after finishing 
the polishing, very glassy and deep.  I had it all nice and clean but 
then it sprinkled for about 30sec while I was driving and got it all 
spotted, but even so...  it is a beautiful car, the design is one of the 
best from MB (IMHO).


The ABC suspension is kinda funky, it works fine but wants to squat down 
on RF after being parked awhile, the red light on the instrument panel 
is screaming, I hit the raise position 1 and it pops right up, then I 
drop it to normal and it is fine.  I think it might be a sensor, I need 
to investigate where that might be, I hope it is not built into the 
strut.  I did a couple circuits of a roundabout at a fairly vigorous 
pace and it is kinda surreal that the car does not lean at all, and 
feels really solid in the turns, steering is very tight.  For a big 
heavy car it does not feel like it at all.  I guess that is what ABC is 
all about.  It would be fun to use the roundabout as a skid pad and see 
how fast... even in the normal setting it is tight but comfortable, I 
will have to give the Sport setting a try.


I think it might be a pig on fuel, not enough miles and time to 
calibrate mpg but the best the display was showing 15mpg the last I 
checked it.  I did not push it a lot, but a big V8 needs to be exercised!


I also need to get it up and look at the exhaust system, it is kinda 
growly and I wonder if some previous owner might have deleted something 
or put on some cherry bombs or something.  It sounds good though, a 
little growl but not loud.


So far a very satisfying project for very little investment (some time 
and 2 fuses!).


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Re: [MBZ] W116 Half-Shafts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 19:21:44 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I just checked a 450SEL I am getting ready to order replacements for.
> It shows them. As far as I know they should all be the same. 

So the 300SD and 450SEL are both W116s?

They have:

TRAKMOTIVE MB8003 {MB-8003} Does Not Include ABS Ring Info
$43.79  

FVP MB8003 {MB-8003} Info
$44.79  

GSP NCV48998 Info
$65.79  

CARDONE 669022 {1233500410} Info
Fits Rear Left; with 24-13/16" Overall Length
   or Rear Right; with 24-13/16" Overall Length
Out of Stock

And there is a fellow on eBay who rebuilds them for $259.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid home AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m not sure, I know it was running and proper temp was being maintained then 
about an hour later I noticed it was getting warm in the house and the 
compressor was not running. We shall see if it shuts off again. Btw even though 
it’s running the defrost board is still flash the coil sensor error. I suspect 
maybe it means nothing since it’s in AC mode. 

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:01 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did it freeze up and finally thawed out after sitting and not running?
> 
> I lived in Newport News VA one summer in an apartment and the manager told us 
> when we moved in not to set it below like 76 on hot days because it would 
> freeze up.  It did even if not set that low when we got home from work and 
> turned it on, and took a coupla hours to thaw out then which was a real pain 
> because it was hot there
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/25/22 8:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> You may recall the night before we left for Colorado AC quit working. 
>> Outside condenser fan was running but not the compressor. Inside unit was 
>> running. Also the defrost board was flashing code for coil sensor failure. 
>> It had been like that for an hour or 2. I shut it off. Just walked in the 
>> door and decided to see what it would do and the compressor fired right up. 
>> I felt the line out of it and it’s getting cold. So I don’t know what the 
>> deal was. Guy is supposed to be here tomorrow so I guess I will keep the 
>> appointment and let them check it out. Despite it being 105 outside it’s 
>> only 86 in the house which has sat closed up with no AC running for a week.  
>> Both the car and house seem to be having intermittent AC issues.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] W116 Half-Shafts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

All of the 107 114 115 116 and 123 were always the same as far as I remember 
and possibly the 126. The 2 styles were either the kind with the internal clip 
in the diff you had to remove (older cars) or the later bolt on 126 style. 

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Based on the EPC, it looks like the correct half shaft for Craig’s car 
> (116.120) is a 126-350-64-10, which surprisingly, still comes up in RevParts 
> for around $360.00. I question whether it’s still available because it 
> doesn’t come up in the Classic Center parts search, but it looks like they 
> crossed a bunch of different ones over to a single part number in the past, 
> so who knows?
> 
> Kaleb's 450SEL (116.036) shows the supersession to the same part number, so 
> using that logic, the Rock Auto part should be the same.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:21 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> I just checked a 450SEL I am getting ready to order replacements for. It 
> shows them. As far as I know they should all be the same.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:07 PM, Craig 
>>> mailto:diese...@pisquared.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 18:56:08 -0500 Kaleb Striplin 
>>> mailto:ka...@striplin.net>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Check Rock Auto, they should have them.
>> 
>> All they have are the boots, as the attached picture shows.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] The three suspects fled in a white Mercedes

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

years ago in our old hood we had a big tabernacle type ministry preacher &
he always had big new Lincoln parked in front. when I saw him on the street
I used to say to him "looks like the Lord's work is rewarding Reverend" he
said yes it is.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 6:32 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Man I gotta get into this preachin bidness
>
>
> https://nypost.com/2022/07/25/flashy-brooklyn-bishop-defends-lifestyle-after-1m-jewelry-heist/
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Re: [MBZ] W116 Half-Shafts

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Based on the EPC, it looks like the correct half shaft for Craig’s car 
(116.120) is a 126-350-64-10, which surprisingly, still comes up in RevParts 
for around $360.00. I question whether it’s still available because it doesn’t 
come up in the Classic Center parts search, but it looks like they crossed a 
bunch of different ones over to a single part number in the past, so who knows?

Kaleb's 450SEL (116.036) shows the supersession to the same part number, so 
using that logic, the Rock Auto part should be the same.

-D

On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:21 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I just checked a 450SEL I am getting ready to order replacements for. It shows 
them. As far as I know they should all be the same.




Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:07 PM, Craig 
> mailto:diese...@pisquared.net>> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 18:56:08 -0500 Kaleb Striplin 
> mailto:ka...@striplin.net>>
> wrote:
>
>> Check Rock Auto, they should have them.
>
> All they have are the boots, as the attached picture shows.
>
>
> Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid home AC

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Did it freeze up and finally thawed out after sitting and not running?

I lived in Newport News VA one summer in an apartment and the manager 
told us when we moved in not to set it below like 76 on hot days because 
it would freeze up.  It did even if not set that low when we got home 
from work and turned it on, and took a coupla hours to thaw out then 
which was a real pain because it was hot there


--FT

On 7/25/22 8:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

You may recall the night before we left for Colorado AC quit working. Outside 
condenser fan was running but not the compressor. Inside unit was running. Also 
the defrost board was flashing code for coil sensor failure. It had been like 
that for an hour or 2. I shut it off. Just walked in the door and decided to 
see what it would do and the compressor fired right up. I felt the line out of 
it and it’s getting cold. So I don’t know what the deal was. Guy is supposed to 
be here tomorrow so I guess I will keep the appointment and let them check it 
out. Despite it being 105 outside it’s only 86 in the house which has sat 
closed up with no AC running for a week.  Both the car and house seem to be 
having intermittent AC issues.

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Re: [MBZ] I bet this thing would fire right up 1978 Mercedes-Benz, $750

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go for it. you can do make it run again. low ball him he has no idea.

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> Parts car, been sitting 20 years. I don’t know the history of car.
>
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[MBZ] Stupid home AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

You may recall the night before we left for Colorado AC quit working. Outside 
condenser fan was running but not the compressor. Inside unit was running. Also 
the defrost board was flashing code for coil sensor failure. It had been like 
that for an hour or 2. I shut it off. Just walked in the door and decided to 
see what it would do and the compressor fired right up. I felt the line out of 
it and it’s getting cold. So I don’t know what the deal was. Guy is supposed to 
be here tomorrow so I guess I will keep the appointment and let them check it 
out. Despite it being 105 outside it’s only 86 in the house which has sat 
closed up with no AC running for a week.  Both the car and house seem to be 
having intermittent AC issues. 

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Re: [MBZ] hood stacked, custom patina paint, AMG big fatty Doinks wearing bridge stone low profiles. Cold air swap, increased fuel injection

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

What, don't you need to have a coal roaster?

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On 7/25/22 8:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

One word: Why?

-D


On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

1985 Mercedes-Benz 300d rat rod Turbo Diesel

$7,000

This thing gets well over 40mpg. 225k and climbing but it’s a boss. Have 
original window sticker from original purchas new! Very well kept and a 
certified head turner and coal roaster.

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Re: [MBZ] hood stacked, custom patina paint, AMG big fatty Doinks wearing bridge stone low profiles. Cold air swap, increased fuel injection

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

One word: Why?

-D

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1985 Mercedes-Benz 300d rat rod Turbo Diesel
> 
> $7,000
> 
> This thing gets well over 40mpg. 225k and climbing but it’s a boss. Have 
> original window sticker from original purchas new! Very well kept and a 
> certified head turner and coal roaster.
> 
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[MBZ] hood stacked, custom patina paint, AMG big fatty Doinks wearing bridge stone low profiles. Cold air swap, increased fuel injection

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

1985 Mercedes-Benz 300d rat rod Turbo Diesel

$7,000

This thing gets well over 40mpg. 225k and climbing but it’s a boss. Have 
original window sticker from original purchas new! Very well kept and a 
certified head turner and coal roaster.


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Re: [MBZ] I bet this thing would fire right up 1978 Mercedes-Benz, $750

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

If that. Wonder what the interior looks like…

-D

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Parts car, been sitting 20 years. I don’t know the history of car.
> 
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[MBZ] I bet this thing would fire right up 1978 Mercedes-Benz, $750

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Parts car, been sitting 20 years. I don’t know the history of car.

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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> cost 8X as much in the long run but you save $3.92 a year in fuel

Nobody EVER does system-level economics.  "Does your dog bite?"
... "That is not my dog!"

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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

True. Well the damn thing has not blown any cold air in 2 hours. I think 
tomorrow I’m going to recover the refrigerant just to see if it’s leaked any 
since I recharged it. Maybe it’s got a small leak or something. 

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:02 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> More fuel efficient I am sure.  They can save .01% fuel by going to a more 
> expensive and complex system that will cost 8X as much in the long run but 
> you save $3.92 a year in fuel and the EPA and EUCommies are happy you are not 
> killing the planet as fast even though the life-cycle environmental costs of 
> the new part is much worse than the old type.  Progress!
> 
> -_FT
> 
>> On 7/25/22 7:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes exactly. I don’t really understand why they had to make it more 
>> complicated.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 25, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, we change from a simple, easily diagnosed system with its most
>>> failure-prone part being an external, non-pressurized bolt-on to one
>>> with all of that internal, difficult to diagnose, and expensive to replace.
>>> 
>>> Progress!
>>> 
>>> The wretched X5 has that system, and of course it failed and needed
>>> a new (rebuilt) compressor, with all the trimmings.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W116 Half-Shafts

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If you can’t get aftermarket ones, there are some guys in Colorado who are 
considered the best rebuilders in the business. If they have one on the shelf 
they’ll do a swap with a core charge. They’re not cheap, but very high quality 
from what I’ve heard from people I know who have used them.

https://www.cvjreman.com/mercedes/

-D



On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
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After some struggle, I was able to get the 1980 300SD titled and
registered. I drove it about 200 miles and heard a bad noise from
the rear end.

My landlord was here on the 16th and helped me get its back end up on
jackstands. I took pictures of what I found today (I'm still moving kind
of slow ...).

I noticed oil drips on the Big Room's floor the last time I came back
from Albuquerque. The drips were on the left side of the car, but not on
the right side. I presume the right side had all the oil drain out of the
CV joint earlier because of the extensive damage to the boot -- exactly
how much earlier, I cannot say.

Anyway, what do I do about the half-shafts to get this car on the road?
I'm not up for much these days, so if they were available new I would go
that route. I expect they are not available new.

The joints which are affected are the inner joints, the ones nearer the
differential.


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Re: [MBZ] Back on the list

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Welcome back, Craig. Hope things are looking up in New Mexico.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

More fuel efficient I am sure.  They can save .01% fuel by going to a 
more expensive and complex system that will cost 8X as much in the long 
run but you save $3.92 a year in fuel and the EPA and EUCommies are 
happy you are not killing the planet as fast even though the life-cycle 
environmental costs of the new part is much worse than the old type.  
Progress!


-_FT

On 7/25/22 7:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Yes exactly. I don’t really understand why they had to make it more complicated.

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On Jul 25, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

So, we change from a simple, easily diagnosed system with its most
failure-prone part being an external, non-pressurized bolt-on to one
with all of that internal, difficult to diagnose, and expensive to replace.

Progress!

The wretched X5 has that system, and of course it failed and needed
a new (rebuilt) compressor, with all the trimmings.

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Re: [MBZ] Back on the list

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 19:24:01 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
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> On 2022-07-25 19:22, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > I just turned on mail delivery for the list so I can ask a question
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 18:23:50 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
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> Welcome back, we have missed you. 

Thank you.


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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes exactly. I don’t really understand why they had to make it more 
complicated. 

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> So, we change from a simple, easily diagnosed system with its most
> failure-prone part being an external, non-pressurized bolt-on to one
> with all of that internal, difficult to diagnose, and expensive to replace.
> 
> Progress!
> 
> The wretched X5 has that system, and of course it failed and needed
> a new (rebuilt) compressor, with all the trimmings.
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

So, we change from a simple, easily diagnosed system with its most
failure-prone part being an external, non-pressurized bolt-on to one
with all of that internal, difficult to diagnose, and expensive to replace.

Progress!

The wretched X5 has that system, and of course it failed and needed
a new (rebuilt) compressor, with all the trimmings.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Homebuilt box? 1972 Mercedes Benz Unimog - $14,500

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Yeah looks like that might have been the intent but not a very good 
execution as far as I could tell from the crappy pics


--FT

On 7/25/22 7:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Looks like someone had some extra iron and aluminum sheet around, and a welder, 
and went at it but ran out and had to finish with canvas

Looks to me like it intends to be a pop-up top.

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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Correct, which is this one. 

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> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-07-25 19:20, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Pretty sure you can always tell if the compressor hub is spinning, vs not.
> 
> Didn't MBZ get rid of the clutch a while back, and newer ones spin all the 
> time?
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On 2022-07-25 19:22, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

I just turned on mail delivery for the list so I can ask a question
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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

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On 2022-07-25 19:20, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
Pretty sure you can always tell if the compressor hub is spinning, vs 
not.


Didn't MBZ get rid of the clutch a while back, and newer ones spin all 
the time?


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Re: [MBZ] Back on the list

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Welcome back, we have missed you. 

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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Except this is one of those variable compressors that does not have a normal 
clutch. So the hub is spinning all the time regardless of the AC being on or 
not. 

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> Pretty sure you can always tell if the compressor hub is spinning, vs not.
> Pistons gotta pis, so if they're moving so is fluid.  If it won't build 
> pressure
> either the one-way valves or shot, or the expansion valve is so open that
> no pressure is built.
> 
> At its heart, AC is extremely simple, mechanically.  Worst case is a variable
> displacement pump, which adds that failure point to the mix.
> 
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[MBZ] Back on the list

[Craig via Mercedes]

I just turned on mail delivery for the list so I can ask a question
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Re: [MBZ] Homebuilt box? 1972 Mercedes Benz Unimog - $14,500

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> Looks like someone had some extra iron and aluminum sheet around, and a 
> welder, and went at it but ran out and had to finish with canvas

Looks to me like it intends to be a pop-up top.

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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

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Pretty sure you can always tell if the compressor hub is spinning, vs not.
Pistons gotta pis, so if they're moving so is fluid.  If it won't build pressure
either the one-way valves or shot, or the expansion valve is so open that
no pressure is built.

At its heart, AC is extremely simple, mechanically.  Worst case is a variable
displacement pump, which adds that failure point to the mix.

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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

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I have hooked SDS up and pressure does not change when compressor is supposed 
to be off or on. I recall hooking up gauges and both sides stay the same but 
may check that again. Either the valve in the compressor is not working as it 
should or expansion valve is not. Or maybe it’s an electrical problem and if so 
it’s somewhere from the plug on the compressor to the compressor itself as 
there is 12 volts present at the wire on the car side. 

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Put a scanner on it and read the AC pressures and such and see what it is 
> going on strike
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/25/22 7:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> After the other day AC has been working fine. On the way back from CO and it 
>> worked perfectly for 7 hours. Temps were in the 70s thru low 90s. Made a 
>> stop,  back in car and it’s 105 and of course no hint of trying to cool 
>> except for maybe once when I turned the system off and back in it seemed 
>> like it might be trying to cool. I wonder if it could be a bad expansion 
>> valve rather than the valve in the compressor sticking. I guess j could try 
>> replacing it first before replacing the compressor. Since it quit working 
>> when the temps got higher I would suspect maybe a low charge except it will 
>> suddenly start working (the other day anyway)
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Re: [MBZ] The GL AC

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Put a scanner on it and read the AC pressures and such and see what it 
is going on strike


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On 7/25/22 7:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

After the other day AC has been working fine. On the way back from CO and it 
worked perfectly for 7 hours. Temps were in the 70s thru low 90s. Made a stop,  
back in car and it’s 105 and of course no hint of trying to cool except for 
maybe once when I turned the system off and back in it seemed like it might be 
trying to cool. I wonder if it could be a bad expansion valve rather than the 
valve in the compressor sticking. I guess j could try replacing it first before 
replacing the compressor. Since it quit working when the temps got higher I 
would suspect maybe a low charge except it will suddenly start working (the 
other day anyway)

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[MBZ] The GL AC

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

After the other day AC has been working fine. On the way back from CO and it 
worked perfectly for 7 hours. Temps were in the 70s thru low 90s. Made a stop,  
back in car and it’s 105 and of course no hint of trying to cool except for 
maybe once when I turned the system off and back in it seemed like it might be 
trying to cool. I wonder if it could be a bad expansion valve rather than the 
valve in the compressor sticking. I guess j could try replacing it first before 
replacing the compressor. Since it quit working when the temps got higher I 
would suspect maybe a low charge except it will suddenly start working (the 
other day anyway) 

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[MBZ] new rotors and breakers in the box 2006 Mercedes-Benz c-class C 230 Sport Sedan 4D, $400

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It keeps tripping the old breakers

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/759617808797796

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Re: [MBZ] Blood batteries

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Biodiesel is more environmentally friendly. It is carbon neutral. The biggest 
issue with diesel or biodiesel is NOx emissions.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

The closest thing would be thorium fueled nuclear reactors and Fischer Tropsch 
process for coal. The United States could be energy independent for the next 
millennium.

Someone please tell Greta.


Rick

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[MBZ] The three suspects fled in a white Mercedes

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Man I gotta get into this preachin bidness

https://nypost.com/2022/07/25/flashy-brooklyn-bishop-defends-lifestyle-after-1m-jewelry-heist/

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Re: [MBZ] Blood batteries

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-07-25 18:24, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RFHvq-8np1o


When you have kids who would rather work in horrible (and dangerous) 
conditions in a mine than starve to death, do you keep giving them that 
choice or do you end their jobs?


It seems like the human equivalent of "you can't have monkeys picking 
coconuts", except the monkeys enjoyed a much better work environment 
than these kids.


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[MBZ] Blood batteries

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

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[MBZ] Homebuilt box? 1972 Mercedes Benz Unimog - $14,500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looks like someone had some extra iron and aluminum sheet around, and a 
welder, and went at it but ran out and had to finish with canvas


https://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/d/rock-hill-1972-mercedes-benz-unimog/7513329306.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That was it. I wasn’t thinking about that at the time. Either way, they were 
related.

Dad bought the Monaco off the sales floor at the local Dodge dealer the day 
after he quit General Motors. It was his “F-U” to GM, as he was not a happy 
camper when he left.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, at 4:06 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> You sure the Monaco isn't a cheap Newport?
>> I thought Chrysler was above Dodge like Buick was above Chevrolet.
> 
> As I recall, Chrysler was top end/luxury, Dodge was mid-tier but also 
> included trucks and muscle cars, Plymouth was economy.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

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On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, at 4:06 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

> You sure the Monaco isn't a cheap Newport?
> I thought Chrysler was above Dodge like Buick was above Chevrolet.

As I recall, Chrysler was top end/luxury, Dodge was mid-tier but also included 
trucks and muscle cars, Plymouth was economy.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz 2002 E320 great car with electric issue - $3, 000 (Holiday)

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Could be all 3!

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 10:50 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s in Holiday, meaning it belongs to a senior citizen, lowlife, or meth 
> head.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:57 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And an extra 0 in the price. Realtor spec with a cracked windshield.
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/holiday-mercedes-benz-2002-e320-great/7512856111.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

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Also looks to have been cheaply resprayed at some point, unless the trunk lock 
is supposed to be body color.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, at 4:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> That’s the poor cousin to my Dad’s 69 Dodge Monaco. And it’s got the 
> cool radio with the rollers (instead of knobs.)
>
> That car had to be about 75% chrome in weight as I recall. It was a beast.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Seats about twenty.
>> 
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/tinley-park-68-chrysler-newport/7513249118.html
>> 
>> Reference https://youtu.be/9SOryJvTAGs
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

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On 2022-07-25 17:03, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

That’s the poor cousin to my Dad’s 69 Dodge Monaco. And it’s got the
cool radio with the rollers (instead of knobs.)


You sure the Monaco isn't a cheap Newport?
I thought Chrysler was above Dodge like Buick was above Chevrolet.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thousands of tins of baked beans went to a good cause.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 5:04 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s the poor cousin to my Dad’s 69 Dodge Monaco. And it’s got the cool
> radio with the rollers (instead of knobs.)
>
> That car had to be about 75% chrome in weight as I recall. It was a beast.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 25, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Seats about twenty.
> >
> >
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/tinley-park-68-chrysler-newport/7513249118.html
> >
> > Reference https://youtu.be/9SOryJvTAGs
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s the poor cousin to my Dad’s 69 Dodge Monaco. And it’s got the cool radio 
with the rollers (instead of knobs.)

That car had to be about 75% chrome in weight as I recall. It was a beast.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Seats about twenty.
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/tinley-park-68-chrysler-newport/7513249118.html
> 
> Reference https://youtu.be/9SOryJvTAGs
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1999 Mercedes SL500 - 65k miles - $9,500

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There was a woman on a FB group in eastern NC with a SLK that needed 
hydraulics. Mech quoted something like $5k. She didn’t know what to do, was 
looking for a mech who might know what to do. I suggested she look at top 
hydraulics and talk to the shop in Chapel Hill, decide if the job was worth 
outsourcing or DIY. She said her husband was moderately competent. Heard 
nothing more. 

It’s a shame these cars cost more to fix at a mech than it’s worth putting into 
them. I was just talking to a friend today about the CL500. The PO was tired of 
throwing money at it with no resolution. My grand total cost for getting it 
fixed was 2 fuses and some electrons to charge the battery. I sent her a text 
the other day and told her I had it on the road and it was working great, she 
was very happy to know that. 

Oh well, I guess more fodder for us fools. The $900E350 will get sorted soon, 
the $900E500 needs a new wheel for the new tire and it will be back on the road 
again. Both after POs being quoted $ks to put in new transmissions. 

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 12:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depends on whether it DIY or you’re paying someone.
> 
> DIY - 2 full days of labor for R, around $1,000 for rebuilt cylinders
> 
> Paying someone: A hell of a lot more than DIY, many thousands of $$$
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> How expensive to fix the hydraulics?
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:08 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks nice, but note cracked windshield, and leaking top hydraulics.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/reynoldsburg-1999-mercedes-sl500/7512932140.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Dueling exhausts

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> On Jul 25, 2022, at 3:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Seats about twenty.
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/tinley-park-68-chrysler-newport/7513249118.html
> 
> Reference https://youtu.be/9SOryJvTAGs
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I imagine they would be a lot of fun live, at least back in their prime in the 
late 70's and 80's.

There are some old grainy videos on YouTube of some of their performances back 
in their early days.


On Mon, Jul 25, 2022, at 3:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> We heard the B52's perform live at Wolf Trap about 10 years ago.  Lots of
> energy and campy humor.  The crowd adored it.
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 3:14 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Seats about twenty.
>>
>>
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/tinley-park-68-chrysler-newport/7513249118.html
>>
>> Reference https://youtu.be/9SOryJvTAGs
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We heard the B52's perform live at Wolf Trap about 10 years ago.  Lots of
energy and campy humor.  The crowd adored it.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 3:14 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Seats about twenty.
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/tinley-park-68-chrysler-newport/7513249118.html
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> Reference https://youtu.be/9SOryJvTAGs
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[MBZ] OT: Big As A Whale

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Seats about twenty.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/tinley-park-68-chrysler-newport/7513249118.html

Reference https://youtu.be/9SOryJvTAGs


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Re: [MBZ] 1999 Mercedes SL500 - 65k miles - $9,500

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Depends on whether it DIY or you’re paying someone.

DIY - 2 full days of labor for R, around $1,000 for rebuilt cylinders

Paying someone: A hell of a lot more than DIY, many thousands of $$$

-D

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> How expensive to fix the hydraulics?
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:08 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks nice, but note cracked windshield, and leaking top hydraulics.
>> 
>> 
>> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/reynoldsburg-1999-mercedes-sl500/7512932140.html
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Re: [MBZ] Running when stored in early 70's 1951 Mercedes Benz 170S - $25, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

No way. I haven’t checked recently, but within the last couple of years one of 
these in driver condition was worth about that, maybe.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:30 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-07-25 11:01, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> 170. A pretty plebeian sedan for the time. Different versions, some
>> with wood frame doors due to a lack of steel in the post war era.
> 
> So not worth anywhere near 25k in its present condition, would have to be a 
> 300 to be worth restoring?
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Re: [MBZ] 1999 Mercedes SL500 - 65k miles - $9,500

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How expensive to fix the hydraulics?

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> Looks nice, but note cracked windshield, and leaking top hydraulics.
>
>
> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/reynoldsburg-1999-mercedes-sl500/7512932140.html
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[MBZ] 1999 Mercedes SL500 - 65k miles - $9,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks nice, but note cracked windshield, and leaking top hydraulics.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/reynoldsburg-1999-mercedes-sl500/7512932140.html

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Re: [MBZ] a pristine luxury car that drops jaws & panties, 2016 Mercedes Benz Maybach S600 Biturbo - $100, 000 (Charleston)

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Wonder what was the MSRP.  I imagine way more than$100k.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 10:57 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
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> Hideous wheels do nothing for me.
> Overall bad styling choices add to the list.
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 6:53 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>
> > Posted in Charleston but looks like Kollyfawnya
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Running when stored in early 70's 1951 Mercedes Benz 170S - $25, 000

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On 2022-07-25 11:01, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

170. A pretty plebeian sedan for the time. Different versions, some
with wood frame doors due to a lack of steel in the post war era.


So not worth anywhere near 25k in its present condition, would have to 
be a 300 to be worth restoring?


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Re: [MBZ] Running when stored in early 70's 1951 Mercedes Benz 170S - $25, 000

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170. A pretty plebeian sedan for the time. Different versions, some with wood 
frame doors due to a lack of steel in the post war era.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 10:04 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-07-25 09:54, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://fayetteville.craigslist.org/cto/d/lumberton-1951-mercedes-benz-170s/7512825850.html
> 
> Adenauer, or a lesser model of similar styling?
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Re: [MBZ] a pristine luxury car that drops jaws & panties, 2016 Mercedes Benz Maybach S600 Biturbo - $100, 000 (Charleston)

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Hideous wheels do nothing for me.
Overall bad styling choices add to the list.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 6:53 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Posted in Charleston but looks like Kollyfawnya
>
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/ladson-2016-mercedes-benz-maybach-s600/7512969347.html
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz 2002 E320 great car with electric issue - $3, 000 (Holiday)

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It’s in Holiday, meaning it belongs to a senior citizen, lowlife, or meth head.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:57 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> And an extra 0 in the price. Realtor spec with a cracked windshield.
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/holiday-mercedes-benz-2002-e320-great/7512856111.html
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Re: [MBZ] $900 07E350

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It did, but because the paint was so baked I had to polish it every 2-3 months 
to keep it nice.

-D

On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

That S500 coupé really cleaned up nice!

--FT

On 7/24/22 6:23 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Never quite understood, maybe someone here with more paint knowledge than us 
can tell you. I just know that 040 is a single stage color. There are others, 
maybe arctic white, but I’m not completely sure.

You might recall my efforts to recover Tarek’s former S500 that was badly 
faded/oxidized:

http://penoff.com/S500_Paint_Recovery_Steps.html

That’s 040. I’ll do something similar but probably not quite as aggressive on 
the ML550 roof. I’ll probably start out with Ardex 1500 and a maroon wool pad 
on my 9” polisher.

-D

On Jul 24, 2022, at 6:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

So how does one know if it is single stage or clear coated?  I think the 
options list says something like “paint protection” or something, I’ve never 
known exactly what that means. I’ll have to look up the details

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Running when stored in early 70's 1951 Mercedes Benz 170S - $25, 000

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On 2022-07-25 09:54, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

https://fayetteville.craigslist.org/cto/d/lumberton-1951-mercedes-benz-170s/7512825850.html


Adenauer, or a lesser model of similar styling?

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Re: [MBZ] ML550 Sunroof

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On 2022-07-25 09:32, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

Sunroofs are great for transporting long pieces of lumber which do not
fit in a sedan!


I once put 7 2x4x8s in a 1998 Taurus SE (no sunroof, and worse yet, back 
seat didn't fold.
I got lucky, having bought 7 for a small project before discovering that 
8 would not have been possible to fit in the car. Took a bit of 
maneuvering to get them in and out of the car. Ended up with the front 
ends under the dash and the back ends above the rear shelf, diagonal 
bottom right to top left.


With my folding seat 1997 Achieva, I carried 10' pipes and conduits on 
occasion, but that was easy, tuck the front end under the dash, then 
over the reclined passenger seat, and into the trunk. Again, quantities 
limited to what would go on top of the seat and still fit under the 
dash.


As I type this, my pole saw and a 7' fishing rod are in the Saturn Ion. 
Since they're both skinny and I don't like a sharp saw rolling around, I 
tucked them between the passenger seat and the doors.


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[MBZ] Mercedes Benz 2002 E320 great car with electric issue - $3, 000 (Holiday)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

And an extra 0 in the price. Realtor spec with a cracked windshield.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/holiday-mercedes-benz-2002-e320-great/7512856111.html

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[MBZ] Running when stored in early 70's 1951 Mercedes Benz 170S - $25, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://fayetteville.craigslist.org/cto/d/lumberton-1951-mercedes-benz-170s/7512825850.html

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[MBZ] a pristine luxury car that drops jaws & panties, 2016 Mercedes Benz Maybach S600 Biturbo - $100, 000 (Charleston)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Posted in Charleston but looks like Kollyfawnya

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/ladson-2016-mercedes-benz-maybach-s600/7512969347.html

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Re: [MBZ] $900 07E350

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That S500 coupé really cleaned up nice!

--FT

On 7/24/22 6:23 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Never quite understood, maybe someone here with more paint knowledge than us 
can tell you. I just know that 040 is a single stage color. There are others, 
maybe arctic white, but I’m not completely sure.

You might recall my efforts to recover Tarek’s former S500 that was badly 
faded/oxidized:

http://penoff.com/S500_Paint_Recovery_Steps.html

That’s 040. I’ll do something similar but probably not quite as aggressive on 
the ML550 roof. I’ll probably start out with Ardex 1500 and a maroon wool pad 
on my 9” polisher.

-D

On Jul 24, 2022, at 6:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

So how does one know if it is single stage or clear coated?  I think the 
options list says something like “paint protection” or something, I’ve never 
known exactly what that means. I’ll have to look up the details

--FT
Sent from iFōn

On Jul 24, 2022, at 6:03 PM, dan penoff.com  via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

The single stage paints are the best, as they’re really hard to damage when 
“correcting”. The roof of the ML550 is really nasty due to it appearing to have 
bene parked outside under a tree or something. If the weather wasn’t so 
oppressive in FL I would be hitting it with my high speed polisher and a 
lambswool pad with some really heavy compound. I know I can recover it but it 
will take some work, but I’m not looking to sweat 30 pounds of water out to do 
it.

-D


On Jul 24, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

The transmission is working for now after clearing the code. Max found a vid of 
a guy just cleaning the solenoids and conductor plate of schmutz and getting it 
to work so I think that and new fluid/filter will probably cure it.

I decided to do the paint on the hood this afternoon. The previous owner lived 
near the shipyard and did construction so the top part of the car has all kinds 
of crust on the paint. Did a 4 stage paint correction on the hood and it came 
out incredibly well for a 15yo car. Clay bar, compound buffing, polish and wax. 
040 Mercedes black is my favorite color!  The rest of the car will look amazing 
too.

And I have a buyer!





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Re: [MBZ] Frozen engine

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> How does one free up a frozen engine block.

I'm sure it depends on the engine.  For a I6 Hercules you
take off the head, then remove the crankshaft, then hammer
out the pistons one at a time after having used electrolytic
rust removal to restore the cylinder bores to something resembling
smooth and round, followed by good penetrating oil, a solid
drift, and a 5# hammer.

But that was just me.

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Re: [MBZ] ML550 Sunroof

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Sunroofs are great for transporting long pieces of lumber which do not fit in a 
sedan!

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> On Jul 24, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't understand the appeal of sunroofs. At least here, they are something 
> I might use a few times a year. They are otherwise just potential sources for 
> leaks and trouble. I would not miss having one in the slightest.
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022, at 12:31 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have come to the conclusion that I’m not going to bear the near 
>> $1,000 (parts) expense for the repair of the sunroof in the ML550. 
>> While replacing the headliner would be the ideal time to do it, I just 
>> don’t see the value for the cost.
>> 
>> After I had finished tinkering with it a few weeks ago, I got it back 
>> in position but noticed on a highway drive that there was some wind 
>> noise. Upon close inspection, I found that the seal on the sunroof 
>> panel had rolled a bit in the center rear where it meets the roof.
>> 
>> This morning I got an Allen wrench out and tilted the rear up, reset 
>> the seal, and lubed it up with some of the unicorn tears lubricant that 
>> Mercedes has for rubber seals. I lowered it back in place and it’s now 
>> sealing as intended.
>> 
>> I’m back in Florida for a bit right now, but when I head back to 
>> Flagstaff in August I’m going to drop it off with my headliner guy to 
>> have him do his magic. And I’ll leave the sunroof motor unplugged.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One For Andrew

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I would imagine 20K depending on the miles.

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> Interesting colors
>
>  —FT
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> >
> > Call them and see how much.
> >
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[MBZ] New MERCEDES EQXX First Drive! The Record Setting EV with 1, 200km+ Range

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_B3Vj5WK4g

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Re: [MBZ] One For Andrew

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Interesting colors

 —FT

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> Call them and see how much.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Frozen engine

[G Mann via Mercedes]

First pull the plugs and insert a bore camera [now available on Amazon and
others for not a lot of money] and do a visual inspection of the actual
cylinder bores.
Quickly, you will be able to see if the bores are rusted, or some other
condition which has the engine locked up.
From that, you can make a determination of how to attack the issues you
find. Without a visual look on a V12 internals, you are likely to spend
considerable time and money doing what gives no good result.
V12 Jags have some history of overheating due to loss of coolant [small
bypass hose hidden at back of engine fails]  and if you do not have the
full history of why it was parked... well... best to look inside. If
cylinders are scored instead of only rusty... an expensive rebuild..


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wrote:

> Greetings all, It’s roughly time for my annual MB diesel report and
> obligatory inquiry.  There are rumors that my SIL will be the new owner of
> W123 240D.  The family lives in WI which limits my diesel assistance to
> verbal support over the phone.  But he enjoyed a prior career as a diesel
> mechanic so I’m content to be a hands off consultant.  We still breath a
> big sigh of nostalgia whenever someone mentions the 74 W113 240D that I
> sold far too soon.  The best automobile ever to roam the earth IMHO.
> Ok now here’s the question:  How does one free up a frozen engine block.
> It’s a V12 Jag not a Benz but I wager someone here has succeeded in doing
> it.  Not sure if it’s overheated or merely rusted.  I once knew the
> procedures but am drawing a complete blank.
> TIABruce
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