Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[OK Don via Mercedes]

That is just too sad.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 5:38 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> It depresses home values - doesn't conform to norms.
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 5:47 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Why would they care? If it's not a recreational vehicle or a trailer,
> > there's not a lot they could do about it.
> >
> > -D
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> > Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 4:57 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
> >
> > Imagine how HOAs will react when you park a new Aptera in front of your
> > town home.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:50 PM mitch--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 2023-08-04 15:21, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:31:31 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I have never seen an Aptera, but there's a Pulse sitting on a
> trailer
> > > >> in Bellevue Michigan this summer. (made in Owosso MI in the mid
> 1980s)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://www.autoevolution.com/news/your-chance-to-roll-in-a-car-motorcycle-with-wings-a-1988-pulse-autocycle-145450.html
> > > >
> > > > It's interesting there are NACA ducts on both sides of the body
> > > > (fuselage?) -- I presume they are intakes for the engine's air
> cooling.
> > >
> > > Originally came with a 400cc Yamaha rear end. I'm 90% sure it was
> > > air-cooled.
> > >
> > > They added an electric motor to give powered reverse so you didn't have
> > > to get out and push to back out of a parking space.
> > >
> > > Lots of them have been converted to 900-1100cc, mostly water cooled.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Wouldn’t in Flagstaff. Mostly old hippies.

-D


On Aug 4, 2023, at 6:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:


It depresses home values - doesn't conform to norms.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 5:47 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Why would they care? If it's not a recreational vehicle or a trailer, there's 
not a lot they could do about it.

-D

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

Imagine how HOAs will react when you park a new Aptera in front of your
town home.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:50 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
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> On 2023-08-04 15:21, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:31:31 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> I have never seen an Aptera, but there's a Pulse sitting on a trailer
> >> in Bellevue Michigan this summer. (made in Owosso MI in the mid 1980s)
> >>
> >>
> https://www.autoevolution.com/news/your-chance-to-roll-in-a-car-motorcycle-with-wings-a-1988-pulse-autocycle-145450.html
> >
> > It's interesting there are NACA ducts on both sides of the body
> > (fuselage?) -- I presume they are intakes for the engine's air cooling.
>
> Originally came with a 400cc Yamaha rear end. I'm 90% sure it was
> air-cooled.
>
> They added an electric motor to give powered reverse so you didn't have
> to get out and push to back out of a parking space.
>
> Lots of them have been converted to 900-1100cc, mostly water cooled.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

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It depresses home values - doesn't conform to norms.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 5:47 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Why would they care? If it's not a recreational vehicle or a trailer,
> there's not a lot they could do about it.
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 4:57 PM
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> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>
> Imagine how HOAs will react when you park a new Aptera in front of your
> town home.
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:50 PM mitch--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 2023-08-04 15:21, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > > On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:31:31 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have never seen an Aptera, but there's a Pulse sitting on a trailer
> > >> in Bellevue Michigan this summer. (made in Owosso MI in the mid 1980s)
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.autoevolution.com/news/your-chance-to-roll-in-a-car-motorcycle-with-wings-a-1988-pulse-autocycle-145450.html
> > >
> > > It's interesting there are NACA ducts on both sides of the body
> > > (fuselage?) -- I presume they are intakes for the engine's air cooling.
> >
> > Originally came with a 400cc Yamaha rear end. I'm 90% sure it was
> > air-cooled.
> >
> > They added an electric motor to give powered reverse so you didn't have
> > to get out and push to back out of a parking space.
> >
> > Lots of them have been converted to 900-1100cc, mostly water cooled.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] AAA

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 12:49:58 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> AAA doesnt pay enough. Drivers will take any other call first, even if
> they accept the AAA. USAA towing is worthless for the same reason.

I have found USAA's towing to be quite useful here in New Mexico.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Picking these up tomorrow

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

He stole them out from under Kleb. He was too busy dealing with Mrs. Kleb 
breaking the GL again.

-D

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Picking these up tomorrow

You stole those wheels.  Aren't they usually $200+ retail?

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> Staggered 18s off a 09E that’s currently in limp mode due to trans issues.
> Could be an interesting visit.
>
> Also has a 107 that looks decent, quit running with black smoke from the
> exhaust. Hmmm
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1369357890594863/
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Why would they care? If it's not a recreational vehicle or a trailer, there's 
not a lot they could do about it.

-D

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Imagine how HOAs will react when you park a new Aptera in front of your
town home.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:50 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On 2023-08-04 15:21, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:31:31 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I have never seen an Aptera, but there's a Pulse sitting on a trailer
> >> in Bellevue Michigan this summer. (made in Owosso MI in the mid 1980s)
> >>
> >>
> https://www.autoevolution.com/news/your-chance-to-roll-in-a-car-motorcycle-with-wings-a-1988-pulse-autocycle-145450.html
> >
> > It's interesting there are NACA ducts on both sides of the body
> > (fuselage?) -- I presume they are intakes for the engine's air cooling.
>
> Originally came with a 400cc Yamaha rear end. I'm 90% sure it was
> air-cooled.
>
> They added an electric motor to give powered reverse so you didn't have
> to get out and push to back out of a parking space.
>
> Lots of them have been converted to 900-1100cc, mostly water cooled.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Picking these up tomorrow

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You stole those wheels.  Aren't they usually $200+ retail?

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:16 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Staggered 18s off a 09E that’s currently in limp mode due to trans issues.
> Could be an interesting visit.
>
> Also has a 107 that looks decent, quit running with black smoke from the
> exhaust. Hmmm
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1369357890594863/
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf NOW MB CL500

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Borderline?

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 2:49 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I was driving the CL500 this afternoon.  It has been raining the road
> was still a bit wet.  The car has wide Toyo tires on the back that I
> think are a pretty hard compound, or they are more for dry conditions.
> Anyway, I took a turn with a bit of verve and the back end broke loose
> (which it has done before in similar conditions) and the ESP intervened,
> I could feel the ABS being applied to different wheels and the car
> sorted itself right out.  Not that it was in any danger really, there
> was plenty of room and I was correcting the slide, but it is good to
> know that a 21yo nanny still has some ability to deal with my energetic
> driving or borderline stupidity!
>
> --FT
>
> On 8/4/23 2:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > ll these ladies aids are not producing better drivers. And when the
> ladies aids puke due to dirty sensors or whatever, we are left with people
> driving, who cannot respond to the simplest "emergency". All this
> technology is producing less intelligent and less capable humans.
> >
> > More morons.
> > Just what society needs.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

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Imagine how HOAs will react when you park a new Aptera in front of your
town home.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:50 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On 2023-08-04 15:21, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:31:31 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I have never seen an Aptera, but there's a Pulse sitting on a trailer
> >> in Bellevue Michigan this summer. (made in Owosso MI in the mid 1980s)
> >>
> >>
> https://www.autoevolution.com/news/your-chance-to-roll-in-a-car-motorcycle-with-wings-a-1988-pulse-autocycle-145450.html
> >
> > It's interesting there are NACA ducts on both sides of the body
> > (fuselage?) -- I presume they are intakes for the engine's air cooling.
>
> Originally came with a 400cc Yamaha rear end. I'm 90% sure it was
> air-cooled.
>
> They added an electric motor to give powered reverse so you didn't have
> to get out and push to back out of a parking space.
>
> Lots of them have been converted to 900-1100cc, mostly water cooled.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

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On 2023-08-04 15:21, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:31:31 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
 wrote:


I have never seen an Aptera, but there's a Pulse sitting on a trailer
in Bellevue Michigan this summer. (made in Owosso MI in the mid 1980s)

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/your-chance-to-roll-in-a-car-motorcycle-with-wings-a-1988-pulse-autocycle-145450.html


It's interesting there are NACA ducts on both sides of the body
(fuselage?) -- I presume they are intakes for the engine's air cooling.


Originally came with a 400cc Yamaha rear end. I'm 90% sure it was 
air-cooled.


They added an electric motor to give powered reverse so you didn't have 
to get out and push to back out of a parking space.


Lots of them have been converted to 900-1100cc, mostly water cooled.

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Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

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Bolts are more expensive than comparable Leafs.

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> Agreed, if we get an EV I'll look hard at the Bolt. They discounted it
> recently, it seems like a lot of value.
>
>
> Have you ridden in a Prius? I haven't been in the latest generation (looks
> a lot like a Tesla if you ask me) but the older ones rode pretty rough.
> They're decent cars but but a lot more road feel than you'd get in a
> Mercedes.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:18:54 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Chevy Bolt seems like excellent value.
>
> Tesla is getting sued for lying about range in their specs, which they have
> been doing for years. This has to impact their energy efficiency, because
> they are going less miles in tbe same battery pack charge. So it could be
> fraud on an EPA/CARB level.
>
> For some reason I find the brand new Prius to be an attractive car. We make
> some longer trips and for me the ability to do that in an efficient, modern
> car without worrying where the next charge station is would be a valuable
> feature. People drive the wheels off those cars.
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, 8:55 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The thing I dislike about hybrids is not the hybrid itself but that
> people
> > buy a big stupid SUV but get a hybrid so its "green"...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:44:58 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wouldn’t a hybrid be the gateway vehicle to an EV? Buy a Toyota Venza
> > (supposedly a Lexus in Toyota badging) before going electric?
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 4, 2023, at 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would consider one for the Flagstaff house. It would be fine for
> > running errands. That and have an IC vehicle for longer trips.
> > >
> > > I'm not remotely close to that decision yet, but it's been in the back
> > of my mind.
> > >
> > > -D
> > > 
> > > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
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> > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; RICK HAWKINS <
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> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy
> > >
> > > Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
> > >>
> > >> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?
> :-)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

All electric cars made in the last 10-15 years have regenerative braking. Not a 
special feature...

I bought my 2015 Jetta TDI in 2019, it had 60k on it. I paid right around $9k 
which was pretty much top dollar at the time but it was in very good shape and 
low mileage for a TDI.

Car prices are bonkers...

-Curt


On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 04:40:42 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I drove a 2016 e-Golf today and was impressed at the fit and finish,
comfort, ample power and acceleration, and functional design.  It has
regenerative braking, which actually increases range when in use, or at
least holds it steady.  Has only 44.5 k miles and shows no signs of wear or
abuse.  If the price comes down from $13.5k I may consider acquiring it.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:25 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Isn't this a little like saying you shouldn't use an impact driver to run
> long screws when building things because you should be using nails/spikes?
> If you don't regularly drive nails/spikes you won't be any good at it so
> the impact driver is making you a worse carpenter.
>
> Traction control is a tool like any other tool.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 02:08:07 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This was on my 2018 RAM 1500 classic. Its the basest of base models but
> apparently the traction control is pretty smart.
> > I would expect an EV to be able to do better.
>
> Until it doesn't.
>
> All these ladies aids are not producing better drivers. And when the
> ladies aids puke due to dirty sensors or whatever, we are left with people
> driving, who cannot respond to the simplest "emergency". All this
> technology is producing less intelligent and less capable humans.
>
> More morons.
> Just what society needs.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Agreed, if we get an EV I'll look hard at the Bolt. They discounted it 
recently, it seems like a lot of value.


Have you ridden in a Prius? I haven't been in the latest generation (looks a 
lot like a Tesla if you ask me) but the older ones rode pretty rough. They're 
decent cars but but a lot more road feel than you'd get in a Mercedes.

-Curt


On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:18:54 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Chevy Bolt seems like excellent value.

Tesla is getting sued for lying about range in their specs, which they have
been doing for years. This has to impact their energy efficiency, because
they are going less miles in tbe same battery pack charge. So it could be
fraud on an EPA/CARB level.

For some reason I find the brand new Prius to be an attractive car. We make
some longer trips and for me the ability to do that in an efficient, modern
car without worrying where the next charge station is would be a valuable
feature. People drive the wheels off those cars.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, 8:55 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The thing I dislike about hybrids is not the hybrid itself but that people
> buy a big stupid SUV but get a hybrid so its "green"...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:44:58 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Wouldn’t a hybrid be the gateway vehicle to an EV? Buy a Toyota Venza
> (supposedly a Lexus in Toyota badging) before going electric?
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 4, 2023, at 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would consider one for the Flagstaff house. It would be fine for
> running errands. That and have an IC vehicle for longer trips.
> >
> > I'm not remotely close to that decision yet, but it's been in the back
> of my mind.
> >
> > -D
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:15 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; RICK HAWKINS <
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy
> >
> > Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
> >>
> >> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?  :-)
> >>
> >> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I drove a 2016 e-Golf today and was impressed at the fit and finish,
comfort, ample power and acceleration, and functional design.  It has
regenerative braking, which actually increases range when in use, or at
least holds it steady.  Has only 44.5 k miles and shows no signs of wear or
abuse.  If the price comes down from $13.5k I may consider acquiring it.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:25 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Isn't this a little like saying you shouldn't use an impact driver to run
> long screws when building things because you should be using nails/spikes?
> If you don't regularly drive nails/spikes you won't be any good at it so
> the impact driver is making you a worse carpenter.
>
> Traction control is a tool like any other tool.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 02:08:07 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This was on my 2018 RAM 1500 classic. Its the basest of base models but
> apparently the traction control is pretty smart.
> > I would expect an EV to be able to do better.
>
> Until it doesn't.
>
> All these ladies aids are not producing better drivers. And when the
> ladies aids puke due to dirty sensors or whatever, we are left with people
> driving, who cannot respond to the simplest "emergency". All this
> technology is producing less intelligent and less capable humans.
>
> More morons.
> Just what society needs.
>
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] AAA

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

AAA doesnt pay enough. Drivers will take any other call first, even if they
accept the AAA. USAA towing is worthless for the same reason.

Charge air cooling leaks cause a lot of hard to pinpoint issues in these
newer cars.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, 11:50 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The issue was the upper intercooler hose came loose. I would have never
> guessed that from the description I was given of the problem.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 6:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 18:17:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> After 3 hours and literally 28 phone calls later they finally got it
> >> home.
> >
> > Congratulations on your persistence paying off!
> >
> >
> >> Wife says the gl jerked and sounded like the engine fell out, it does
> >> forward and reverse but only gets to 20, and sputtering and dies, so
> >> not sure what is going on with it.
> >
> > We will all be waiting to hear what you find.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Isn't this a little like saying you shouldn't use an impact driver to run long 
screws when building things because you should be using nails/spikes? If you 
don't regularly drive nails/spikes you won't be any good at it so the impact 
driver is making you a worse carpenter.

Traction control is a tool like any other tool.

-Curt

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 02:08:07 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote: 

> This was on my 2018 RAM 1500 classic. Its the basest of base models but 
> apparently the traction control is pretty smart.
> I would expect an EV to be able to do better.

Until it doesn't.

All these ladies aids are not producing better drivers. And when the ladies 
aids puke due to dirty sensors or whatever, we are left with people driving, 
who cannot respond to the simplest "emergency". All this technology is 
producing less intelligent and less capable humans.

More morons.
Just what society needs.


Rick

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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 14:31:31 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I have never seen an Aptera, but there's a Pulse sitting on a trailer
> in Bellevue Michigan this summer. (made in Owosso MI in the mid 1980s)
> 
> https://www.autoevolution.com/news/your-chance-to-roll-in-a-car-motorcycle-with-wings-a-1988-pulse-autocycle-145450.html

It's interesting there are NACA ducts on both sides of the body
(fuselage?) -- I presume they are intakes for the engine's air cooling.


Craig

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[MBZ] has 18 inch rims lowered in the back 2004 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 Wagon 4D, $2, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

i.e., needs new rear SLS accumulators.  Looks a little worn but at $2k 
could be a reasonable hauler


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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If momentum is ANY part of your driving solution,
especially going uphill, traction control is worse than
useless.

"We keep you from getting in an accident by keeping
you from getting home."  *TM*

Or perhaps:

"In our cars in winter you'll die of exposure, not trauma."  *TM*

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] AAA

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The issue was the upper intercooler hose came loose. I would have never guessed 
that from the description I was given of the problem. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2023, at 6:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 18:17:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> After 3 hours and literally 28 phone calls later they finally got it
>> home.
> 
> Congratulations on your persistence paying off!
> 
> 
>> Wife says the gl jerked and sounded like the engine fell out, it does
>> forward and reverse but only gets to 20, and sputtering and dies, so
>> not sure what is going on with it.
> 
> We will all be waiting to hear what you find.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf NOW MB CL500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I was driving the CL500 this afternoon.  It has been raining the road 
was still a bit wet.  The car has wide Toyo tires on the back that I 
think are a pretty hard compound, or they are more for dry conditions.  
Anyway, I took a turn with a bit of verve and the back end broke loose 
(which it has done before in similar conditions) and the ESP intervened, 
I could feel the ABS being applied to different wheels and the car 
sorted itself right out.  Not that it was in any danger really, there 
was plenty of room and I was correcting the slide, but it is good to 
know that a 21yo nanny still has some ability to deal with my energetic 
driving or borderline stupidity!


--FT

On 8/4/23 2:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

ll these ladies aids are not producing better drivers. And when the ladies aids puke due 
to dirty sensors or whatever, we are left with people driving, who cannot respond to the 
simplest "emergency". All this technology is producing less intelligent and 
less capable humans.

More morons.
Just what society needs.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Interesting. The only thing I have found good about traction control is 
switching it off.

I was trying to climb a snowy hill in my Volvo last winter. It's an XC90 but 
front-wheel drive only.

When the wheels started to slip, it backed off the power, and I came to a stop. 
Could not get going again. I'd back down the hill and try to get more of a run 
at it but pretty much the same every time. I didn't really give it much more of 
a chance though, I backed down, turned off the traction control, hit the hill 
as fast as I could go and powered up with the wheels spinning.


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 12:54, Curt Raymond wrote:
> A couple months ago I was at the vast northern estate, cruising in to 
> camp on a road I had recently cut the bushes back on. It had rained a 
> little bit and there were a bunch of green leaves on the grass making 
> it pretty slippery. I was only in 2wd and when I got to the first 
> turning hill section the wheels started to spin.
>
> Normally this would be the point where I'd engage 4wd but I could feel 
> the traction control back off power and wondered what would happen 
> next. I kept my foot where it was at about 1/4 throttle, the computer 
> backed off the power and the truck stopped moving.
>
> The next part was interesting, the computer would add a little power, a 
> wheel would spin a little, it would back off and then, I think hold the 
> brake a little on the wheel that slipped. Slowly we started to make 
> progress again. It was weird but I could definitely feel the truck 
> playing with the rear brakes to find which wheel had the most traction. 
> Pretty soon normal movement resumed.
>
> This was on my 2018 RAM 1500 classic. Its the basest of base models but 
> apparently the traction control is pretty smart. I would expect an EV 
> to be able to do better.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:40:50 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
> EVs are pretty heavy, so in theory they should be good snow cars. But 
> they are also torquey, and have specific tire requirements to 
> accomodate their weight, so I don't know how they do in reality.
>
> Cold weather does reduce the range substantially.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 10:43, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I've looked at these for the AZ house. My biggest concern was driving 
>> it in the winter. Not as far as range or charging, but ground clearance 
>> and handling. I just wonder how well these will do in snow?
>>
>> -D
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via 
>> Mercedes 
>> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:36 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: OK Don 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>>
>> I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in OKC years ago - sounds like they
>> might be getting close to production.
>> Aptera Motors 
>> If I were in the market for a new car, I'd consider one of these.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:15 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Fisker array sort of reminds me of vapor ware.  I'll believe all these
>>> gee whiz vehicles when I see them on the local roads.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:44 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Do they have orange PlasticDip on the door handles?
>>> >
>>> > -D
>>> > 
>>> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan Streib
>>> > via Mercedes 
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:10 AM
>>> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> > Cc: Allan Streib 
>>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>>> >
>>> > I think some of the Fisker cars look good, but I've never seen one in the
>>> > wild. Are they actually making any of them?
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 07:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> > > With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
>>> > > sense to drive an EV for routine errands.
>>> > >
>>> > > I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.
>>> They
>>> > > have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one
>>> > in
>>> > > my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
>>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is
>>> that
>>> > >> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they
>>> want
>>> > >> grass, get the fake stuff.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake
>>> pine
>>> > >> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of
>>> > yardwork.
>>> > >> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -D
>>> > >> 
>>> > >> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt
>>> > Raymond
>>> > >> via Mercedes 
>>> > >> Sent: Thursday, 

Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2023-08-04 11:36, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in OKC years ago - sounds like 
they

might be getting close to production.
Aptera Motors 



I have never seen an Aptera, but there's a Pulse sitting on a trailer in 
Bellevue Michigan this summer. (made in Owosso MI in the mid 1980s)


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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> This was on my 2018 RAM 1500 classic. Its the basest of base models but 
> apparently the traction control is pretty smart.
> I would expect an EV to be able to do better.

Until it doesn't.

All these ladies aids are not producing better drivers. And when the ladies 
aids puke due to dirty sensors or whatever, we are left with people driving, 
who cannot respond to the simplest "emergency". All this technology is 
producing less intelligent and less capable humans.

More morons.
Just what society needs.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A couple months ago I was at the vast northern estate, cruising in to camp on a 
road I had recently cut the bushes back on. It had rained a little bit and 
there were a bunch of green leaves on the grass making it pretty slippery. I 
was only in 2wd and when I got to the first turning hill section the wheels 
started to spin.

Normally this would be the point where I'd engage 4wd but I could feel the 
traction control back off power and wondered what would happen next. I kept my 
foot where it was at about 1/4 throttle, the computer backed off the power and 
the truck stopped moving.

The next part was interesting, the computer would add a little power, a wheel 
would spin a little, it would back off and then, I think hold the brake a 
little on the wheel that slipped. Slowly we started to make progress again. It 
was weird but I could definitely feel the truck playing with the rear brakes to 
find which wheel had the most traction. Pretty soon normal movement resumed.

This was on my 2018 RAM 1500 classic. Its the basest of base models but 
apparently the traction control is pretty smart. I would expect an EV to be 
able to do better.

-Curt


On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:40:50 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





EVs are pretty heavy, so in theory they should be good snow cars. But they are 
also torquey, and have specific tire requirements to accomodate their weight, 
so I don't know how they do in reality.

Cold weather does reduce the range substantially.


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 10:43, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I've looked at these for the AZ house. My biggest concern was driving 
> it in the winter. Not as far as range or charging, but ground clearance 
> and handling. I just wonder how well these will do in snow?
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:36 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: OK Don 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>
> I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in OKC years ago - sounds like they
> might be getting close to production.
> Aptera Motors 
> If I were in the market for a new car, I'd consider one of these.
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:15 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> The Fisker array sort of reminds me of vapor ware.  I'll believe all these
>> gee whiz vehicles when I see them on the local roads.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:44 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Do they have orange PlasticDip on the door handles?
>> >
>> > -D
>> > 
>> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan Streib
>> > via Mercedes 
>> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:10 AM
>> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> > Cc: Allan Streib 
>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>> >
>> > I think some of the Fisker cars look good, but I've never seen one in the
>> > wild. Are they actually making any of them?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 07:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
>> > > sense to drive an EV for routine errands.
>> > >
>> > > I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.
>> They
>> > > have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one
>> > in
>> > > my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is
>> that
>> > >> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they
>> want
>> > >> grass, get the fake stuff.
>> > >>
>> > >> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake
>> pine
>> > >> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of
>> > yardwork.
>> > >> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
>> > >>
>> > >> -D
>> > >> 
>> > >> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt
>> > Raymond
>> > >> via Mercedes 
>> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
>> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
>> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>> > >>
>> > >> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions
>> until
>> > >> near the end of May...
>> > >>
>> > >> -Curt
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
>> > >> Mercedes  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow
>> > and
>> > >> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Out of curiosity, why have 

[MBZ] Picking these up tomorrow

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Staggered 18s off a 09E that’s currently in limp mode due to trans issues. 
Could be an interesting visit. 

Also has a 107 that looks decent, quit running with black smoke from the 
exhaust. Hmmm

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1369357890594863/

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

EVs are pretty heavy, so in theory they should be good snow cars. But they are 
also torquey, and have specific tire requirements to accomodate their weight, 
so I don't know how they do in reality.

Cold weather does reduce the range substantially.


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 10:43, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I've looked at these for the AZ house. My biggest concern was driving 
> it in the winter. Not as far as range or charging, but ground clearance 
> and handling. I just wonder how well these will do in snow?
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:36 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: OK Don 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>
> I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in OKC years ago - sounds like they
> might be getting close to production.
> Aptera Motors 
> If I were in the market for a new car, I'd consider one of these.
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:15 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> The Fisker array sort of reminds me of vapor ware.  I'll believe all these
>> gee whiz vehicles when I see them on the local roads.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:44 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Do they have orange PlasticDip on the door handles?
>> >
>> > -D
>> > 
>> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan Streib
>> > via Mercedes 
>> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:10 AM
>> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> > Cc: Allan Streib 
>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>> >
>> > I think some of the Fisker cars look good, but I've never seen one in the
>> > wild. Are they actually making any of them?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 07:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
>> > > sense to drive an EV for routine errands.
>> > >
>> > > I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.
>> They
>> > > have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one
>> > in
>> > > my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is
>> that
>> > >> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they
>> want
>> > >> grass, get the fake stuff.
>> > >>
>> > >> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake
>> pine
>> > >> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of
>> > yardwork.
>> > >> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
>> > >>
>> > >> -D
>> > >> 
>> > >> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt
>> > Raymond
>> > >> via Mercedes 
>> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
>> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
>> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>> > >>
>> > >> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions
>> until
>> > >> near the end of May...
>> > >>
>> > >> -Curt
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
>> > >> Mercedes  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow
>> > and
>> > >> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the
>> > EV
>> > >> >> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
>> > >> >> ___
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>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > OK Don
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing
>> > you
>> > >> > are wearing."
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
>> to
>> > >> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> > >> >
>> > >> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
>> doing.”
>> > >> Werner
>> > >> > Von Braun
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "In science if you know what you are doing you should 

Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Chevy Bolt seems like excellent value.

Tesla is getting sued for lying about range in their specs, which they have
been doing for years. This has to impact their energy efficiency, because
they are going less miles in tbe same battery pack charge. So it could be
fraud on an EPA/CARB level.

For some reason I find the brand new Prius to be an attractive car. We make
some longer trips and for me the ability to do that in an efficient, modern
car without worrying where the next charge station is would be a valuable
feature. People drive the wheels off those cars.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, 8:55 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The thing I dislike about hybrids is not the hybrid itself but that people
> buy a big stupid SUV but get a hybrid so its "green"...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:44:58 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Wouldn’t a hybrid be the gateway vehicle to an EV? Buy a Toyota Venza
> (supposedly a Lexus in Toyota badging) before going electric?
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 4, 2023, at 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would consider one for the Flagstaff house. It would be fine for
> running errands. That and have an IC vehicle for longer trips.
> >
> > I'm not remotely close to that decision yet, but it's been in the back
> of my mind.
> >
> > -D
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:15 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; RICK HAWKINS <
> macj...@aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy
> >
> > Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
> >>
> >> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?  :-)
> >>
> >> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The thing I dislike about hybrids is not the hybrid itself but that people buy 
a big stupid SUV but get a hybrid so its "green"...

-Curt


On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:44:58 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Wouldn’t a hybrid be the gateway vehicle to an EV? Buy a Toyota Venza 
(supposedly a Lexus in Toyota badging) before going electric?  

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would consider one for the Flagstaff house. It would be fine for running 
> errands. That and have an IC vehicle for longer trips.
> 
> I'm not remotely close to that decision yet, but it's been in the back of my 
> mind.
> 
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel 
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; RICK HAWKINS 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy
> 
> Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
>> 
>> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?  :-)
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I bet they'll do well, they're heavy but more importantly they're balanced 
since the batteries are stashed all around the car.

One of Angie's family has a Tesla Model 3. They've had it for 2 or 3 years now 
and absolutely love it. Their other car is a Subaru wagon that they use for 
hauling the kids back and for to college but for running around town the Tesla 
is the one.

One thing I like about the Tesla is the ability to have it preheat/precool from 
your phone while it's still plugged in. So it's running on shore power, getting 
the interior to a nice temp. That'll save battery since the HVAC only has to 
maintain when you're driving.

-Curt


On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:44:44 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I've looked at these for the AZ house. My biggest concern was driving it in the 
winter. Not as far as range or charging, but ground clearance and handling. I 
just wonder how well these will do in snow?

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:36 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in OKC years ago - sounds like they
might be getting close to production.
Aptera Motors 
If I were in the market for a new car, I'd consider one of these.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:15 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The Fisker array sort of reminds me of vapor ware.  I'll believe all these
> gee whiz vehicles when I see them on the local roads.
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:44 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Do they have orange PlasticDip on the door handles?
> >
> > -D
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan Streib
> > via Mercedes 
> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:10 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Allan Streib 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
> >
> > I think some of the Fisker cars look good, but I've never seen one in the
> > wild. Are they actually making any of them?
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 07:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
> > > sense to drive an EV for routine errands.
> > >
> > > I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.
> They
> > > have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one
> > in
> > > my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is
> that
> > >> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they
> want
> > >> grass, get the fake stuff.
> > >>
> > >> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake
> pine
> > >> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of
> > yardwork.
> > >> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >> 
> > >> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt
> > Raymond
> > >> via Mercedes 
> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
> > >>
> > >> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions
> until
> > >> near the end of May...
> > >>
> > >> -Curt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> > >> Mercedes  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow
> > and
> > >> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the
> > EV
> > >> >> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
> > >> >> ___
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> > >> > --
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> > >> >
> > >> > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing
> > you
> > >> > are wearing."
> > >> >
> > >> > "Whenever you find yourself on the 

Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've been thinking about an EV as well. Now that I rarely commute we really 
don't need 2 diesel cars. Angie's Golf has been down with a bad tire for 2 
months. I went to start it yesterday and the battery was dead. It'd been moved 
around the yard a few times so that wasn't a real surprise.

Even one of the low distance older cars would be fine for her to make the 20 
mile round trip to work or for me to go 12 miles round trip to the gym. I think 
short trips is why my Jetta needed a new NOx sensor earlier this year. I've 
been trying to get it on a distance thrash every couple weeks to prevent future 
problems.

Alternately I'm thinking about something fun like an old Jeep CJ.

-Curt


On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:38:32 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I would consider one for the Flagstaff house. It would be fine for running 
errands. That and have an IC vehicle for longer trips.

I'm not remotely close to that decision yet, but it's been in the back of my 
mind.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel 
via Mercedes 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; RICK HAWKINS 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
>
> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?  :-)
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That's a possibility, but one of the main reasons I would want an EV for 
running around locally is the lack of need for maintenance/repairs. Bring in an 
IC car, even if it's a hybrid, and you kind of defeat that.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:44 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Bob Rentfro 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

Wouldn’t a hybrid be the gateway vehicle to an EV? Buy a Toyota Venza 
(supposedly a Lexus in Toyota badging) before going electric?

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> I would consider one for the Flagstaff house. It would be fine for running 
> errands. That and have an IC vehicle for longer trips.
>
> I'm not remotely close to that decision yet, but it's been in the back of my 
> mind.
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel 
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; RICK HAWKINS 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy
>
> Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>> Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
>>
>> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?  :-)
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Wouldn’t a hybrid be the gateway vehicle to an EV? Buy a Toyota Venza 
(supposedly a Lexus in Toyota badging) before going electric?  

AZBob

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> On Aug 4, 2023, at 8:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would consider one for the Flagstaff house. It would be fine for running 
> errands. That and have an IC vehicle for longer trips.
> 
> I'm not remotely close to that decision yet, but it's been in the back of my 
> mind.
> 
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel 
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; RICK HAWKINS 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy
> 
> Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
>> 
>> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?  :-)
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I've looked at these for the AZ house. My biggest concern was driving it in the 
winter. Not as far as range or charging, but ground clearance and handling. I 
just wonder how well these will do in snow?

-D

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Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:36 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in OKC years ago - sounds like they
might be getting close to production.
Aptera Motors 
If I were in the market for a new car, I'd consider one of these.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:15 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The Fisker array sort of reminds me of vapor ware.  I'll believe all these
> gee whiz vehicles when I see them on the local roads.
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:44 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Do they have orange PlasticDip on the door handles?
> >
> > -D
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan Streib
> > via Mercedes 
> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:10 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Allan Streib 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
> >
> > I think some of the Fisker cars look good, but I've never seen one in the
> > wild. Are they actually making any of them?
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 07:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
> > > sense to drive an EV for routine errands.
> > >
> > > I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.
> They
> > > have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one
> > in
> > > my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is
> that
> > >> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they
> want
> > >> grass, get the fake stuff.
> > >>
> > >> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake
> pine
> > >> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of
> > yardwork.
> > >> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >> 
> > >> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt
> > Raymond
> > >> via Mercedes 
> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
> > >>
> > >> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions
> until
> > >> near the end of May...
> > >>
> > >> -Curt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> > >> Mercedes  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow
> > and
> > >> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the
> > EV
> > >> >> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
> > >> >> ___
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> > >> >>
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> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > OK Don
> > >> >
> > >> > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing
> > you
> > >> > are wearing."
> > >> >
> > >> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> > >> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >> >
> > >> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”
> > >> Werner
> > >> > Von Braun
> > >> >
> > >> > "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing
> it.
> > >> > In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not
> be
> > >> > doing it."
> > >> >-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and
> Engineering
> > >> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> > >>
> > >> > ___
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> > >> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT There appears to be some sort of altered state involved here -- Meyers Manx Build, $1

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Prety straightforward, really.

The seller has a genuine Meyers Manx kit car. They'll assemble it for you for 
$30k.

At least that was my take.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:05 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
Subject: [MBZ] OT There appears to be some sort of altered state involved here 
-- Meyers Manx Build, $1

Someone please translate

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Re: [MBZ] half the fleet has issues today

[OK Don via Mercedes]

My wife bought reader type safety glasses that she likes better than the
regular readers.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 10:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm old enough now I need readers to see what I'm doing. Though on that
> job, admittedly half of it was by feel. They aren't safety glasses, but
> they kept stuff from falling directly into my eyes.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, at 08:19, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > On 2023-08-03 00:44, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Replaced the bad alternator on the Frontier tonight. Not terrible but
> >> not a lot of room to work. Rust flaking off of everything and falling
> >> in my face was not fun either.
> >
> >
> > If it saves just one piece of road grit, or worse yet rust, from getting
> > stuck on your eyeball...
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-Safety-Goggles-Clear-Anti-Fog/dp/B094LWVDJZ
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/OXG-Anti-Fog-Protective-Protection-multicolor/dp/B0BGRPV7DJ
> >
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"Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
are wearing."

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Werner
Von Braun

"In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
doing it."
-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I would consider one for the Flagstaff house. It would be fine for running 
errands. That and have an IC vehicle for longer trips.

I'm not remotely close to that decision yet, but it's been in the back of my 
mind.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel 
via Mercedes 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; RICK HAWKINS 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
>
> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?  :-)
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I saw an Aptera driving north on I-35 in OKC years ago - sounds like they
might be getting close to production.
Aptera Motors 
If I were in the market for a new car, I'd consider one of these.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:15 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The Fisker array sort of reminds me of vapor ware.  I'll believe all these
> gee whiz vehicles when I see them on the local roads.
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:44 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Do they have orange PlasticDip on the door handles?
> >
> > -D
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan Streib
> > via Mercedes 
> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:10 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Allan Streib 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
> >
> > I think some of the Fisker cars look good, but I've never seen one in the
> > wild. Are they actually making any of them?
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 07:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
> > > sense to drive an EV for routine errands.
> > >
> > > I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.
> They
> > > have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one
> > in
> > > my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is
> that
> > >> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they
> want
> > >> grass, get the fake stuff.
> > >>
> > >> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake
> pine
> > >> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of
> > yardwork.
> > >> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >> 
> > >> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt
> > Raymond
> > >> via Mercedes 
> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
> > >>
> > >> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions
> until
> > >> near the end of May...
> > >>
> > >> -Curt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> > >> Mercedes  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow
> > and
> > >> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the
> > EV
> > >> >> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
> > >> >> ___
> > >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com
> > >> >>
> > >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> > >> >>
> > >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > OK Don
> > >> >
> > >> > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing
> > you
> > >> > are wearing."
> > >> >
> > >> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> > >> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >> >
> > >> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”
> > >> Werner
> > >> > Von Braun
> > >> >
> > >> > "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing
> it.
> > >> > In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not
> be
> > >> > doing it."
> > >> >-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and
> Engineering
> > >> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> > >>
> > >> > ___
> > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com
> > >> >
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> > >> >
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> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Make a cash Offer. No title 1994 Mercedes SL500,$1,950

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Pre-facelift R129. Avoid at all costs.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 10:54 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
Subject: [MBZ] Make a cash Offer. No title 1994 Mercedes SL500,$1,950

Was running when parked, needed throttle body work and was missing on
one cylinder from a bad plug wire. Put over $3,000 in transmission
before it was parked. Everything there, some things in better shape than
others.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/768945285028881

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Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Up until 2017 all EVs except Tesla have a range of around 75 miles.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:32 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > Other than tires the only service was a failed 12 volt battery
>
> Hmm, I first read that as _fires_, not tires.  Freudian slip much?  :-)
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The Fisker array sort of reminds me of vapor ware.  I'll believe all these
gee whiz vehicles when I see them on the local roads.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:44 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Do they have orange PlasticDip on the door handles?
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan Streib
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 9:10 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>
> I think some of the Fisker cars look good, but I've never seen one in the
> wild. Are they actually making any of them?
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 07:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
> > sense to drive an EV for routine errands.
> >
> > I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.  They
> > have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one
> in
> > my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is that
> >> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they want
> >> grass, get the fake stuff.
> >>
> >> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake pine
> >> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of
> yardwork.
> >> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
> >>
> >> -D
> >> 
> >> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt
> Raymond
> >> via Mercedes 
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
> >>
> >> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions until
> >> near the end of May...
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> >> Mercedes  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow
> and
> >> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the
> EV
> >> >> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
> >> >> ___
> >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com
> >> >>
> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > OK Don
> >> >
> >> > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing
> you
> >> > are wearing."
> >> >
> >> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >> >
> >> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> >> Werner
> >> > Von Braun
> >> >
> >> > "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
> >> > In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
> >> > doing it."
> >> >-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
> >> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >>
> >> > ___
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> >> >
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> >> >
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> >>
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[MBZ] OT There appears to be some sort of altered state involved here -- Meyers Manx Build, $1

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Someone please translate

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Re: [MBZ] 2004 SL500 - 105k miles - $14,800

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I know that neighborhood well. My former hardwood supplier is in Daleville. I 
know exactly where it is along SR 67.

As for the car, despite the Vaseline on the lens it looks nice, but I would 
avoid any SL later than 2001. This has hydropneumatic suspension (ABC) and will 
drain your wallet faster than you can imagine if it hasn't been properly cared 
for.

-D

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Subject: [MBZ] 2004 SL500 - 105k miles - $14,800

The soft focus photos double the car's value.

https://muncie.craigslist.org/cto/d/daleville-2004-mercedes-sl500/7650648116.html
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[MBZ] Make a cash Offer. No title 1994 Mercedes SL500,$1,950

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Was running when parked, needed throttle body work and was missing on 
one cylinder from a bad plug wire. Put over $3,000 in transmission 
before it was parked. Everything there, some things in better shape than 
others.


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[MBZ] 2004 SL500 - 105k miles - $14,800

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The soft focus photos double the car's value.

https://muncie.craigslist.org/cto/d/daleville-2004-mercedes-sl500/7650648116.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

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Do they have orange PlasticDip on the door handles?

-D

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Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

I think some of the Fisker cars look good, but I've never seen one in the wild. 
Are they actually making any of them?

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 07:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
> sense to drive an EV for routine errands.
>
> I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.  They
> have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one in
> my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is that
>> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they want
>> grass, get the fake stuff.
>>
>> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake pine
>> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of yardwork.
>> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
>>
>> -D
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond
>> via Mercedes 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Curt Raymond 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>>
>> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions until
>> near the end of May...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow and
>> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the EV
>> >> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
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>> >
>> > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
>> > are wearing."
>> >
>> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> >
>> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> Werner
>> > Von Braun
>> >
>> > "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
>> > In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
>> > doing it."
>> >-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
>> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I think some of the Fisker cars look good, but I've never seen one in the wild. 
Are they actually making any of them?

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, at 07:38, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
> sense to drive an EV for routine errands.
>
> I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.  They
> have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one in
> my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is that
>> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they want
>> grass, get the fake stuff.
>>
>> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake pine
>> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of yardwork.
>> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
>>
>> -D
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond
>> via Mercedes 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Curt Raymond 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>>
>> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions until
>> near the end of May...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow and
>> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the EV
>> >> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
>> >> ___
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>> >
>> > --
>> > OK Don
>> >
>> > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
>> > are wearing."
>> >
>> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> >
>> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> Werner
>> > Von Braun
>> >
>> > "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
>> > In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
>> > doing it."
>> >-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
>> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

With my massive array of solar roof panels and EV hookup, it makes more
sense to drive an EV for routine errands.

I watched the Fisker Product Vision Day show on youtube last night.  They
have some really cool vehicles about to reach the market.  The only one in
my price range is the Pear, due in 2025.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lETXC9S6S54

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is that
> grass is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they want
> grass, get the fake stuff.
>
> One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake pine
> needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of yardwork.
> It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf
>
> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions until
> near the end of May...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow and
> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
> >>
> >> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the EV
> >> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
> >> ___
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> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
> > are wearing."
> >
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Werner
> > Von Braun
> >
> > "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
> > In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
> > doing it."
> >-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I've seen the "no mow" stuff in northern AZ, but the funny thing is that grass 
is really rare there due to the climate. Most people, if they want grass, get 
the fake stuff.

One of the things I love about the place. Other than having to rake pine 
needles twice a year, there's nothing else required in the way of yardwork. 
It's mostly bunchgrass and other native plants. Natural xeriscaping.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:13 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions until near 
the end of May...

-Curt


On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote:





To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow and put 
a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
>>
>> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the EV
>> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
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> --
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>
> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
> are wearing."
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Werner
> Von Braun
>
> "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
> doing it."
>-- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!

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