Re: [MBZ] O.T. Paragon Tires

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:38:07 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Or a website like this that has a wheel/tire size calculator:
> 
> 
> Alloy Wheel & Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo
> Error
> willtheyfit.com
> [favicon-16x16.png]

Thank you for the URL, Dan.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 2005 ML 350 - 169k miles - $3,900

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

2006 i think

--FT
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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When did they switch the ML350 to the M272 engine?
> 
> Bad photos but might be OK if the engine isn't bad.
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/bloomingdale-2005-ml-350mercedes-benz/7706924111.html
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT UFO UAP

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The truth is out there.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 20:50, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> I’ve kinda gone down a rathole recently watching utubers regarding UFOs 
> and UAPs. There seems to be a lot of recent video evidence and very 
> knowledgeable and experienced people speaking out about stuff. I’m 
> maintaining some reasonable skepticism but I’m getting somewhat 
> convinced there is a lot of kinda very interesting and possibly 
> disturbing stuff out there that might be coming out soon. Or not, who 
> knows.  It’s still kinda crazy. 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn

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[MBZ] 2005 ML 350 - 169k miles - $3,900

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

When did they switch the ML350 to the M272 engine?

Bad photos but might be OK if the engine isn't bad.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/bloomingdale-2005-ml-350mercedes-benz/7706924111.html

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Re: [MBZ] Way OT UFO UAP

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm open.  Send us a link to one of the more convincing youtube videos.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 8:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’ve kinda gone down a rathole recently watching utubers regarding UFOs
> and UAPs. There seems to be a lot of recent video evidence and very
> knowledgeable and experienced people speaking out about stuff. I’m
> maintaining some reasonable skepticism but I’m getting somewhat convinced
> there is a lot of kinda very interesting and possibly disturbing stuff out
> there that might be coming out soon. Or not, who knows.  It’s still kinda
> crazy.
>
> --FT
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[MBZ] Way OT UFO UAP

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I’ve kinda gone down a rathole recently watching utubers regarding UFOs and 
UAPs. There seems to be a lot of recent video evidence and very knowledgeable 
and experienced people speaking out about stuff. I’m maintaining some 
reasonable skepticism but I’m getting somewhat convinced there is a lot of 
kinda very interesting and possibly disturbing stuff out there that might be 
coming out soon. Or not, who knows.  It’s still kinda crazy. 

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

I have ridden in a few Pintos starting in the early 1980’s. The first one was 
my sister’s then boyfriend’s 1972 runabout with a manual transmission. It was a 
good first car for him. Not long afterward, my dad got the Pinto bug and found 
a 1974 Pinto Wagon with no engine. The plan was to put a 1962 Ford Galaxy 260 
V8 engine into it, but he couldn’t obtain a title. He then found a 1972 Pinto 
wagon 2.0l automatic with a wrecked front end. The now parts car had everything 
needed to restore the wreck to family car status. My two older sisters had 
moved out, so the much larger 1975 Grand Torino wagon was sold off for some 
extra money and replaced by the fuel sipping Pinto. Mom didn’t really care to 
drive my youngest sister and I around in a brown and wood panel Pinto wagon 
with a blue front end, but she did it for well over a year until Dad found his 
next car, a 1971 Buick boat tail Riviera. Nearly 20 years later in around 2000, 
Dad got the Pinto bug once again and found a 1978 Pinto wagon, orange with a 
primer front end. After test driving it, Mom asked “you aren’t going to buy 
that ugly thing, are you?” $200 later, Dad and I were rolling down the road in 
the old Pinto. After  Dad replaced the timing belt and I installed the new cat 
converter, it ran even better! Then, about a year later, he found a $500, much 
better looking 1979 Bobcat. We put new ball joints  and suspension bushings on 
it and bombed it around until the next one popped up, a 1980 Pinto Wagon with 
80K original miles! All of these were the later 2.3L engines with manual 
transmissions. It was the nicest of all of them. My guide dog, Joel didn’t like 
getting into these old Pintos, and he would slide around in the back no matter 
what kind of mats we tried. Then, we found a much more suitable vehicle, a 1987 
Voyager van. Joel had the back seat all to himself, but he wasn’t truly 
comfortable until I took the leap and purchased our first Diesel Mercedes, a 
1978 300D. He would lie on the back seat with his head facing the passenger 
rear door, and he would rest his chin on the door armrest and go to sleep with 
his nose poking forward between the door panel and the grab handle. I wish he 
would have made his automotive tastes known much sooner!!!

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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:57 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it was 
> the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.
> 
> So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade so 
> he decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its 
> being junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
> After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion, 
> stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes later 
> a big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs even 
> better, better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All the power 
> a Pinto could possibly have.
> 
> Literally blew the carbon out...
> 
> IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't 
> remember exactly.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:06:19 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to 
>> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
>>> --FT
 On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s 
 seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!
 
 [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 for sale by owner - Flagstaff, AZ - 
 craigslist
 flagstaff.craigslist.org
 -D
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

In fact, I’d be hard pressed to pick one I wouldn’t mind having a pristine 
sample of. 

AZBob

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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 5:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Careful, there.
> 
> One thing your Dad has going for him - he’s consistent!
> 
> My first car, despite having driven a bunch of VW Beetles, was a 1970 light 
> blue Ford Maverick two-door. Very spartan, as they were, with a heater, bench 
> seat (nice!!), and an AM radio. Three on the tree, venerable 170 CI inline 
> six, weird power-assisted steering. I think I had it for about six months 
> until I lost control driving on an icy road near my house and planted it 
> firmly into the base of a very large tree, which to it’s testament, is still 
> alive today. The tree, that is.
> 
> The guy I worked for when I was in trade school had an early/mid-60s Comet 
> that had belonged to his mother, G-d rest her soul. We used it for running 
> parts. “Spartan” was not an adjective that properly described that car. I 
> recall it having a HUGE steering wheel and (of course) no power steering. I 
> don’t think it had a radio. Great car, really solid, but very, uh, stark.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 6:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My dad and my uncle were cursing how expensive cars are today and how things 
>> were better "back in the day."
>> 
>> I pointed out that any cheap crap car you buy today will last 10 years and 
>> 200,000 miles with just basic maintenance while "Those good cars" were junk 
>> at 5-7 years.
>> 
>> For example, my folks bought a brand new Mercury Lynx (Ford Escort) in 1983. 
>> By 1988 it was junk, the body had rusted "to the windshield" as they say in 
>> Maine. The engine would quit every time you drove in the rain. It'd start 
>> and go fine for about 5 minutes, then just quit. Roll to a stop, wait 5 
>> minutes and it was good to go the rest of the day. "Good car" my ass.
>> 
>> Of course my dad has the absolute worst taste in cars. He had (in no 
>> particular order) an Maverick, the same generation Comet, Pinto, Vega, the 
>> Lynx and 2 Tempos... All crap.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 02:58:03 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My co-worker at the USGS bought a new 1977 Ford Maverick, to go with his
>> 1976 TR7.  Both cars were absolute POSes (POSs?).
>> 
>> Whereas my 1976 Chevette - purchased at full list price of $3660 - lasted
>> with no real issues for 7 years.  Sold it to the trash guys for $350 and we
>> purchased our first Mercedes, a 1973 280, for $4700.  Sold the 280 a year
>> later for $4850.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior
>>> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>>> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
>>> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
>>> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
>>> mileage.
>>> 
>>> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver,
>>> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father
>>> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two
>>> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
>>> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it
>>> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
>>> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The
>>> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom
>>> was flaking.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
 
 < Hi, Dan! >
 
 Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange
>>> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local
>>> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went
>>> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out
>>> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way
>>> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his
>>> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete
>>> curb.
 
 Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full
>>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young
>>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car.
>>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
>>> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
>>> to big brother.
 
 I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires.
>>> ?
 
 

Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Careful, there.

One thing your Dad has going for him - he’s consistent!

My first car, despite having driven a bunch of VW Beetles, was a 1970 light 
blue Ford Maverick two-door. Very spartan, as they were, with a heater, bench 
seat (nice!!), and an AM radio. Three on the tree, venerable 170 CI inline six, 
weird power-assisted steering. I think I had it for about six months until I 
lost control driving on an icy road near my house and planted it firmly into 
the base of a very large tree, which to it’s testament, is still alive today. 
The tree, that is.

The guy I worked for when I was in trade school had an early/mid-60s Comet that 
had belonged to his mother, G-d rest her soul. We used it for running parts. 
“Spartan” was not an adjective that properly described that car. I recall it 
having a HUGE steering wheel and (of course) no power steering. I don’t think 
it had a radio. Great car, really solid, but very, uh, stark.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 6:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My dad and my uncle were cursing how expensive cars are today and how things 
> were better "back in the day."
> 
> I pointed out that any cheap crap car you buy today will last 10 years and 
> 200,000 miles with just basic maintenance while "Those good cars" were junk 
> at 5-7 years.
> 
> For example, my folks bought a brand new Mercury Lynx (Ford Escort) in 1983. 
> By 1988 it was junk, the body had rusted "to the windshield" as they say in 
> Maine. The engine would quit every time you drove in the rain. It'd start and 
> go fine for about 5 minutes, then just quit. Roll to a stop, wait 5 minutes 
> and it was good to go the rest of the day. "Good car" my ass.
> 
> Of course my dad has the absolute worst taste in cars. He had (in no 
> particular order) an Maverick, the same generation Comet, Pinto, Vega, the 
> Lynx and 2 Tempos... All crap.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 02:58:03 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My co-worker at the USGS bought a new 1977 Ford Maverick, to go with his
> 1976 TR7.  Both cars were absolute POSes (POSs?).
> 
> Whereas my 1976 Chevette - purchased at full list price of $3660 - lasted
> with no real issues for 7 years.  Sold it to the trash guys for $350 and we
> purchased our first Mercedes, a 1973 280, for $4700.  Sold the 280 a year
> later for $4850.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior
>> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
>> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
>> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
>> mileage.
>> 
>> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver,
>> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father
>> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two
>> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
>> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it
>> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
>> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The
>> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom
>> was flaking.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
>>> 
>>> < Hi, Dan! >
>>> 
>>> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange
>> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local
>> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went
>> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out
>> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way
>> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his
>> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete
>> curb.
>>> 
>>> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full
>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young
>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car.
>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
>> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
>> to big brother.
>>> 
>>> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires.
>> ?
>>> 
>>> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in
>> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in
>> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and
>> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was
>> as good as new. I went 

Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hideous. Everything that was wrong with American cars during the malaise era.

-Curt




On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 03:54:03 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





On 12/01/2024 2:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
> than it's better than walking.
>
Now, come on - it wasn't that bad. It was actually quite stylish 
compared to the 4 door and it had a decent cloth interior with bucket seats.

It was quite enjoyable to drive and I would have kept it much longer 
except for the fact that the one I had did not have undercoating of any 
sort and had been subjected to road salt in the winters before I got it 
from my mother.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mercury_Zephyr_Z7.jpg


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Paragon Tires

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

This is sort of funny, as the MLs have wheels/tires that look almost as comical 
as the old 14” bundts on the W126 sedans did, too. My ML550 is the same - even 
with the optional 19” wheels and tires they still look lost in the wheel wells.

Sort of like the deal with the monoblocks I bought in Orlando last week - 
they’re 18” staggered wheels, 8.5” in the front, 9.5” in the rear, but they put 
the same profile tire on all four wheels. Since the diameter is the same, no 
foul, but how does this affect performance? Less contact area? That’s what I’m 
thinking is a possibility, but even so, it has to be marginal at best.

???

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 12:26 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 245/65R17 is what he put on. Everything I read I read says either 255/60R17 
> or 275/55R17. 
> This means small diameter, slighter wider, yes? 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like they are pretty good.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:00 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone had any experience with Paragon tires? The ML350’s PO put a 
>>> fresh set on before I bought it.
>>> Paragon looks like it’s a made in ‘Merica company with very decent reviews. 
>>> The tires certainly rode well, have almost zero road noise, and did well in 
>>> the rain and snow I drove through.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My dad and my uncle were cursing how expensive cars are today and how things 
were better "back in the day."

I pointed out that any cheap crap car you buy today will last 10 years and 
200,000 miles with just basic maintenance while "Those good cars" were junk at 
5-7 years.

For example, my folks bought a brand new Mercury Lynx (Ford Escort) in 1983. By 
1988 it was junk, the body had rusted "to the windshield" as they say in Maine. 
The engine would quit every time you drove in the rain. It'd start and go fine 
for about 5 minutes, then just quit. Roll to a stop, wait 5 minutes and it was 
good to go the rest of the day. "Good car" my ass.

Of course my dad has the absolute worst taste in cars. He had (in no particular 
order) an Maverick, the same generation Comet, Pinto, Vega, the Lynx and 2 
Tempos... All crap.

-Curt


On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 02:58:03 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





My co-worker at the USGS bought a new 1977 Ford Maverick, to go with his
1976 TR7.  Both cars were absolute POSes (POSs?).

Whereas my 1976 Chevette - purchased at full list price of $3660 - lasted
with no real issues for 7 years.  Sold it to the trash guys for $350 and we
purchased our first Mercedes, a 1973 280, for $4700.  Sold the 280 a year
later for $4850.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior
> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
> mileage.
>
> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver,
> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father
> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two
> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it
> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The
> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom
> was flaking.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
> >
> > < Hi, Dan! >
> >
> > Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange
> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local
> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went
> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out
> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way
> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his
> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete
> curb.
> >
> > Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full
> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young
> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car.
> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
> to big brother.
> >
> > I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires.
> ?
> >
> > Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in
> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in
> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and
> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was
> as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case,
> as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway
> without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to
> reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
> >
> > I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly
> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very
> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of
> the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing
> some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
> >
> > Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got
> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling
> it at the time.
> >
> > -D
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Paragon Tires

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Or a website like this that has a wheel/tire size calculator:


Alloy Wheel & Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo 
Error
willtheyfit.com
[favicon-16x16.png]


-D

On Jan 12, 2024, at 5:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 12:40:12 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:

I thought the higher aspect ratio was "taller"?

Higher aspect ratio is taller.


245/65R17 is what he put on.

245 mm width
245 * 0.65 = 159.25 mm height
17 * 25.4 + 2(159.25) = 750.3 mm overall diameter (29.54")


Everything I read I read says either
255/60R17

255 mm width
255 * 0.60 = 153 mm height
17 * 25.4 + 2(153) = 737.8 mm overall diameter (29.047")


or 275/55R17.

275 mm width
275 * 0.55 = 151.25 mm height
17 * 25.4 + 2(151.25) = 734.3 mm overall diameter (28.91")


One could use the above information to figure speedometer error,
but it would be best to go to manufacturers' websites to find the
"revs per mile" for each tire.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Paragon Tires

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 12:40:12 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I thought the higher aspect ratio was "taller"?

Higher aspect ratio is taller.


> > 245/65R17 is what he put on.

245 mm width
245 * 0.65 = 159.25 mm height
17 * 25.4 + 2(159.25) = 750.3 mm overall diameter (29.54")


> Everything I read I read says either 
> 255/60R17

255 mm width
255 * 0.60 = 153 mm height
17 * 25.4 + 2(153) = 737.8 mm overall diameter (29.047")


> or 275/55R17.

275 mm width
275 * 0.55 = 151.25 mm height
17 * 25.4 + 2(151.25) = 734.3 mm overall diameter (28.91")


One could use the above information to figure speedometer error,
but it would be best to go to manufacturers' websites to find the
"revs per mile" for each tire.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Lee Iacocca’s “K-car.” Stole the font for the trunk badging right out from 
under MB.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 4:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> At some point Chrysler (I think) copied the Mercedes styling almost exactly, 
> down to the font of the trunk badge model number and placing their pentagram 
> where the star would be. I always wondered how they got away with it.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:55, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us 
>> around as it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, 
>>> other than it's better than walking.
>>> 
 On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it
 was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he
 was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at
 the time.
 
 -D
 
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior 
> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what 
> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the 
> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel 
> mileage.
> 
> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father 
> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two 
> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother 
> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it 
> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no 
> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The 
> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom 
> was flaking.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
>> 
>> < Hi, Dan! >
>> 
>> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange 
>> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local 
>> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it 
>> went to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a 
>> night out with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it 
>> the wrong way down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon 
>> realizing his direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. 
>> Into a 12” concrete curb.
>> 
>> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, 
>> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some 
>> consideration to big brother.
>> 
>> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
>> ?
>> 
>> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in 
>> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit 
>> in the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me 
>> $200 and a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, 
>> and it was as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and 
>> pleaded my case, as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold 
>> it to me anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so 
>> big brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
>> 
>> I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
>> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, 
>> very popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in 
>> Capris of the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, 
>> even placing some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It 
>> ran quite well.
>> 
>> Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got 
>> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems 
>> selling it at the time.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] more on sunroofs

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

In my haste to go over the ML550 when I considered it for purchase, I forgot to 
check the sunroof operation. After purchasing it and going over things in 
general, I discovered that it didn’t work. Not a big deal to me as I never use 
a sunroof when I have one. I like the W163s because they have wing windows in 
the back, I use those all the time.

Anyway, I started digging around as I had to replace the upper console because 
the plastic had gotten brittle on it. I found the sunroof motor unplugged, so I 
plugged it in and could hear it turning in both directions when I moved the 
switch. But - the sunroof either didn’t or just barely moved.

Long story short, the geartrain, which is nylon or plastic, has grenaded. And 
even better, the sunroof mechanism/frame/etc. and all, is ONE ASSEMBLY.

When I last checked the price it was about $1,000 my cost from the dealer. Add 
to the fun, the headliner has to come out. But! I needed a new headliner 
anyway, and my upholstery shop is about three blocks from the dealership.

NOPE.

I used a hex driver to get the sunroof panel properly adjusted to avoid any 
wind noise and left the motor disconnected. Still planning my headliner 
replacement in February, but that’s it. No replacement sunroof mechanism.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 12:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My elder son has a late model Toyota Rav4. Not certain of year but 
> essentially new. They bought it new, had to wait for one to come in to the 
> dealer and have had it maybe a year or a bit more.
> 
> Back in maybe October, the glass in the sunroof broke.  They initially 
> thought it might be vandalism, but it is likely just one of those cases where 
> glass decides to blow.
> 
> They finally were able to get it fixed in December. Glass places wouldn't 
> touch it - said it was too complex. The dealer had to do it but there were no 
> available parts. They finally got the parts. Apparently, the glass cannot be 
> replaced and the whole unit has to be changed out.
> 
> Insurance covered it to the tune of $7,500.
> 
> I don't like a sunroof anyway but this is just one more reason to avoid them.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 12/01/2024 3:16 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

At some point Chrysler (I think) copied the Mercedes styling almost exactly, 
down to the font of the trunk badge model number and placing their pentagram 
where the star would be. I always wondered how they got away with it.

Lexus went down that road too. The big 4 door sedan around 2000 really 
looked like a Mercedes to me.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I still have my one and only Mercedes and you folks have heard all about 
it more than once.


Randy


On 12/01/2024 3:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

It might be amusing if each of us wrote a brief essay about their FIRST
Mercedes, either to purchase or as a family car.




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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It might be amusing if each of us wrote a brief essay about their FIRST
Mercedes, either to purchase or as a family car.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 4:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> At some point Chrysler (I think) copied the Mercedes styling almost
> exactly, down to the font of the trunk badge model number and placing their
> pentagram where the star would be. I always wondered how they got away with
> it.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:55, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> > My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us
> > around as it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> >> On Jan 12, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way,
> other than it's better than walking.
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it
> >>> was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he
> >>> was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at
> >>> the time.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> > On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black
> interior - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>  I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
> mileage.
> 
>  The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car &
> Driver, maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My
> father had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 -
> two tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it to
> me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The body
> and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom was
> flaking.
> 
>  Randy
> 
> 
>  On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
> >
> > < Hi, Dan! >
> >
> > Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright
> orange with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the
> local Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then
> it went to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a
> night out with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the
> wrong way down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon
> realizing his direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into
> a 12” concrete curb.
> >
> > Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school
> full time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most
> young couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a
> car. Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
> to big brother.
> >
> > I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front
> tires. ?
> >
> > Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in
> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in
> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and
> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was
> as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case,
> as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway
> without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to
> reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
> >
> > I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable,
> certainly spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great
> mill, very popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in
> Capris of the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even
> placing some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite
> well.
> >
> > Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I
> got rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems
> selling it at the time.
> >
> > -D
> >
> 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

At some point Chrysler (I think) copied the Mercedes styling almost exactly, 
down to the font of the trunk badge model number and placing their pentagram 
where the star would be. I always wondered how they got away with it.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:55, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us 
> around as it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded. 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
>> than it's better than walking.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it
>>> was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he
>>> was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at
>>> the time.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior - 
 automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
 I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what 
 happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the 
 yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel 
 mileage.
 
 The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
 maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father 
 had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two 
 tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother 
 learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it 
 to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no 
 undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The 
 body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom 
 was flaking.
 
 Randy
 
 
 On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
> 
> < Hi, Dan! >
> 
> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange 
> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local 
> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it 
> went to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a 
> night out with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it 
> the wrong way down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon 
> realizing his direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. 
> Into a 12” concrete curb.
> 
> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, 
> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some 
> consideration to big brother.
> 
> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
> ?
> 
> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in 
> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in 
> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 
> and a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it 
> was as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my 
> case, as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me 
> anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big 
> brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
> 
> I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very 
> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris 
> of the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even 
> placing some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran 
> quite well.
> 
> Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got 
> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling 
> it at the time.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 12/01/2024 2:55 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us around as 
it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded.

--FT


I had a 1977 Mercury Monarch 2 dr. It looked nice - White with a white 
half vinyl top and the opera windows. Red interior - bucket seats etc. 
We bought it new and kept it a long time but it was not a great car. The 
Zephyr I referred to earlier was better in many ways. It was a few years 
newer and had rack and pinion steering and handled quite well.


The Monarch handled poorly. It had the old style power steering with the 
hydraulic cylinder attached to the linkage rather than the newer style 
with the actual power steering box. I think I rebuilt the linkage where 
the cylinder attached to a ball type joint 3 times. The rest of the car 
was OK. The engine and transmission were fine and it did not rust badly. 
It was just not much fun to drive.


Randy



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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My buddy in college had a Granada. Looks like a Mercedes!  It got us around as 
it had room for 6. I think at some point it just imploded. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
> than it's better than walking.
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it
>> was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he
>> was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at
>> the time.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior - 
>>> automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>>> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what happened 
>>> to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the yard. It was 
>>> not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel mileage.
>>> 
>>> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
>>> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father had 
>>> the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two tone 
>>> grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother learned to 
>>> drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it to me and I 
>>> drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no undercoating on 
>>> it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The body and interior 
>>> did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom was flaking.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
 
 < Hi, Dan! >
 
 Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange 
 with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local 
 Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it 
 went to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night 
 out with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong 
 way down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his 
 direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” 
 concrete curb.
 
 Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
 time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
 couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
 Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, 
 too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration 
 to big brother.
 
 I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
 ?
 
 Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in 
 Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in 
 the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 
 and a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it 
 was as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my 
 case, as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me 
 anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big 
 brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
 
 I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
 spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very 
 popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of 
 the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing 
 some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
 
 Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got 
 rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling 
 it at the time.
 
 -D
 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

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On 12/01/2024 2:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
than it's better than walking.

Now, come on - it wasn't that bad. It was actually quite stylish 
compared to the 4 door and it had a decent cloth interior with bucket seats.


It was quite enjoyable to drive and I would have kept it much longer 
except for the fact that the one I had did not have undercoating of any 
sort and had been subjected to road salt in the winters before I got it 
from my mother.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mercury_Zephyr_Z7.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

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There is really nothing at all redeeming about a Fairmont in any way, other 
than it's better than walking.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 15:19, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it 
> was butt ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he 
> was still living at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at 
> the time.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior - 
>> automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
>> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what happened 
>> to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the yard. It was 
>> not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel mileage.
>> 
>> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
>> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father had 
>> the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two tone 
>> grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother learned to 
>> drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it to me and I 
>> drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no undercoating on 
>> it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The body and interior did 
>> not look like it had ever been used but the bottom was flaking.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
>>> 
>>> < Hi, Dan! >
>>> 
>>> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange 
>>> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local 
>>> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went 
>>> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out 
>>> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way 
>>> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his 
>>> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete 
>>> curb.
>>> 
>>> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
>>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
>>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
>>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, 
>>> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration 
>>> to big brother.
>>> 
>>> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in 
>>> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in 
>>> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and 
>>> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was 
>>> as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case, 
>>> as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway 
>>> without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to 
>>> reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
>>> 
>>> I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
>>> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very 
>>> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of 
>>> the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing 
>>> some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
>>> 
>>> Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got 
>>> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling 
>>> it at the time.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Big brother’s Ford Fairmont was a two-door model as well. I thought it was butt 
ugly. I don’t recall much about it, as I don’t even think he was still living 
at home by that point. I rarely saw him or the car at the time.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior - 
> automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what happened 
> to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the yard. It was 
> not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel mileage.
> 
> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father had 
> the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two tone grey 
> with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother learned to drive 
> on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it to me and I drove if 
> for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no undercoating on it and it 
> was rusting something fierce underneath. The body and interior did not look 
> like it had ever been used but the bottom was flaking.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
>> 
>> < Hi, Dan! >
>> 
>> Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange with 
>> the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local Ford 
>> dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went to my 
>> older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out with the 
>> guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way down a 
>> one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his direction 
>> conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete curb.
>> 
>> Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full 
>> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young 
>> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. 
>> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, too!) 
>> and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration to big 
>> brother.
>> 
>> I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. 
>> ?
>> 
>> Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in Indianapolis. 
>> The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in the right front 
>> corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and a day for them 
>> to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was as good as new. I 
>> went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case, as in big brother 
>> knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway without disclosing the 
>> damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to reimburse me for the 
>> repairs. Yeah!
>> 
>> I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly 
>> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very 
>> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of 
>> the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing 
>> some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
>> 
>> Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got rid 
>> of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling it at 
>> the time.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My co-worker at the USGS bought a new 1977 Ford Maverick, to go with his
1976 TR7.  Both cars were absolute POSes (POSs?).

Whereas my 1976 Chevette - purchased at full list price of $3660 - lasted
with no real issues for 7 years.  Sold it to the trash guys for $350 and we
purchased our first Mercedes, a 1973 280, for $4700.  Sold the 280 a year
later for $4850.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior
> - automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
> I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what
> happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the
> yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel
> mileage.
>
> The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver,
> maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father
> had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two
> tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother
> learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it
> to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no
> undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The
> body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom
> was flaking.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.
> >
> > < Hi, Dan! >
> >
> > Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange
> with the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local
> Ford dealer. She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went
> to my older brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out
> with the guys from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way
> down a one-way street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his
> direction conflicted with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete
> curb.
> >
> > Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full
> time, and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young
> couples, we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car.
> Brother has bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that,
> too!) and did not need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration
> to big brother.
> >
> > I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires.
> ?
> >
> > Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in
> Indianapolis. The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in
> the right front corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and
> a day for them to put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was
> as good as new. I went to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case,
> as in big brother knew the car was defective but sold it to me anyway
> without disclosing the damage. Dad ruled in my favor, so big brother had to
> reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!
> >
> > I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly
> spartan, and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very
> popular amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of
> the same vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing
> some baffles in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.
> >
> > Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got
> rid of it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling
> it at the time.
> >
> > -D
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My father had the Mercury version - A Bobcat. Bright red, black interior 
- automatic which meant it was pretty weak.
I think it was still around when my father died. I don't know what 
happened to it. Mother must have sold it or given it away to clear the 
yard. It was not a wonderful car but my father always liked good fuel 
mileage.


The Ford Fairmont was not awful. One of the car magazines (Car & Driver, 
maybe) said it was akin to a domestic Volvo. Very simple car. My father 
had the 2 door Mercury version - a 1983 Zephyr - inline 200 CID 6 - two 
tone grey with a red interior. It was new when he died and my mother 
learned to drive on it as she had never had a licence. She later gave it 
to me and I drove if for about 6 months. Unfortunately it came with no 
undercoating on it and it was rusting something fierce underneath. The 
body and interior did not look like it had ever been used but the bottom 
was flaking.


Randy


On 12/01/2024 1:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.

< Hi, Dan! >

Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange with 
the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local Ford dealer. 
She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went to my older 
brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out with the guys 
from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way down a one-way 
street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his direction conflicted 
with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete curb.

Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full time, 
and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young couples, 
we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. Brother has 
bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, too!) and did not 
need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration to big brother.

I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. ?

Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in Indianapolis. 
The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in the right front 
corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and a day for them to 
put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was as good as new. I went 
to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case, as in big brother knew the 
car was defective but sold it to me anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad 
ruled in my favor, so big brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!

I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly spartan, 
and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very popular 
amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of the same 
vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing some baffles 
in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.

Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got rid of 
it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling it at the 
time.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] No title but it’s not stolen ,- I got scammed on this car and I’m just done dealing with it. 2008 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 550 Sedan 4D,$1,500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Could be something as simple as a battery, starter, relay, etc.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 12:46 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1336671113705883
>
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Re: [MBZ] Green/green/duct tape -- 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450sel, $7, 500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Rare color and very pretty, but the unresolved issues will be pricey and
time consuming to correct.  Exhaust and seats will cost at least $4k.
Offer $4500.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 12:44 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> This could look really luscious
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/239220595876581
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Re: [MBZ] W163 Sunroof Wind Deflector Arms

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Same issue with my '85 300SD.   One side was available but the other had to
come from the Vaterland.  Tricky business.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 12:42 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Is this something amenable to Shoe-Goo?
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 12:28, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > Might be tough to find the needed plastic clips in a boneyard in AZ.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >> Used parts from a salvage yard?
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Pair of SDLs 1986 Mercedes-Benz 300sdl,$500

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Holy cow.  That cream beige (champignon) leather interior is too good to
waste. I could use a set of those floor mats.  I wonder what's missing?

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 12:40 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> No title No questions, come get it
>
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

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Hi everyone, my name is Dan and I’m a former Pinto owner.

< Hi, Dan! >

Mom got a brand-new 1971-1/2 Pinto full window hatchback, bright orange with 
the great 2.0l 4 cylinder engine, four-speed stick, from the local Ford dealer. 
She drove it uneventfully until about 1977 or so. Then it went to my older 
brother, who is the antithesis of a “car guy”. On a night out with the guys 
from the office, while inebriated, he drove it the wrong way down a one-way 
street in downtown Indianapolis, and upon realizing his direction conflicted 
with traffic, he made a hard turn. Into a 12” concrete curb.

Fast forward to around 1980. I’m recently married, going to school full time, 
and working, too. Mrs. Dan is working as well, but like most young couples, 
we’re scraping by. For reasons I don’t recall, I needed a car. Brother has 
bought a Ford Fairmont (yeah, I laughed when I heard that, too!) and did not 
need the Pinto, so it comes to me for some consideration to big brother.

I drive it for about a month and almost go through a set of front tires. ?

Take it to Church Brothers, a very good body and frame shop in Indianapolis. 
The verdict is that the frame is tweaked from a hard hit in the right front 
corner (that concrete curb did not yield.) Cost me $200 and a day for them to 
put the car on their unibody alignment rack, and it was as good as new. I went 
to the Powers That Be, our Dad, and pleaded my case, as in big brother knew the 
car was defective but sold it to me anyway without disclosing the damage. Dad 
ruled in my favor, so big brother had to reimburse me for the repairs. Yeah!

I drove it for a couple of years. Great car, very reliable, certainly spartan, 
and economical as heck. The 2000cc engine was a great mill, very popular 
amongst the rally Ford Capri crowd, as they were used in Capris of the same 
vintage. I polished and ported the head and intake, even placing some baffles 
in the intake plenum to enhance airflow. It ran quite well.

Ford chased me down for the recall on the gas tank not long before I got rid of 
it. Don’t recall the details, but I know I had no problems selling it at the 
time.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:57 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it was 
> the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.
> 
> So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade so 
> he decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its 
> being junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
> After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion, 
> stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes later 
> a big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs even 
> better, better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All the power 
> a Pinto could possibly have.
> 
> Literally blew the carbon out...
> 
> IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't 
> remember exactly.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:06:19 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to 
>> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s 
 seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

When my dad was at Harvard he got so sick of driving in Boston that one day he 
just parked on some side street and walked away. He never heard anything more 
about it and had no idea what happened to the car.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 13:04, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> When I was at MIT in late 70s there was a guy in my program from NYC 
> who had this completely rusted out yellow pinto that was wheezing and 
> dying and basically just falling apart. He tried to sell it for $100 
> and had no takers. He parked it on the street in a bad ‘hood close by, 
> window down key in it, and it didn’t even get stolen or stripped. It 
> was that bad. 
>
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

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When I was at MIT in late 70s there was a guy in my program from NYC who had 
this completely rusted out yellow pinto that was wheezing and dying and 
basically just falling apart. He tried to sell it for $100 and had no takers. 
He parked it on the street in a bad ‘hood close by, window down key in it, and 
it didn’t even get stolen or stripped. It was that bad. 

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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:27 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I-talian tuneup.  :)
> Friend of mine had a Pinto with, I kid you not, Firestone 500 tires.  I
> flat out turned down ride offers...
> -MMM-
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 9:57 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it
>> was the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.
>> 
>> So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade
>> so he decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its
>> being junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
>> After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion,
>> stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes
>> later a big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs
>> even better, better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All
>> the power a Pinto could possibly have.
>> 
>> Literally blew the carbon out...
>> 
>> IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't
>> remember exactly.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:06:19 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to
>> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
 
 --FT
 
> On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the
>> driver’s seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent,
>> too!!
> 
> <
>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-2002-mercedes-benz-clk430/7706582771.html
>>> 
> [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 for sale by owner - Flagstaff, AZ -
>> craigslist<
>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-2002-mercedes-benz-clk430/7706582771.html
>>> 
> flagstaff.craigslist.org<
>> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-2002-mercedes-benz-clk430/7706582771.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Torpedo Tender

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Not far but it’s on the other side of the creek in the Wadmalaw marsh

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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 12:40 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 00:16:52 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
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>> So some shady dude parked this thing in the creek last year just down
>> the road (creek?) close to my buddy’s house.
> 
> So how close is this to the vast southern estate?
> 
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[MBZ] No title but it’s not stolen ,- I got scammed on this car and I’m just done dealing with it. 2008 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 550 Sedan 4D,$1,500

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[MBZ] Green/green/duct tape -- 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450sel,$7,500

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This could look really luscious

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Re: [MBZ] more on sunroofs

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Yes glass adds another level of potential issues. I don't even like the solid 
metal ones.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 12:38, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> My elder son has a late model Toyota Rav4. Not certain of year but 
> essentially new. They bought it new, had to wait for one to come in to 
> the dealer and have had it maybe a year or a bit more.
>
> Back in maybe October, the glass in the sunroof broke.  They initially 
> thought it might be vandalism, but it is likely just one of those cases 
> where glass decides to blow.
>
> They finally were able to get it fixed in December. Glass places 
> wouldn't touch it - said it was too complex. The dealer had to do it but 
> there were no available parts. They finally got the parts. Apparently, 
> the glass cannot be replaced and the whole unit has to be changed out.
>
> Insurance covered it to the tune of $7,500.
>
> I don't like a sunroof anyway but this is just one more reason to avoid 
> them.
>
> Randy

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Re: [MBZ] W163 Sunroof Wind Deflector Arms

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Is this something amenable to Shoe-Goo?

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 12:28, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Might be tough to find the needed plastic clips in a boneyard in AZ. 
>
> AZBob
>
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>>> 
>> Used parts from a salvage yard?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Paragon Tires

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I thought the higher aspect ratio was "taller"?

So a 65R17 would be taller (larger external diameter) than a 60 or 55R17.

This means your speedo/odo readings will be slightly low, also.

And 245 is a narrower tire than the others. That will theoretically give you 
better snow performance by putting more weight on the contact patch, but worse 
dry grip since the contact patch is smaller.

I'm not sure any of that is worth replacing brand-new tires.



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> 245/65R17 is what he put on. Everything I read I read says either 
> 255/60R17 or 275/55R17. 
> This means small diameter, slighter wider, yes? 
>
> AZBob
>
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>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like they are pretty good.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:00 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone had any experience with Paragon tires? The ML350’s PO put a 
>>> fresh set on before I bought it.
>>> Paragon looks like it’s a made in ‘Merica company with very decent reviews. 
>>> The tires certainly rode well, have almost zero road noise, and did well in 
>>> the rain and snow I drove through.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
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[MBZ] Pair of SDLs 1986 Mercedes-Benz 300sdl,$500

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No title No questions, come get it

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[MBZ] more on sunroofs

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My elder son has a late model Toyota Rav4. Not certain of year but 
essentially new. They bought it new, had to wait for one to come in to 
the dealer and have had it maybe a year or a bit more.


Back in maybe October, the glass in the sunroof broke.  They initially 
thought it might be vandalism, but it is likely just one of those cases 
where glass decides to blow.


They finally were able to get it fixed in December. Glass places 
wouldn't touch it - said it was too complex. The dealer had to do it but 
there were no available parts. They finally got the parts. Apparently, 
the glass cannot be replaced and the whole unit has to be changed out.


Insurance covered it to the tune of $7,500.

I don't like a sunroof anyway but this is just one more reason to avoid 
them.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] W163 Sunroof Wind Deflector Arms

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On 12/01/2024 11:28 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Might be tough to find the needed plastic clips in a boneyard in AZ.

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Used parts from a salvage yard?

Randy



But there are folks on this forum from various parts of the USA.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] W163 Sunroof Wind Deflector Arms

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Might be tough to find the needed plastic clips in a boneyard in AZ. 

AZBob

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>> 
> Used parts from a salvage yard?
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Paragon Tires

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245/65R17 is what he put on. Everything I read I read says either 255/60R17 or 
275/55R17. 
This means small diameter, slighter wider, yes? 

AZBob

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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Sounds like they are pretty good.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:00 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone had any experience with Paragon tires? The ML350’s PO put a 
>> fresh set on before I bought it.
>> Paragon looks like it’s a made in ‘Merica company with very decent reviews. 
>> The tires certainly rode well, have almost zero road noise, and did well in 
>> the rain and snow I drove through.
>> 
>> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] OT Torpedo Tender

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On 11/01/2024 11:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

So some shady dude parked this thing in the creek last year just down the road 
(creek?) close to my buddy’s house.  Unclear how that works but there you go. I 
don’t think it has been operated at all, just tied up. I’m not quite sure of 
the history but apparently it broke free in the storm recently and has run 
aground in the pluff mud (which is like sticky glue). Some history with the CG 
about it.  He’s not an American citizen and it’s tittled in his daughter’s name 
which complicates matters. Unclear what the disposition will be at this point. 
I guess it will have to wait for a king tide to try to float it off.

Always fun times on the fringe of America.


So, check out the rules on Salvage. Maybe you get a free boat.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 2021 AMG GT 63 - 26k miles - $85,000

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Could be but those things have depreciated fast.  It looks like a fodo 
too so that reduces the value.  For the year I would expect it to be 
quite a bit more,  2016-2017 coupés (actual tudors) are going high 60s 
to 70s, some pushing 80, but depending on any issues this might not be 
unrealistic.  My buddy bought his 2016 for low 50s, it had been a lemon 
buyback for what appeared to be kinda nonsense reasons, but it went to 
auction and got bought cheap. Todd basically rebuilt the whole thing 
anyway and has added a lot of the tech that was on 2021 and later cars 
so it is a bit of a Frahnkenschteen car but has 1100hp (detuned) and the 
drivetrain to handle it.


It would be interesting to see if that one is actually available or not.

--FT

On 1/12/24 11:12 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Probably a scam, ad is low-effort and similar cars list at about 1.5x that 
price.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2021-mercedes-benz/7706662406.html
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Re: [MBZ] W163 Sunroof Wind Deflector Arms

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 12/01/2024 7:33 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

It appears the air deflector and its piece parts are NLA. I’ve read most people 
just delete the whole shooting match.
Would the air flow/sound be greatly increased with the delete?
But I guess it’s a moot point if parts can’t be had.

AZBob


Used parts from a salvage yard?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Paragon Tires

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Sounds like they are pretty good. 


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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:00 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> Has anyone had any experience with Paragon tires? The ML350’s PO put a fresh 
> set on before I bought it.
> Paragon looks like it’s a made in ‘Merica company with very decent reviews. 
> The tires certainly rode well, have almost zero road noise, and did well in 
> the rain and snow I drove through.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Paragon Tires

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I've never heard of them. But I would not call myself a student of tire 
manufacturers, by any means.

If they are quiet and do well in the wet and snow, that's better than most of 
the tires my cars have had.



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> fresh set on before I bought it. 
> Paragon looks like it’s a made in ‘Merica company with very decent 
> reviews. The tires certainly rode well, have almost zero road noise, 
> and did well in the rain and snow I drove through. 
>
> AZBob 
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[MBZ] O.T. Paragon Tires

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Has anyone had any experience with Paragon tires? The ML350’s PO put a fresh 
set on before I bought it. 
Paragon looks like it’s a made in ‘Merica company with very decent reviews. The 
tires certainly rode well, have almost zero road noise, and did well in the 
rain and snow I drove through. 

AZBob 

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Re: [MBZ] "Very little rust overall"

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Me too.  It's DB 624 "Gelb" (yellow), often mistaken for "Helios Gelb" (sun
yellow), which was not offered on 1975 models.
https://www.paintscratch.com/cgi-bin/select-color.cgi

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>
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> > <
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> >
> > [00909_50dXuae4FHK_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> > 1975 mercedes-benz 240d diesel for sale by owner - Sarasota, FL -
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

I-talian tuneup.  :)
Friend of mine had a Pinto with, I kid you not, Firestone 500 tires.  I
flat out turned down ride offers...
-MMM-

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 9:57 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it
> was the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.
>
> So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade
> so he decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its
> being junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
> After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion,
> stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes
> later a big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs
> even better, better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All
> the power a Pinto could possibly have.
>
> Literally blew the carbon out...
>
> IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't
> remember exactly.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:06:19 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to
> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>> On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the
> driver’s seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent,
> too!!
> >>>
> >>> <
> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-2002-mercedes-benz-clk430/7706582771.html
> >
> >>> [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> >>> 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 for sale by owner - Flagstaff, AZ -
> craigslist<
> https://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/d/flagstaff-2002-mercedes-benz-clk430/7706582771.html
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[MBZ] 2021 AMG GT 63 - 26k miles - $85,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Probably a scam, ad is low-effort and similar cars list at about 1.5x that 
price.

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Re: [MBZ] W163 Sunroof Wind Deflector Arms

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Sunroofs are best kept shut and left alone. They will probably leak eventually 
regardless. I hate everything about them. I used mine a couple times in the 
early 1990s which was the first time I had a car with one, then the novelty 
wore off and I've never opened one since.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, at 08:33, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> It appears the air deflector and its piece parts are NLA. I’ve read 
> most people just delete the whole shooting match. 
> Would the air flow/sound be greatly increased with the delete?
> But I guess it’s a moot point if parts can’t be had. 
>
> AZBob
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>> On Jan 10, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Use one of those push pin tacks with the big plastic head 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2024, at 10:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Airflow was greatly reduced. It’s a night and day difference now that it’s 
>>> cleaned up.
>>> I remember taking a sewing needle and adjusting the washer nozzles on a 
>>> couple of my W123s. I suppose I can do the same thing with this thing.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:03:58 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Finally got a chance to do some more messing around today with my
>> ML350. WHEN i went to replace the cabin filter this is what I found:
 
 That would tend to make the airflow somewhat reduced.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] KLEB CAR!!!!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A friend of a friend had a Pinto back in the day. The story goes that it was 
the most gutless, slowest piece of trash he had ever driven.

So the day comes to replace it, the dealer won't take the Pinto on trade so he 
decides to junk it. On the ride to the junkyard he decides, since its being 
junked anyway, to just peg it to redline the whole way.
After a few minutes there is some kind of a poof, bang or maybe explosion, 
stories differ but suddenly the car runs waay better. A few minutes later a 
big cloud of black shoots out the exhaust pipe and the car runs even better, 
better than it has the whole time the guy has owned it. All the power a Pinto 
could possibly have.

Literally blew the carbon out...

IIRC instead of junking it he sells it to one of his buddies, I don't remember 
exactly.

-Curt


On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:06:19 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote: 





Blows out the carbon as my dad used to say 

--FT
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> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not sure I'm keen about it being redlined for an hour, driving to 
> Cottonwood. That can’t be good for it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> $600, throw in a new conductor plate and off you go
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 1/11/24 5:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Right down the road from the AZ manse! And from the look of the driver’s 
>>> seat, I think I know what local Mexican restaurant they frequent, too!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [00P0P_7XrXRsp2m2R_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>> 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 for sale by owner - Flagstaff, AZ - 
>>> craigslist
>>> flagstaff.craigslist.org
>>> 
>>> -D
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[MBZ] Tornado rolls through Bamberg Jan 6

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

A little town maybe 50mi from here



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Re: [MBZ] Floyd Car!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Extra 1 in price 

—FT

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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 9:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Better get down here with a conductor plate and get this thing sorted before 
> the balance shafts blow out!
> 
> 
> [01717_lcbuBUzCgoY_0kH0qQ_600x450.jpg]
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[MBZ] Floyd Car!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Better get down here with a conductor plate and get this thing sorted before 
the balance shafts blow out!


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Re: [MBZ] W163 Sunroof Wind Deflector Arms

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It appears the air deflector and its piece parts are NLA. I’ve read most people 
just delete the whole shooting match. 
Would the air flow/sound be greatly increased with the delete?
But I guess it’s a moot point if parts can’t be had. 

AZBob

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> On Jan 10, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> Use one of those push pin tacks with the big plastic head 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2024, at 10:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Airflow was greatly reduced. It’s a night and day difference now that it’s 
>> cleaned up.
>> I remember taking a sewing needle and adjusting the washer nozzles on a 
>> couple of my W123s. I suppose I can do the same thing with this thing.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> On Jan 10, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:03:58 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> Finally got a chance to do some more messing around today with my
> ML350. WHEN i went to replace the cabin filter this is what I found:
>>> 
>>> That would tend to make the airflow somewhat reduced.
>>> 
>>> 
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