Re: [MBZ] 123 Tires and OT Truck Tire Questions

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Funny thing is, the car loves it, or appears to. She’s driven the 97 SL500 for 
nearly 70k, and despite being a reconstructed title, that car has been one of 
the most trouble free vehicles I’ve ever owned.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 10:31 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> As Mrs. Dan is a believer in binary throttle control, she loved it.
> 
> On / off. Same with brakes.
> 
> I have had to troubleshoot engine issues and found no problems until I mashed 
> my foot to the floor.
> 
> People that drive like that need to be given Hellcats or Charger SRT8's for a 
> couple days with the traction control disabled.
> 
> "I don't understand why it won't go. And there's this awful burning smell and 
> smoke when I take off. And the car slides sideways."
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Sent: January 18, 2021 10:15 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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> Cc: d...@penoff.com 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Tires and OT Truck Tire Questions
> 
> Wife's Mazda 6 was like that. Feather on the throttle and you were 
> zoom-zooming big time. I hated it. So did the boys.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > > >> wrote:
>> 
>>> raining (or even just slightly wet), the tires will spin when trying to 
>>> take off from a stop.
>> 
>> I wonder if it's due to the wretched 'modern' tendency, especially of GM 
>> (?), to have a very
>> sudden throttle onset, which I'm inclined to believe is intended to trick 
>> the buyer into thinking
>> the vehicle has a lot of power.  (To me it's just a dismaying lack of 
>> control-ability.)
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 400E - $2,750 "Mint Condition"

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This looks like it could be a nice deal. I kid you not, if you’ve owned a 
W124/300E and want the same rock solid chassis with bad*ss performance, you 
want a 400E or E420. Lots of smiles per mile.


-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:29 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Paging Mercedes Martha.
> We have another BaT flip candidate.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> Sent: January 18, 2021 2:06 PM
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> Cc: astr...@indiana.edu
> Subject: [MBZ] 1992 400E - $2,750 "Mint Condition"
> 
> Looks pretty nice, but wonder about the German flag on the right rear
> wheel arch?
> 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/indianapolis-mint-condition-1992/7263619400.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Tires and OT Truck Tire Questions

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There's a set of Michelin snow tires on my1995 E420. They work great.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I just looked at Tire Rack. Hankook Kinergy ST and General Altimax RT43 in 
> both 175r70-14 and 185R70.
> 
> Weren't the originals something like 175R80 or R83?
> 
> I did a car search at Tire Rack, for 1984 300D they told me 195/70, for 1979 
> 240D they told me 'we don't sell that'. A lot more choices in 195 than in 
> 185, including the classic Vredestein Sprint (which costs more than a 17" 
> Michelin Crossclimate for my mom's Malibu).
> 
> Just ordered a couple of wheels and four TPMS for the Malibu, Farm Bureau 
> will sell me Firestone WeatherGrip for $149 installed if I supply the TPMS. 
> They seem to be pretty high ranked among the Three Mountain Snowflake stuff 
> if you care more about snow performance than summer performance.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 2005 Jetta TDI wagon - $6,450

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That looks like a good deal.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> https://tippecanoe.craigslist.org/cto/d/valparaiso-05-volkswagen-jetta-wagon/7261623604.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT Anyone know/use Signal?

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Actually, they had a developer’s API that was coded by a 10 year old that 
allowed some European hackers to access the stored data even after their rights 
got pulled. They were able to download a significant amount of message traffic 
with user names and other identifying data. Interestingly, Parler did not scrub 
metadata on pictures or other such things, so EXIF and other goodies 
identifying the devices and their locations were ripe for the picking, so to 
speak.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Par ler COE said (on TV last night) that they used AWS servers for 
> development (dumb, IMO) and were unable to download all their codes, etc. 
> before Amazon pulled the plug.  Bad on Amazon but Par lor should have had 
> safe backups.  I have multiple local and cloud backups for even for my little 
> church site.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 2:42 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Anyone know/use Signal?
> 
> Not to pick nits, but Parlor wasn’t “banned” from Amazon Web Services (AWS), 
> they were “de-platformed”. That’s essentially when your (cloud) service 
> provider turns off the switch. Amazon said they violated their terms of 
> service, so they turned it off.
> 
> Same results, though.
> 
> They’re back, as in they now have a hosting provider who is hosting their 
> domain, but that’s a far cry from having a web service provider. You can have 
> all the domains you want, but if there’s nowhere to host your content, you’re 
> pretty much SOL.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use either one (I'm not on social media at all, actually) but 
>> the pitch for Signal is secure end-to-end encryption. I thought it was 
>> mostly a competitor to SMS or iMessage or other direct message apps. 
>> Maybe it has a "follow" feature like Twitter? Don't know.
>> 
>> Parler appears to have some issues on the technical side, from what 
>> I've read. Some clues that their programmers were not very experienced 
>> or well-educated in secure programming practices (things like using a 
>> simple sequential number for message IDs, which makes them easy to 
>> guess). Their main selling point is/was free speech, not so much 
>> secrecy or privacy. They didn't seem very prepared for being suddenly 
>> banned from Amazon services, which is maybe understandable but when 
>> you use cloud providers you should always have a tested plan "B" in 
>> case you need it. Services like Google and Amazon are known to ban 
>> accounts for no discernable reason, and talking to a real person to 
>> get it sorted out is near-impossible.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I drive firmly down the middle of the road but these apps seem 
>>> interesting given all the hoo-rah these days over FB and Tweeter and 
>>> whatnot and data privacy and such.  I don't know Parler so that is 
>>> not something I have used.
>>> 
>>> https://signal.org/en/
>>> 
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/technology/telegram-signal-apps-bi
>>> g-tech.html
>>> 
>>> Keep the conversation technical please, I don't care what your 
>>> politics are in regards to the issues of data privacy, etc.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Light green -- 1978 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $2, 100

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I looked up the location - pretty much dead nuts in the middle of deep 
Appalachia. Between Knoxville and Johnson City.

Bummer.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yeah it would be 5-6hr drive, and getting there any other way would be 
> troublesome.  It would probably drive home though.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 1/18/21 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> That’s a BaT flip, or Cars and Bids if you don’t want to wait the 2+ months 
>> to get on BaT.
>> 
>> If that were closer I would jump on it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This looks like a really good deal, car is mostly very nice, needs driver 
>>> seat bottom
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3954949237876616/?ref=search_code=undefined
>>> 
>>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Light green -- 1978 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $2, 100

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s a BaT flip, or Cars and Bids if you don’t want to wait the 2+ months to 
get on BaT.

If that were closer I would jump on it.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This looks like a really good deal, car is mostly very nice, needs driver 
> seat bottom
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3954949237876616/?ref=search_code=undefined
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Anyone know/use Signal?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not to pick nits, but Parlor wasn’t “banned” from Amazon Web Services (AWS), 
they were “de-platformed”. That’s essentially when your (cloud) service 
provider turns off the switch. Amazon said they violated their terms of 
service, so they turned it off.

Same results, though.

They’re back, as in they now have a hosting provider who is hosting their 
domain, but that’s a far cry from having a web service provider. You can have 
all the domains you want, but if there’s nowhere to host your content, you’re 
pretty much SOL.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't use either one (I'm not on social media at all, actually) but
> the pitch for Signal is secure end-to-end encryption. I thought it was
> mostly a competitor to SMS or iMessage or other direct message
> apps. Maybe it has a "follow" feature like Twitter? Don't know.
> 
> Parler appears to have some issues on the technical side, from what I've
> read. Some clues that their programmers were not very experienced or
> well-educated in secure programming practices (things like using a
> simple sequential number for message IDs, which makes them easy to
> guess). Their main selling point is/was free speech, not so much secrecy
> or privacy. They didn't seem very prepared for being suddenly banned
> from Amazon services, which is maybe understandable but when you use
> cloud providers you should always have a tested plan "B" in case you
> need it. Services like Google and Amazon are known to ban accounts for
> no discernable reason, and talking to a real person to get it sorted out
> is near-impossible.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I drive firmly down the middle of the road but these apps seem 
>> interesting given all the hoo-rah these days over FB and Tweeter and 
>> whatnot and data privacy and such.  I don't know Parler so that is not 
>> something I have used.
>> 
>> https://signal.org/en/
>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/technology/telegram-signal-apps-big-tech.html
>> 
>> Keep the conversation technical please, I don't care what your politics 
>> are in regards to the issues of data privacy, etc.
>> 
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[MBZ] DROP THE TOP AND ROLL LOOK & CALL NOW

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-mercedes-sl320-imperial-red-creme/7263980911.html
 


Not bad, really, other than it’s a 320.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Anyone know/use Signal?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Correct.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Signal was/is considered a major threat to intelligence collection in the NSA 
> and CIA. There are direct references to this in a number of the slide decks 
> that Snowden exposed, and the FBI in particular has continued to clutch it’s 
> pearls to Congress and the DOJ over it’s use by private citizens. It’s open 
> source and not funded by any government agency. Working in the industry I can 
> assure you that if I wanted 100% end to end encrypted messaging I would be 
> using it.
> 
> And that’s all I’m going to say about it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> interesting.  I am trying to overthrow Johns Island but I don't know who to 
>> throw over yet.  I probably need to buy a boat first though.  Maybe I should 
>> get to know this guy
>> 
>> https://www.postandcourier.com/news/the-navys-uss-high-point-was-abandoned-a-charleston-man-hopes-to-bring-it-back/article_9ed6c200-55c1-11eb-9b26-ab25366b15d3.html
>> 
>> 
>> The Navy’s USS High Point was abandoned. A Charleston man hopes to
>> bring it back to life.
>> 
>> But we might need a bigger boat
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 1/18/21 11:35 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Signal was developed by a CIA contractor so big brother can keep tabs on
>>> you while you think you've got an encrypted communication channel.  I guess
>>> that may be better than google / apple / fakebook / borg having control
>>> over your data and selling it for a profit.  Just don't use it to plot the
>>> next overthrow of the banana republic.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:28 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I drive firmly down the middle of the road but these apps seem
>>>> interesting given all the hoo-rah these days over FB and Tweeter and
>>>> whatnot and data privacy and such.  I don't know Parler so that is not
>>>> something I have used.
>>>> 
>>>> https://signal.org/en/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/technology/telegram-signal-apps-big-tech.html
>>>> 
>>>> Keep the conversation technical please, I don't care what your politics
>>>> are in regards to the issues of data privacy, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --FT
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Anyone know/use Signal?

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Signal was/is considered a major threat to intelligence collection in the NSA 
and CIA. There are direct references to this in a number of the slide decks 
that Snowden exposed, and the FBI in particular has continued to clutch it’s 
pearls to Congress and the DOJ over it’s use by private citizens. It’s open 
source and not funded by any government agency. Working in the industry I can 
assure you that if I wanted 100% end to end encrypted messaging I would be 
using it.

And that’s all I’m going to say about it.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> interesting.  I am trying to overthrow Johns Island but I don't know who to 
> throw over yet.  I probably need to buy a boat first though.  Maybe I should 
> get to know this guy
> 
> https://www.postandcourier.com/news/the-navys-uss-high-point-was-abandoned-a-charleston-man-hopes-to-bring-it-back/article_9ed6c200-55c1-11eb-9b26-ab25366b15d3.html
> 
> 
> The Navy’s USS High Point was abandoned. A Charleston man hopes to
> bring it back to life.
> 
> But we might need a bigger boat
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 1/18/21 11:35 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Signal was developed by a CIA contractor so big brother can keep tabs on
>> you while you think you've got an encrypted communication channel.  I guess
>> that may be better than google / apple / fakebook / borg having control
>> over your data and selling it for a profit.  Just don't use it to plot the
>> next overthrow of the banana republic.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:28 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I drive firmly down the middle of the road but these apps seem
>>> interesting given all the hoo-rah these days over FB and Tweeter and
>>> whatnot and data privacy and such.  I don't know Parler so that is not
>>> something I have used.
>>> 
>>> https://signal.org/en/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/technology/telegram-signal-apps-big-tech.html
>>> 
>>> Keep the conversation technical please, I don't care what your politics
>>> are in regards to the issues of data privacy, etc.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> --FT
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 SL - $24,900 (Fleming Island)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Price is a bit high with the miles. Only thing that could overcome this would 
be a stunning provenance.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Gorgeous car, looks almost new
> 
> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/orange-park-1987-mercedes-benz-560-sl/7263508187.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Tires and OT Truck Tire Questions

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Wife's Mazda 6 was like that. Feather on the throttle and you were zoom-zooming 
big time. I hated it. So did the boys. As Mrs. Dan is a believer in binary 
throttle control, she loved it.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> raining (or even just slightly wet), the tires will spin when trying to take 
>> off from a stop.
> 
> I wonder if it's due to the wretched 'modern' tendency, especially of GM (?), 
> to have a very
> sudden throttle onset, which I'm inclined to believe is intended to trick the 
> buyer into thinking
> the vehicle has a lot of power.  (To me it's just a dismaying lack of 
> control-ability.)
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1993 Mercedes-Benz 400E (W124)

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You’re thinking 500SEL as in W126.

The W124 500E was built from 1991 through 1195, I believe. Porsche was involved 
in some of the design and assembly, in fact, the cars were finished at the 
Porsche factory. M119 5.0 liter engine, SLS, different suspension and fenders 
were flared out. There may have been other things but that’s the main 
take-aways.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I thought the 500E was in the 70s.
> What was the price difference between 400 and 500?
> A lot more effort went into building the 500E.
> 
> 
> Quoting Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes :
> 
>> I was over at HBL (dealership) in Tysons Corner, VA back in the early 90s.
>> They had a 400E on the lot.  Sticker price was $70k.  Glad I waited until
>> now to get one.
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Re: [MBZ] Value of 01 E320, what to do?

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"It has turned out to me one of the most reliable cars I have had.”

The W210 chassis - the Toyota Camry of Mercedes. Mine have been dead nuts 
reliable. Every one of them.

-D

> On Jan 17, 2021, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> I have my 99 E300 ready to go and will start driving it until I move to one 
> of my 05 CDIs.  I have my 01 E320 that has 251k miles on it now.  It was the 
> wife's daily driver, then when she started driving the 05 E320 gasser, I took 
> it over.  Paint on it is good, front bumper cover has some clear coat 
> peeling, interior fine. It has had motor mounts, conductor plate, plugs, 
> valve cover gaskets and breather covers, breather hoses replaced.  Everything 
> works on the car.  Will need tires soon and probably needs the sway bar 
> bushings done.  Not sure what to do with it.  If I sold it I am not sure I 
> could sell it for enough to make it work the trouble. I am not really 
> interested in dumping it for a grand.  If I got closer to 2 maybe so.  
> Otherwise I might as well keep it for a backup car.  It has turned out to me 
> one of the most reliable cars I have had.
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Re: [MBZ] 2005 Mercedes Benz E500 4Matic Wagon Sold to TKoFromOntario for $4, 233

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Surprised it went that low. That was a good deal.

-D

> On Jan 17, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> This was a pretty good deal for TKoFromOntario
> 
> 
> 
> https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rNAQ70kG/2005-mercedes-benz-e500-4matic-wagon
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Re: [MBZ] Depreciation is a killer 2009 MERCEDES BENZ S550 $4000 FIRM (Durham)

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I’ve wondered the same when I’ve seen these for sale. I wonder what the “little 
work” is?

Nice looking car. I would be worried about the nannies.

-D

> On Jan 17, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> I kinda like these, I wonder what is wrong with it.  It doesn't look too bad
> 
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/durham-2009-mercedes-benz-firm/7263257266.html
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Re: [MBZ] Drill Bit Set

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Exactly. I bought them for random use around the northern homestead, and my 
expectations are low. I’ve drilled some soft wood and drywall so far and they 
worked great.

-D


> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> I knew a woman who asserted that General Tso was her (great?)grandfather or 
> something. She seemed to know a lot about him and the dish.
> 
> I have those drill bits too, they work fine for random use.  I haven't done 
> anything too difficult with them.  I think I paid $9 for my set a coupla 
> years ago, it's good to have a variety of sizes around.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 1/16/21 5:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Not even General Tso's Chicken?
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 5:14 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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>> 
>>> I’m not buying any more Chinese shit if I can help it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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>>>> I bought a set for the second home. While I haven’t drilled any metal
>>> with them yet that I can recall, they seem to work well.
>>>> -D
>>>> 
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>>>>> I bought the 29 piece Harbor Freight Titanium drill bit set for about
>>> $11.
>>>>> Wondering what I can expect from these drill bits, with particular
>>> reference
>>>>> to their performance in cutting metal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Drill Bit Set

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I bought a set for the second home. While I haven’t drilled any metal with them 
yet that I can recall, they seem to work well.

-D

> On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Jerry Herrman via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought the 29 piece Harbor Freight Titanium drill bit set for about $11.
> Wondering what I can expect from these drill bits, with particular reference
> to their performance in cutting metal.
> 
> Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Fuel Shutoff

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Simple:

For a Mercedes part, Google “mercedes” and the part number, no spaces.

Google “bosch” and “1427133094” and you’ll get hits on the Bosch part.

-D


> On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> I gave no idea what is wrong with my searching prowess. I’m an idiot. 
> 
> I can get it at the stealership for 25 bucks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yup.
>> 
>> AutohausAZ has them for around $25.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is the Bosch part number, not the MB part number. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 3:17 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What’s the car’s VIN?
>>>>> 
>>>>> And “142” is not a good prefix for an MB part number that I know of.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Right off the top of what’s installed in the car. The zero might be a 
>>>>>> nine or an 8 it’s hard to tell because it’s underneath an electrical 
>>>>>> wire that’s hard to move.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Where did you get that? It’s not a good MB number.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -D
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 3:58 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1427133094 is the part number for the Fuel shut off valve that’s 
>>>>>>>> currently in my car. What the actual fuck.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bob R
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Fuel Shutoff

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Yup.

AutohausAZ has them for around $25.

-D



> On Jan 16, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> That is the Bosch part number, not the MB part number. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 3:17 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What’s the car’s VIN?
>>> 
>>> And “142” is not a good prefix for an MB part number that I know of.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Right off the top of what’s installed in the car. The zero might be a nine 
>>>> or an 8 it’s hard to tell because it’s underneath an electrical wire 
>>>> that’s hard to move.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did you get that? It’s not a good MB number.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 3:58 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1427133094 is the part number for the Fuel shut off valve that’s 
>>>>>> currently in my car. What the actual fuck.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob R
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Fuel Shutoff

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What’s the car’s VIN?

And “142” is not a good prefix for an MB part number that I know of.

-D

> On Jan 16, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Right off the top of what’s installed in the car. The zero might be a nine or 
> an 8 it’s hard to tell because it’s underneath an electrical wire that’s hard 
> to move.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Where did you get that? It’s not a good MB number.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 3:58 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1427133094 is the part number for the Fuel shut off valve that’s currently 
>>> in my car. What the actual fuck.
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Fuel Shutoff

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Where did you get that? It’s not a good MB number.

-D

> On Jan 16, 2021, at 3:58 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> 1427133094 is the part number for the Fuel shut off valve that’s currently in 
> my car. What the actual fuck.
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> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Relisted, 1969 220D project

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Not a lot. W114s don’t get a lot of love, although this one has some things 
going for it such as a manny tranny. By the time you invested the money to 
restore this car you would be well into upside down territory.

-D

> On Jan 16, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Don't recall the ask last time. What would a nice example be worth?
> 
> https://peoria.craigslist.org/cto/d/peoria-1969-mercedes/7262612817.html
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Re: [MBZ] Mixing tires?

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If they’re the same you should be OK. I don’t know if the nannies on the later 
models are that discriminating, but the tires that were on my 1999 E320 4Matic 
were totally mismatched and had far different wear levels/patterns, and I never 
had any indication that it cared.

-D


> On Jan 15, 2021, at 8:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah the wagon is 4matic. I’ll check the size but they’re probably the same. 
> I guess the same size tires will have the same circumference 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Jan 15, 2021, at 6:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> But, are the vehicles 4Matic? If so, don't the tires need to match in 
>> diameter in order to avoid issues?
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>>> On 15/01/2021 5:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Might as well try it, then tell us how it drives ... won't cost but a bit
>>> of time.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:43 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 The "new" $900 04E500 has a fairly new pair of Michelins on it, the
 other pair has maybe half tread left.  My 05 E320 wagon has a newish
 pair of Contis on the front, the rears are due for replacement as the
 tread is getting pretty worn.  I got to thinking about putting the newer
 Michelins from the E500 on the back of the wagon but wondered if that
 would lead to some kind of wonky behavior.  It would be like $300 or
 $400 cheaper than a new pair of Contis for the wagon.
 
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Re: [MBZ] $900E500 looks pretty good

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Jeebus. It’s like they flung it. I’m amazed that people can be such pigs. My 
car interiors are far from pristine but I’ve never had one like this. Seen and 
cleaned my share of them, unfortunately.

-D



> On Jan 15, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> Yeah right?  It’s like gallons spilled and just sat there and soaked in and 
> dried up. It’s gross. It’s all over. 
> 
> 
> 
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>> On Jan 15, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yikes! Some serious coffee flinging!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2021, at 4:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The interior is very light beige under the carpet filth. The seats aren’t 
>>> too dirty but could use a good cleaning 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --FT
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>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What's the name for that color?
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Re: [MBZ] Differential fluid

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Definitely one of the things I do on a “new to me” car maintenance list. All 
fluids get replaced. That way I have a point of reference.

For some reason I was thinking I saw 60k for differential oil, but I’m not 100% 
on that.

-D


> On Jan 15, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interval is probably "as soon as you get the car" because it's probably
> never been done before (unless you have documentation to the contrary).
> 
> Allan
> 
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Mobil 1 75W90 synthetic
>> 
>> I don't know the interval, 100k?  50k?
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 1/15/21 12:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> There seems to be no official change interval that I can find. What is a 
>>> good change interval on a differential and what weight oil to use?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] $900E500 looks pretty good

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yikes! Some serious coffee flinging!

-D

> On Jan 15, 2021, at 4:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The interior is very light beige under the carpet filth. The seats aren’t too 
> dirty but could use a good cleaning 
> 
> 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Jan 15, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> What's the name for that color?
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Re: [MBZ] NC Covid shots

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We’re using a centralized registration system by CDR Maguire. They’re doing it 
at the state level across the country as well. We’ve been told that the state 
is going to take over all aspects of the distribution and vaccination in the 
next week or two and establish one site in the county to handle everything, 
both testing and vaccinations. This will be good for us, as we’ve been handling 
everything within the county across multiple sites since this started. It’s 
been a logistical and staffing nightmare for us.

-D

> On Jan 15, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Locally they are vaccinating those aged 70+ currently, who have
> accounted for 86% of fatalities. The state set up a website where you
> can register. Not sure of the exact process but somehow that is fed back
> to the county health departments who are in charge of the actual
> vaccinations. Here, some vaccinations are performed at the hospital and
> some at a newly-outfitted vaccination clinic. Sounds like it will be a
> while before they are available at any local pharmacy like the flu shots
> are.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> The distribution and management of vaccinations here in Florida has been 
>> nothing short of a cluster, mainly because the state (and Federal 
>> government) has left it up to the counties to administer, with little to no 
>> guidance on how it should be done. I can’t get into the specifics for my 
>> county, but suffice to say, the term “clown show” was used by one of our 
>> county commissioners in describing the initial efforts.
>> 
>> Our IT group got involved after the initial debacle and engaged a national 
>> firm who is working with the states to handle the scheduling and 
>> distribution, and now things are going far more smoothly and without 
>> incident. The issue now is the lack of vaccine, as we’ve got far less than 
>> we need to distribute to the groups that are identified as needing it.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] NC Covid shots

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We had a groomed cross country ski course at a state park just a few miles away 
form our home in WI. On Friday nights they had “candlelight skiing”, which had 
a bonfire at the parking area for the non-participants and luminaries (? - 
paper bags with the votive candles) placed along the trails every 20-30 feet or 
so by the park rangers.

My standard getup was jogging pants, a t-shirt, all covered with an Army field 
coat that went down to my knees. It was also referred to as my “Captain 
Kangaroo” coat because it had large, square pockets on the front that were 
ideal for holding bottles of cold, locally produced adult beverages, usually 
from Sprecker. As I would push along the bottles would jingle in my pockets, 
scaring off the local wildlife but alerting fellow skiiers that I possessed 
libations. Every quarter mile or so there would be a park bench, which we would 
sit on to take a short rest and consume said libations.

This is one of the examples of the excellent quality of life that exists in WI.

-D former cheesehead

> On Jan 15, 2021, at 12:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I tried X country skiing on a sunny day in Winnipeg several years ago and 
> found it way more strenuous than I expected, and much more challenging than 
> the downhill variety.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 11:56 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Few people who haven’t done it don’t understand how difficult and physical 
> cross country skiing is. I took it up when we lived in WI, and I will say 
> that it's right up there with workouts like spinning - and that’s when you’re 
> on level ground!
> 
> The first time I tried it I was appropriately bundled for the weather, with a 
> Carhart snowmobile suit and such. Within a short time I had stripped that off 
> and was in my street clothes for the remainder of the run.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jan 15, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > On 2021-01-15 10:26, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > 
> >> On that note, it's time to get on the NordicTrac.
> > 
> > I tried cross country skiing as a teen, couldn't kick properly despite 
> > working on it a lot. (see my post in this thread on poliomyelitis earlier 
> > this morning)
> > 
> > When I was about 25, I tried to use a NordicTrac and it became instantly 
> > obvious why my skiing was so bad. I am physically incapable of running a 
> > NordicTrac, my legs just don't produce any useful amount of force moving 
> > like that.
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Re: [MBZ] NC Covid shots

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Few people who haven’t done it don’t understand how difficult and physical 
cross country skiing is. I took it up when we lived in WI, and I will say that 
it's right up there with workouts like spinning - and that’s when you’re on 
level ground!

The first time I tried it I was appropriately bundled for the weather, with a 
Carhart snowmobile suit and such. Within a short time I had stripped that off 
and was in my street clothes for the remainder of the run.

-D

> On Jan 15, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-15 10:26, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> On that note, it's time to get on the NordicTrac.
> 
> I tried cross country skiing as a teen, couldn't kick properly despite 
> working on it a lot. (see my post in this thread on poliomyelitis earlier 
> this morning)
> 
> When I was about 25, I tried to use a NordicTrac and it became instantly 
> obvious why my skiing was so bad. I am physically incapable of running a 
> NordicTrac, my legs just don't produce any useful amount of force moving like 
> that.
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Re: [MBZ] NC Covid shots

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

In some areas, yes. Pinellas and Pasco counties (west and north of Tampa) have 
large numbers of retirees. Hillsborough County, which is Tampa, has far lower 
numbers. One of the issues is people from adjoining counties attempting to 
register for vaccinations here. They’ve gotten pissy when they’re turned down 
as the system looks at their address to determine eligibility.

My mother in law registered in Hillsborough County because Pasco’s efforts were 
a cluster. I told her she would get turned down when her application came up on 
the list, but of course she didn’t want to hear that…

-D


> On Jan 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I would reckon Florida would be a big consumer of vaccines for the elderly 
> especially...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, January 15, 2021, 7:49:53 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The distribution and management of vaccinations here in Florida has been 
> nothing short of a cluster, mainly because the state (and Federal government) 
> has left it up to the counties to administer, with little to no guidance on 
> how it should be done. I can’t get into the specifics for my county, but 
> suffice to say, the term “clown show” was used by one of our county 
> commissioners in describing the initial efforts.
> 
> Our IT group got involved after the initial debacle and engaged a national 
> firm who is working with the states to handle the scheduling and 
> distribution, and now things are going far more smoothly and without 
> incident. The issue now is the lack of vaccine, as we’ve got far less than we 
> need to distribute to the groups that are identified as needing it.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] NC Covid shots

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The distribution and management of vaccinations here in Florida has been 
nothing short of a cluster, mainly because the state (and Federal government) 
has left it up to the counties to administer, with little to no guidance on how 
it should be done. I can’t get into the specifics for my county, but suffice to 
say, the term “clown show” was used by one of our county commissioners in 
describing the initial efforts.

Our IT group got involved after the initial debacle and engaged a national firm 
who is working with the states to handle the scheduling and distribution, and 
now things are going far more smoothly and without incident. The issue now is 
the lack of vaccine, as we’ve got far less than we need to distribute to the 
groups that are identified as needing it.

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Fuel Shutoff Valve

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I think the older vacuum shutoffs for the 617s have become stupid expensive. 
Maybe that’s what you saw?

-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Jeez...I don’t know what I saw initially.  Maybe I have the Covid Crazies? 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 5:36 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>> 
>> No. The initial ones I saw (from Autohaus AZ) were $170! I don’t  have a 
>> part number since I haven’t taken it off yet. Probably do that this weekend. 
>> I finally saw the ones Kaleb attached. 
>> I thought I was going nuts-er. 
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You’re griping about $30?
>>> 
>>> Heck, it’s only $25 at the dealer.
>>> 
>>> https://www.mboemparts.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-vacuum-box-704653 
>>> <https://www.mboemparts.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-vacuum-box-704653>
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.rmeuropean.com/Products/704653-MFG14-V3307.aspx
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/14/2021 5:41 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Holy crap. When did these get so expensive? Granted, the last one I 
>>>>> bought was likely one for a W123 in 2000 but Jeezo Pete.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob R
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto Windshield wipers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

HA HA HA HA!

“Dealer discounts” are often a total screw. They’ll quote you list plus 20% and 
then give you a 10% “courtesy discount” to make you feel like you’re getting a 
deal.

They all do it, even mine. I caught them doing it to a coworker one time. He 
bought a neighbor’s SLK230 for one of his kids. He asks me about doing an oil 
change on the car, and I told him it’s relatively straightforward, but to buy a 
filter from the dealer, not FLAPS. His kid calls the dealer’s parts counter and 
hey quote him $18. Now I know darned well the oil filter for an SLK230 is not 
$18 list, so I told him to ride along with me at lunch one day when I went to 
pick up parts.

We get to the dealer and I told him to go up to the counter in front of me. He 
asks for the part, they look it up, and quote him $14. I stepped up and 
questioned the parts guy. “Really? That’s a $12 filter, list price.” They sold 
it to him for $10, the jobber (my) price, because they got caught trying to 
scam the guy.

As crappy a practice as this is, there’s nothing illegal about it. There is 
certainly an ethical issue here, but again, this is a car dealer. List price is 
nothing more than reference point for discounting, and is not a retail or fixed 
price. The dealer can charge whatever they want for a part, as Mercedes cannot 
set the retail price, only the price the dealer pays them.

-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 8:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you ever try to get a discount from the dealer? Mbca membership used to
> get you I think 10% off on parts and labor.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Another reason why I just buy them for the stealership. Yeah, they’re more
>> expensive than aftermarket, but they’re very high quality and I never have
>> to work about them fitting or having a pile of little plastic adapter
>> things I have to sort through to find the right one.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used to do the same and then got a run of truly awful wipers. The
>> mid-range ones seem pretty terrible too, Angie bought some a year or so
>> ago, I can't remember what brand but they were junk right out of the box.
>> Thats when I started buying Bosch, I've never had a bad set of them.
>>> One thing I was thinking of after I sent my last message, have you guys
>> noticed that wipers don't seem to degrade, they just fail. The last few
>> sets I've had worked good until suddenly they didn't work hardly at all.
>> Used to be I could wipe my knife blade down a wiper and get a week or two
>> more but not now.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>   On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 3:52:58 PM EST, Allan Streib via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I never found that the expensive wipers lasted any longer than the cheap
>>> ones. So for years I have bought the cheapest I can find, and keep a
>>> spare set handy.
>>> 
>>> Maybe the high-end wipers are better now?
>>> 
>>> Good tip on RA closeouts. I will have to remember to check them. Just
>>> recently got closeout brake pad set for the Focus, normally $35 got them
>>> for $7.93.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
>>>>  Can you get much more than a year out of your wipers? On the one hand
>> your wipers aren't called upon to move the weight of snow that ours are, on
>> the other hand Florida does get significant rain storms. Plus all the sun
>> you get has to be hard on 'em.
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>>On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 3:21:57 PM EST, Dan Penoff via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  I think I mentioned some time ago that I was consistently getting OE
>> brand wipers from RA as inventory closeouts for pennies on the dollar.
>> There seemed to be a constant flow of the things into their system. Many
>> that I got were branded NAPA wipers but were Bosch or one of the other
>> major brands, not junk.
>>>> 
>>>> Any more I just get the Mercedes ones for the MBs, as they’re not all
>> that bad considering how often they have to be replaced. I think the W210
>> wipers are around $18 my cost, so I just keep one on the shelf.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Took my Dodge pickup for its yearly safety inspection yesterday. The
>> guy passed it but me

Re: [MBZ] ONE OF A KIND WHO ELSE HAS ONE LIKE THIS

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

1992, one of the worst years of the W140. Pretty rare interior color, but boy, 
is that driver’s seat thrashed! It’s a short wheelbase version, too.

And no “emmisions” testing, either!

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Fuel Shutoff Valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You’re griping about $30?

Heck, it’s only $25 at the dealer.

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-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> https://www.rmeuropean.com/Products/704653-MFG14-V3307.aspx
> 
> On 1/14/2021 5:41 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Holy crap. When did these get so expensive? Granted, the last one I bought 
>> was likely one for a W123 in 2000 but Jeezo Pete.
>> 
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Fuel Shutoff Valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Part number?

-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 6:41 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Holy crap. When did these get so expensive? Granted, the last one I bought 
> was likely one for a W123 in 2000 but Jeezo Pete. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Mercedes E320 Diesel - $4,000

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Yes. 2005-2006 E320 CDIs are the ones.

Aftermarket headlights, too, and poorly installed at that.

Price is in line if it has good (service) provenance and no sign of Black Death.

-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Hm, maybe not too bad a deal, miles are a little high but this is about
> my typical price point for a car. Is this a "black death" candidate?
> 
> https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/lexington-2006-mercedes-e320-diesel/7261168786.html
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[MBZ] W210 Side View Mirrors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you’ve got a W210 chassis car you may very well have a broken mirror or one 
that’s in bad shape. The internal “hook” that the spring that holds the mirror 
tight to the frame often breaks, making the mirror flop around like a fish or 
allows it to vibrate while you’re driving. The OE mirror is NLA I believe, and 
if not, it’s stupid expensive.

I found a seller on eBay who offers both exterior side view mirrors that are a 
direct replacement of the stock mirror with full adjustment and heated glass. 
The cover comes with it so you can paint it to match your car, or just use the 
stock cover you already have.

https://tinyurl.com/y5w3gk6z 

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I bought these for my 1999 E320 4Matic and they both fit and work perfectly.

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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto Windshield wipers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Another reason why I just buy them for the stealership. Yeah, they’re more 
expensive than aftermarket, but they’re very high quality and I never have to 
work about them fitting or having a pile of little plastic adapter things I 
have to sort through to find the right one.

-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I used to do the same and then got a run of truly awful wipers. The mid-range 
> ones seem pretty terrible too, Angie bought some a year or so ago, I can't 
> remember what brand but they were junk right out of the box. Thats when I 
> started buying Bosch, I've never had a bad set of them.
> One thing I was thinking of after I sent my last message, have you guys 
> noticed that wipers don't seem to degrade, they just fail. The last few sets 
> I've had worked good until suddenly they didn't work hardly at all. Used to 
> be I could wipe my knife blade down a wiper and get a week or two more but 
> not now.
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 3:52:58 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I never found that the expensive wipers lasted any longer than the cheap
> ones. So for years I have bought the cheapest I can find, and keep a
> spare set handy.
> 
> Maybe the high-end wipers are better now?
> 
> Good tip on RA closeouts. I will have to remember to check them. Just
> recently got closeout brake pad set for the Focus, normally $35 got them
> for $7.93.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>>   Can you get much more than a year out of your wipers? On the one hand your 
>> wipers aren't called upon to move the weight of snow that ours are, on the 
>> other hand Florida does get significant rain storms. Plus all the sun you 
>> get has to be hard on 'em.
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 3:21:57 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>>   
>>   I think I mentioned some time ago that I was consistently getting OE brand 
>> wipers from RA as inventory closeouts for pennies on the dollar. There 
>> seemed to be a constant flow of the things into their system. Many that I 
>> got were branded NAPA wipers but were Bosch or one of the other major 
>> brands, not junk.
>> 
>> Any more I just get the Mercedes ones for the MBs, as they’re not all that 
>> bad considering how often they have to be replaced. I think the W210 wipers 
>> are around $18 my cost, so I just keep one on the shelf.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Took my Dodge pickup for its yearly safety inspection yesterday. The guy 
>>> passed it but mentioned it was going to need a tie rod soon. Since the 
>>> tires are only a couple months old I figured I ought to actually fix the 
>>> tie rod. He said he couldn't tell if it was inner or outer, they're not too 
>>> expensive so I figured I'd just do both, its probably the outer but while 
>>> I'm there...
>>> Anyway while I was at it I checked on wiper blades. Last year when I bought 
>>> wipers (Bosch Evolution) at FLAPS they were like $20-$25 apiece. For 3 cars 
>>> that adds up quick but bad wipers are the worst, especially in snow.
>>> From Rock Auto they're $6-$8 each. I know where I'll be buying wipers from 
>>> now on
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 1959 Mercedes-Benz 190d Chrome,$15,000

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Sweet. Needs more pictures.

-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/253259579480063/?ref=search_code=undefined
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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto Windshield wipers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Depends. While I would agree with your observations, my cars are garaged when 
not in use, so the elements tend to not degrade things as much as if they were 
outside more. I would have to go look at maintenance records, but I would guess 
they last at least a year if not longer. Probably more like 18 months.

-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Can you get much more than a year out of your wipers? On the one hand your 
> wipers aren't called upon to move the weight of snow that ours are, on the 
> other hand Florida does get significant rain storms. Plus all the sun you get 
> has to be hard on 'em.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 3:21:57 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think I mentioned some time ago that I was consistently getting OE brand 
> wipers from RA as inventory closeouts for pennies on the dollar. There seemed 
> to be a constant flow of the things into their system. Many that I got were 
> branded NAPA wipers but were Bosch or one of the other major brands, not junk.
> 
> Any more I just get the Mercedes ones for the MBs, as they’re not all that 
> bad considering how often they have to be replaced. I think the W210 wipers 
> are around $18 my cost, so I just keep one on the shelf.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Took my Dodge pickup for its yearly safety inspection yesterday. The guy 
> > passed it but mentioned it was going to need a tie rod soon. Since the 
> > tires are only a couple months old I figured I ought to actually fix the 
> > tie rod. He said he couldn't tell if it was inner or outer, they're not too 
> > expensive so I figured I'd just do both, its probably the outer but while 
> > I'm there...
> > Anyway while I was at it I checked on wiper blades. Last year when I bought 
> > wipers (Bosch Evolution) at FLAPS they were like $20-$25 apiece. For 3 cars 
> > that adds up quick but bad wipers are the worst, especially in snow.
> > From Rock Auto they're $6-$8 each. I know where I'll be buying wipers from 
> > now on
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto Windshield wipers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think I mentioned some time ago that I was consistently getting OE brand 
wipers from RA as inventory closeouts for pennies on the dollar. There seemed 
to be a constant flow of the things into their system. Many that I got were 
branded NAPA wipers but were Bosch or one of the other major brands, not junk.

Any more I just get the Mercedes ones for the MBs, as they’re not all that bad 
considering how often they have to be replaced. I think the W210 wipers are 
around $18 my cost, so I just keep one on the shelf.

-D


> On Jan 14, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Took my Dodge pickup for its yearly safety inspection yesterday. The guy 
> passed it but mentioned it was going to need a tie rod soon. Since the tires 
> are only a couple months old I figured I ought to actually fix the tie rod. 
> He said he couldn't tell if it was inner or outer, they're not too expensive 
> so I figured I'd just do both, its probably the outer but while I'm there...
> Anyway while I was at it I checked on wiper blades. Last year when I bought 
> wipers (Bosch Evolution) at FLAPS they were like $20-$25 apiece. For 3 cars 
> that adds up quick but bad wipers are the worst, especially in snow.
> From Rock Auto they're $6-$8 each. I know where I'll be buying wipers from 
> now on
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Re: [MBZ] 07 E320 Blutec (92 KMI) sticks in PARK

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good guess, Rick. That’s a likely candidate.

I don’t know about the later models, but as Rick described, brake light 
switches are cheap as wine for W210s and earlier, possibly later models as 
well. While I doubt Wilton or Mrs. Wilton would be flexible enough to replace 
one, it can’t be a terribly expensive job at the dealer or shop. It’s not hard 
to do, but involves having to get under the driver’s side dash, which even for 
us younger folks isn’t easy.

Good to hear from you, Wilton! I was thinking of you recently while watching 
the Ken Burns documentaries on Vietnam.

-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Glad to see you Wilton!
> Brake switch malfunction. I had the same issue on my W210. There should be a 
> way to override that. I will post what I find. BTW, the brake light switch 
> was about $20 full price from the dealer for my car.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: wilt...@nc.rr.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: wilt...@nc.rr.com
> Subject: [MBZ] 07 E320 Blutec (92 KMI) sticks in PARK
> 
> 
> 
>Intermittently, we're having trouble getting my 07 E320 Bluetec out
> of PARK..
> 
>Car not parked on slope.
> 
>So far, we're able to try several times (holding brake, working shift
> lever, etc.to get it to work normally). Can NOT feel any binding.
> 
>MB tech checked system coupla weeks ago. Unable to find prob.
> 
>Suggestions?
> 
>Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Feds ask Tesla to recall 158,000 vehicles

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All debug logging turned on?

I can only imagine…

-D

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> The story first says the problem is the flash storage reaching capacity,
>> but later says it is related to the number write/erase cycles. So not
>> sure what the issue really is, but either way it's a time bomb.
> 
> Using flash memory is fraught with peril, mostly because engineers believe
> marketing hype, don't know how their systems _really_ work, or are
> careless.  Or, are forced to use it.  Or, all of the above.
> 
> It is good stuff, but you can't pretend it is anything but what it is, and you
> have to treat it accordingly.
> 
> A white paper (genericized) I wrote for a company I once worked for:
> 
> http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/flash.html 
> 
> 
> This was originally written in response to unexpected in-field failures of
> network equipment that was _more_ expensive than a Tesla.  The customer
> had turned all the internal debug logging knobs up to 11 and left them there,
> because why not?
> 
> Well, _that's_ why not!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT shrooms

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My father in law was a hard core morel mushroom hunter, and had his “special 
places” where they grew that he guarded carefully. Allen lives in such areas 
and probably has people around him hunting them as well. Father in law did a 
lot of his hunting in the Ninevah and Camp Atterbury (IN) areas, where he grew 
up.

He would go out on a Saturday and come back a few hours later with a big basket 
of them. Quite yummy.

-D

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 4:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We can take a trip and never leave the vast estate
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 1/13/21 3:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> Make sure you watch him consuming it as well.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 3:41 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>Not the magic kind (Although I know a guy who grows those)
>> 
>>This guy I know posted a FB pic of a lions mane mushroom he says
>>are really good to eat and quite healthful as well. It looked
>>kinda familiar and I realized I had seen what looked like one
>>growing in a rotted tree out behind the mansion in the dog yard.
>>ShoNuff that is what it is. He says you can slice them and cook
>>them like a steak and they taste like crabmeat. He’s gonna come by
>>the vast estate tomorrow and take a look at it. I guess this is
>>the time of year for them. We might try to “seed” a bit onto some
>>other old rotting trees too as there are quite a few trees like
>>that around in the woods.
>> 
>>This one might be a bit past it’s prime but might still be edible
>>and ok  I’ll have to go poking around the woods and see if there
>>are any more around.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>--FT
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Re: [MBZ] the polarity was reversed on the battery and now sprays wiper fluid when hooked up to power and blares the horn when the key is inserted

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I find it difficult to believe that even a car of this vintage doesn’t have 
some sort of reverse polarity protection on sensitive components/systems. It’s 
so simple to do. There’s got to be something else that’s causing this…

-D


> On Jan 13, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> How does this even happen
> 
> Assuming it's true, it happens by running everything on a common bus
> instead of separate circuits. Though I would have assumed horn and
> wipers, both being critical safety components, might be more
> independent.
> 
> Had a Dodge Caravan years back that would intermittently lose ALL
> electrical accessories: lights, HVAC, radio, wipers. Don't recall if
> horn was involved. Headlights still worked, but not turn signals. It
> would stay running and drivable. But basically every electrical
> accessory was dead. Then suddenly, everything would start working again.
> 
> Dealer replaced main computer twice under warranty, but the problem
> returned after the first replacement. After the second replacement, it
> ended up totaled before the problem returned.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] For the aviation enthusiast

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Let’s let the mods determine where subject matter should go, please.

-D

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Better yet, take that over to banned.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:33 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Tell us more
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:13 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] the polarity was reversed on the battery and now sprays wiper fluid when hooked up to power and blares the horn when the key is inserted

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Crap Class. Avoid at all costs.

-D


> On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How does this even happen
> 
> 2003 Mercedes-Benz C-Class $1200
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/478064899843460/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Blinking low fuel light and CEL in ML500

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m betting a cracked or leaking seal on the gas cap. If it’s the original, I 
would replace it just out of concern, as they’re cheap.

-D

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A smoke machine would be handy about now.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> 
> P2013-002 code "Major leak in purge system.  Hose in system not
> connected or filler cap open P0455"
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Re: [MBZ] Blinking low fuel light and CEL in ML500

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Those are always fun.

Toss your DAS on it and see what codes are stored. At least that way you’ll 
know where it’s unhappy.

-D

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Drove the vehicle this morning.  Took gas cap off and put it back on, cranked 
> it’s several clicks.  After about 20min driving the blinking light came on 
> again but not CEL. Stopped, car sat for a coupla hours, drove home, no blinky 
> light. So it must be some marginal thing. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 9:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Great, thanks. I’ll chase after it tomorrow 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Check for split hoses, missing or torn gas cap gasket, and cracked plastic 
>>> parts.  Any of them will give you fits, the tank does NOT vent out the cap 
>>> (or in, for that matter), all venting is through the evaporative control 
>>> system.
>>> 
>>> You will need to verify the operation of all the valves too, as failures 
>>> can cause vacuum leaks (which is what you have and is setting the CEL) -- 
>>> also make sure the charcoal cartridge is not plugged with crud, air gets 
>>> drawn through it to clear the gasoline out of the charcoal and if the vent 
>>> surface is clogged, you will have excess fuel since it's not being drawn 
>>> off.
>>> 
>>> Big PITA, but when it works it works well.
>>> 
>>> I need to check the system on the TE, I'm pretty sure some of my running 
>>> issues are a clogged vent line.  Perfect size for mud daubers around here, 
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Re: [MBZ] carpet cleaning methods

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I picked one of these up from the rich people’s neighborhood Facebook 
Marketplace group for $20 about a year ago:

https://www.bissell.com/little-green-portable-carpet-cleaner-1400B.html 
<https://www.bissell.com/little-green-portable-carpet-cleaner-1400B.html>

Works great with their cleaning solution. Nice, small, very portable, easy to 
operate and clean. I still might spot clean nasty stuff like grease or coffee 
with some Tuff Stuff spray foam first, but this carpet cleaner does a great job 
otherwise.

Yeah, I ran through the video at 2x and didn’t have the audio on or I would 
have caught that… I’m still amazed at the amount of liquid he uses, though.

Does he identify what he’s using on the cordless drill that looks like a 
polishing pad? I was wondering what that was.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I was talking about the vacuum thing. Its like a carpet shampooer but on a 
> smaller scale.
> 
> He talks in some of the videos about how he leaves the car open in his heated 
> garage for several hours which dries it out. If you look at his website a 
> full detail like in the video is $500+ which I can understand, its gotta take 
> most of a day, then add several hours of drying...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 3:19:35 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Curt, are you talking about the steam wand thingy he was using?
> 
> I looked at the video - I was amazed at how much liquid he used when cleaning 
> stuff. It was like he was flooding the carpets. That would take forever to 
> dry, even with vacuuming the bulk of the liquid out.
> 
> Maybe he doesn’t worry about it since it would freeze in a short time after 
> it leaves his shop?
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jan 11, 2021, at 1:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Have you ever watched the Detail Geek on 
> > YouTube?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBraEwtYRQ 
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBraEwtYRQ>
> > His cleanups can be pretty amazing. I'm astonished how dirty some people 
> > let their car get.
> > I'm considering buying a spot cleaner like his...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Monday, January 11, 2021, 10:27:07 AM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
> > 
> > I was thinking too that using a spray bottle with some cleaner and 
> > working it with a brush would probably do well for the cleaning, then 
> > using the big shop vac for the sucking would dry it out better than this 
> > little thing I have.  I've done that on spots.  The spray bottle might 
> > not like boiling water though, but maybe use one of the pump sprayers 
> > for weed killer or pesticides.
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > On 1/11/21 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The rental thing wouldn’t be any better, IMHO. If your existing carpet 
> >> cleaner has an upholstery setup (vacuum hose with sprayer) it’s just as 
> >> effective.
> >> 
> >> I’ve got a little one for doing cars and one thing I’ve found to be 
> >> helpful is to use near boiling water in it.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I have an ancient (30+yo) carpet/upholstery cleaning vac thing from 
> >>> Sears, works more or less but lacks some serious cleaning power, mostly 
> >>> the vacuum aspect but it does spray the cleaning solution.  I want to 
> >>> clean some carcarpets. Anyone used one of those things you rent from the 
> >>> hardware store?  Do they do any better?  Or what methods would you use?
> >>> 
> >>> I see those pics of cars for sale where they do the alternating cleaning 
> >>> passes and get the stripes in the carpet, whatever they use seems to work 
> >>> well.
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
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> >>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3, 500 (OBO) - Phoenix

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What Floyd says.

If you’re not going to do most of the work yourself, it would be a waste of 
money to invest in a STAR system. One of the cheaper handheld things can be 
helpful in narrowing problems down and making sure your mechanic doesn’t try 
and extract his monthly boat payment from you.

A properly equipped and configured STAR system will work on MBs from the mid 
1990s to at least 2012-2014. One other advantage is that in some of the later 
models, like the W211s, it also allows you to enable features that are 
otherwise locked down by the factory. However, that’s some high level stuff and 
not a place to be tinkering.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wf t through a Looking Glass once so maybe I count. 
> 
> I bought a complete Star clone system off AliExpress for like $550. You can 
> buy the little handheld systems like the iCarsoft for $150 and they do a lot 
> but not everything, they will show most codes and such but might not be able 
> to clear/reset all systems. Other handheld units that cost more can do more. 
> 
> I think for working on anything from the 90s on you need a system of some 
> sort, the Star clone is the best obviously. For that diesel you would 
> probably need the Star clone. 
> 
> The thing about this is that if you buy a “newer” (I.e. anything from the 
> 2000s) and don’t want to go broke paying a mech to sort it out every time you 
> have some issue, the Star clone will more than pay for itself if you have the 
> interest and aptitude to work on the vehicle.  Otherwise buy a Toyota or GM 
> thing (will also have issues but less proprietary maybe). 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know about mirror mortals, but regular folks can, yes. You’ll have 
>> to drop roughly $500-$800 for one. There are less expensive options, but 
>> they’re not as comprehensive and can’t always access all of the systems.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:33 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ll have to speak to my Indy I suppose. Can mirror mortals get the STAR 
>>> system?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Without a STAR system it’s all a black box. There are some things you can 
>>>> figure out, but it might mean swapping parts, which can get expensive.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’d be helping him with/teaching him to deal with those issues, and I’m 
>>>>> not certain that it’s in my wheelhouse. Is that easy stuff? I have no 
>>>>> idea. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob R
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So is he capable of dealing with the issues it has, like the CEL and 
>>>>>> SRS lights? If not, walk away.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Future SIL is now back to diggin’ MLs.
>>>>>>> What thinkest ye-all bout this one? Investigate or run away?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob R
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: nore...@craigslist.org
>>>>>>>> Date: January 12, 2021 at 7:37:27 AM MST
>>>>>>>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3,500 (OBO) - 
>>>>>>>> Phoenix
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3,500 (OBO) - Phoenix
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/d/phoenix-2007-mercedes-benz-ml-320-cdi/7254163343.html
>>

Re: [MBZ] carpet cleaning methods

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Curt, are you talking about the steam wand thingy he was using?

I looked at the video - I was amazed at how much liquid he used when cleaning 
stuff. It was like he was flooding the carpets. That would take forever to dry, 
even with vacuuming the bulk of the liquid out.

Maybe he doesn’t worry about it since it would freeze in a short time after it 
leaves his shop?

-D

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 1:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have you ever watched the Detail Geek on 
> YouTube?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBraEwtYRQ
> His cleanups can be pretty amazing. I'm astonished how dirty some people let 
> their car get.
> I'm considering buying a spot cleaner like his...
> -Curt
> 
>On Monday, January 11, 2021, 10:27:07 AM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I was thinking too that using a spray bottle with some cleaner and 
> working it with a brush would probably do well for the cleaning, then 
> using the big shop vac for the sucking would dry it out better than this 
> little thing I have.  I've done that on spots.  The spray bottle might 
> not like boiling water though, but maybe use one of the pump sprayers 
> for weed killer or pesticides.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 1/11/21 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> The rental thing wouldn’t be any better, IMHO. If your existing carpet 
>> cleaner has an upholstery setup (vacuum hose with sprayer) it’s just as 
>> effective.
>> 
>> I’ve got a little one for doing cars and one thing I’ve found to be helpful 
>> is to use near boiling water in it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have an ancient (30+yo) carpet/upholstery cleaning vac thing from Sears, 
>>> works more or less but lacks some serious cleaning power, mostly the vacuum 
>>> aspect but it does spray the cleaning solution.  I want to clean some 
>>> carcarpets. Anyone used one of those things you rent from the hardware 
>>> store?  Do they do any better?  Or what methods would you use?
>>> 
>>> I see those pics of cars for sale where they do the alternating cleaning 
>>> passes and get the stripes in the carpet, whatever they use seems to work 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --FT
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3, 500 (OBO) - Phoenix

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t know about mirror mortals, but regular folks can, yes. You’ll have to 
drop roughly $500-$800 for one. There are less expensive options, but they’re 
not as comprehensive and can’t always access all of the systems.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:33 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ll have to speak to my Indy I suppose. Can mirror mortals get the STAR 
> system?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Without a STAR system it’s all a black box. There are some things you can 
>> figure out, but it might mean swapping parts, which can get expensive.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d be helping him with/teaching him to deal with those issues, and I’m not 
>>> certain that it’s in my wheelhouse. Is that easy stuff? I have no idea. 
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So is he capable of dealing with the issues it has, like the CEL and SRS 
>>>> lights? If not, walk away.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Future SIL is now back to diggin’ MLs.
>>>>> What thinkest ye-all bout this one? Investigate or run away?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob R
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: nore...@craigslist.org
>>>>>> Date: January 12, 2021 at 7:37:27 AM MST
>>>>>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>>>>>> Subject: 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3,500 (OBO) - 
>>>>>> Phoenix
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3,500 (OBO) - Phoenix
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/d/phoenix-2007-mercedes-benz-ml-320-cdi/7254163343.html
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3, 500 (OBO) - Phoenix

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Without a STAR system it’s all a black box. There are some things you can 
figure out, but it might mean swapping parts, which can get expensive.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’d be helping him with/teaching him to deal with those issues, and I’m not 
> certain that it’s in my wheelhouse. Is that easy stuff? I have no idea. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So is he capable of dealing with the issues it has, like the CEL and SRS 
>> lights? If not, walk away.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Future SIL is now back to diggin’ MLs.
>>> What thinkest ye-all bout this one? Investigate or run away?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: nore...@craigslist.org
>>>> Date: January 12, 2021 at 7:37:27 AM MST
>>>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>>>> Subject: 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3,500 (OBO) - 
>>>> Phoenix
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>>>> 
>>>> 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3,500 (OBO) - Phoenix
>>>> 
>>>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/d/phoenix-2007-mercedes-benz-ml-320-cdi/7254163343.html
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3, 500 (OBO) - Phoenix

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So is he capable of dealing with the issues it has, like the CEL and SRS 
lights? If not, walk away.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Future SIL is now back to diggin’ MLs.
> What thinkest ye-all bout this one? Investigate or run away?
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: nore...@craigslist.org
>> Date: January 12, 2021 at 7:37:27 AM MST
>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>> Subject: 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3,500 (OBO) - Phoenix
>> 
>> 
>> azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>> 
>> 2007 Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI 4WD Sport SUV - $3,500 (OBO) - Phoenix
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1962 Mercedes Benz 220 Fintail for parts or restoration

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The bumper overrider is a Mexican thing, unique to that market. Rarely seen.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 9:46 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Boy, this is random. Hecho en Mexico for Christ sake. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
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>> From: nore...@craigslist.org
>> Date: January 12, 2021 at 7:44:42 AM MST
>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>> Subject: 1962 Mercedes Benz 220 Fintail for parts or restoration
>> 
>> 
>> azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
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>> 1962 Mercedes Benz 220 Fintail for parts or restoration
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] For the aviation enthusiast

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Piece of cake compared to Lukla:

https://kathmandupost.com/national/2017/06/07/death-plunge-cctv-footage-shows-how-goma-airs-plane-misses-the-runway-and-crashes
 


https://youtu.be/GddnY4tRZ9o 

-D

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 5:32 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Normal approach to landing in the crop dusting business... no worries
> Even a nice long runway, paved.
> 
> Heck, the runway isn't even up hill off the side of a mountain.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 2:59 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Looks fun!
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 2:42 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> 
>>> https://fb.watch/2Ysm6MiwvR/
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Re: [MBZ] Question for Jim C

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Solder wick is a good alternative to buying a solder sucker.

-D

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> 
>> When you are changing out bad caps on a board, what sort of soldering setup 
>> do you use?
> 
> A basic soldering iron with a fine tip, GOOD solder, and a Soldapult sucker.
> Nothing fancy at all.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] carpet cleaning methods

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I am not going there….

-D

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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> 
> Hydrogen peroxide does great for blood stains and other bodily fluids.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> Jan 11, 2021 10:16:05 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :
> 
>> I have an ancient (30+yo) carpet/upholstery cleaning vac thing from Sears, 
>> works more or less but lacks some serious cleaning power, mostly the vacuum 
>> aspect but it does spray the cleaning solution.  I want to clean some 
>> carcarpets. Anyone used one of those things you rent from the hardware 
>> store?  Do they do any better?  Or what methods would you use?
>> 
>> I see those pics of cars for sale where they do the alternating cleaning 
>> passes and get the stripes in the carpet, whatever they use seems to work 
>> well.
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] carpet cleaning methods

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have found the best stuff for spot cleaning is a spray foam at Wally Whirled 
call “Tuff Stuff”. It’s cheap and does a great job of removing stains by 
spraying and using a stiff brush to work it into the carpet fibers.

Interesting that I can buy it off the shelf at the store yet the web site only 
shows it as being available from third party sellers.

https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=tuff%20stuff=tuff 
<https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=tuff%20stuff=tuff>

-D

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was thinking too that using a spray bottle with some cleaner and working it 
> with a brush would probably do well for the cleaning, then using the big shop 
> vac for the sucking would dry it out better than this little thing I have.  
> I've done that on spots.  The spray bottle might not like boiling water 
> though, but maybe use one of the pump sprayers for weed killer or pesticides.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 1/11/21 10:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> The rental thing wouldn’t be any better, IMHO. If your existing carpet 
>> cleaner has an upholstery setup (vacuum hose with sprayer) it’s just as 
>> effective.
>> 
>> I’ve got a little one for doing cars and one thing I’ve found to be helpful 
>> is to use near boiling water in it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have an ancient (30+yo) carpet/upholstery cleaning vac thing from Sears, 
>>> works more or less but lacks some serious cleaning power, mostly the vacuum 
>>> aspect but it does spray the cleaning solution.  I want to clean some 
>>> carcarpets. Anyone used one of those things you rent from the hardware 
>>> store?  Do they do any better?  Or what methods would you use?
>>> 
>>> I see those pics of cars for sale where they do the alternating cleaning 
>>> passes and get the stripes in the carpet, whatever they use seems to work 
>>> well.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] carpet cleaning methods

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The rental thing wouldn’t be any better, IMHO. If your existing carpet cleaner 
has an upholstery setup (vacuum hose with sprayer) it’s just as effective.

I’ve got a little one for doing cars and one thing I’ve found to be helpful is 
to use near boiling water in it.

-D

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have an ancient (30+yo) carpet/upholstery cleaning vac thing from Sears, 
> works more or less but lacks some serious cleaning power, mostly the vacuum 
> aspect but it does spray the cleaning solution.  I want to clean some 
> carcarpets. Anyone used one of those things you rent from the hardware store? 
>  Do they do any better?  Or what methods would you use?
> 
> I see those pics of cars for sale where they do the alternating cleaning 
> passes and get the stripes in the carpet, whatever they use seems to work 
> well.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1997 SL600, 1988 560SEL, 1999 CORVETTE - $1 (PROVIDENCE PLANTATION)

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I am befuddled as well.

-D

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> this confuses me
> 
> https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/charlotte-1997-sl-sel-1999-corvette/7260271084.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1981 300D, NA. $4,500, 167k miles

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After they ripped the land off from the Indians.

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:19 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They probably struck some Okie tea
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Your family must be very wealthy to be buying all these Mercedes back in 
>> the day!
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> Jan 10, 2021 9:40:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> I actually wouldn’t mind that. It’s a boring color combo but my grandmother 
>>> used to have one just like it. Not sure I would want to pay that much for 
>>> it though.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Looks to be in nice shape.
 
 https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/westerville-1981-mercedes-benz-300d/7260105548.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] You will find yourself at ease knowing that this previous, and only owner took meticulous care of this beauty.

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There were a couple of Floyd’s posts in the byte bucket for some reason, I just 
approved them.

Everyone - remember that if you get a reject notification from the mail server 
about a post needing approval, send me a private message so I know to go in and 
release it. I check things about once daily, so if it’s after I check it could 
sit there for a day before I see it.

-D

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:12 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Some other guy named Floyd has already posted this.  Who are you and what 
> have you done with Floyd?  Body snatchers?
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> Jan 11, 2021 7:08:01 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes :
> 
>> "everything under the hood is in perfect working order". Just like me!!!
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3909981089050291/?ref=search_code=undefined
>> 
>> 2009 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S550 4MATIC
>> $6,743
>> 
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>> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
>> or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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What about when you have to travel? Where will you fly out of?

-D

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That poor truck has lived a difficult life.It'd be a perfect farm truck 
> though.
> I've started exploring the idea of living on the farm next summer. I can get 
> 100mb internet at my grandmother's house in town so I could work from there. 
> Not sure if this is a brilliant idea or if I'm an idiot.
> 
> Curt
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> 
>  On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 2:59 AM, Allan Streib via 
> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   
> $1,400 --- right up your alley, Jim.
> 
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-2000-dodge-1500/7249877989.html
> 
> 
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>>> Considering the great success you've had I went looking and found zero of 
>>> them available here.
>> 
>> Seems to be a shortage here too.  At the time of which I wrote, there were 
>> THREE for sale on CL.
>> Currently, there's one for over 10k, stupid money, and this one:
>> 
>> https://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/d/rainier-dodge-laramie-slt-2500/7246335720.html
>> 
>> Stickshift 2wd V10, rather an odd duck.
>> 
>>> Lots of Ford V10s which apparently nobody wants...
>> 
>> The Ford V10 has less displacement, and thus less torque than the Dodge.  It 
>> also has
>> a balance shaft, which is a detriment to long-term reliability.  The Dodge 
>> V10 was expressly
>> designed to have the same torque spec as the Cummins diesel, for those who 
>> wanted to
>> tow but could not stand owning a diesel.  450 lb-ft.  So far as I know, the 
>> ONLY significant
>> knock against that V10 is its fuel economy.  For an auxiliary utility 
>> vehicle, that's insignificant.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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[MBZ] Bet this is gone in short order

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> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] And the price keeps dropping...

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In Florida it has to go to a state inspection station for a complete 
inspection, which takes about 2-4 hours, after which (assuming it passes) they 
brand the car with a special VIN sticker on the "A" pillar post.

-D

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That part's the same here.
> I bought salvage, which the insurance companies can legally sell only to 
> dealers with a dismantler license, by having a dismantler buy it for me.
> 
> Then I had to pay a specially trained cop $100 (state says no more than $100, 
> which in practice means no less than $100) to inspect it, which meant 
> verifying the engine and transmission serial numbers, checking my receipts 
> for the donor car VIN for the door, and making sure lights/wipers worked. 
> Aside from checking the exterior lamps and wipers, it was all about 
> certifying that there weren't any stolen parts on it.
> 
> As far as roadworthy, he didn't even know if it would start. He pay have 
> cared if the brake pedal went to the floor during the light check.
> 
> 
> On 2021-01-09 12:31, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> My “rebuilt” title on the SL500 is due to the PO buying the car as
>> salvage from the insurance company and getting a rebuilt title when
>> the car was made roadworthy. In Florida, a salvage title brands a car
>> as being unroadworthy and it’s not legal to drive or insure it. You
>> have to get the car inspected by the state to assure it’s roadworthy,
>> then a rebuilt title is issued.
>> If you get a car with a salvage title in Florida it’s a parts car or
>> destined for dismantling. It cannot be (legally) driven on the roads.
>> When an insurance company totals a car, they have to apply for a
>> salvage title to have it dismantled.
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Re: [MBZ] And the price keeps dropping...

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I went back and looked at my files, and I was not 100% correct:

Tarek’s W140 had a “rebuilt” title from NC, which Florida would recognize as a 
“regular” car. As far as Florida is concerned, if the state designated the car 
as rebuilt it’s roadworthy and no different than any other car on the road.

My “rebuilt” title on the SL500 is due to the PO buying the car as salvage from 
the insurance company and getting a rebuilt title when the car was made 
roadworthy. In Florida, a salvage title brands a car as being unroadworthy and 
it’s not legal to drive or insure it. You have to get the car inspected by the 
state to assure it’s roadworthy, then a rebuilt title is issued.

If you get a car with a salvage title in Florida it’s a parts car or destined 
for dismantling. It cannot be (legally) driven on the roads. When an insurance 
company totals a car, they have to apply for a salvage title to have it 
dismantled.

-D

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 1:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-09 12:05, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Not to my knowledge. I’ve got a reconstructed/rebuilt car (1997 SL500)
>> and it’s clearly identified as such on the title. I’ve seen the same
>> on salvage vehicles I’ve owned here. The one thing that is weird is
>> that if you bring a salvage car in from out of state it’s not
>> identified as such on the title, but it is in the DMV records and that
>> information gets transmitted to any other state that the car is titled
>> in.
> 
> So if I retitled my orange title (rebuilt) Chevy in Florida, I'd get a 
> regular title, but if I transferred that regular title from Florida to 
> another state, it might revert to rebuilt or even salvage?
> 
> Florida might get its bad name from people taking a seemingly clean title 
> home with them and having Florida tell their home state DMV it's salvage.
> That would be bad news to get in the mail a few weeks after you buy a car out 
> of state.
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Re: [MBZ] And the price keeps dropping...

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Not to my knowledge. I’ve got a reconstructed/rebuilt car (1997 SL500) and it’s 
clearly identified as such on the title. I’ve seen the same on salvage vehicles 
I’ve owned here. The one thing that is weird is that if you bring a salvage car 
in from out of state it’s not identified as such on the title, but it is in the 
DMV records and that information gets transmitted to any other state that the 
car is titled in.

Florida’s attitude towards cars like this is appears to be that if another 
state deemed it roadworthy, they’ll title it. The record isn’t “washed” 
however, the information is still there and visible to anyone who wants to look 
it up or inquire.

-D

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-09 11:55, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Not really. Certainly nothing like states such as AL or VT. No bill of
>> sale sales, titles only.
> 
> Seems like Florida was a place to wash salvage titles, don't know if it is 
> now.
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Re: [MBZ] needs PS pump or rack? 1999 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Sedan 4D, $1, 500

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There is a $1.00 O ring on the back of the reservoir on these that takes about 
10 minutes to swap out. A common issue on these models.

-D

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-09 11:07, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5152927401448700/?ref=search_code=undefined
>>   Seller's description
>> Power steering is out (works for a week or 2 putting fluid in once) i
>> just havent gotten it fixed. air & heat work. needs new battery /
>> probably need to be towed.
> 
> Needs a reservoir, or seal under the reservoir?
> Or is that just a W163 thing?
> 
> Hmm, RockAuto says it's the same reservoir as in a W163, so that's the first 
> place I'd look.
> https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/mercedes-benz,1999,e320,3.2l+v6,1409857,steering,power+steering+reservoir,7378
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Re: [MBZ] And the price keeps dropping...

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Oldest son’s came yesterday in the mail. We got a few bucks on the 4th in an 
ACH transaction.

-D

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What stimulus checks? I haven't gotten anything.
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Wonder why stimulus checks haven’t bought this car yet?
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/palm-harbor-2003-mercedes-e320/7259288771.html
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/palm-harbor-2003-mercedes-e320/7259288771.html>
>> 
>> He keeps dropping the price. Looks decent from what I can see. Too bad I’m 
>> not in the market, I would look at it otherwise.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] And the price keeps dropping...

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Not really. Certainly nothing like states such as AL or VT. No bill of sale 
sales, titles only.

-D

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> At least at one time, Florida cars were looked upon with deep suspicion
> because of odometer rollbacks and other shenanigans. Maybe a lot of
> flood cars ended up there? I can't recall the details. Does Florida have
> fairly relaxed titling requirements?
> 
> 
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> There has to be a market to buy these FL cars cheap privately or at 
>> auction and transport them to the rust belt and make some good dineros 
>> off the deal.  I guess all you would need is a buyer at one end, a truck 
>> and car hauler trailer, and a place at the other end to store them or 
>> distribute them.  Maybe that is being done, I guess Carmax does it to 
>> some extent.
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] I stopped for gas and decided to sell my car

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Convertible interiors age far more rapidly than others because of their 
exposure to the elements.

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> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seats looked relatively worn for that kind of mileage.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 12:32 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> We drive ours about 5k per year ---
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:28 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Driven only 6k miles/year.  I wonder...
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 8:53 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 That would be a SL500
 
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> 
> 
> 
 
>>> 
>> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-1999-mercedes-500sl/7259193002.html
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Re: [MBZ] And the price keeps dropping...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Only if I wanted to be driving cars to Indiana all the time.

Nope.

-D

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Yes poos could make a side business out of it. 
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>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2021-01-09 10:04, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> There has to be a market to buy these FL cars cheap privately or at
>>> auction and transport them to the rust belt and make some good dineros
>>> off the deal.  I guess all you would need is a buyer at one end, a
>>> truck and car hauler trailer, and a place at the other end to store
>>> them or distribute them.  Maybe that is being done, I guess Carmax
>>> does it to some extent.
>> 
>> Poos could buy a 2nd Indiana car in FL, drive it around up north for a 
>> while, and sell it there.
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Re: [MBZ] And the price keeps dropping...

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That’s what will happen to the 1999 E320 4Matic at some point.

Whether or not it’s viable to buy here and move the cars north is questionable, 
as the costs involved to transport them, whether doing it yourself or some 
other way, would negate a lot of any potential profit I would think. CarMax 
wouldn’t do anything this old, but I”m sure they do it with later model cars as 
well as cars like convertibles.

When I used to go to the Mannheim auctions you would see truckloads of 
convertibles shipped to Florida from their PA location in the wintertime. No 
market for them up north in the winter, so move them to FL where there’s a 
year-round market.

-D

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> On 2021-01-09 10:04, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> There has to be a market to buy these FL cars cheap privately or at
>> auction and transport them to the rust belt and make some good dineros
>> off the deal.  I guess all you would need is a buyer at one end, a
>> truck and car hauler trailer, and a place at the other end to store
>> them or distribute them.  Maybe that is being done, I guess Carmax
>> does it to some extent.
> 
> Poos could buy a 2nd Indiana car in FL, drive it around up north for a while, 
> and sell it there.
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Re: [MBZ] And the price keeps dropping...

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That's what I was thinking.

-D

> On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> That would be a very decent deal at $2500  I bet cash would talk 
> 
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>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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>> 
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[MBZ] And the price keeps dropping...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Wonder why stimulus checks haven’t bought this car yet?

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/palm-harbor-2003-mercedes-e320/7259288771.html
 


He keeps dropping the price. Looks decent from what I can see. Too bad I’m not 
in the market, I would look at it otherwise.

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Re: [MBZ] Insanity

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And Spencer, IN isn’t exactly the market for a $40,000 jacked up Beetle. Unless 
you’re trying to sell it to John Mellencamp (if he has any money left.)

-D


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> Wel
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> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/spencer-baja-bug/7258986933.html
> 
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> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2538247556488222/
>> 
>> --FT 
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Re: [MBZ] Wtf?

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This is the Reinvent The Wheel idiots. I got spammed by them directly for a 
piece of their business about two years ago. I was talking to Pierre and they 
had spammed him as well, which led to a video tirade about these guys because 
they part cars out instead of trying to save them.

If you look at their “About Us” page it shows them:

https://mbzparts.com/about-us/ 

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I have no idea. I think these are the reinvent the wheel people. 
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>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if it’s that guy that was the new Rusty who tried to screw us back 
>> when  Jabba was pretty good compared to him
>> 
>> --FT
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>>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>>> https://mbzparts.com/invest/?fbclid=IwAR1yrh2ZERi2NllF8xHBGK2Gb05MxYmoVZdyBShg7D0SLzHb3yDY7ynQ3jI
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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I think the Rangers might be a good choice, but I‘ll look at the Chevy 
equivalent, too. I’m more comfortable with Ford products over the years, so 
given the choice I would lean in that direction.

I’m going to spend some time this weekend doing more in-depth research.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> On 2021-01-08 14:07, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
>> Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...
> 
> Specifically, I was talking about trucks from 1972-1982 wearing that name.
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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Why? What makes the Chevy better than the Ford, for example?

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Colorado/canyon 
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>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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>> 
>> I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t care 
>> about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive trailer. 
>> I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have decent small 
>> trucks?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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>>> 
>>> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
>>> about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the earlier 
>>> model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will have the 
>>> aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
>>> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
>>> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
>>>> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law 
>>>> has decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is 
>>>> ridiculous how expensive they are.
>>>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>>>> will try to help the boy out.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t care 
about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive trailer. I’m 
wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have decent small trucks?

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at about 
> 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the earlier model 
> which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will have the aluminum 
> body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
>> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous 
>> how expensive they are.
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>> will try to help the boy out.
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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From my initial research, which is barely conclusive, the Ford Ranger appears 
to be a decent choice. I’m not sold on the Toyota or Nissan, they were just my 
starting point.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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> Seriously people? Why would you buy nasty Toyotas? The Toyota pick up truck 
> is the preferred vehicle of terrorists in the Middle East and Gypsies in 
> Western Europe. Such disgusting associations.
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>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob says:
>> 
>>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
>> 
>> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small 
>> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and 
>> shop. Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There 
>> are occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative 
>> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan 
>> Frontier. Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure 
>> points of each particular make and model and what your tolerance for repairs 
>> is.
>> 
>> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short 
>> beds, and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general 
>> public. A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so 
>> will be priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when 
>> the time comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded 
>> car trailer.
>> 
>> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you, 
>> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction 
>> though.
>> 
>> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a 
>> used truck he is looking at.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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Why?

I will say that the Nissan Frontier is just as pricey. For grins I looked at 
Ford Rangers and saw a few that were pretty decent for reasonable money.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Buy a Chevy. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
>> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous 
>> how expensive they are.
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>> will try to help the boy out.
>> 
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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You must be psychic.

I started looking at them just the other day as a retirement vehicle. And yes, 
they’re stupid expensive.

If you’re shopping on price, you’ll want to go for the basic four cylinder, 
standard cab 2WD model, of which I found very few. Even ones from the early 
2000s are bringing big bucks with reasonable mileage. Add the larger cab and 
4WD and he price goes up exponentially.

I had forgotten about the Nissan equivalent, which would be just as good for 
me, so I’m going to start researching those as well.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
> expensive they are.
> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
> will try to help the boy out.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes Benz 300SDL w126 / $9, 500 FIRM - $9, 500 (Statesboro)

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Very nice.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 8:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Pretty blue, looks to be in excellent condition
> 
> https://statesboro.craigslist.org/cto/d/portal-1987-mercedes-benz-300sdl-firm/7258365581.html
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Re: [MBZ] Someone stole the catalytic converter so needs a catalytic converter and paint job

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Same thing around here, as well as for scrap copper and AC condensers. They 
want a driver’s license, they take your picture and get a thumbprint.

I had a spare set of aluminum wheels for one of the Focii, as the youngest had 
bought some aftermarket wheels for his. I ended up scrapping them as they had 
minimal street value. No problem doing it, but there’s no question they would 
have been able to track me down after the fact had they needed to.

-D

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
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> 
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> If a scrapyard will buy seemingly illicit copper/platinum/whatever, meth 
>> heads will steal it.
> 
> So there is some underground scrap market for sawn-off converters? None
> of the scrap yards/recyclers around here will touch them, they even take
> your name and ID before they will pay for an old washing machine or
> water heater.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - (Airless) Paint Sprayers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I may not have been specific enough - I wasn’t talking about compressor type 
guns, I meant the 120VAC self contained ones. Sorry about that.

Thanks for the video links, I’ll check them out. And yes, the HF one (Avati?) 
actually looks pretty decent. I haven’t looked at the Graco ones yet.

-D

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 3:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Believe it or not, the cheapo HF gun gets pretty high marks for automotive 
> paints. The key to any successful paint job using air sprayers is clean, dry 
> air. For an airless sprayer I would probably go with a Graco or equivalent.
> 
> I follow this guy on YT. No, I haven't watched these particular videos.
> 
> https://youtu.be/Gt9HFtwE8HY
> 
> https://youtu.be/jzzqUg3l1pE
> 
> Paint gun.
> 
> https://youtu.be/-CldQMpGaiA
> 
> https://youtu.be/jKaXpBOW0-0
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Paint Sprayers
> 
> Looking for a recommendation for a paint sprayer, handheld, probably HVLP, 
> that can handle latex paints. I’ve got a bunch of doors I want to paint for 
> the house and this would be a good reason to break down and get a sprayer. My 
> previous experiences with these are about 10-15 years old, and they weren’t 
> pleasant ones. Hopefully, newer technology has made them better.
> 
> TIA,
> 
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[MBZ] OT - Paint Sprayers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looking for a recommendation for a paint sprayer, handheld, probably HVLP, that 
can handle latex paints. I’ve got a bunch of doors I want to paint for the 
house and this would be a good reason to break down and get a sprayer. My 
previous experiences with these are about 10-15 years old, and they weren’t 
pleasant ones. Hopefully, newer technology has made them better.

TIA,

-D
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Re: [MBZ] IF U MESSAGE ME SAYING 2800 OR LESS I WILL NOT REPLY

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A skilled negotiator, no doubt.

-D

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D
> $4,000
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/314583766544624/?ref=search_code=undefined
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Vacuum Leaks

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s been my experience that the valve on the front (driver’s) door rarely 
leaks. It’s pretty robust.

One often missed item is the bushing that seals the vacuum line to the vacuum 
reservoir in the front fender. Like windshield washer pump bushings, I keep one 
of these on hand.

-D

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> I think it's the front passenger door lock
> 
> Certainly a prime suspect, but there's also the HVAC system,
> and the vacuum reservoir itself to look at.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Collection For Sale

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Like all the other cars he’s flipped on BaT?

< ducking >

-D

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 5:41 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Get off your wallet my Okie friend. Just think how much money you would make 
> with them on BAT. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes I bet seller would love to move them all at once. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 4:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> need to LOBALL the whole lot
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
> On 1/5/21 5:09 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
 I'd be all over this deal!
 
 1995 Mercedes-Benz E320 Cabriolet Red/Tan 125k miles $4,700
 
 I'd buy two of the 124 convertibles, flip one and come out money ahead.
 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 
 
 Jan 5, 2021 2:53:15 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes :
 
> Holy moly. What a pedestrian collection.
> 
> Bob R
> 
> 
>> Mercedes Collection For Sale
>> 
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/d/fountain-hills-mercedes-collection-for/7257047126.html
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Vintage Mercedes 300CD coupe

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are other subtle differences, too, like different torque converters 
(lock-ups in the 85 models, I believe) that also affect performance.

-D

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
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> 
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Seems like the 617 Turbo was in 78-85 SD, 81-85 TD, and 82-85 CD+D
> 
> They aren't all exactly the same either. Not sure what accounts for the
> differences but rated horsepower is from 109 to 123 HP over the OM617.950,
> .951, .952 variants and production years.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Vintage Mercedes 300CD coupe

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

W123 diesel coupes weren’t turbo’ed until the early 80s, like the sedans and 
wagons. This one is NA and has the dreaded ACC servo. Note that they mention 
the heat and AC isn’t working. That does not bode well…

-D

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
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> 
> Might have been turbo a year or two earlier in CD than D.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
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> 
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 4:45 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> 
>> On 2021-01-05 15:37, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I think some of the early ones were NA. Will Have to check my Nitske
>>> book.
>> 
>> 
>> Seems like the 617 Turbo was in 78-85 SD, 81-85 TD, and 82-85 CD+D
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Collection For Sale

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Look like some good BaT flip cars in there.

-D

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 2:52 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> Holy moly. What a pedestrian collection. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> 
>> 
>> Mercedes Collection For Sale
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clean low miles E300D

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The W124s are pretty darned bulletproof, and you can’t do better than a diesel 
model if you want a car you could expect to drive for a million miles.

-D

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I know, it’s just that the newer cars are more refined although the 124 
> is a solid ride. 
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe, but did you see the miles? I think the price was pretty reasonable 
>> for the miles and market and condition.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pretty steep, you could find a 210 or 211 diesel for that kind of money 
>>> 
>>> --FT
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>>>>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 10 miles from home but not a bluetec.
>>>> https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/m-Club-Cars-sp400038#listing=291800597
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Re: [MBZ] Jaguar XKE coupe project car

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I once did a complete mechanical restoration on a 1966 E-type coupe. 
Blueprinted and balanced the engine, rebuilt carbs, etc., etc. An amazing car 
to drive when sorted. Loads and loads of fun. The best were the V12s, but from 
a performance standpoint they weren’t that great, as it added a lot of weight 
to the front end. The 3.8 was a good engine, but repower one with the later 4.2 
liter inline six and you had a serious race car.

I’ll never forget the first V12 XJ we had in the shop, a 1976 silver with 
maroon interior. Stunningly beautiful car. I drove it home one night, and was 
stunned that on a road that was 30 mph, which I thought I was doing, I was 
actually going about 60 mph! The ride was amazing, there was no indication of 
speed it was so smooth.

-D

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 1:15 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> I worked with a guy in like 1982 or so who had a white E-type coupe, black 
> interior, was in beautiful shape. Got married and the new wife didn’t think 
> it was appropriate so he had to sell it. I think maybe $3k or so if I recall. 
> Even in today’s dollars that would be what, $10-12k?  I was not particularly 
> partial to the coupes or I might have considered it. 
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jan 5, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Insanity reigns.  I think this exemplifies the top of the collector car
>> market.
>> 
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