Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
SQLite to be exact. You can download a special browser to look at the databases if you have access to the phone. If you don’t, this data is no more available to anyone than the phone’s owner. That is, you would have to crack the phone’s passcode to view the databases. -D > On May 30, 2019, at 3:21 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > iPhones have a SQL database in which everything is stored. One can access > this database and see what is in there, what's been stored, etc. > > --FT (not that I would actually have experience in that regard...) > > On 5/30/19 2:52 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> Do smartphones have anything like a hosts file? >> I would think they do. I suppose a device would have to be "rooted" for >> access. >> >> Rick >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
> Rick wrote: > Facebook collects a ton of data also. Even if you don't have an > account with them. Yup. And more and accurate data when you do have an account. > It is speculated FB, and perhaps others can listen to > conversations, even when the app is not open. True? It's possible. I don't know if it's true. On Android, control of iptables can really cut down on leaks - but requires root. There are a couple userspace firewalls that should control any "respectable" apps - but I don't think face book counts as respectable. NetGuard is one. Using it will almost certainly intrude on user experience. I don't > know. I use FB on a Firefox mobile browser, with Adblock Plus, > Privacy Badger, Noscript, and still get a few targeted ads > (stuff I've searched for). Blame cookies and web bugs. Block those and you should browse "clean". Of course, cookies are needed to log in to face book and other places, but if the cookies are deleted upon logout then even the web bugs will have less to report. Another option is multiple browsers. I'm not sure how much is shared between them, but a lot less than within one! Again, cookies, web bug, javascript, multiple browsers all are methods that will impact user experience. You have to decide if the bother is worth it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
iPhones have a SQL database in which everything is stored. One can access this database and see what is in there, what's been stored, etc. --FT (not that I would actually have experience in that regard...) On 5/30/19 2:52 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Do smartphones have anything like a hosts file? I would think they do. I suppose a device would have to be "rooted" for access. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
>Do smartphones have anything like a hosts file? I would think they do. I suppose a device would have to be "rooted" for access. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
On Thu, 30 May 2019 16:50:52 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: > >Alphabet/Google reads all my text messages, that is troubling > > Facebook collects a ton of data also. Even if you don't have an account > with them. It is speculated FB, and perhaps others can listen to > conversations, even when the app is not open. True? I don't know. I use > FB on a Firefox mobile browser, with Adblock Plus, Privacy Badger, > Noscript, and still get a few targeted ads (stuff I've searched for). > If I disable the add-ons, the advertising is overwhelming. Most > articles I read, I use reader mode anyway. The same can be done in > chrome mobile also. Do smartphones have anything like a hosts file? On our desktop and laptop (in Windows, as well as Linux), I have some of the Googs and all of fb, twitter, pinterest, and many other suspect sites blocked by setting the addresses to the local dump url (127.0.0.1 or 0.0.0.0). I ran across winhelp2002.mvps.org and the fellow's edited host file works on Linux, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
>Alphabet/Google reads all my text messages, that is troubling Facebook collects a ton of data also. Even if you don't have an account with them. It is speculated FB, and perhaps others can listen to conversations, even when the app is not open. True? I don't know. I use FB on a Firefox mobile browser, with Adblock Plus, Privacy Badger, Noscript, and still get a few targeted ads (stuff I've searched for). If I disable the add-ons, the advertising is overwhelming. Most articles I read, I use reader mode anyway. The same can be done in chrome mobile also. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
Yes, but haven't figured out how to stop the text message issue yet. I've also got other email accounts with another email provider to compartmentalize. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 8:14 AM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Have you bothered to go into your Google account and minimize the data > they can collect? Using Activity Controls and Ad Settings can cut down > significantly on the data they have access to. After that you use their > Takeout tool to download your data history and clean that out, too. > > There are other means of denying them information if you do some research. > > This is also why I don’t use a Google account for my primary email. > > -D > > > On May 30, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Alphabet/Google reads all my text messages, that is troubling. They've > > already got a ton of other info, and info is power, so denying them some > of > > my info is better than denying them none. > > > > In my opinion, this reason alone is sufficient to encourage all my > friends > > and family to switch over to Signal. Whatsapp is owned by fakebook, so > > that's not an option. > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
Have you bothered to go into your Google account and minimize the data they can collect? Using Activity Controls and Ad Settings can cut down significantly on the data they have access to. After that you use their Takeout tool to download your data history and clean that out, too. There are other means of denying them information if you do some research. This is also why I don’t use a Google account for my primary email. -D > On May 30, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Alphabet/Google reads all my text messages, that is troubling. They've > already got a ton of other info, and info is power, so denying them some of > my info is better than denying them none. > > In my opinion, this reason alone is sufficient to encourage all my friends > and family to switch over to Signal. Whatsapp is owned by fakebook, so > that's not an option. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
Alphabet/Google reads all my text messages, that is troubling. They've already got a ton of other info, and info is power, so denying them some of my info is better than denying them none. In my opinion, this reason alone is sufficient to encourage all my friends and family to switch over to Signal. Whatsapp is owned by fakebook, so that's not an option. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
True, and maybe I’m being too simplistic. The point being that is if you correspond with anyone who does not use the app, your communications will not be encrypted. So unless you can get everyone you know on board with Signal, you’re sending and receiving unencrypted SMS messages (unless you’re using an iPhone and the other part is as well.) -D > On May 29, 2019, at 9:01 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Almost correct - Signal only sends info to other signal apps/users. It's > not just encrypted SMS. It's the securer alternative to WhatsApp. > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 7:51 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> It’s for text messaging, so I’m not sure how it would benefit you for >> online purchases. And yes, it’s an excellent choice for users that want to >> keep their text messaging encrypted if they’re not using iMessage (Apple) >> or another encrypted messaging app. It’s not terribly useful as the person >> on the other end is using a native messaging app, however. In other words, >> if you send me an SMS message with Signal and I don’t have the app >> installed on my phone, you’re no more secure than if you were using the >> native Android messaging app of your choice. The receiving entity has to >> have Signal on their phone, too for the message to be encrypted. >> >> As for email, if you’re trying to secure that, it’s a whole ‘nother ball >> game. >> >> And do be aware that your ISP/phone provider is logging everything that >> goes across the wire, too. >> >> There is so much data being vacuumed up that it’s a complete 'whack a >> mole” world out there. I’m a security professional with all the tools >> necessary at my fingertips, and I don’t bother with stuff like this unless >> I’m doing OSINT or HUMINT work, depending on the entity I’m doing it for. >> >> Going dark takes a LOT of time and energy. There are a lot of nice little >> tools like browser extensions you can use to keep the amount of personal >> data that gets scraped to a minimum, but it you want to go all in, and just >> about anyone can, it takes some serious effort and inconvenience to do so. >> >> -D >> >> >> >>> On May 29, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> With all the info out recently about The Googs keeping a database of >> everything someone purchases through a g mail account I figure that an open >> source app with good privacy will keep my communications more secure. I use >> Android, so more risk than apple stuff. Signal is a non-profit, so less >> incentive to monetize the user. >>> >>> One of my boys is a computer science guy, he recommends it. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan >> Penoff via Mercedes >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 5:22 PM >>> To: Okie Benz >>> Cc: Dan Penoff >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App >>> >>> I am aware of it, being a security guy. Why would you need it? >>> >>> -D >>> On May 29, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Anyone use this? >> https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/apps/a25736/signal-app-guide-how-to-use/ Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
Almost correct - Signal only sends info to other signal apps/users. It's not just encrypted SMS. It's the securer alternative to WhatsApp. On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 7:51 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It’s for text messaging, so I’m not sure how it would benefit you for > online purchases. And yes, it’s an excellent choice for users that want to > keep their text messaging encrypted if they’re not using iMessage (Apple) > or another encrypted messaging app. It’s not terribly useful as the person > on the other end is using a native messaging app, however. In other words, > if you send me an SMS message with Signal and I don’t have the app > installed on my phone, you’re no more secure than if you were using the > native Android messaging app of your choice. The receiving entity has to > have Signal on their phone, too for the message to be encrypted. > > As for email, if you’re trying to secure that, it’s a whole ‘nother ball > game. > > And do be aware that your ISP/phone provider is logging everything that > goes across the wire, too. > > There is so much data being vacuumed up that it’s a complete 'whack a > mole” world out there. I’m a security professional with all the tools > necessary at my fingertips, and I don’t bother with stuff like this unless > I’m doing OSINT or HUMINT work, depending on the entity I’m doing it for. > > Going dark takes a LOT of time and energy. There are a lot of nice little > tools like browser extensions you can use to keep the amount of personal > data that gets scraped to a minimum, but it you want to go all in, and just > about anyone can, it takes some serious effort and inconvenience to do so. > > -D > > > > > On May 29, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > With all the info out recently about The Googs keeping a database of > everything someone purchases through a g mail account I figure that an open > source app with good privacy will keep my communications more secure. I use > Android, so more risk than apple stuff. Signal is a non-profit, so less > incentive to monetize the user. > > > > One of my boys is a computer science guy, he recommends it. > > > > Greg > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff via Mercedes > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 5:22 PM > > To: Okie Benz > > Cc: Dan Penoff > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App > > > > I am aware of it, being a security guy. Why would you need it? > > > > -D > > > >> On May 29, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Anyone use this? > >> > >> > >> > >> > https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/apps/a25736/signal-app-guide-how-to-use/ > >> > >> > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
It’s for text messaging, so I’m not sure how it would benefit you for online purchases. And yes, it’s an excellent choice for users that want to keep their text messaging encrypted if they’re not using iMessage (Apple) or another encrypted messaging app. It’s not terribly useful as the person on the other end is using a native messaging app, however. In other words, if you send me an SMS message with Signal and I don’t have the app installed on my phone, you’re no more secure than if you were using the native Android messaging app of your choice. The receiving entity has to have Signal on their phone, too for the message to be encrypted. As for email, if you’re trying to secure that, it’s a whole ‘nother ball game. And do be aware that your ISP/phone provider is logging everything that goes across the wire, too. There is so much data being vacuumed up that it’s a complete 'whack a mole” world out there. I’m a security professional with all the tools necessary at my fingertips, and I don’t bother with stuff like this unless I’m doing OSINT or HUMINT work, depending on the entity I’m doing it for. Going dark takes a LOT of time and energy. There are a lot of nice little tools like browser extensions you can use to keep the amount of personal data that gets scraped to a minimum, but it you want to go all in, and just about anyone can, it takes some serious effort and inconvenience to do so. -D > On May 29, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes > wrote: > > With all the info out recently about The Googs keeping a database of > everything someone purchases through a g mail account I figure that an open > source app with good privacy will keep my communications more secure. I use > Android, so more risk than apple stuff. Signal is a non-profit, so less > incentive to monetize the user. > > One of my boys is a computer science guy, he recommends it. > > Greg > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff > via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 5:22 PM > To: Okie Benz > Cc: Dan Penoff > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App > > I am aware of it, being a security guy. Why would you need it? > > -D > >> On May 29, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Anyone use this? >> >> >> >> https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/apps/a25736/signal-app-guide-how-to-use/ >> >> >> >> Greg >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App
With all the info out recently about The Googs keeping a database of everything someone purchases through a g mail account I figure that an open source app with good privacy will keep my communications more secure. I use Android, so more risk than apple stuff. Signal is a non-profit, so less incentive to monetize the user. One of my boys is a computer science guy, he recommends it. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 5:22 PM To: Okie Benz Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: "Signal" App I am aware of it, being a security guy. Why would you need it? -D > On May 29, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes > wrote: > > Anyone use this? > > > > https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/apps/a25736/signal-app-guide-how-to-use/ > > > > Greg > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
