Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
Complain to eBay, reverse charges on paypal, and seller may be booted from the site. Might even get cash back On Tuesday, July 11, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Zeitgeist wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention that the seller also has some rather nasty Negative Feedback, which should've been red flag enough. I screwed up royale on this one. On 7/11/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if finally happened...I got taken by an Ebay scheister. Let me state at the outset that I screwed up and didn't do my homework here, but nevertheless, the item in question was not fairly represented. I've been looking for some time now for a newer dash to replace the cracked and faded one in my TD. I thought I'd found it: Up for sale us a used complete dash panel from a 1992 Mercedes 300E. As you can see this item is in excellent condition, all mounting brackets are present while the top doesn't suffer from tears or rips. item was pulled from a 1992 Mercedes 300E Please do additional research for additional models and years Payment must be received within three days from the auction end. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=140003138802 Sounds complete and excellent, huh? Wrong! This thing is tweaked, badly. It's missing both the pieces of wood trim to the left of the glovebox. There appears to be crash impact dents on the front edge of the top, while the lower edge is twisted and distorted, so that the glovebox door won't open or close correctly; essentially this thing is $130 of complete worthlessness. Upon closer inspection of the one photo in the ad, I can now see that the wood trim is missing, but at the time the phrase complete dash panel obscured my vision--dumb, huh? The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I promise), so what can I do now? I paid through PayPal, does that change anything? Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough, but the seller also deserves some blame here, correct? Do I have any recourse at this point? -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
yep, a little too far, to the point of screwing over sellers. Roger Conlon wrote: Message: 15 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:13:58 - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go through PayPal. They will require an expert opinion on company letterhead. Then you take the dash to your local MB dealer and have them write a letter stating why the dash isn't in excellent condition. Fax the letter to PayPal and they will secure the funds to refund your money upon return shipment to the seller. It's not too painful, but will take a few days. Luther File a dispute with Paypal Ebay. I feel both have come along way to help protect the buyer. Roger _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
well logic would sugest that, but not so. I have been screwed over several times when the buyer really had not case or cause to even file anything. They simply didnt read the auction John Ervine wrote: Roger Conlon wrote: File a dispute with Paypal Ebay. I feel both have come along way to help protect the buyer. Ebay and PayPal both are funded by sellers - not buyers. Who do you think their policies protect the most? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
yep Mitch Haley wrote: John Ervine wrote: Ebay and PayPal both are funded by sellers - not buyers. Who do you think their policies protect the most? eBay has owned Paycrooks for several years now. Their policies protect their interests, not buyers or sellers. Paycrooks has been accused of taking the money back from the seller and not returning it to the buyer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
this is the main point. on ebay, you need to buy the seller and not the item. if a guy has a bunch of nasty feedback, he is a bad vendor. i usally won't buy from a high volume seller with under 99% positives. it's virtually impossible to get 100% feedback on ebay if you sell a lot stuff (there will always be the newbie who gives you a negative because they didn't feel the box you sent it in was brown enough) on lower volume sellers, i want to see a history of selling like items (in this case, used mercedes parts) and any negatives to appear to not be their fault. if i can't buy the seller to this standard, i don't buy the item. On 7/11/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention that the seller also has some rather nasty Negative Feedback, which should've been red flag enough. I screwed up royale on this one. On 7/11/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if finally happened...I got taken by an Ebay scheister. Let ment state at the outset that I screwed up and didn't do my homework here, but nevertheless, the item in question was not fairly represented. I've been looking for some time now for a newer dash to replace the cracked and faded one in my TD. I thought I'd found it: Up for sale us a used complete dash panel from a 1992 Mercedes 300E. As you can see this item is in excellent condition, all mounting brackets are present while the top doesn't suffer from tears or rips. item was pulled from a 1992 Mercedes 300E Please do additional research for additional models and years Payment must be received within three days from the auction end. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=140003138802 Sounds complete and excellent, huh? Wrong! This thing is tweaked, badly. It's missing both the pieces of wood trim to the left of the glovebox. There appears to be crash impact dents on the front edge of the top, while the lower edge is twisted and distorted, so that the glovebox door won't open or close correctly; essentially this thing is $130 of complete worthlessness. Upon closer inspection of the one photo in the ad, I can now see that the wood trim is missing, but at the time the phrase complete dash panel obscured my vision--dumb, huh? The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I promise), so what can I do now? I paid through PayPal, does that change anything? Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough, but the seller also deserves some blame here, correct? Do I have any recourse at this point? -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
Oh, I forgot to mention that the seller also has some rather nasty Negative Feedback, which should've been red flag enough. I screwed up royale on this one. On 7/11/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if finally happened...I got taken by an Ebay scheister. Let me state at the outset that I screwed up and didn't do my homework here, but nevertheless, the item in question was not fairly represented. I've been looking for some time now for a newer dash to replace the cracked and faded one in my TD. I thought I'd found it: Up for sale us a used complete dash panel from a 1992 Mercedes 300E. As you can see this item is in excellent condition, all mounting brackets are present while the top doesn't suffer from tears or rips. item was pulled from a 1992 Mercedes 300E Please do additional research for additional models and years Payment must be received within three days from the auction end. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=140003138802 Sounds complete and excellent, huh? Wrong! This thing is tweaked, badly. It's missing both the pieces of wood trim to the left of the glovebox. There appears to be crash impact dents on the front edge of the top, while the lower edge is twisted and distorted, so that the glovebox door won't open or close correctly; essentially this thing is $130 of complete worthlessness. Upon closer inspection of the one photo in the ad, I can now see that the wood trim is missing, but at the time the phrase complete dash panel obscured my vision--dumb, huh? The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I promise), so what can I do now? I paid through PayPal, does that change anything? Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough, but the seller also deserves some blame here, correct? Do I have any recourse at this point? -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
Time to start surfing the eBay site map. I forget where it is, maybe under Trust and Safety (though something tells me they moved it out of there an put it under another heading), but there is a place to lodge fraud complaints. IIRC PayPal will only back you up on non-receipt of goods, and then only for 30 days. But it's been a while since I had to deal with this (at the wrong end, actually, for a guy who went postal on me when a package was delayed in transit), so I'm sorta fuzzy. It's bloody hard to get your hands on a living, breathing eBay employee to get action... but it can be done. Good luck Mac on 7/11/06 1:45 PM, Zeitgeist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention that the seller also has some rather nasty Negative Feedback, which should've been red flag enough. I screwed up royale on this one. On 7/11/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if finally happened...I got taken by an Ebay scheister. Let me state at the outset that I screwed up and didn't do my homework here, but nevertheless, the item in question was not fairly represented. I've been looking for some time now for a newer dash to replace the cracked and faded one in my TD. I thought I'd found it: Up for sale us a used complete dash panel from a 1992 Mercedes 300E. As you can see this item is in excellent condition, all mounting brackets are present while the top doesn't suffer from tears or rips. item was pulled from a 1992 Mercedes 300E Please do additional research for additional models and years Payment must be received within three days from the auction end. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=1400031388 02 Sounds complete and excellent, huh? Wrong! This thing is tweaked, badly. It's missing both the pieces of wood trim to the left of the glovebox. There appears to be crash impact dents on the front edge of the top, while the lower edge is twisted and distorted, so that the glovebox door won't open or close correctly; essentially this thing is $130 of complete worthlessness. Upon closer inspection of the one photo in the ad, I can now see that the wood trim is missing, but at the time the phrase complete dash panel obscured my vision--dumb, huh? The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I promise), so what can I do now? I paid through PayPal, does that change anything? Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough, but the seller also deserves some blame here, correct? Do I have any recourse at this point? -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
Go through PayPal. They will require an expert opinion on company letterhead. Then you take the dash to your local MB dealer and have them write a letter stating why the dash isn't in excellent condition. Fax the letter to PayPal and they will secure the funds to refund your money upon return shipment to the seller. It's not too painful, but will take a few days. Luther Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Time to start surfing the eBay site map. I forget where it is, maybe under Trust and Safety (though something tells me they moved it out of there an put it under another heading), but there is a place to lodge fraud complaints. IIRC PayPal will only back you up on non-receipt of goods, and then only for 30 days. But it's been a while since I had to deal with this (at the wrong end, actually, for a guy who went postal on me when a package was delayed in transit), so I'm sorta fuzzy. It's bloody hard to get your hands on a living, breathing eBay employee to get action... but it can be done. Good luck Mac on 7/11/06 1:45 PM, Zeitgeist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention that the seller also has some rather nasty Negative Feedback, which should've been red flag enough. I screwed up royale on this one. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
[MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:13:58 - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go through PayPal. They will require an expert opinion on company letterhead. Then you take the dash to your local MB dealer and have them write a letter stating why the dash isn't in excellent condition. Fax the letter to PayPal and they will secure the funds to refund your money upon return shipment to the seller. It's not too painful, but will take a few days. Luther File a dispute with Paypal Ebay. I feel both have come along way to help protect the buyer. Roger _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
Roger Conlon wrote: File a dispute with Paypal Ebay. I feel both have come along way to help protect the buyer. Ebay and PayPal both are funded by sellers - not buyers. Who do you think their policies protect the most? -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 272+kmi 1980 300TD 183+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi 1972 220 278+kmi
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
John Ervine wrote: Ebay and PayPal both are funded by sellers - not buyers. Who do you think their policies protect the most? eBay has owned Paycrooks for several years now. Their policies protect their interests, not buyers or sellers. Paycrooks has been accused of taking the money back from the seller and not returning it to the buyer. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
In a message dated 7/11/2006 10:46:17 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I promise), so what can I do now? I paid through PayPal, does that change anything? Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough, but the seller also deserves some blame here, correct? Do I have any recourse at this point? Casey, I have had 3 occasions to protest a seller via PayPal. What I learned is you must be very careful about using their canned descriptions of the deficiency. Not as described is too kind and does not fly. Missing parts or defective parts is better. Good luck, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 142 K miles
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
Did you try phoning him??Isn't that his phone number as a location?? did it come from Denver CO? Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
Ebay and PayPal are both smart and won't cut off the buyer. The buyer funds the money, without a buyer, there is no sale, there is no fee, there is no money to be made by Ebay and PayPal. My experience with a lying seller was plesant and ok. PayPal took care of me. Luther John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Roger Conlon wrote: File a dispute with Paypal Ebay. I feel both have come along way to help protect the buyer. Ebay and PayPal both are funded by sellers - not buyers. Who do you think their policies protect the most? -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 272+kmi 1980 300TD 183+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi 1972 220 278+kmi -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
[MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
Well, if finally happened...I got taken by an Ebay scheister. Let me state at the outset that I screwed up and didn't do my homework here, but nevertheless, the item in question was not fairly represented. I've been looking for some time now for a newer dash to replace the cracked and faded one in my TD. I thought I'd found it: Up for sale us a used complete dash panel from a 1992 Mercedes 300E. As you can see this item is in excellent condition, all mounting brackets are present while the top doesn't suffer from tears or rips. item was pulled from a 1992 Mercedes 300E Please do additional research for additional models and years Payment must be received within three days from the auction end. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=140003138802 Sounds complete and excellent, huh? Wrong! This thing is tweaked, badly. It's missing both the pieces of wood trim to the left of the glovebox. There appears to be crash impact dents on the front edge of the top, while the lower edge is twisted and distorted, so that the glovebox door won't open or close correctly; essentially this thing is $130 of complete worthlessness. Upon closer inspection of the one photo in the ad, I can now see that the wood trim is missing, but at the time the phrase complete dash panel obscured my vision--dumb, huh? The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I promise), so what can I do now? I paid through PayPal, does that change anything? Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough, but the seller also deserves some blame here, correct? Do I have any recourse at this point? -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: indents and bends.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 85342 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20060711/021854f6/attachment.jpe
