Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
OK, trying to wrap my head around this. So if the diesel is supposed to have the cable in at closed throttle and out at open, and the gasser is opposite, since this is a gas transmission really, should it work like the gas ones do? I wouldnt think the tranny would care if it was behind a gas engine or a diesel, it would still operate the same as it was designed I guess. Wonder why they made them backward though between gas and diesel. Im going ot have to look at my other 190D, I swear it operates the same as the gas ones do. Going to put some lucas in it today and see if I can work it loose. If not, valve body is next Peter Frederick wrote: On the 603 in a W124, the cable is full OUT at closed throttle, retracts fully into the housing at full throttle, the reverse of the gassers, which are all the way into the housing at closed throttle and all the way out at full throttle. However, I still agree you have a valve body problem, it's fairly obvious either the governor isn't supplying adequate pressure change to move the appropriate shift valve of the valve itself is defective. No upshift is a typical MB tranny failure, after all. There is a plate between the valve body and transmission that serves as a seal AND as a check ball retainer. Last diagram I saw had 27 check balls in there, with four or five different sizes, so I'd be careful to keep that valve body correclty oriented at ALL times, just to be sure! Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 10:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Every one I have seen its loose at closed throttle, and tightens at full. Now I t hink the adjustment is backwards but the actual working is the same. The modulator and vacuum stuff wouldnt have anything to do with it not upshifting would it? Would not think so. I did swap the diesel modulator over in place of the gasser version (green to red). Peter Frederick wrote: Hmmm, is that 602 cable like the 603? All the way out when the throttle is closed, goes back into the housing as the throttle opens? Backwards from the gassers. Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The cable is fine as near as I can tell, though it is different at the top end than the one out of the diesel. The diesel one is round on the end, fits in a round hole and is held in with a c clip. The one on the 2.6 and other gas cars is simply a square plastic piece that slides and locks in a square hole on the bracket. I have it to where its not exactly fitting tight and locked in like it should but does stay put and fits on the ball like it should with no slack. Also, pulling the cable out and releasing it, it goes back like its hooked up at the tranny end like it should. Jim Cathey wrote: Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- -- --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
The metal plate will keep the parts from falling out either way... Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? Well if I have to pull the valve body, I will be swapping it for the one in the tranny that came out of the car. So, I guess the tranny would be upside down, or on its side while pulling the pan and valve body. Is this one of those deals where it has to drop straight down otherwise stuff will fall out the top since its upside down, or will it be fine? Trampas wrote: As others mentioned dropping valve body is about 10 more minutes than dropping pan. I am not 100% sure on your transmission but on the 724.x there is a metal plate on top of valve body that keeps all the pieces in place thus removing valve body is simple. I would recommend trying it on a transmission that is out of car, if you are like me you have a few junk ones. This way you can get idea of what needs done. Then just do it on the one in car and swap them. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Trampas wrote: I am betting on the gummed up or kickdown cable unplugged. The problem is in the valve body either way, if you can not get it to work with a bit of driving, drop pan and swap valve body. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
I am betting on the gummed up or kickdown cable unplugged. The problem is in the valve body either way, if you can not get it to work with a bit of driving, drop pan and swap valve body. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Trampas wrote: I am betting on the gummed up or kickdown cable unplugged. The problem is in the valve body either way, if you can not get it to work with a bit of driving, drop pan and swap valve body. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
The cable is fine as near as I can tell, though it is different at the top end than the one out of the diesel. The diesel one is round on the end, fits in a round hole and is held in with a c clip. The one on the 2.6 and other gas cars is simply a square plastic piece that slides and locks in a square hole on the bracket. I have it to where its not exactly fitting tight and locked in like it should but does stay put and fits on the ball like it should with no slack. Also, pulling the cable out and releasing it, it goes back like its hooked up at the tranny end like it should. Jim Cathey wrote: Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Pulling the body is easy- Keep track of the bolts; several lengths are involved and there are a lot of them. The body will drop from the trans as a unit but actually has 4 layers. Do NOT disassemble the body unless you have gaskets and diagrams to know what goes back where when a few springs jump out (do this in a contained space where springs cannot get lost!). . When dropping the body Also keep an eye out for a few little bits. If like the 722.418 on my 300d there is a little plastic valve and other bits that MUST be set just so and may come out from where they belong when you drop the valve body. Do you have any pics to show the lines you mention? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
As others mentioned dropping valve body is about 10 more minutes than dropping pan. I am not 100% sure on your transmission but on the 724.x there is a metal plate on top of valve body that keeps all the pieces in place thus removing valve body is simple. I would recommend trying it on a transmission that is out of car, if you are like me you have a few junk ones. This way you can get idea of what needs done. Then just do it on the one in car and swap them. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Trampas wrote: I am betting on the gummed up or kickdown cable unplugged. The problem is in the valve body either way, if you can not get it to work with a bit of driving, drop pan and swap valve body. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Hmmm, is that 602 cable like the 603? All the way out when the throttle is closed, goes back into the housing as the throttle opens? Backwards from the gassers. Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The cable is fine as near as I can tell, though it is different at the top end than the one out of the diesel. The diesel one is round on the end, fits in a round hole and is held in with a c clip. The one on the 2.6 and other gas cars is simply a square plastic piece that slides and locks in a square hole on the bracket. I have it to where its not exactly fitting tight and locked in like it should but does stay put and fits on the ball like it should with no slack. Also, pulling the cable out and releasing it, it goes back like its hooked up at the tranny end like it should. Jim Cathey wrote: Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Well if I have to pull the valve body, I will be swapping it for the one in the tranny that came out of the car. So, I guess the tranny would be upside down, or on its side while pulling the pan and valve body. Is this one of those deals where it has to drop straight down otherwise stuff will fall out the top since its upside down, or will it be fine? Trampas wrote: As others mentioned dropping valve body is about 10 more minutes than dropping pan. I am not 100% sure on your transmission but on the 724.x there is a metal plate on top of valve body that keeps all the pieces in place thus removing valve body is simple. I would recommend trying it on a transmission that is out of car, if you are like me you have a few junk ones. This way you can get idea of what needs done. Then just do it on the one in car and swap them. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Trampas wrote: I am betting on the gummed up or kickdown cable unplugged. The problem is in the valve body either way, if you can not get it to work with a bit of driving, drop pan and swap valve body. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Every one I have seen its loose at closed throttle, and tightens at full. Now I t hink the adjustment is backwards but the actual working is the same. The modulator and vacuum stuff wouldnt have anything to do with it not upshifting would it? Would not think so. I did swap the diesel modulator over in place of the gasser version (green to red). Peter Frederick wrote: Hmmm, is that 602 cable like the 603? All the way out when the throttle is closed, goes back into the housing as the throttle opens? Backwards from the gassers. Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The cable is fine as near as I can tell, though it is different at the top end than the one out of the diesel. The diesel one is round on the end, fits in a round hole and is held in with a c clip. The one on the 2.6 and other gas cars is simply a square plastic piece that slides and locks in a square hole on the bracket. I have it to where its not exactly fitting tight and locked in like it should but does stay put and fits on the ball like it should with no slack. Also, pulling the cable out and releasing it, it goes back like its hooked up at the tranny end like it should. Jim Cathey wrote: Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
I should have taken pics before I installed the trans. To get an idea though, if you have an epc, look up a 260E or a 190E 2.6 and you will see them. Actually, see if you can open the attatched file, see the line assembly numbered 170, thats is. The solenoid is 205. Tony Wirtel wrote: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Pulling the body is easy- Keep track of the bolts; several lengths are involved and there are a lot of them. The body will drop from the trans as a unit but actually has 4 layers. Do NOT disassemble the body unless you have gaskets and diagrams to know what goes back where when a few springs jump out (do this in a contained space where springs cannot get lost!). . When dropping the body Also keep an eye out for a few little bits. If like the 722.418 on my 300d there is a little plastic valve and other bits that MUST be set just so and may come out from where they belong when you drop the valve body. Do you have any pics to show the lines you mention? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trannyline.xps Type: application/vnd.ms-xpsdocument Size: 115466 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080913/b0a6f337/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
That didnt work, here is a link http://www.okiebenz.com/files/trannyline.xps Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I should have taken pics before I installed the trans. To get an idea though, if you have an epc, look up a 260E or a 190E 2.6 and you will see them. Actually, see if you can open the attatched file, see the line assembly numbered 170, thats is. The solenoid is 205. Tony Wirtel wrote: Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? How hard is it to pull the valve body? Im guessing a hell of a lot easier than pulling the whole tranny. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. Pulling the body is easy- Keep track of the bolts; several lengths are involved and there are a lot of them. The body will drop from the trans as a unit but actually has 4 layers. Do NOT disassemble the body unless you have gaskets and diagrams to know what goes back where when a few springs jump out (do this in a contained space where springs cannot get lost!). . When dropping the body Also keep an eye out for a few little bits. If like the 722.418 on my 300d there is a little plastic valve and other bits that MUST be set just so and may come out from where they belong when you drop the valve body. Do you have any pics to show the lines you mention? Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
On the 603 in a W124, the cable is full OUT at closed throttle, retracts fully into the housing at full throttle, the reverse of the gassers, which are all the way into the housing at closed throttle and all the way out at full throttle. However, I still agree you have a valve body problem, it's fairly obvious either the governor isn't supplying adequate pressure change to move the appropriate shift valve of the valve itself is defective. No upshift is a typical MB tranny failure, after all. There is a plate between the valve body and transmission that serves as a seal AND as a check ball retainer. Last diagram I saw had 27 check balls in there, with four or five different sizes, so I'd be careful to keep that valve body correclty oriented at ALL times, just to be sure! Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 10:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Every one I have seen its loose at closed throttle, and tightens at full. Now I t hink the adjustment is backwards but the actual working is the same. The modulator and vacuum stuff wouldnt have anything to do with it not upshifting would it? Would not think so. I did swap the diesel modulator over in place of the gasser version (green to red). Peter Frederick wrote: Hmmm, is that 602 cable like the 603? All the way out when the throttle is closed, goes back into the housing as the throttle opens? Backwards from the gassers. Peter On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The cable is fine as near as I can tell, though it is different at the top end than the one out of the diesel. The diesel one is round on the end, fits in a round hole and is held in with a c clip. The one on the 2.6 and other gas cars is simply a square plastic piece that slides and locks in a square hole on the bracket. I have it to where its not exactly fitting tight and locked in like it should but does stay put and fits on the ball like it should with no slack. Also, pulling the cable out and releasing it, it goes back like its hooked up at the tranny end like it should. Jim Cathey wrote: Can I pull the valve body out of the old tranny and put it in this one? Probably. How hard is it to pull the valve body? About 10 minutes more than changing the oil. Kickdown cable unplugged? You mean the wire to the kickdown solenoid? I have it unplugged right now, does same thing plugged in. No, the cable on the side that adjusts shift points. Mine had one, I managed to break it off when removing the tranny. The electrical solenoid is different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- -- --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
[MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
Kaleb. Shift cable way out of adjustment? Plugged trans filter? YMMV Fred Moir Lynn MA At 07:34 PM 9/12/2008, you wrote: OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
I completely unhooked the control pressure cable and it made no difference. Unless you are talking about the shifter linkage is out of adjustment. Not thinking so but will check. Goes in reverse, then 2 more clicks to drive. Filter is new. Pan looked good with no crap in it. Frederick W Moir wrote: Kaleb. Shift cable way out of adjustment? Plugged trans filter? YMMV Fred Moir Lynn MA At 07:34 PM 9/12/2008, you wrote: OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas?
maybe something is gummed up from sitting. Might have to give this a try. Curt Raymond wrote: Very similar to my Dodge last Christmas... I put half a bottle the Lucas stuff in it and drove it around until the trans got warm, then let it sit overnight. The next day if I slipped into neutral and back to drive it'd shift up. After some driving it'd shift up reliably without messing with it. After a fluid and filter change it was fine. I think it was just a sticky valve. We've put another maybe 10,000 miles on since then and its just fine. Slips a bit but the things got 216,000 miles... -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:34:19 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 190D transmission, anybody got any ideas? To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK, a couple of weeks ago you guys remember I finished the install of the trans in the 190D, and it would not shift past 2nd. That was when the baby was born and didnt mess with it anymore. Well today I messed with it a little bit. This is a 722.409 out of a 2.6. I have 2 of these trans. The one I installed on the car has this fluid line that runs from the back cover on the drivers side (govenor?) to solenoid then to a port on the front drivers side of trans. The only thing I can figure out about this setup is the epc says something about increased shift points. Im not sure what exactly it does. I applied power to the thing and it clicked sure enough. Not sure if having power opens or closes it allowing fluid thru. Does opening it increase pressure or relieve pressure? Anyway, I tried it with power applied, still no shift out of 2nd. I tried it with no power, same thing. Next I though about stuck kickdown. I unhooked wire to it, applied power, it clicks. I tried driving it with the wire left off, still wont upshift. Is it possible that the kickdown is stuck internally somehow even though it clicks? This tranny looks good, was supposed to be good, had all the ports plugged when I got it. It drops into reverse with no delay, same with drive. Im stumped. What would cause it to not upshift? Is it FUBAR? I SURE dont want to have to pull it again and try the other tranny I have. Could it be something to do with it being a tranny for a 2.6 behind the diesel? I wouldnt think so. Anybody got ANY ideas or anything to try? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
