Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
No Way! it would be easier to put a 123 OM 616 or 617 in the 115. major problems are flywheel/trans mating; oil filter and motor mounts. Of those, the motor mounts are the easiest. THere is probably a factory set of motor mount arms somewhere that will bolt in, or can be mounted on 2 of the 4 motor mount bolts, and one additional bolt fore or aft that just happens to already be there. To install the 123 616 into the 110 chassis, we made a cover plate for the oil filter, and the block, where the filter mounts. then we could mount the oil filter remotely, and connect the 2 plates via hoses. Actually, I think you could take your 615 block and use all 616 components to rebuild it. I thought about trying that with the OM 621. THen the block would bolt in, and you would have a 616 in all other aspects. I think you could also use the 615 crank and flywheel assembly, so the trans end would bolt up too. bear in mind the last paragraph is speculation. the 616 in 110 transplant, I did At 03:44 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: Can I put a 615 motor into a W123? Thanks, Bruce Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
old dogs carried liability insurance. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090810/5fc6320b/attachment.html -- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:44:20 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a80db04.9050...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Russ Williams wrote: Last week he took in a 2007 Ford F-250 w/PowerChoke All Maxed out for a Prius. No go figure that one. Truck only had 22k m on it. Good Grief. If the customer wanted $4500 trade-in on that, the dealer made a fortune. If the dealer processed the paperwork to scrap a $20,000 vehicle for a $4500 government check, they're idiots. If you believe that the government would accept a 'clunker' that doesn't have an EPA mileage rating, well, then... Mitch. -- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:54:36 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980908101954h3a3eb982r6ee7b3397407e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Four wheel drive. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:10 PM, John Ingram joh...@cloud9.net wrote: What is 4Matic? -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090810/c8c83410/attachment.html -- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:55:30 -0700 From: Kevin ke...@mordred.punk.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] clunkers To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090811025530.gf43...@mordred.punk.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:42:08PM -0400, relng...@aol.com wrote: I'm also wondering how many of those tattered old dogs carried liability insurance. Had to have valid registration and insurance for the preceeding calendar year. -- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:38 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1ljlr122p@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: The last sentence is why I am still in favor of the program. I know it is sad to see a low/mid-teens MPG car go to the crusher in favor of something that burns less fuel, but that is not necessarily a bad thing (even if nice interior goes to the crusher). If one sits down with a pencil and paper, or a computer spreadsheet if the former are unfamiliar, one may find that the supposed money saved by a higher MPG rating is very little and often not offset by the added cost of ownership of a new vehicle. The $4,500 from Uncle Sam may help, if so be sure to thank your grandchildren for helping you buy your new car. Allan -- 1983 300D -- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:16:50 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090810211650.1d2791e4.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:51:37 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: You may just need a new rod. Note that the 616 engine will NOT fit in a W115 chassis unless you remove the fender brace -- hte oil filter housing is in the wrong place. Is that what they did to get a W115 240D? Or better yet, where is the oil filter on a W115 240D? I presume it's in a different place than the W123 240D, namely underneath like the W115 220D. Craig -- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:17:06 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] had a brain flash (or brain fart) today To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: f7b6bd1a0908102017n4d01119ay2f2cf1d278ca6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've always wanted a Postal Jeep. FourWheeler did a neat buildup on one years ago. If I could find one for reasonable money my 240D would be available for firesale money... Nah, this is what you want, Curt. I'm sure it can tow your snowmobiles just fine and all your friends can sit in the back! http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1311988170.html Alex -- Message: 15 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:22:46 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: [Fwd: FW: Smart Car?] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
Don't know -- check for suspension clearance for the oil filter housing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
You may just need a new rod. Note that the 616 engine will NOT fit in a W115 chassis unless you remove the fender brace -- hte oil filter housing is in the wrong place. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:51:37 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: You may just need a new rod. Note that the 616 engine will NOT fit in a W115 chassis unless you remove the fender brace -- hte oil filter housing is in the wrong place. Is that what they did to get a W115 240D? Or better yet, where is the oil filter on a W115 240D? I presume it's in a different place than the W123 240D, namely underneath like the W115 220D. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
The oil filter on a W115 is up front, underneath in a canister. Huge PITA to change as you always end up with oil running down your armpit. The filter housing is by #1 cylinder underneath the injection pump. On the 616 (as opposed to the 615 which is in the W115), the oil filter housing is on top of the fitting and the filter is removed by taking the cover off. I have seen a few with a remote housing, but only in the W123 chassis, not the W115. Much nicer, as you don't have to lie on the ground with oil dripping on you. You cannot put a 617 out of a W123 into a W115 for the same reason. Has to be the one installed there, and they are uncommon these days. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
But there was a 115 version of the 616 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: The oil filter on a W115 is up front, underneath in a canister. Huge PITA to change as you always end up with oil running down your armpit. The filter housing is by #1 cylinder underneath the injection pump. On the 616 (as opposed to the 615 which is in the W115), the oil filter housing is on top of the fitting and the filter is removed by taking the cover off. I have seen a few with a remote housing, but only in the W123 chassis, not the W115. Much nicer, as you don't have to lie on the ground with oil dripping on you. You cannot put a 617 out of a W123 into a W115 for the same reason. Has to be the one installed there, and they are uncommon these days. Peter -- OK Don, with oil stained armpits still from the three 115 Diesels I used to own. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090810/f3d021c8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:29 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: But there was a 115 version of the 616 Yes, and a W115 version of the 617, too! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
Not the same one as in the W123 though. Ditto for the 617, different suffix on the engine numbers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
Finally got the head off. Had to remove water pump, etc. and fabricated a puller for the timing chain rail pin using a hose clamp and a bolt. The pin came out nicely and I removed the rail and lifted off the head. Everything looked fine...except that 3 pistons were at TDC! #2 piston was stationary. Oh well. I was looking forward to puttering around in the little 220 but I guess a motor swap with the banged up 240D is in the works. Cheers, Bruce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090809/4912e911/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
Jim, I found that the tensioner rail is 2mm wider than the slot. I don't have the shop manual, but the Haynes manual alludes to a 'hook style' rail that requires removal. It mounts on a pin by the crankshaft that requires a special puller to remove which I lack. Don't know why they did that. Would have been so easy to make the rail fit - 30 sec on a grinder. Removing the head is incredibly troublesome. So I tried grinding down the rail with the Dremel, but it's extremely slow. It turns out that everything was fine inside the cylinders anyway (was looking for prechamber damage). So I might just button it back up with the old head gasket and hope it seals. Is there any reason that might not work? Thanks, Bruce -- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:21:32 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 39606fc0-8355-11de-95a3-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am trying to remove the head on the 72 220D (long story why).? Everything is out and loose but the timing chain tensioner rail is interfering with the head.? It looks like the rail is every bit as wide as the slot in the head.? Do I need to remove the tensioner rail (and how is that done), or does it merely need a little 'encouragement' to fit through the slot in the head? I wasn't present for our recent 220D head un-removal, but the top end of the main tensioner rail is narrower than the hole, IIRC. The plastic non-moving guide up at the top needs to come off. (Threaded pin pulls out with a slide hammer, or crowbar forks and a regular one if you're like us.) -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090808/1ef49ae7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:50:39 -0700 (PDT) B Dike bdi...@yahoo.com wrote: So I tried grinding down the rail with the Dremel, but it's extremely slow. You did grind the rail while it was installed in the engine, didn't you? If so, what did you do with the grinding dust? So I might just button it back up with the old head gasket and hope it seals. Is there any reason that might not work? That's a bad idea -- the gasket has lost all of its crush and getting it exactly the same place is highly unlikely. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 220D Head Removal
Hi All, I am trying to remove the head on the 72 220D (long story why). Everything is out and loose but the timing chain tensioner rail is interfering with the head. It looks like the rail is every bit as wide as the slot in the head. Do I need to remove the tensioner rail (and how is that done), or does it merely need a little 'encouragement' to fit through the slot in the head? Thanks, Bruce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090806/c761bf4f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
I am trying to remove the head on the 72 220D (long story why). Everything is out and loose but the timing chain tensioner rail is interfering with the head. It looks like the rail is every bit as wide as the slot in the head. Do I need to remove the tensioner rail (and how is that done), or does it merely need a little 'encouragement' to fit through the slot in the head? I wasn't present for our recent 220D head un-removal, but the top end of the main tensioner rail is narrower than the hole, IIRC. The plastic non-moving guide up at the top needs to come off. (Threaded pin pulls out with a slide hammer, or crowbar forks and a regular one if you're like us.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
There is a bolt pin done by the crank balancer that holds the rail in place. Screw a bolt into it (or use the fancy Benz tool if you can locate one) and pull the pin out to release the rail. You will need to align the slot in the balancer with the pin to pull it. You CAN get the head off with the rail in place, but it's easier to take it out. Needless to say, it's vastly easier to remove the bolt pin with the engine out of the car Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
