Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
I have heard this before. But the strut bolts on my 79 TD came out with an ordinary (manual) socket set. Maybe I was just lucky (and much younger). -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of David Bruckmann via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 6:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion LIst Cc: David Bruckmann Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts As I recall, the factory used red loctite, which requires heat to deactivate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
The heat I used was a 1/2 inch air wrench with 120 psi air supply. It spun them right out. On install, I cleaned the threads with a wire brush and used a dot of red loctite, torqued to spec [don't ask what the spec is, I don't remember, but I remember looking it up, at the time.] As someone suggested, make sure the torque bit is seated properly before applying force, removal or install. Think of it as a fun adventure... ;)) ... the fun is not getting whacked in the head once you replace the struts.. I did mine about 4 years ago, used it today and still works like new. On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 6:34 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > How very considerate... > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 6:42 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > As I recall, the factory used red loctite, which requires heat to > > deactivate. > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
How very considerate... On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 6:42 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > As I recall, the factory used red loctite, which requires heat to > deactivate. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
As I recall, the factory used red loctite, which requires heat to deactivate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
It’s been years but I have done a few sets of these. I recall it being a pain but not all that bad. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2021, at 10:23 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yes, they’re in the roof area and require removal of the headliner. The > bolts that hold the ends into the roof anchor point have anti-seize on them > from the factory and are tough to remove if they’re the originals. They take > a Torx style bit - make sure it’s a high quality one, as you definitely don’t > want to strip the fastener out. > > -D > >> On Nov 19, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Hm. Didn't know that, but also never owned an MB wagon or SUV. >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> >>> MB hatch struts are totally different. Can't have the plebs seeing the >>> struts. They're in the ceiling of the car... >>> >>> -Curt >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
Yes, they’re in the roof area and require removal of the headliner. The bolts that hold the ends into the roof anchor point have anti-seize on them from the factory and are tough to remove if they’re the originals. They take a Torx style bit - make sure it’s a high quality one, as you definitely don’t want to strip the fastener out. -D > On Nov 19, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Hm. Didn't know that, but also never owned an MB wagon or SUV. > >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> >> MB hatch struts are totally different. Can't have the plebs seeing the >> struts. They're in the ceiling of the car... >> >> -Curt > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
You also need to remove the rear speakers and drop the headliner to expose the torx fitting that holds the strut in place. I once accidentally tightened the torx bolt rather than loosened it. It was hell to break it loose. On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 9:37 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > When I did mine it wasn't such a bad job. But I cheated by making an > adjustable prop to hold the tailgate while I did the R&R of the struts. I > used two pieces of 2x4 and two C clamps. Lay the 2x4 sections side by side > [flat side to flat side] and cut them long enough to have a good overlap > [18 inches] when the tailgate is fully open. Put one end on the ground > [driveway] the top end in the lip of the tailgate [make sure it has good > purchase so it stays in place. Tighten the clamps like you mean it. > With the gate held open take one side off and replace with a new one... To > get the old one off and the new one on, you will need to "crowd the > tailgate up to gain just a bit more room to make the connection. To do that > use the "sliding prop with clamps" you just made to gain the extra 2 inches > of travel you need. > DO NOT DISCONNECT BOTH SIDES AT THE SAME TIME... > Take a break, and do the second one.. adjust as necessary, but I just > followed the marks left by the old ones and the gate fits exactly right. > If you have a helper who can follow instructions, use them to lift or shift > to give you that extra wiggle room if you need it.. It can be done by > yourself, however. > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I hope you’re not planning on being the one to swap them. It is a pig of > a > > job in a W123. > > > > -D > > > > > On Nov 19, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Beats using a broomstick to prop the hatch open. > > > > > >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> I ordered a pair for my W123 wagon. They are made in Romania. > > >> > > >> > > > https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-hatch-strut-stabilus-1239800064 > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
When I did mine it wasn't such a bad job. But I cheated by making an adjustable prop to hold the tailgate while I did the R&R of the struts. I used two pieces of 2x4 and two C clamps. Lay the 2x4 sections side by side [flat side to flat side] and cut them long enough to have a good overlap [18 inches] when the tailgate is fully open. Put one end on the ground [driveway] the top end in the lip of the tailgate [make sure it has good purchase so it stays in place. Tighten the clamps like you mean it. With the gate held open take one side off and replace with a new one... To get the old one off and the new one on, you will need to "crowd the tailgate up to gain just a bit more room to make the connection. To do that use the "sliding prop with clamps" you just made to gain the extra 2 inches of travel you need. DO NOT DISCONNECT BOTH SIDES AT THE SAME TIME... Take a break, and do the second one.. adjust as necessary, but I just followed the marks left by the old ones and the gate fits exactly right. If you have a helper who can follow instructions, use them to lift or shift to give you that extra wiggle room if you need it.. It can be done by yourself, however. On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I hope you’re not planning on being the one to swap them. It is a pig of a > job in a W123. > > -D > > > On Nov 19, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Beats using a broomstick to prop the hatch open. > > > >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> I ordered a pair for my W123 wagon. They are made in Romania. > >> > >> > https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-hatch-strut-stabilus-1239800064 > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
Hm. Didn't know that, but also never owned an MB wagon or SUV. On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > MB hatch struts are totally different. Can't have the plebs seeing the > struts. They're in the ceiling of the car... > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
MB hatch struts are totally different. Can't have the plebs seeing the struts. They're in the ceiling of the car... -Curt On Friday, November 19, 2021, 04:44:13 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Really? Every car I've ever replaced hatch or hood struts on (Honda, Ford, Volvo) has been super easy. Pop the clips off, remove the old struts, clean/lube the ball, install the new struts. Takes a couple of minutes per strut. On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 4:13 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > I hope you’re not planning on being the one to swap them. It is a pig of a > job in a W123. > > -D > > > On Nov 19, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > Beats using a broomstick to prop the hatch open. > > > >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> I ordered a pair for my W123 wagon. They are made in Romania. > >> > >> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-hatch-strut-stabilus-1239800064 > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
Really? Every car I've ever replaced hatch or hood struts on (Honda, Ford, Volvo) has been super easy. Pop the clips off, remove the old struts, clean/lube the ball, install the new struts. Takes a couple of minutes per strut. On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 4:13 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > I hope you’re not planning on being the one to swap them. It is a pig of a > job in a W123. > > -D > > > On Nov 19, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > Beats using a broomstick to prop the hatch open. > > > >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> I ordered a pair for my W123 wagon. They are made in Romania. > >> > >> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-hatch-strut-stabilus-1239800064 > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
Btdt. Twice. Not this time. On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 4:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I hope you’re not planning on being the one to swap them. It is a pig of a > job in a W123. > > -D > > > On Nov 19, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Beats using a broomstick to prop the hatch open. > > > >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> I ordered a pair for my W123 wagon. They are made in Romania. > >> > >> > https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-hatch-strut-stabilus-1239800064 > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
I hope you’re not planning on being the one to swap them. It is a pig of a job in a W123. -D > On Nov 19, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Beats using a broomstick to prop the hatch open. > >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> I ordered a pair for my W123 wagon. They are made in Romania. >> >> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-hatch-strut-stabilus-1239800064 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
Mine still work all summer long, or in cool weather when I park in the sun... At all other times I wear a helmet when opening the hatch. On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:35 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Beats using a broomstick to prop the hatch open. > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > I ordered a pair for my W123 wagon. They are made in Romania. > > > > > https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-hatch-strut-stabilus-1239800064 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
Beats using a broomstick to prop the hatch open. On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > I ordered a pair for my W123 wagon. They are made in Romania. > > https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-hatch-strut-stabilus-1239800064 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300TD hatch struts
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