Re: [MBZ] 500K
I notice the lights on top of the front fenders on the restored car are not the same as in the other photos of allegedly the same car. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
Hi Tom, BTW, When did you come to own such a beauty?Have you been working on it for a long time or is it a new project? What's the general condition of the car? From the photo I saw of the front of the car it sure looks like a beauty! Does it have any history? Like being owned my Marlene Dietrick (sp?) ? ;-) That car must have really turned heads back in the 30s when it was first released - because it sure turns heads now ;-) I'll bet cruising on the interstate is an amazing experience in the 500K. How many speeds in the gearbox? Not trying to pry - just curious - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500K E M wrote: Before starting it, hope you filled it with Mobil 1 and changed all the fuses/ ;-) Naw, diesel-rated Delvac 1300 from evil Wal-Mart. I'm just going to change it in a couple of miles anyway. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: Hi Tom, BTW, When did you come to own such a beauty?Have you been working on it for a long time or is it a new project? What's the general condition of the car? From the photo I saw of the front of the car it sure looks like a beauty! I certainly don't own the car - I don't even own a dishwasher! The nice thing about working for a car museum is that you get to drive cars several orders of magnitude beyond the means of mere mortals. It is in low #1 condition. Does it have any history? Like being owned my Marlene Dietrick (sp?) ? ;-) That car must have really turned heads back in the 30s when it was first released - because it sure turns heads now ;-) I'll bet cruising on the interstate is an amazing experience in the 500K. How many speeds in the gearbox? History is unknown, other than that the previous owner was a doctor in Germany who could no longer afford to restore the car due to socialized medicine (or so say the car's notes). Cruising down the interstate is probably a lot of work, if today's drive at 20mph is any indication - it is a lot of car to handle and the clutch, shifter, and steering require a great deal of force and care. It is a four-speed with a bizarre shift pattern (incorrect knob in the pics for some reason): R 2 |__| | | 1 3-4 No synchro on first. Third is direct and fourth is overdrive with no clutch required. Just move the lever and it will engage when revs match. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jeff Zedic wrote: I must have missed the background story on this carany chance for a repeat? Absolutely gorgeous! I don't know too much of the history of the car. It was a basket-case Cabriolet B in 1996, and emerged as a perfect Special Roadster in 2001. It has been sitting in a museum since 2004 and hadn't been run since, until last week. Does it always have so much positive camber? Scary! It was up on the lift before the pictures were taken and hadn't moved yet. They straighten out in a couple of feet. Also, what's the other oldie behind the 201? 1953 300S Cab A. Needs work. I try to pretend that car isn't there. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: I get to St. Louis rather frequently. What part of the Greater St. Louis area are you? Or the car? I'm in the ghetto in the City; the car is in Chesterfield. I generally carry a couple high-grade microphones, a USB audio interface, and a laptop, so a quality audio recording should be easy. Does the car ever get to go further than the garage door? I'm thinking sunny day, somewhere other than a parking lot, a good video camera We could probably do that, but I really don't like driving cars of this sort on the street. The camera phone paparazzi drifting in and out of their lanes gets old quickly. But is a nice long parking lot... First I've got to do something about the gas spewing out of the bottom of the carb. Let me know when you'll be in town. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: Possibly, but you usually see the intake and exhaust on opposite sides of the head with dual cams, ans these are on the same side. The M24 is plain old OHV. If you wanted overhead cams, you had to buy a Duesenberg. The normally aspirated J made 265hp from 6.8L and the supercharged version, SJ, was good for 320hp. But it lacked the drama queen antics of the Mercedes. And the MB engine puts out 157hp, not 137 as I miswrote earlier. Tom - what metal is the firewall made from? Sure looks like new - how did that happen? Do you have before pictures? It is aluminum, and looks pretty much like the original firewall on the '39 540K which is the next project. The original machining is slightly less uniform than that in the pictures. I've got some before pictures someplace. It was basically a derelict-in-boxes in 1996. The body was built from scratch; the frame and drivetrain are original. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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E M wrote: Before starting it, hope you filled it with Mobil 1 and changed all the fuses/ ;-) Naw, diesel-rated Delvac 1300 from evil Wal-Mart. I'm just going to change it in a couple of miles anyway. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: To bad YouTube clobbers the video and audio quality... I'd sure be interested in a good audio recording - especially including the kompressor! Your in the St. Louis area, right? Might be able to work something out. The original video is here: http://thomas.savage.org/500k/engine.mov Warning: 46MB file. It is better but you still don't get the full effect. I am in St Louis. The car is going back on display soon, but if you're going to be in the area, let me know and I can give you a private showing. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: To bad YouTube clobbers the video and audio quality... I'd sure be interested in a good audio recording - especially including the kompressor! Your in the St. Louis area, right? Might be able to work something out. The original video is here: http://thomas.savage.org/500k/engine.mov Warning: 46MB file. It is better but you still don't get the full effect. Thanks for the warning! I'll wait to get it when I'm able to borrow broadband. *smile* I am in St Louis. The car is going back on display soon, but if you're going to be in the area, let me know and I can give you a private showing. Tom I get to St. Louis rather frequently. What part of the Greater St. Louis area are you? Or the car? I generally carry a couple high-grade microphones, a USB audio interface, and a laptop, so a quality audio recording should be easy. Does the car ever get to go further than the garage door? I'm thinking sunny day, somewhere other than a parking lot, a good video camera -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 500K
Thx Tom!! Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 500K LarryT wrote: Naturally we want to hear about the drive!! BTW, did you make a recording of the engine running? Never heard one - Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and the kompressor doesn't engage. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Naturally we want to hear about the drive!! BTW, did you make a recording of the engine running? Never heard one - Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and the kompressor doesn't engage. Tom Sweet!! To bad YouTube clobbers the video and audio quality... I'd sure be interested in a good audio recording - especially including the kompressor! Your in the St. Louis area, right? Might be able to work something out. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Possibly, but you usually see the intake and exhaust on opposite sides of the head with dual cams, ans these are on the same side. Tom - what metal is the firewall made from? Sure looks like new - how did that happen? Do you have before pictures? On Feb 15, 2008 11:26 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably dual overhead cams, shaft driven. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Without a doubt one of the most beautiful cars ever made. I've seen many in black but the Ivory color is much more elegant IMO. Also, the engineering quality is evident in the photos - but the photo showing the rear axle shows a nut missing from one bolt. ;-) Naturally we want to hear about the drive!! BTW, did you make a recording of the engine running? Never heard one - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] 500K http://thomas.savage.org/500k/ Got it running today but can't drive it until the salt subsides :( Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://thomas.savage.org/500k/ Got it running today but can't drive it until the salt subsides :( Tom Sweet! But those lights sure have an ugly green tint... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm mesmerized by the backlit gauges in that mother-of-pearl dash--just FN dreamy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: But those lights sure have an ugly green tint... Mitch wrote: You're just jealous because your headlamps don't have big three pointed stars molded into the glass. ;-) *sigh* Too true. But I was talking about the _room_ lights, not the car headlights, having an ugly green tint - and they do. I'm not sure if the car is ivory or white 'cause the warped color spectrum from (I believe) florescent lights. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was admiring those headlights too and the molded in Star. Geez, I'd hate to catch a stone with one of those! Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fmiser wrote: But those lights sure have an ugly green tint... You're just jealous because your headlamps don't have big three pointed stars molded into the glass. ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: But those lights sure have an ugly green tint... You're just jealous because your headlamps don't have big three pointed stars molded into the glass. ;-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The whole car is awesome! It looks like they used the same rubber flex disk at the ends of the drive shafts. What year is the car (1937?) ? On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm mesmerized by the backlit gauges in that mother-of-pearl dash--just FN dreamy -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just lovely. So tell me, where do you park it at night, when you're not around? You know, should someone want to borrow it. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LarryT wrote: Naturally we want to hear about the drive!! BTW, did you make a recording of the engine running? Never heard one - Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and the kompressor doesn't engage. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I must have missed the background story on this carany chance for a repeat? Absolutely gorgeous! Does it always have so much positive camber? Scary! Also, what's the other oldie behind the 201? Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Before starting it, hope you filled it with Mobil 1 and changed all the fuses/ ;-) Ed 300E On 15/02/2008, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LarryT wrote: Naturally we want to hear about the drive!! BTW, did you make a recording of the engine running? Never heard one - Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and the kompressor doesn't engage. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: Naturally we want to hear about the drive!! BTW, did you make a recording of the engine running? Never heard one - Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and the kompressor doesn't engage. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is SWEET! Overhead cam I suppose? I love long straight engines -- don't know why though. Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_pAtav8bw For all the noise it makes, it doesn't go over 2000 rpm in the video and the kompressor doesn't engage. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have heard that the supercharger engagement was quite dramatic -- it was electrically switched just like the kickdown switch. 98 to 137 hp at the click of a switch had to be fun. My mechanic friend's stepfather aquired Rommel's staff car in the late 40's as a junker, but it ran long enough for the two of them to take it for a short run on the autobahn, sitting on milk crates. He said he fell over backwards when the supercharger cut in, but the engine tossed a main bearing so they never drove it again. Big beast of a car, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: The whole car is awesome! It looks like they used the same rubber flex disk at the ends of the drive shafts. What year is the car (1937?) ? 1935. The flex discs are a little strange. They're really big and pretty soft and compliant. They seem way too fragile to hold up, but I guess they do. Kevin Kraly wrote: Wow! I thought that 500K was referring to the mileage on one of your cars. There aren't too many 500K's around! What size engine does it have (500 mean 5.0 liter?). It is nominally a 5L. Most are 5017cc, but this an early one with a scant 4986cc. 98hp normally and 137 with the banshee engaged. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Probably dual overhead cams, shaft driven. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://thomas.savage.org/500k/ Got it running today but can't drive it until the salt subsides :( Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yummy, yummy, yummy, what more can be said. :-) Kinda like that W140 in the background too. Ed 300E On 14/02/2008, tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://thomas.savage.org/500k/ Got it running today but can't drive it until the salt subsides :( Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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tom savage wrote: http://thomas.savage.org/500k/ Got it running today but can't drive it until the salt subsides :( Cool! Didja make that from a FiberFab kit? Did you use the leftover paint on the W140, it looks like it's the same color? OK, this question is more serious: What's the advantage of those asymmetrical two post hoists? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wow! I thought that 500K was referring to the mileage on one of your cars. There aren't too many 500K's around! What size engine does it have (500 mean 5.0 liter?). Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi+, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
