Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm
> 606:
> 
> non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm
> 
> turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm
> 


What's funny is my Chebby LE2 1.4L (gas) makes a bit more than an early OM606:

153hp @ 5600rpm, 177 ft-lb @ 2000-4000rpm
http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/le2/

With a computer flashed tune, it's more like: 
210hp @ 4500-5500, 260-270ft-lb @ 2000-4000rpm (handily stronger than the 606 
turbo above 2000 rpm)

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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

From my experience the 602 in the 124 gets the best mileage of any of 
the 60x diesels, including the 606.



On 12/25/2017 1:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Well the OM602 is reputed to get better MPG in a 124 than the 87 OM603 
version 124.  But the OM603 version runs like a sports car.


My guess is that the MPG is tied more to the C_d of the chassis than 
to the OM version.


My U100 bronco got 10 MPG with a 170 CI engine.  I put in a 283 that I 
knew got 17 MPG in a galaxie.   Guess what?  The 283 got exactly the 
same 10 MPG as the 170 did.  (But twisted the frame when you romped on 
it!)  It was MUCH more fun!



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 25, 2017 at 1:40 PM
I wonder what the fuel consumption numbers are. That's an important 
part of the equation too.

Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well the OM602 is reputed to get better MPG in a 124 than the 87 OM603 
version 124.  But the OM603 version runs like a sports car.


My guess is that the MPG is tied more to the C_d of the chassis than to 
the OM version.


My U100 bronco got 10 MPG with a 170 CI engine.  I put in a 283 that I 
knew got 17 MPG in a galaxie.   Guess what?  The 283 got exactly the 
same 10 MPG as the 170 did.  (But twisted the frame when you romped on 
it!)  It was MUCH more fun!



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 25, 2017 at 1:40 PM
I wonder what the fuel consumption numbers are. That's an important 
part of the equation too.

Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I wonder what the fuel consumption numbers are. That's an important part of the 
equation too.
Curt

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  On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via 
Mercedes wrote:   Those numbers don't tell you the whole 
picture... you need to look at the
plots of power and torque through the whole RPM range.  But from this data,
we can see the 606A makes peak torque at 1600rpm, which is even better than
the already low 2000rpm 3.5 603a, and will feel significantly faster than
the very late 2400rpm of the 3.0 603a.  This is all partially thanks to the
more advanced fuel and turbo control in the more modern engines.  (See,
electronics are your friend!)

Its much more useful to see how it develops torque (and horsepower) over a
range of engine speeds, and how long it holds near the peak as speed
increases.

As you know, the 3.5 already feels quite a bit faster than the 3.0, thanks
to the peak torque and horsepower coming in at lower speeds.  Its much more
useful on the actual road (but is statistically less when compared on the
dyno).

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The HP and torque figures for the 603 got me to thinking about how it
> compares to the 606.  I find it interesting that the 603, even the 3.0 has
> more torque than the 606 turbo.  I was also curious about the 617 v 602
> figures but could not locate 602 torque figures with a quick google search.
>
> 603:
>
> 86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm
>
> 90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
> 92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
> 606:
>
> non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm
>
> turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm
>
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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The dissolved 200D Frankenheap (W115) is quite pleasantly drivable, even
with only 55 or so HP.  Plenty of torque is what makes it work.  The 12V
Cummins, even with its very low RPM range (750-2500), is a good driver.
Mucho torque.  What do they say?  HP==top speed, torque==acceleration.

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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Daveslist is an exclusive list for Dave M. and invited friends.   I am 
not wunna dem!



Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
December 25, 2017 at 9:43 AM
And what is daveslist?!

Merry Christmas!
Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

And what is daveslist?!

Merry Christmas!
Jaime


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

> Those numbers don't tell you the whole picture... you need to look at the
> plots of power and torque through the whole RPM range.  But from this data,
> we can see the 606A makes peak torque at 1600rpm, which is even better than
> the already low 2000rpm 3.5 603a, and will feel significantly faster than
> the very late 2400rpm of the 3.0 603a.  This is all partially thanks to the
> more advanced fuel and turbo control in the more modern engines.  (See,
> electronics are your friend!)
>
> Its much more useful to see how it develops torque (and horsepower) over a
> range of engine speeds, and how long it holds near the peak as speed
> increases.
>
> As you know, the 3.5 already feels quite a bit faster than the 3.0, thanks
> to the peak torque and horsepower coming in at lower speeds.  Its much more
> useful on the actual road (but is statistically less when compared on the
> dyno).
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> The HP and torque figures for the 603 got me to thinking about how it
>> compares to the 606.  I find it interesting that the 603, even the 3.0 has
>> more torque than the 606 turbo.  I was also curious about the 617 v 602
>> figures but could not locate 602 torque figures with a quick google search.
>>
>> 603:
>>
>> 86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm
>>
>> 90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>>
>> 92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>>
>> 606:
>>
>> non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm
>>
>> turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 603 V 606

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Those numbers don't tell you the whole picture... you need to look at the
plots of power and torque through the whole RPM range.  But from this data,
we can see the 606A makes peak torque at 1600rpm, which is even better than
the already low 2000rpm 3.5 603a, and will feel significantly faster than
the very late 2400rpm of the 3.0 603a.  This is all partially thanks to the
more advanced fuel and turbo control in the more modern engines.  (See,
electronics are your friend!)

Its much more useful to see how it develops torque (and horsepower) over a
range of engine speeds, and how long it holds near the peak as speed
increases.

As you know, the 3.5 already feels quite a bit faster than the 3.0, thanks
to the peak torque and horsepower coming in at lower speeds.  Its much more
useful on the actual road (but is statistically less when compared on the
dyno).

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The HP and torque figures for the 603 got me to thinking about how it
> compares to the 606.  I find it interesting that the 603, even the 3.0 has
> more torque than the 606 turbo.  I was also curious about the 617 v 602
> figures but could not locate 602 torque figures with a quick google search.
>
> 603:
>
> 86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm
>
> 90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
> 92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm
>
> 606:
>
> non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm
>
> turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm
>
>
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[MBZ] 603 V 606

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The HP and torque figures for the 603 got me to thinking about how it 
compares to the 606.  I find it interesting that the 603, even the 3.0 
has more torque than the 606 turbo.  I was also curious about the 617 v 
602 figures but could not locate 602 torque figures with a quick google 
search.


603:

86-87 3.0 148hp @ 4600rpm,  273lb @ 2400rpm

90-91 3.5 136hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm

92-95 3.5 150hp @ 4000rpm, 310lb @ 2000rpm

606:

non turbo 134hp @ 5000rpm, 155lb @ 2200rpm

turbo 174hp @ 4400rpm, 243lb @ 1600 rpm


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