Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-28 Thread andrew strasfogel
I changed the timing change at 125K IIRC, or nearly160 K miles ago.



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 What's the chain stretch? I don't know that it can make that much of a
 difference, but it will make some if it's near the limit.


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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-28 Thread andrew strasfogel
I meant timing chain of course...

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 I changed the timing change at 125K IIRC, or nearly160 K miles ago.



 On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:44 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  What's the chain stretch? I don't know that it can make that much of a
  difference, but it will make some if it's near the limit.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-28 Thread OK Don
Must be time to change ALL the fuses again!

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 If that is true, then it must be time to do it again!

  You got to stop driving so much. You gonna wear that car out.

  Randy

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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
If I am getting only 17 - 20 mpg in my 300TD (mixed driving, but mostly
around town) and there are no fuel leaks, does this suggest a faulty
odometer?  I change the fuel filters regularly and also adjust the valves
every 10 K miles.  The car has new glow plugs as well.
Andrew
1983 300TD, 282 K miles.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 27 is very optimistic

 Donald Snook wrote:
  What kind of mileage do the 126 300SD 's really get.  The one in phoenix
 says 27 mpg.  I drive pretty hard and my mileage always seems a little worse
 than most.
 
  Can they really get close to 30?
 
  Donald H. Snook
 
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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage - NOW 376 mpg 1973 Guinness record-setter

2008-02-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
This is amazing!

In 1973, Royal Dutch Shell sponsored a contest to see who could design the
most fuel efficient vehicle. The winner, which looks surprisingly like a
normal, 1950s car, holds an efficiency record that still stands today.

A chop-top, steel frame 1959 Opel T-1 was equipped with devices that heat
and insulate the fuel line so the gasoline entered the engine as a lean
vapor with astonishing results: 376.59 miles per gallon.

The car was purchased by the owners of NASCAR and gifted to a museum in
Talladega, Ala., where it was largely relegated to anonymity.

But Evan McMullen, owner of Seattle-based Cosmopolitan Motors, rediscovered
the Guinness world-record-setting car and wants to see what it can do in
today's automotive market.

Not all of the car's features would work for mass-production. The car is
very narrow, uses super-hard low-friction tires, neither of which make the
vehicle particularly drivable. The interior is stripped of everything but a
seat and lacks a top. McMullen concedes that a lot of this would be changed,
but he notes that even if the car were made more suitable for
mass-consumption and lost 200 mpg, it would still get 176 mpg and outperform
everything else on the road today.

McMullen is shopping the car to see if any larger companies are interested
in a vehicle that could make a major contribution to reducing carbon
emissions. Here's a car that was 20 years old at the time of the contest
that was the project of a couple of guys in an garage, he said. You can't
tell me we can't do better than this with cars today.

They tell us hybrids are the answer, McMullen added. I think the answer,
at least part of it, is right here (Mike Lewis, *Seattle Post-Intelligencer
* http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351903_needle20.html?source=rss,
Feb. 20). *-- PR*


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:33 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 If I am getting only 17 - 20 mpg in my 300TD (mixed driving, but mostly
 around town) and there are no fuel leaks, does this suggest a faulty
 odometer?  I change the fuel filters regularly and also adjust the valves
 every 10 K miles.  The car has new glow plugs as well.
 Andrew
 1983 300TD, 282 K miles.

   On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  27 is very optimistic
 
  Donald Snook wrote:
   What kind of mileage do the 126 300SD 's really get.  The one in
  phoenix says 27 mpg.  I drive pretty hard and my mileage always seems a
  little worse than most.
  
   Can they really get close to 30?
  
   Donald H. Snook
  
   http://www.mtsqh.com/
  
  
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage - NOW 376 mpg 1973 Guinness record-setter

2008-02-26 Thread Loren Faeth
SAE holds an annual supermileage competition.  A friend of mine from 
Grad school, the late Jim Ettaro would have an entry each years with 
his students from Cal State 
LA.http://www.calstate.edu/newsline/2004/n20040712la1.shtml 
Their record in 2004 was 1,615 mpg.

http://students.sae.org/competitions/supermileage/


At 08:41 AM 2/26/2008, you wrote:
This is amazing!

In 1973, Royal Dutch Shell sponsored a contest to see who could design the
most fuel efficient vehicle. The winner, which looks surprisingly like a
normal, 1950s car, holds an efficiency record that still stands today.

A chop-top, steel frame 1959 Opel T-1 was equipped with devices that heat
and insulate the fuel line so the gasoline entered the engine as a lean
vapor with astonishing results: 376.59 miles per gallon.

The car was purchased by the owners of NASCAR and gifted to a museum in
Talladega, Ala., where it was largely relegated to anonymity.

But Evan McMullen, owner of Seattle-based Cosmopolitan Motors, rediscovered
the Guinness world-record-setting car and wants to see what it can do in
today's automotive market.

Not all of the car's features would work for mass-production. The car is
very narrow, uses super-hard low-friction tires, neither of which make the
vehicle particularly drivable. The interior is stripped of everything but a
seat and lacks a top. McMullen concedes that a lot of this would be changed,
but he notes that even if the car were made more suitable for
mass-consumption and lost 200 mpg, it would still get 176 mpg and outperform
everything else on the road today.

McMullen is shopping the car to see if any larger companies are interested
in a vehicle that could make a major contribution to reducing carbon
emissions. Here's a car that was 20 years old at the time of the contest
that was the project of a couple of guys in an garage, he said. You can't
tell me we can't do better than this with cars today.

They tell us hybrids are the answer, McMullen added. I think the answer,
at least part of it, is right here (Mike Lewis, *Seattle Post-Intelligencer
* http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351903_needle20.html?source=rss,
Feb. 20). *-- PR*


On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:33 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  If I am getting only 17 - 20 mpg in my 300TD (mixed driving, but mostly
  around town) and there are no fuel leaks, does this suggest a faulty
  odometer?  I change the fuel filters regularly and also adjust the valves
  every 10 K miles.  The car has new glow plugs as well.
  Andrew
  1983 300TD, 282 K miles.
 
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   27 is very optimistic
  
   Donald Snook wrote:
What kind of mileage do the 126 300SD 's really get.  The one in
   phoenix says 27 mpg.  I drive pretty hard and my mileage always seems a
   little worse than most.
   
Can they really get close to 30?
   
Donald H. Snook
   
http://www.mtsqh.com/
   
   
   
   
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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-26 Thread Jim Cathey
 If I am getting only 17 - 20 mpg in my 300TD (mixed driving, but mostly
 around town) and there are no fuel leaks, does this suggest a faulty
 odometer?

No.  Dragging brakes?  IP out of time?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
Brakes are fine.  I never heard of tuning an IP.  What's involved?

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  If I am getting only 17 - 20 mpg in my 300TD (mixed driving, but mostly
  around town) and there are no fuel leaks, does this suggest a faulty
  odometer?

 No.  Dragging brakes?  IP out of time?

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage - NOW 376 mpg 1973 Guinness record-setter

2008-02-26 Thread andrew strasfogel
Impressive, but not comparable.  The 1973 record holder is still
recognizably a car.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 SAE holds an annual supermileage competition.  A friend of mine from
 Grad school, the late Jim Ettaro would have an entry each years with
 his students from Cal State
 LA.http://www.calstate.edu/newsline/2004/n20040712la1.shtml
 Their record in 2004 was 1,615 mpg.

 http://students.sae.org/competitions/supermileage/


 At 08:41 AM 2/26/2008, you wrote:
 This is amazing!
 
 In 1973, Royal Dutch Shell sponsored a contest to see who could design
 the
 most fuel efficient vehicle. The winner, which looks surprisingly like a
 normal, 1950s car, holds an efficiency record that still stands today.
 
 A chop-top, steel frame 1959 Opel T-1 was equipped with devices that heat
 and insulate the fuel line so the gasoline entered the engine as a lean
 vapor with astonishing results: 376.59 miles per gallon.
 
 The car was purchased by the owners of NASCAR and gifted to a museum in
 Talladega, Ala., where it was largely relegated to anonymity.
 
 But Evan McMullen, owner of Seattle-based Cosmopolitan Motors,
 rediscovered
 the Guinness world-record-setting car and wants to see what it can do in
 today's automotive market.
 
 Not all of the car's features would work for mass-production. The car is
 very narrow, uses super-hard low-friction tires, neither of which make
 the
 vehicle particularly drivable. The interior is stripped of everything but
 a
 seat and lacks a top. McMullen concedes that a lot of this would be
 changed,
 but he notes that even if the car were made more suitable for
 mass-consumption and lost 200 mpg, it would still get 176 mpg and
 outperform
 everything else on the road today.
 
 McMullen is shopping the car to see if any larger companies are
 interested
 in a vehicle that could make a major contribution to reducing carbon
 emissions. Here's a car that was 20 years old at the time of the contest
 that was the project of a couple of guys in an garage, he said. You
 can't
 tell me we can't do better than this with cars today.
 
 They tell us hybrids are the answer, McMullen added. I think the
 answer,
 at least part of it, is right here (Mike Lewis, *Seattle
 Post-Intelligencer
 * http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351903_needle20.html?source=rss,
  Feb. 20). *-- PR*
 
 
 On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:33 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 wrote:
 
   If I am getting only 17 - 20 mpg in my 300TD (mixed driving, but
 mostly
   around town) and there are no fuel leaks, does this suggest a faulty
   odometer?  I change the fuel filters regularly and also adjust the
 valves
   every 10 K miles.  The car has new glow plugs as well.
   Andrew
   1983 300TD, 282 K miles.
  
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  
27 is very optimistic
   
Donald Snook wrote:
 What kind of mileage do the 126 300SD 's really get.  The one in
phoenix says 27 mpg.  I drive pretty hard and my mileage always
 seems a
little worse than most.

 Can they really get close to 30?

 Donald H. Snook

 http://www.mtsqh.com/




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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-26 Thread Mitch Haley


andrew strasfogel wrote:
 
 Brakes are fine.  I never heard of tuning an IP.  What's involved?

Jim said out of time. Much like rotating the distributor on an
old gas engine to adjust the ignition timing, but it's a bit more
time consuming. Are there still articles on mbz.org describing the
drip method and the other method? 1983 might be new enough to use
the light box with. Seems like one of our western friends, maybe
Casey or SpudBoy might have the overpriced light box. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-26 Thread Jim Cathey
 Brakes are fine.  I never heard of tuning an IP.  What's involved?

It's fairly involved.  Usually the last thing you check!
I've never done it, though I may get my chance on this
190D as I did remove the IP from the car.  Search for
'drip' or 'air bubble' method.  The official procedure
is in the service manual.

I don't know what the symptoms would be if your IP's
centrifugal timing advance mechanism were stuck.
(It's the thing the vacuum pump rides on.)  The timing
would be wrong at speed, that's for sure.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-26 Thread OK Don
What's the chain stretch? I don't know that it can make that much of a
difference, but it will make some if it's near the limit.


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[MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-25 Thread Donald Snook
What kind of mileage do the 126 300SD 's really get.  The one in phoenix says 
27 mpg.  I drive pretty hard and my mileage always seems a little worse than 
most.

Can they really get close to 30?

Donald H. Snook

http://www.mtsqh.com/




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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-25 Thread George Larribeau
I get a long term avarge of 23.8 or so (10K mile interval), log books before 
odometer broke.
Now that odometer has been repaired I will see if is has changed ( last 2 
tanks were data points that were in the region but don't have major data 
yet.)
Most of the driving is on a 'road to Hell' here in Dallas called 635, so 
60-75% is stopped or crawling and the rest is about 80.

I have had a little over 26 on highway trips

Err what is 55 ??

George Larribeau
Dallas Texas


1985 300SD 207K
1987 HD FLHTC 90K, Bent 2 I
1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K
1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS
1965 Chevy C-10 pick up truck lots of miles 3rd small block ..(Extra
 Ugly,but runs)


1993 BMW 323i  125K (Wife's Car)
1967 BMW R50/2 (Wife's MC, currently in a Basket, Getting Better)



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Subject: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage


 What kind of mileage do the 126 300SD 's really get.  The one in phoenix 
 says 27 mpg.  I drive pretty hard and my mileage always seems a little 
 worse than most.

 Can they really get close to 30?

 Donald H. Snook

 http://www.mtsqh.com/




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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-25 Thread Kevin Kraly
My '83 300SD will get near 30MPG on the highway at 55-60MPH and around 27MPG 
at near 70MPH.  Any faster than that and it starts costing a lot more money 
(when you get caught, that is).  I would guess that mine would get MPG 
somewhere in the mid 20's around 80MPH.  My AC compressor is dead (has been 
since I've owned it) and has no belt, so factor that in.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-25 Thread Luther
My '83 was usually above 25 and I saw it as high as 29.  Most of it's life with 
me was spent with veg oil mix, so I didn't check mileage except to know that I 
was making more than 100mpg on diesel :)

Luther

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:37:59 -0600, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What kind of mileage do the 126 300SD 's really get.  The one in phoenix says 
 27 mpg.  I drive pretty hard and my mileage always seems a little worse than 
 most.

 Can they really get close to 30?

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-25 Thread Peter Frederick
My brother gets 26-28 in his 87.  Less if you drive really hard, but  
city driving doesn't drop the milage with diesels as much as it does  
with gassers.

I'd guess a bit less with the 617 engine.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage

2008-02-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
27 is very optimistic

Donald Snook wrote:
 What kind of mileage do the 126 300SD 's really get.  The one in phoenix says 
 27 mpg.  I drive pretty hard and my mileage always seems a little worse than 
 most.
 
 Can they really get close to 30?
 
 Donald H. Snook
 
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