Re: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued
On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 06:41:31 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > Yes it has that cold start feature. It still seems to work as it should. > > Pretty much every indy uses Marc for this stuff. I am not going to pull > it myself so I just left it at the indy to sort out with Marc how to > diagnose and fix it. But as FT said, check the simple stuff first: The kickdown switch. Make sure it is unimpeded by carpet or cruft and functions electrically properly. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued
Yes it has that cold start feature. It still seems to work as it should. Pretty much every indy uses Marc for this stuff. I am not going to pull it myself so I just left it at the indy to sort out with Marc how to diagnose and fix it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued
I like that idea. Does this transmission have the emissions control feature where it holds first great longer when cold to warm up the catalytic converter? Might be worth checking. Call sun valley transmission, they are the experts. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On July 31, 2019 3:27:40 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >Funky kickdown switch under the throttle pedal. They tend to accumulate >a lot of detritus. > > >Rick > >From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >Sent: July 31, 2019 1:55 PM >To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >Cc: atypical...@gmail.com >Subject: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued > >So it wasnt the motor limping, it was the transmission refusing to >upshift >out of granny gear. It does it for awhile, then it decides to not do it >for >awhile. In the meantime you are doing 20mph at 4500rpm in traffic. It >works >great - when it decides to work. Shifts are very firm. Always goes into >reverse etc. Anyway sounds like the valve body. Any other ideas? >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued
Good idea but it doesnt seem to matter if I shift it or not. It will stop doing it spontaneously whether I shift or not. On Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 2:14 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Shifter switch? The $500E300 would get stuck in 1st or 2nd until I > shifted it out/in then it was fine. It only happened occasionally from > a cold start. > > --FT > > On 7/31/19 2:54 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > > So it wasnt the motor limping, it was the transmission refusing to > upshift > > out of granny gear. It does it for awhile, then it decides to not do it > for > > awhile. In the meantime you are doing 20mph at 4500rpm in traffic. It > works > > great - when it decides to work. Shifts are very firm. Always goes into > > reverse etc. Anyway sounds like the valve body. Any other ideas? > > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 2:31 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> thus the 30 AMP fuse for the blower, mounted on the fender as a refit > >> for 126 and 124 cars. (Possibly for late 123 also) > >> > >> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 7/28/19 10:27 PM: > Good candidate for a 648 swap then. > > Lord the e420's electrical gremlins are getting me down. It limps on > the > nanny, but never with me or the mechanic. So we have no idea why > because > the codes clear every time she restarts it or shuts it down. I will > have > her drive straight to the mechanic next time so he can hook it up. > > Then the 123 wagon decides to melt its AC fuse holder and fuse right > through the fuse block. I thought fuses were supposed to prevent this > >> type > of behavior? It was even a shiny new copper one. We had a hot spell > and > >> the > nanny has a way of making cars not work. I figured the 123 is the most > robust thing we have, so I put her in that. She likes her AC, that's > for > sure. The control unit is only 5 years old or so. AC was working like > a > champ for me on Thursday and the next day no blow. I got in it on > Friday > and thought someone had been smoking in it, but she is a 7th day > >> Adventist > and they dont go in for that sort of thing. Opened it up to replace > the > fuse today and holy Toledo it looked like a little blue torpedo boring > >> into > the melted goo. I guess I need a new fuse block now. And who knows > what > else. > > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued
Shifter switch? The $500E300 would get stuck in 1st or 2nd until I shifted it out/in then it was fine. It only happened occasionally from a cold start. --FT On 7/31/19 2:54 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: So it wasnt the motor limping, it was the transmission refusing to upshift out of granny gear. It does it for awhile, then it decides to not do it for awhile. In the meantime you are doing 20mph at 4500rpm in traffic. It works great - when it decides to work. Shifts are very firm. Always goes into reverse etc. Anyway sounds like the valve body. Any other ideas? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 2:31 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: thus the 30 AMP fuse for the blower, mounted on the fender as a refit for 126 and 124 cars. (Possibly for late 123 also) Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 7/28/19 10:27 PM: Good candidate for a 648 swap then. Lord the e420's electrical gremlins are getting me down. It limps on the nanny, but never with me or the mechanic. So we have no idea why because the codes clear every time she restarts it or shuts it down. I will have her drive straight to the mechanic next time so he can hook it up. Then the 123 wagon decides to melt its AC fuse holder and fuse right through the fuse block. I thought fuses were supposed to prevent this type of behavior? It was even a shiny new copper one. We had a hot spell and the nanny has a way of making cars not work. I figured the 123 is the most robust thing we have, so I put her in that. She likes her AC, that's for sure. The control unit is only 5 years old or so. AC was working like a champ for me on Thursday and the next day no blow. I got in it on Friday and thought someone had been smoking in it, but she is a 7th day Adventist and they dont go in for that sort of thing. Opened it up to replace the fuse today and holy Toledo it looked like a little blue torpedo boring into the melted goo. I guess I need a new fuse block now. And who knows what else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued
Hmmm. Didnt think of that. Seems plausible. To me it seems electrical but could be the valve body I suppose also. On Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 12:28 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Funky kickdown switch under the throttle pedal. They tend to accumulate a > lot of detritus. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: July 31, 2019 1:55 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: atypical...@gmail.com > Subject: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued > > So it wasnt the motor limping, it was the transmission refusing to upshift > out of granny gear. It does it for awhile, then it decides to not do it for > awhile. In the meantime you are doing 20mph at 4500rpm in traffic. It works > great - when it decides to work. Shifts are very firm. Always goes into > reverse etc. Anyway sounds like the valve body. Any other ideas? > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued
Funky kickdown switch under the throttle pedal. They tend to accumulate a lot of detritus. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: July 31, 2019 1:55 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: atypical...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued So it wasnt the motor limping, it was the transmission refusing to upshift out of granny gear. It does it for awhile, then it decides to not do it for awhile. In the meantime you are doing 20mph at 4500rpm in traffic. It works great - when it decides to work. Shifts are very firm. Always goes into reverse etc. Anyway sounds like the valve body. Any other ideas? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 94 e420 tranny saga - continued
So it wasnt the motor limping, it was the transmission refusing to upshift out of granny gear. It does it for awhile, then it decides to not do it for awhile. In the meantime you are doing 20mph at 4500rpm in traffic. It works great - when it decides to work. Shifts are very firm. Always goes into reverse etc. Anyway sounds like the valve body. Any other ideas? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 2:31 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > thus the 30 AMP fuse for the blower, mounted on the fender as a refit > for 126 and 124 cars. (Possibly for late 123 also) > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 7/28/19 10:27 PM: > >> Good candidate for a 648 swap then. > >> > >> Lord the e420's electrical gremlins are getting me down. It limps on the > >> nanny, but never with me or the mechanic. So we have no idea why because > >> the codes clear every time she restarts it or shuts it down. I will have > >> her drive straight to the mechanic next time so he can hook it up. > >> > >> Then the 123 wagon decides to melt its AC fuse holder and fuse right > >> through the fuse block. I thought fuses were supposed to prevent this > type > >> of behavior? It was even a shiny new copper one. We had a hot spell and > the > >> nanny has a way of making cars not work. I figured the 123 is the most > >> robust thing we have, so I put her in that. She likes her AC, that's for > >> sure. The control unit is only 5 years old or so. AC was working like a > >> champ for me on Thursday and the next day no blow. I got in it on Friday > >> and thought someone had been smoking in it, but she is a 7th day > Adventist > >> and they dont go in for that sort of thing. Opened it up to replace the > >> fuse today and holy Toledo it looked like a little blue torpedo boring > into > >> the melted goo. I guess I need a new fuse block now. And who knows what > >> else. > >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Craig and Jaime, Thanks for the good info and part numbers on this thread. I tried to change plug wires on the 85 SL and encountered this same system. Looks like I get to go to the stealership Monday to see what they want for the little connectors. If they are too high, I will have to wait for Rusty to get them. x On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:37:26 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Ignition leads from this time period use screw on connectors. You use this tool: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=271categoryId=6 To crimp on terminals that look like this: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=19categoryId=8 Then you screw on the end: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=250categoryId=12 Good information, Jaime! THANK YOU! I recently build wires for my '95 E320 using this method. The parts are available as needed from the dealer. The complete wires were not available, you had to build them. When I ordered the new rubber cap from Rusty, he also said the complete wires were not available. Unfortunately, he only sold me the rubber cap, which is the same part number (000 159 28 42) as shown on your third link, but not the crimp on terminals. (Your second link has them 100/$70.00, which is a little pricey since I only need one.) My existing cable still has the terminal on its center wire; I'll send a picture in a separate email so this one doesn't have to wait for Kaleb. I think I do need to replace the terminal (and I have access to a lot of different types of crimping tools at work). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:57:50 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Craig and Jaime, Thanks for the good info and part numbers on this thread. I tried to change plug wires on the 85 SL and encountered this same system. Looks like I get to go to the stealership Monday to see what they want for the little connectors. If they are too high, I will have to wait for Rusty to get them. I got mine from Rusty. From the invoices I have they would seem to be 000 159 14 38, at $1.50 each, but I can't find the extras I bought at the moment. IIRC, he crossed them from the Bosch part number in Jaime's second link. Craig x On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:37:26 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Ignition leads from this time period use screw on connectors. You use this tool: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=271categoryId=6 To crimp on terminals that look like this: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=19categoryId=8 Then you screw on the end: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=250categoryId=12 Good information, Jaime! THANK YOU! I recently build wires for my '95 E320 using this method. The parts are available as needed from the dealer. The complete wires were not available, you had to build them. When I ordered the new rubber cap from Rusty, he also said the complete wires were not available. Unfortunately, he only sold me the rubber cap, which is the same part number (000 159 28 42) as shown on your third link, but not the crimp on terminals. (Your second link has them 100/$70.00, which is a little pricey since I only need one.) My existing cable still has the terminal on its center wire; I'll send a picture in a separate email so this one doesn't have to wait for Kaleb. I think I do need to replace the terminal (and I have access to a lot of different types of crimping tools at work). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'94 E420Oskar 119 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 264 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Nice thing about the the V8 cars of this era is that MB offers a set of pre-made wires. For an 85 380SL the part number is BQ4150029. They're made from Bosch parts. Alternately, you can buy all the original parts to build the kits from these guys: http://www.kingsbornewires.com/ Or they'll sell complete wires made with Beru parts. Jaime On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Craig and Jaime, Thanks for the good info and part numbers on this thread. I tried to change plug wires on the 85 SL and encountered this same system. Looks like I get to go to the stealership Monday to see what they want for the little connectors. If they are too high, I will have to wait for Rusty to get them. x On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:37:26 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Ignition leads from this time period use screw on connectors. You use this tool: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=271categoryId=6 To crimp on terminals that look like this: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=19categoryId=8 Then you screw on the end: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=250categoryId=12 Good information, Jaime! THANK YOU! I recently build wires for my '95 E320 using this method. The parts are available as needed from the dealer. The complete wires were not available, you had to build them. When I ordered the new rubber cap from Rusty, he also said the complete wires were not available. Unfortunately, he only sold me the rubber cap, which is the same part number (000 159 28 42) as shown on your third link, but not the crimp on terminals. (Your second link has them 100/$70.00, which is a little pricey since I only need one.) My existing cable still has the terminal on its center wire; I'll send a picture in a separate email so this one doesn't have to wait for Kaleb. I think I do need to replace the terminal (and I have access to a lot of different types of crimping tools at work). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:18:32 -0400 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Did you use a digital camera? Yes. What type? Nikon CoolPix 775. I really like the macro function. It will focus down to a little over 1 from the object, which is even closer than my Nikon CoolPix 4000 at work will do. I love the picture (low f-number) Thank you. There is a fluorescent lamp (2-bulb, F40T12) about 5 feet above the table surface that lights things up pretty well. and your fine wood workbench! Actually, it's my office desk. It's a very old, solid-core door I bought for $5 from a fellow west of Calhan, Colorado, that's sitting on two two-drawer file cabinets. You can see the mess in the photo attached. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn0046.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 166011 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101015/ae4aa97b/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
A clean desk is a sign of a sick mind --R On 10/15/2010 3:06 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:18:32 -0400 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Did you use a digital camera? Yes. What type? Nikon CoolPix 775. I really like the macro function. It will focus down to a little over 1 from the object, which is even closer than my Nikon CoolPix 4000 at work will do. I love the picture (low f-number) Thank you. There is a fluorescent lamp (2-bulb, F40T12) about 5 feet above the table surface that lights things up pretty well. and your fine wood workbench! Actually, it's my office desk. It's a very old, solid-core door I bought for $5 from a fellow west of Calhan, Colorado, that's sitting on two two-drawer file cabinets. You can see the mess in the photo attached. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn0046.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 166011 bytes Desc: not available URL:http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101015/ae4aa97b/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:17:08 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A clean desk is a sign of a sick mind I have a sign on another desk (just out of the picture to the right) that says, Geniuses thrive on clutter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Excellent. --R On 10/16/2010 9:09 PM, Craig wrote: On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:17:08 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A clean desk is a sign of a sick mind I have a sign on another desk (just out of the picture to the right) that says, Geniuses thrive on clutter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the front anti-sway bar that I misplaced. I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ignition.cable.terminal.3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 164194 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101014/591de81b/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Cool! Way to go! On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the front anti-sway bar that I misplaced. I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ignition.cable.terminal.3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 164194 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101014/591de81b/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
That is a nice connection! On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the front anti-sway bar that I misplaced. I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ignition.cable.terminal.3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 164194 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101014/591de81b/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:08:41 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Cool! Way to go! Thank you! On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the front anti-sway bar that I misplaced. I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:25:12 -0400 Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote: That is a nice connection! Thank you! On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the front anti-sway bar that I misplaced. I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Did you use a digital camera? What type? I love the picture (low f-number) and your fine wood workbench! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:24 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the front anti-sway bar that I misplaced. I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ignition.cable.terminal.3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 164194 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101014/59 1de81b/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5688 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101015/8c01bc60/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Now I understand the screw connector! I was thinking back to my VW days - where the male screw was in the spark plug connector - and screwed into the wire, making contact as it went in. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the front anti-sway bar that I misplaced. I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:45:33 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Now I understand the screw connector! I was thinking back to my VW days - where the male screw was in the spark plug connector - and screwed into the wire, making contact as it went in. And while I was snooping around in the W124 manual, guess what I found! Section 15-0512 is Replacing ignition cables with M3 cable screw, which describes just what I went through. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:25:59 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: My existing cable still has the terminal on its center wire; I'll send a picture in a separate email so this one doesn't have to wait for Kaleb. I think I do need to replace the terminal (and I have access to a lot of different types of crimping tools at work). The picture of my current terminal is attached. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ignition.cable.terminal.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 165554 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101005/4e630feb/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38 Jaime On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:25:59 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: My existing cable still has the terminal on its center wire; I'll send a picture in a separate email so this one doesn't have to wait for Kaleb. I think I do need to replace the terminal (and I have access to a lot of different types of crimping tools at work). The picture of my current terminal is attached. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ignition.cable.terminal.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 165554 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101005/4e630feb/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the front anti-sway bar that I misplaced. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Yeah, they're just too expensive to justify. Its a tool to borrow for sure! I was just explaining what the factory way to make wires is. You can probably find aftermarket wires already made from Rusty and such, but would have to buy the complete set. Jaime On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Good info Jaime! Thanks $325 for pliers? Not with my money I think a coax crimper would work. I am sure the Beru plers are nice, but they are worth about $32.50, not $325. Ignition leads from this time period use screw on connectors. You use this tool: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=271categoryId=6 To crimp on terminals that look like this: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=19categoryId=8 Then you screw on the end: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=250categoryId=12 I recently build wires for my '95 E320 using this method. The parts are available as needed from the dealer. The complete wires were not available, you had to build them Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Hmm, snowmobiles use threaded caps, I wonder how different they are? Of course snowmobile wires are real stranded wire inside. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:51:44 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question Message-ID: a06240814c8d16864b...@[192.168.1.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed That is the way it used to be back when I messed with M180 gassers. I think our 230TE 123 was that way also. It is a great system. When it got to where I could not get bulk spark plug wire reasonably, I'd just buy a v-8 set of moulded cables and cut the ends off to get the length I needed. Always had a few spare wires also that way The thing that really ticked me off was when some numbskull at the corner gas station would throw out the ends and put cheap American moulded wires on the engine. I would scrounge the junkyards for original ends. Craig wrote: That would be great, but the terminal/connector is buried in the rubber of the rubber cap. I cannot see any way to get it out and then back in. The terminal doesn't have a threaded spike on it, does it? If it's threaded, I believe you cut the cable square and screw the end on. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
The way I remember it (not mb specific) was tp Strip it so you have 1/2 of the tiny core exposed. Strip off another 3/8-1/2 of just the outer cover. Bend the exposed core over. Slide the connector on so that the bottom part overlaps the outer cover. Crimp the bottom of the connector over the outer cover, criomp the center of the connector down on bent back core. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:31:26 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: The way I remember it (not mb specific) was tp Strip it so you have 1/2 of the tiny core exposed. Strip off another 3/8-1/2 of just the outer cover. Bend the exposed core over. Slide the connector on so that the bottom part overlaps the outer cover. Crimp the bottom of the connector over the outer cover, criomp the center of the connector down on bent back core. That would be great, but the terminal/connector is buried in the rubber of the rubber cap. I cannot see any way to get it out and then back in. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Craig wrote: That would be great, but the terminal/connector is buried in the rubber of the rubber cap. I cannot see any way to get it out and then back in. The terminal doesn't have a threaded spike on it, does it? If it's threaded, I believe you cut the cable square and screw the end on. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
That is the way it used to be back when I messed with M180 gassers. I think our 230TE 123 was that way also. It is a great system. When it got to where I could not get bulk spark plug wire reasonably, I'd just buy a v-8 set of moulded cables and cut the ends off to get the length I needed. Always had a few spare wires also that way The thing that really ticked me off was when some numbskull at the corner gas station would throw out the ends and put cheap American moulded wires on the engine. I would scrounge the junkyards for original ends. Craig wrote: That would be great, but the terminal/connector is buried in the rubber of the rubber cap. I cannot see any way to get it out and then back in. The terminal doesn't have a threaded spike on it, does it? If it's threaded, I believe you cut the cable square and screw the end on. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Ignition leads from this time period use screw on connectors. You use this tool: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=271categoryId=6 To crimp on terminals that look like this: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=19categoryId=8 Then you screw on the end: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=250categoryId=12 I recently build wires for my '95 E320 using this method. The parts are available as needed from the dealer. The complete wires were not available, you had to build them. Jaime On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: When I took the E420 apart to change the power steering pump, one of the things I ran into was corrosion on the high-tension cable from the left ignition coil to the left distributor. The terminal of the cable had corroded onto the contact post of the distributor and broke off the cable's wire when I tried to remove it. I bought a new terminal (which comes inside a new rubber cap), knowing that when the time came I would have to fix the cable/wire. So now the time has come! I'm having trouble figuring out how to make a solid connection between the terminal in the new rubber cap and the wire in the center of the ignition cable. I'd rather not spend $8 more on a second terminal/rubber cap so I have one to cut apart to see how it's supposed to work. Anyone have any clue? Thanks, Craig --- Present:'94 E420 '82 240D/3.0 263,000 mi Past: '86 190E '72 220/8 '72 220D/8 '64 190Dc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Good info Jaime! Thanks $325 for pliers? Not with my money I think a coax crimper would work. I am sure the Beru plers are nice, but they are worth about $32.50, not $325. Ignition leads from this time period use screw on connectors. You use this tool: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=271categoryId=6 To crimp on terminals that look like this: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=19categoryId=8 Then you screw on the end: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=250categoryId=12 I recently build wires for my '95 E320 using this method. The parts are available as needed from the dealer. The complete wires were not available, you had to build them Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
Rusty provided a new set of ready-made wires for my 450SLC, have you called him? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:37:26 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Ignition leads from this time period use screw on connectors. You use this tool: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=271categoryId=6 To crimp on terminals that look like this: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=19categoryId=8 Then you screw on the end: http://www.beruparts.com/product.sc?productId=250categoryId=12 Good information, Jaime! THANK YOU! I recently build wires for my '95 E320 using this method. The parts are available as needed from the dealer. The complete wires were not available, you had to build them. When I ordered the new rubber cap from Rusty, he also said the complete wires were not available. Unfortunately, he only sold me the rubber cap, which is the same part number (000 159 28 42) as shown on your third link, but not the crimp on terminals. (Your second link has them 100/$70.00, which is a little pricey since I only need one.) My existing cable still has the terminal on its center wire; I'll send a picture in a separate email so this one doesn't have to wait for Kaleb. I think I do need to replace the terminal (and I have access to a lot of different types of crimping tools at work). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:09:22 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Rusty provided a new set of ready-made wires for my 450SLC, have you called him? He was the one from whom I got the new rubber cap with the terminal buried inside. As I replied to Jaime, he also said the ready-made wires were not available. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question
When I took the E420 apart to change the power steering pump, one of the things I ran into was corrosion on the high-tension cable from the left ignition coil to the left distributor. The terminal of the cable had corroded onto the contact post of the distributor and broke off the cable's wire when I tried to remove it. I bought a new terminal (which comes inside a new rubber cap), knowing that when the time came I would have to fix the cable/wire. So now the time has come! I'm having trouble figuring out how to make a solid connection between the terminal in the new rubber cap and the wire in the center of the ignition cable. I'd rather not spend $8 more on a second terminal/rubber cap so I have one to cut apart to see how it's supposed to work. Anyone have any clue? Thanks, Craig --- Present:'94 E420 '82 240D/3.0263,000 mi Past: '86 190E '72 220/8 '72 220D/8 '64 190Dc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '94 E420 [was: Re: 350SDL power steering R/R fluid]
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:11:03 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: How about ATF in a '94 E420's steering pump? I never had to put any in that car. Well, shortly after you dropped it off, it started leaking, which is why I have been working off and on (mostly off, lately) on changing the power steering pump. It's going back together now; I have the new pump in and need to complete bolting it in and connecting the hoses. It also has a gasoline leak somewhere. I think it's under the passenger compartment on the driver's side. With a furnace in the garage and the garage connected to the house, I'm not about to start it until I can roll it outside. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 E420
A 1992 Ford Galaxy blimpmobile that wasn't too bad a car. The E320 early production year models have some rather serious QC issues so I guess he was lucky. On 10/19/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/19/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friend is still thrilled with his 1999 E320, a year after he purchased it from a MD dealer. It was a low mileage car and impeccably maintained at the time of purchase and he has put on about 11 k miles since then with no problems whatsoever (currently at 67K mi). Glad he's happy, but what is he comparing it to? The reaction across the board in the car mags and among every long-time MB owner I've talked to regarding the 210 chassis is nice, but not a patch on the old one, meaning the 124. Specific complaints I've heard are cheapened interior materials, vague steering, and a general lack of the bank-vault feeling (clank instead of THUNK when slamming doors). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 E420
On 10/19/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friend is still thrilled with his 1999 E320, a year after he purchased it from a MD dealer. It was a low mileage car and impeccably maintained at the time of purchase and he has put on about 11 k miles since then with no problems whatsoever (currently at 67K mi). Glad he's happy, but what is he comparing it to? The reaction across the board in the car mags and among every long-time MB owner I've talked to regarding the 210 chassis is nice, but not a patch on the old one, meaning the 124. Specific complaints I've heard are cheapened interior materials, vague steering, and a general lack of the bank-vault feeling (clank instead of THUNK when slamming doors). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 E420
My friend is still thrilled with his 1999 E320, a year after he purchased it
from a MD dealer. It was a low mileage car and impeccably maintained at the
time of purchase and he has put on about 11 k miles since then with no
problems whatsoever (currently at 67K mi).
On 10/18/07, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually the third generation 124's, they had a bit of an upgrade in
89/90 and put panels on the bottom of the doors and a few other things.
Wray Stanley wrote:
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
It's the second-generation ('94-'95) 124, to be precise. In '94 was
the Great Renaming (when the letters went before the numbers). Also
an across-the-board cost-cutting program,
Yes. That was the new model year that a Mercedes exec was bragging about
reducing production costs by 35%.
Wray
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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 available in Des Moines
They are VERY nice, I love mine. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 available in Des Moines E420's are really nice cars. Wish I could afford one. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] '94 E420 available in Des Moines Black black, well cared for by wealthy owner, $5K would probably take it. From what I hear (and I don't mean by the owner) it is flawless. No, I don't have the cashflow to support purchase. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 94 E420
Is the 94 E420 a 124? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 E420
wilton strickland wrote: Is the 94 E420 a 124? Yep ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 E420
On 10/18/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
wilton strickland wrote:
Is the 94 E420 a 124?
Yep
It's the second-generation ('94-'95) 124, to be precise. In '94 was
the Great Renaming (when the letters went before the numbers). Also
an across-the-board cost-cutting program, (vide the removal from the
W140 of features like the automatic parking feelers etc.), and, some
say, the beginning of the big decline in quality that afflicted
Mercedes in the '90s and early '00s. Lower hood, different grill,
smoother tail, better headlights, 16 wheels with a wider offset stock
on many models... am I missing anything?
Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
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Re: [MBZ] 94 E420
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
It's the second-generation ('94-'95) 124, to be precise. In '94 was
the Great Renaming (when the letters went before the numbers). Also
an across-the-board cost-cutting program,
Yes. That was the new model year that a Mercedes exec was bragging about
reducing production costs by 35%.
Wray
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Re: [MBZ] 94 E420
Wray Stanley wrote: Yes. That was the new model year that a Mercedes exec was bragging about reducing production costs by 35%. Was the 1994 W202 substantially cheaper to make than the 1993 W201? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 94 E420
Actually the third generation 124's, they had a bit of an upgrade in
89/90 and put panels on the bottom of the doors and a few other things.
Wray Stanley wrote:
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
It's the second-generation ('94-'95) 124, to be precise. In '94 was
the Great Renaming (when the letters went before the numbers). Also
an across-the-board cost-cutting program,
Yes. That was the new model year that a Mercedes exec was bragging about
reducing production costs by 35%.
Wray
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[MBZ] '94 E420 available in Des Moines
Black black, well cared for by wealthy owner, $5K would probably take it. From what I hear (and I don't mean by the owner) it is flawless. No, I don't have the cashflow to support purchase. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 available in Des Moines
E420's are really nice cars. Wish I could afford one. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] '94 E420 available in Des Moines Black black, well cared for by wealthy owner, $5K would probably take it. From what I hear (and I don't mean by the owner) it is flawless. No, I don't have the cashflow to support purchase. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 available in Des Moines
GO get them to make a donation of the car to your non-profit. THen offer the non-profit $500 for it. At 06:47 PM 10/17/2007, you wrote: Black black, well cared for by wealthy owner, $5K would probably take it. From what I hear (and I don't mean by the owner) it is flawless. No, I don't have the cashflow to support purchase. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 available in Des Moines
Owner is a smart businessman, owns his own company (Debbie's younger brother is his right hand man at the outfit, sort of the #2 in the office.). so I don't think he would part with the E420 just for the tax write-off. This is a guy who bought a BMW SUV to replace the E420 and didn't even have to talk trade in to do the deal. On 10/17/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GO get them to make a donation of the car to your non-profit. THen offer the non-profit $500 for it. At 06:47 PM 10/17/2007, you wrote: Black black, well cared for by wealthy owner, $5K would probably take it. From what I hear (and I don't mean by the owner) it is flawless. No, I don't have the cashflow to support purchase. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
