Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 6, 2015 at 8:01 PM clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> I had understood that there was a caveman approach to correcting some
> sulfating in auto batteries.  I could be mistaken, but I have heard
> anecdotally that if you remove the battery to a safe location ( a grassy area)
> and invert the thing (after topping off with de ionized h2o) and smack it upon
> the bottom with a deadfall mallet a few times over each cell, that a goodly
> bit of the sulfites will dislodge themselves from the plates.  Sort of breaks
> the short circuit between plates.  With the debris now able to fall off the
> plates, the battery will once more take a charge.
> 

I read something like that in the Tips column of a motorcycle magazine in the
1970s. 
Wrap it in foam, bounce it on the concrete a few times, rinse it out, repeat
until nothing more rinses out of it, refill with fresh electrolyte. 
Did that with a dead 22NF Interstate from my Honda Civic, got another couple of
years out of use out of it. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I read something like that in the Tips column of a motorcycle magazine in the
1970s.
Wrap it in foam, bounce it on the concrete a few times, rinse it out, repeat
until nothing more rinses out of it, refill with fresh electrolyte.
Did that with a dead 22NF Interstate from my Honda Civic, got 
another couple of

years out of use out of it.

Mitch.


There still are a few places that sell "rebuilt" batteries.  My guess 
is that is the procedure used to "rebuild" the batteries.


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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[clay via Mercedes]

I had understood that there was a caveman approach to correcting some sulfating 
in auto batteries.  I could be mistaken, but I have heard anecdotally that if 
you remove the battery to a safe location ( a grassy area) and invert the thing 
(after topping off with de ionized h2o) and smack it upon the bottom with a 
deadfall mallet a few times over each cell, that a goodly bit of the sulfites 
will dislodge themselves from the plates.  Sort of breaks the short circuit 
between plates.  With the debris now able to fall off the plates, the battery 
will once more take a charge.

clay


On Oct 6, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

>> IIRC, they claim that the high current pulses knock the sulfate off the
>> plates, which wouldn't be ideal, you want to get the sulfur back into the
>> solution.
> 
> From my reading it's the shape of the waveform that is significant.
> You need to use the internal inductance of the battery construction
> in order to get peak voltages _on the sulfated spots_ in order to
> reverse the reaction.  The problem is that a cell is a large parallel
> area, and the non-sulfated spots will soak up the voltage.  Using
> square waves, or even a resonant circuit, helps get the voltage to
> where it's needed.  You still lose a lot of current to the already
> good normal-voltage spots, and have to keep an eye on the electrolyte.
> 
> It sounds tricky, and I've had very limited results with the
> experiments I conducted way back when.  One such experiment cost
> me my best 'scope, which I'd left on for days to keep an eye on
> the waveform.  It didn't like that, turns out.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Load tested this afternoon, 592 CCA of the original 640 are still available.  
This is SWMBO's Infiniti battery, not a group 49.  I'll keep it.

While waiting in line at FLAPS, couple came in with an original MB group 49 
from a '07 gasser.  I remarked that eight years was a pretty good service life, 
fellow told me that MB was finally replacing a defective engine balancer shaft, 
about $6 grand to do the job, gratis to him because MB lost a class action 
lawsuit thirty days ago.
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

the battery had dropped to 12.72 volts, so perhaps it still has some 
life.


Perhaps, but that is barely evidence.  Measuring the resting voltage
is like counting the tires on your car.  Necessary, but hardly
sufficient preparation for a road trip.


Load testing at FLAPS is a good idea,


Now you're talking!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

IIRC, they claim that the high current pulses knock the sulfate off the
plates, which wouldn't be ideal, you want to get the sulfur back into 
the

solution.


From my reading it's the shape of the waveform that is significant.
You need to use the internal inductance of the battery construction
in order to get peak voltages _on the sulfated spots_ in order to
reverse the reaction.  The problem is that a cell is a large parallel
area, and the non-sulfated spots will soak up the voltage.  Using
square waves, or even a resonant circuit, helps get the voltage to
where it's needed.  You still lose a lot of current to the already
good normal-voltage spots, and have to keep an eye on the electrolyte.

It sounds tricky, and I've had very limited results with the
experiments I conducted way back when.  One such experiment cost
me my best 'scope, which I'd left on for days to keep an eye on
the waveform.  It didn't like that, turns out.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

This a.m. the battery had dropped to 12.72 volts, so perhaps it still has
some life.  Load testing at FLAPS is a good idea, I've got to get my hair
cut later today, perhaps I'll put the battery in the car and stop at FLAPS
along the way.

I've got the de-sulfinator hooked up to my sailboat deep cycle battery now,
but that already had a full charge so not much action other than
maintaining the charge.

After the load test I'll hook the Infiniti battery up to the de-sulfinator
and let that work on the battery for a bit.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

any idea which one? There seems to be lots of info out there on the web.


http://www.reuk.co.uk/Battery-Desulfation.htm

RB

On 05/10/2015 1:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I believe you mean "de-sulfator" as in a device for removing sulfate from the 
plates in the battery. I thought you were making a joke with de-sulfinator before.
I've got several solar de-sulfators, I can't remember the brand offhand, 
solargizer maybe? Yeah thats it, like this: 
http://www.global-merchants.com/home/solgzr.jpg Can't say that I think they're 
all that great. Maybe they add a year to the life of a battery, maybe not.
I see theres a newer version with a bigger panel that purports to also maintain 
the state of charge in the battery... Theres instructions online to build a DIY 
de-sulfator thats supposed to be the bee's knees. I've just never got around to 
building one. I ought to, the 100ah marine battery I bought to preheat my 240D 
back in 2003 is down to about 1ah capacity. It doesn't hold charge long either. 
If a thing could bring that battery back it'd be worth it...
-Curt
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This a.m. the battery had dropped to 12.72 volts, so perhaps it still has

some life.  Load testing at FLAPS is a good idea, I've got to get my hair
cut later today, perhaps I'll put the battery in the car and stop at FLAPS
along the way.

I've got the de-sulfinator hooked up to my sailboat deep cycle battery now,
but that already had a full charge so not much action other than
maintaining the charge.

After the load test I'll hook the Infiniti battery up to the de-sulfinator
and let that work on the battery for a bit.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I believe you mean "de-sulfator" as in a device for removing sulfate from the 
plates in the battery. I thought you were making a joke with de-sulfinator 
before.
I've got several solar de-sulfators, I can't remember the brand offhand, 
solargizer maybe? Yeah thats it, like this: 
http://www.global-merchants.com/home/solgzr.jpg Can't say that I think they're 
all that great. Maybe they add a year to the life of a battery, maybe not.
I see theres a newer version with a bigger panel that purports to also maintain 
the state of charge in the battery... Theres instructions online to build a DIY 
de-sulfator thats supposed to be the bee's knees. I've just never got around to 
building one. I ought to, the 100ah marine battery I bought to preheat my 240D 
back in 2003 is down to about 1ah capacity. It doesn't hold charge long either. 
If a thing could bring that battery back it'd be worth it...
-Curt
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Cc: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> 
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This a.m. the battery had dropped to 12.72 volts, so perhaps it still has
some life.  Load testing at FLAPS is a good idea, I've got to get my hair
cut later today, perhaps I'll put the battery in the car and stop at FLAPS
along the way.

I've got the de-sulfinator hooked up to my sailboat deep cycle battery now,
but that already had a full charge so not much action other than
maintaining the charge.

After the load test I'll hook the Infiniti battery up to the de-sulfinator
and let that work on the battery for a bit.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

toe-mato, to-mahto, de-sulfater, you got my meaning.  Is either in any
dictionary?



-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I believe you mean "de-sulfator" as in a device for removing sulfate from
> the plates in the battery. I thought you were making a joke with
> de-sulfinator before.
> I've got several solar de-sulfators, I can't remember the brand offhand,
> solargizer maybe? Yeah thats it, like this:
> http://www.global-merchants.com/home/solgzr.jpg Can't say that I think
> they're all that great. Maybe they add a year to the life of a battery,
> maybe not.
> I see theres a newer version with a bigger panel that purports to also
> maintain the state of charge in the battery... Theres instructions online
> to build a DIY de-sulfator thats supposed to be the bee's knees. I've just
> never got around to building one. I ought to, the 100ah marine battery I
> bought to preheat my 240D back in 2003 is down to about 1ah capacity. It
> doesn't hold charge long either. If a thing could bring that battery back
> it'd be worth it...
> -Curt
>   From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 2:02 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels
>
> This a.m. the battery had dropped to 12.72 volts, so perhaps it still has
> some life.  Load testing at FLAPS is a good idea, I've got to get my hair
> cut later today, perhaps I'll put the battery in the car and stop at FLAPS
> along the way.
>
> I've got the de-sulfinator hooked up to my sailboat deep cycle battery now,
> but that already had a full charge so not much action other than
> maintaining the charge.
>
> After the load test I'll hook the Infiniti battery up to the de-sulfinator
> and let that work on the battery for a bit.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:34:09 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I was getting concerned about the dogde getting close to the count 
> where a "key" deactivates.

You mean to say that the "key" will work for only a certain number of
operations?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 5, 2015 at 2:02 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> I've got the de-sulfinator hooked up to my sailboat deep cycle battery now,
> but that already had a full charge so not much action other than
> maintaining the charge.

According to something I read 15-20 years ago on a battery mfg web site
(Surrette I believe), sulfation was mainly something that happened when you let
a battery go flat and stay that way. The sulfate causes the internal resistance
of the battery to go sky high by insulating the plates from the electrolyte. 

The answer was to put it on a 16v regulated power source to remove the sulfate
by electrolysis until it took five amps to maintain 16v, then make sure the
electrolyte was still above the tops of the plates. 

At places like Homepower and Mother Earth News, you'll see references to pulsing
chargers that are supposed to accomplish the same thing without as much loss of
water. IIRC, they claim that the high current pulses knock the sulfate off the
plates, which wouldn't be ideal, you want to get the sulfur back into the
solution. 

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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, that, too.

Wilton

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The battery in my sailboat was for the running lights at night.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


First thought of a battery on a sailboat is to run fan to "blow" the sail
in a "calm."   ;<)

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, that, too.

Wilton

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Mine is for electric start on the outboard, running lights, and VHF marine 
radio.

--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 5, 2015 6:49:02 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

The battery in my sailboat was for the running lights at night.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


First thought of a battery on a sailboat is to run fan to "blow" the

sail

in a "calm."   ;<)

Wilton




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citizens!

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of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The battery in my sailboat was for the running lights at night.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> First thought of a battery on a sailboat is to run fan to "blow" the sail
> in a "calm."   ;<)
>
> Wilton
>
>

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Mine is for electric start on the outboard, running lights, and VHF marine 
radio.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 5, 2015 6:49:02 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes  
wrote:
>The battery in my sailboat was for the running lights at night.
>
>On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes
>
>wrote:
>
>> First thought of a battery on a sailboat is to run fan to "blow" the
>sail
>> in a "calm."   ;<)
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>>
>
>-- 
>OK Don
>
>NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US
>citizens!
>
>*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
>of
>our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
>"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>who
>learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>fence
>for themselves."
>
>WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>2013 F150, 18 mpg
>2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I am assume the Dogde "key" may time out.  The MB "electronic keys" 
operate a number of times, then shut off.   I think the Dogde "key" 
(FOBIK) was a "better idea" that they borrowed from MB.


I had two hard drives that timed out without warning after 10 years. 
Stone dead.  That really irritated me.




On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:34:09 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:


 I was getting concerned about the dogde getting close to the count
 where a "key" deactivates.


You mean to say that the "key" will work for only a certain number of
operations?

Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Max writes :

>I bought a "de-sulfinator" charger >from Amazon which I will try on
>it later.
‎
Let us know how it works. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[G Mann via Mercedes]

You need to put a load tester on the battery to determine if it is
defective.

Any FLAPS has one and is more than happy to load test your battery for
free, on the chance you will buy a new one from them...

Have it load tested, then you will know if you have a damaged cell in the
battery..


On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> the two amp cycle says it is done, battery says it has 12.88 volts.  I took
>> off the charger and over a minute with the meter on it the voltage dropped
>> to 12.85, so I think this battery may not be too good.
>>
>
> There is something called a "surface charge", which basically means the
> voltage will drop a bit after you take it off charge.
>
> Your battery indeed may be dead, due to abuse etc., but this is
> not a symptom of that.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

the two amp cycle says it is done, battery says it has 12.88 volts.  I 
took
off the charger and over a minute with the meter on it the voltage 
dropped

to 12.85, so I think this battery may not be too good.


There is something called a "surface charge", which basically means the
voltage will drop a bit after you take it off charge.

Your battery indeed may be dead, due to abuse etc., but this is
not a symptom of that.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Max writes :

>I bought a "de-sulfinator" charger >from Amazon which I will try on
>it later.

Let us know how it works. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I don't know if MB has gone as far as toada and eliminated the last 
vestiges of a key for the uncontrollable "please sir, may i start the 
car?" button, but most of the current cars don't have a real switch.




Friend of mine has a 2013 pushbutton Datsun (Nissan).
He has had a no-start condition at least four times so far that I know of.
He swears he never leaves the car in ON or ACC mode when it happens. He claims
he rarely puts it in ACC when he wants to do something brief, like program the
GPS, and then immediately turns the car off.

Last time, about a week ago, it happened at Belle Tire because the guys
there can't mount tires with the car in Park, nor can they figure out
how to turn the car OFF with the car in Neutral, so they left the ignition
ON for an hour and a half while they monkeyed with the tires.

Time before that, which left him REALLY not amused, it wouldn't start at 10:30PM
in downtown Lansing near the baseball stadium after a game. He claims he just 
put it in park, hit the stop button and left the car, with all the lights off.


The car has funky voltage regulation. I plugged in my OBDII and went for a drive 
with him, there are four modes; no alternator - runs about 12.0V, break even -

runs about 12.7V, normal charge - about 13.5V, and supercharge - 14-15V.
The idea is to charge the battery like a hybrid, it enters supercharge mode when
you lift off the throttle to coast to a stop and then runs no alternator for a 
few minutes after that. I don't know if faulty charge management is the cause of 
the occasional no-start or not. He finally bought a jump pack last month and 
keeps it in the trunk. I hope he can open the trunk with a dead battery.
He said he'd put a DVM in the glove box and check voltage the next time it 
refuses to crank. I'm wondering if a group 24 deep cycle battery will fit in
the battery tray and connect to the cables in place of the group 35 factory 
battery that's been run flat a few times already.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Speaking of flat batteries, about two weeks ago I found the battery in
SWMBO's Infiniti was dead, as in nearly zero volts.  The car has been
sitting a lot because it needs a new steering rack (about $350 for an
aftermarket on RockAuto) and it is not a high priority project, so no time
to devote to it.  Battery is about three years old.

About four weeks ago I drove the car one day to run a couple errands, and
it cranked up just fine and drove fine, but now it was dead.  I tried
putting the battery charger on it, but it wouldn't accept any current.

Friday night I popped off the caps to check the electrolyte levels, and all
were low (a couple really low) so I topped them up and put the charger on
it.  Low and behold, after the charger cycled a bit between zero current
flow and a few amps (buzz-charge-bzzz-charge-bzz-charge
etc) it settled down into a slow charge current of just an amp or two, and
then over ten minutes it slowly started taking more and more current until
it was at full 10 amp flow, which was all the cheapo Hazard Fraught charger
was capable of.  I left it charging and checked it about an hour later, and
it was still charging at ten amps but the poor charger was getting pretty
hot.  I shut off the charger and left it alone for the night.

Yesterday I put the charger back on at ten amps, left it for a bit and when
I came back the charger indicated full charge on the ten amp setting, so I
flipped it over to two amp setting and let her go again.  After a full day
the two amp cycle says it is done, battery says it has 12.88 volts.  I took
off the charger and over a minute with the meter on it the voltage dropped
to 12.85, so I think this battery may not be too good.  I'm going to let it
sit and check it again tomorrow to see if it will discharge just sitting
there.  I bought a "de-sulfinator" charger from Amazon which I will try on
it later.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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[MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My 2005 Golf TDI only came with one key, thats no big deal, fixmyvw.com offers 
replacement keys, cut from a picture (imagine that) if you send a pic of your 
registration and drivers license. The thing they can't do is program the 
immobilizer so the key will actually start the car. What you need is the magic 
number from your car to allow the programming, my Indy has a cable that should 
allow that, I have the cable which will actually do the programming but mine 
can't get the magic number.
Sadly my Indy's cable couldn't get the magic number so no programming fun for 
me... We think its because his is an eBay cable, not a proper "VAG Tacho" which 
is about $300. I've asked the brain trust at the TDI club, hopefully somebody 
nearby has the real deal cable. If not I'll buy one, the cable is about the 
same price as a single dealer cut key with programming...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A fwe years down the road, there should be a way to retrofit a primitive
(non-digital) key so you don't have to incur a towing expense greater than
the value of the depreciated vehicle.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> My Smartkey equipped MBZ came with one transmitter key and no
> transmitterless emergency key. I often wish the prior two owners had kept
> the other remote key,
> even if the remote no longer worked, or the non-remote key.
>
> If I lose my Smartkey I'll have to be towed to the dealer and likely pay
> $300-500 for a new remote key.
>
> Fortunately my W140 came with two IR remotes with fold out keys, one
> master key, and one valet key. I suspect that's the full set.
>
> My first MBZ, the 116 300SD, came with one ignition key that doesn't fit
> the doors, a receipt for a new ignition lock, and a broken window from
> somebody
> locking himself out of the car.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My Smartkey equipped MBZ came with one transmitter key and no transmitterless 
emergency key. I often wish the prior two owners had kept the other remote key,

even if the remote no longer worked, or the non-remote key.

If I lose my Smartkey I'll have to be towed to the dealer and likely pay 
$300-500 for a new remote key.


Fortunately my W140 came with two IR remotes with fold out keys, one master key, 
and one valet key. I suspect that's the full set.


My first MBZ, the 116 300SD, came with one ignition key that doesn't fit the 
doors, a receipt for a new ignition lock, and a broken window from somebody

locking himself out of the car.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Another good thing about old MB diesels

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

A fwe years down the road, there should be a way to retrofit a primitive
(non-digital) key so you don't have to incur a towing expense greater than
the value of the depreciated vehicle.


Fortunately, my ways to avoid paying for tows and $500 keys are to 
stick with 123, 124 and 126 cars, with real keys.


I don't know if MB has gone as far as toada and eliminated the last 
vestiges of a key for the uncontrollable "please sir, may i start the 
car?" button, but most of the current cars don't have a real switch. 
only an electronic signal to ask the computer to start the car.  I am 
not sure this system could be retrofitted with a real key and switch.


There will be cars getting junked because it is not worth the price 
of a tow and a $500 "sftware key".



I was getting concerned about the dogde getting close to the count 
where a "key" deactivates.  Then a recall came along to replace the 
fubar fobik, otherwise known as a "key."  So, I figured that would 
give us two new "keys" and we'd likely never reach the count where 
the key disables itself.


After the new "keys" were delivered, it now takes 4 clicks to get the 
right side doors unlocked, and 2 clicks to get the left doors 
unlocked.  Not so good!


I love the veteran MBs with real keys that will shut off gassers, and 
will shut off the Diesels if they are working right.   I like the 
vaccum locking system for its near silence, compared to the loud 
clunkbuzz of the dogde.


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