Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
No one said it was likely to be profitable. Unlikely to increase the value by doing something like that but you might keep it usable. Need to be able to DIY. Randy On 21/01/2011 7:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net writes: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? The engine costs less but then you have to fabricate or rig parts for the swap. This guy claimed he had $7,000 invested in the swap... and was asking $2K for the car. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
These things are about as profitable, or make about as much financial sense as most restorations or modifications. As you say, that's not why most undertake doing them. The challenge, fun, knowing you have a perfectly restored car or the car you want, but seldom to make money, or even come close to breaking even. Still, it's cheaper than wine, women and song, and almost as much fun. ;-) Ed 300E On 24 January 2011 12:12, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: No one said it was likely to be profitable. Unlikely to increase the value by doing something like that but you might keep it usable. Need to be able to DIY. Randy On 21/01/2011 7:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net writes: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? The engine costs less but then you have to fabricate or rig parts for the swap. This guy claimed he had $7,000 invested in the swap... and was asking $2K for the car. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? -Rolf On 01/20/2011 08:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? Single-Board Computer? Siamese Basket Case? Salamander Bait Container? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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$7000 could have gone a long way to making that a decent car. Then the car would have been worth something. Now, its worthless. Jaime On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? And they're pretty darn reliable, too. And can be easily and cheaply built to 400+ HP. I think a 124 with that kind of power, a sorted-out suspension, and fatter tires than stock would be a blast to drive! If you have a 300E with a blown M103 that would otherwise go to the junkyard, why not? I think a lot of these kind of engine swaps aren't really planned, but just happen because someone has too much time on their hands and has the parts laying around. (Hmmm, I need to do something with this Benz... I wonder if this 350 I pulled out of the kid's Nova after he wrecked it will fit.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Small Butchered Chovey (V8) as opposed to the large block 427/454 Single-Board Computer? Siamese Basket Case? Salamander Bait Container? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What he said! On 01/21/2011 10:59 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: $7000 could have gone a long way to making that a decent car. Then the car would have been worth something. Now, its worthless. Jaime On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can understand it. SBC are very common and there are lots of good aftermarket parts to make power. Once the hood is closed, no one really knows what is under there unless you tell them. So, if you like the car but need an engine, I can see swapping to a SBC. There were kits available to put them in Jags - that was probably an improvement in most cases. If you are driving what amounts to a beater Benz, why not add some power? Esp late model Vortec engines - pretty reliable etc. Randy On 21/01/2011 9:16 AM, Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? -Rolf On 01/20/2011 08:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. And contrary to what many think, a small block Chev will go hundreds of thousands of miles, with little more than oil changes and pouring gas in it. I've yet to meet a guy who's owned or driven one of these so called million mile Mercedes, that hasn't had the heads rebuilt 3 times, new bearings in the bottom engine, and a trans overhaul or two. That's not a million mile engine, that's a 350,000 mile engine, which a small block will do with little problem. Ed 300E. I like my German cars, but I have no problem giving credit where it's due. On 21 January 2011 11:20, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? And they're pretty darn reliable, too. And can be easily and cheaply built to 400+ HP. I think a 124 with that kind of power, a sorted-out suspension, and fatter tires than stock would be a blast to drive! If you have a 300E with a blown M103 that would otherwise go to the junkyard, why not? I think a lot of these kind of engine swaps aren't really planned, but just happen because someone has too much time on their hands and has the parts laying around. (Hmmm, I need to do something with this Benz... I wonder if this 350 I pulled out of the kid's Nova after he wrecked it will fit.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
Nor do I, but I bought a 1977 240D brand new and got 774,000 before my son had a belt hit the radiator hose because the cheap bracket broke and cracked the head. Put a new head on and drove it another 25k until I sold it for $1500.00. I got my $23,000 worth, trust me. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:32:25 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. And contrary to what many think, a small block Chev will go hundreds of thousands of miles, with little more than oil changes and pouring gas in it. I've yet to meet a guy who's owned or driven one of these so called million mile Mercedes, that hasn't had the heads rebuilt 3 times, new bearings in the bottom engine, and a trans overhaul or two. That's not a million mile engine, that's a 350,000 mile engine, which a small block will do with little problem. Ed 300E. I like my German cars, but I have no problem giving credit where it's due. On 21 January 2011 11:20, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? And they're pretty darn reliable, too. And can be easily and cheaply built to 400+ HP. I think a 124 with that kind of power, a sorted-out suspension, and fatter tires than stock would be a blast to drive! If you have a 300E with a blown M103 that would otherwise go to the junkyard, why not? I think a lot of these kind of engine swaps aren't really planned, but just happen because someone has too much time on their hands and has the parts laying around. (Hmmm, I need to do something with this Benz... I wonder if this 350 I pulled out of the kid's Nova after he wrecked it will fit.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I bought an old Ford wagon, with a V6 in it off a lawyer friend. Had really low miles, something like 50,000 km. Guy stops while I'm in the driveway one day washing cars, asking if I want to sell it. He had the EXACT same car. Colour and all. He said he wanted it for the carb, as his was not working as it should. I asked his mileage, and he said something like 750,000 miles! I asked, why not just transplant my whole engine and trans. He said the engine and trans in his are fine, just needs a new carb. lol. Many guys running cabs here with small blocks say they retire them at 700,000 miles. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 13:42, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Nor do I, but I bought a 1977 240D brand new and got 774,000 before my son had a belt hit the radiator hose because the cheap bracket broke and cracked the head. Put a new head on and drove it another 25k until I sold it for $1500.00. I got my $23,000 worth, trust me. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:32:25 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. And contrary to what many think, a small block Chev will go hundreds of thousands of miles, with little more than oil changes and pouring gas in it. I've yet to meet a guy who's owned or driven one of these so called million mile Mercedes, that hasn't had the heads rebuilt 3 times, new bearings in the bottom engine, and a trans overhaul or two. That's not a million mile engine, that's a 350,000 mile engine, which a small block will do with little problem. Ed 300E. I like my German cars, but I have no problem giving credit where it's due. On 21 January 2011 11:20, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? And they're pretty darn reliable, too. And can be easily and cheaply built to 400+ HP. I think a 124 with that kind of power, a sorted-out suspension, and fatter tires than stock would be a blast to drive! If you have a 300E with a blown M103 that would otherwise go to the junkyard, why not? I think a lot of these kind of engine swaps aren't really planned, but just happen because someone has too much time on their hands and has the parts laying around. (Hmmm, I need to do something with this Benz... I wonder if this 350 I pulled out of the kid's Nova after he wrecked it will fit.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
When lots of people were doing clones, they butchered lots of 400i's for the V12 engines. I'm sure there was a time with lots of bodies floating around, and if you don't mind an auto, that car came with a GM sourced auto, so bolting up a small, or big block no problem. Well, not as much of a problem anyway. hee hee. A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 14:23, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: When lots of people were doing clones, they butchered lots of 400i's for the V12 engines. I'm sure there was a time with lots of bodies floating around, and if you don't mind an auto, that car came with a GM sourced auto, so bolting up a small, or big block no problem. Well, not as much of a problem anyway. hee hee. That's an idea, though not as interesting as doing one of the mid-engined cars. I know the 400i is one of Ferrari's red-headed stepchildren, but I actually really like its looks. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I like the 400s too. A fellow at a cruise I attend during the summer months has one which he keeps in perfect shape. It's a really nice, big GT car, that does as it was built to do, and makes some really lovely sounds while doing it. :-) Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 14:47, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: When lots of people were doing clones, they butchered lots of 400i's for the V12 engines. I'm sure there was a time with lots of bodies floating around, and if you don't mind an auto, that car came with a GM sourced auto, so bolting up a small, or big block no problem. Well, not as much of a problem anyway. hee hee. That's an idea, though not as interesting as doing one of the mid-engined cars. I know the 400i is one of Ferrari's red-headed stepchildren, but I actually really like its looks. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you're going to go to the trouble at least punch the 350 out to 400 and plan on hopping it up... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:23:18 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D Message-ID: aanlktimt74vkzpc+e-c+bl0dt0gelnhvkcrws23ax...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. --R On 1/21/2011 2:36 PM, E M wrote: A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or a Pontiac 400, already correct! --R On 1/21/2011 3:12 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If you're going to go to the trouble at least punch the 350 out to 400 and plan on hopping it up... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:23:18 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D Message-ID: aanlktimt74vkzpc+e-c+bl0dt0gelnhvkcrws23ax...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E Mpokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. There used to be (maybe still is) a company that advertised a turnkey conversion like that in the back of Car Driver, Road Track, etc. PORSCHEV, they called it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That might have been it, the guy was around Houston or Galveston I think. --R On 1/21/2011 3:44 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. There used to be (maybe still is) a company that advertised a turnkey conversion like that in the back of Car Driver, Road Track, etc. PORSCHEV, they called it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Full AMG suspension/rims, and a 427 with a 5 speed. :-) Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:12, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If you're going to go to the trouble at least punch the 350 out to 400 and plan on hopping it up... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:23:18 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D Message-ID: aanlktimt74vkzpc+e-c+bl0dt0gelnhvkcrws23ax...@mail.gmail.comaanlktimt74vkzpc%2be-c%2bbl0dt0gelnhvkcrws23ax...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: American's make great engines and transmissions. The old joke about the difference between a Ferrari engine, and a GM engine was, with the GM engine, it makes more power, is lighter, and does the same job with 1/3 the parts. Are you recommending that I find a Ferrari with a blown engine and swap a Chevy 350 into it? If I had the cash and a way to mate the new engine to the transaxle in one of the mid-engine cars, I'd be all over that plan. Make mine an early '80s 308GTB, please. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've seen a couple of those in mags too. Not sure just what work it involved, but having owned a Chev 350, and a 911, it looks like more than a bolt in to me. The pics I've seem make it more into a mid engine car, and the rear seats are sacrificed to make room for the engine. I've also heard of guys dropping in a Subaru engine. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:24, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. --R On 1/21/2011 2:36 PM, E M wrote: A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I recall a mag article where I believe they installed the 455 cid engine and drive out of a Olds Toronado into a 911. They put together some old suitcases and cut out the back side of them to act as a cover for the engine so you could see the suitcases in the back part of the car behind the seats. Randy On 21/01/2011 3:04 PM, E M wrote: I've seen a couple of those in mags too. Not sure just what work it involved, but having owned a Chev 350, and a 911, it looks like more than a bolt in to me. The pics I've seem make it more into a mid engine car, and the rear seats are sacrificed to make room for the engine. I've also heard of guys dropping in a Subaru engine. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:24, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. --R On 1/21/2011 2:36 PM, E M wrote: A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like it would be fun getting into the throttle, and trying to keep the front wheels on the ground! hee hee Ed 911SC On 21 January 2011 17:29, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I recall a mag article where I believe they installed the 455 cid engine and drive out of a Olds Toronado into a 911. They put together some old suitcases and cut out the back side of them to act as a cover for the engine so you could see the suitcases in the back part of the car behind the seats. Randy On 21/01/2011 3:04 PM, E M wrote: I've seen a couple of those in mags too. Not sure just what work it involved, but having owned a Chev 350, and a 911, it looks like more than a bolt in to me. The pics I've seem make it more into a mid engine car, and the rear seats are sacrificed to make room for the engine. I've also heard of guys dropping in a Subaru engine. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:24, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. --R On 1/21/2011 2:36 PM, E M wrote: A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? The engine costs less but then you have to fabricate or rig parts for the swap. This guy claimed he had $7,000 invested in the swap... and was asking $2K for the car. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And it is worth $200 to $300, because if you read the ad, it doesn't run. It is a heap of junk. Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? The engine costs less but then you have to fabricate or rig parts for the swap. This guy claimed he had $7,000 invested in the swap... and was asking $2K for the car. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html Do they have emissions testing in Indiana? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html The real problem is finding a 570E badge for the trunklid. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:47 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html Do they have emissions testing in Indiana? For the most part no. I believe they do in the northwest counties near Chicago. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:47 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html Do they have emissions testing in Indiana? For the most part no. I believe they do in the northwest counties near Chicago. You are correct. Lake and Porter counties. The rest of the state gets a pass. That's that maroon (burgundy) POS that was on eBay and never sold, I guess. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
