Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Ahhh -- Then you need to get up to four, so you can compromise back down to three! I have finally convinced mine that we need one more car than drivers, and that it's less expensive than keeping one new car per driver. On 10/1/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Want to? Yeah, I might, but not able to due to wifely compromises. The idea is to get us back down to two cars. Brian -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Howdy all - Found a 87 190D to replace my 78 240D. Not very familiar with the 87 190D series. W201 I believe. The ad says 5 cyl 5 sp. What is capacity of 5 cyl 190D engine? Doesn't ring any bells - I assume this combination would get pretty good mpg's? How robust is this engine trans combination? Has 185k miles - to me that's just broken in good but a personal insp will tell. That's next. Not sure if it'll feel large enough for me - as I get older I like bigger cars - like a W126 ;-) I'm hoping to arm myself with some beakground facts 1st. I know the W201 was introduced in 84 to replace the W123 - I have a 84 sales brochure - would that be representative of a 87 model? Thanks for any info you can offer - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
It's a 2.5 liter from memory. Make sure that the climate control works because a compressor is expensive. Also, at least one of those years took a unique size injector body. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp Howdy all - Found a 87 190D to replace my 78 240D. Not very familiar with the 87 190D series. W201 I believe. The ad says 5 cyl 5 sp. What is capacity of 5 cyl 190D engine? Doesn't ring any bells - I assume this combination would get pretty good mpg's? How robust is this engine trans combination? Has 185k miles - to me that's just broken in good but a personal insp will tell. That's next. Not sure if it'll feel large enough for me - as I get older I like bigger cars - like a W126 ;-) I'm hoping to arm myself with some beakground facts 1st. I know the W201 was introduced in 84 to replace the W123 - I have a 84 sales brochure - would that be representative of a 87 model? Thanks for any info you can offer - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Hi Larry, I've got an '85 190D which is a 2.2l 4cyl, 5spd. The '87 would be a 2.5 5cyl. It'll be a rocketship compared to your 240D and should get better to much better mileage. It will be alot smaller than than your 240D, rear seat space is a bit laughable unless the front seat folks are real short... For a commuteing car though I don't think there is much finer for the balance of comfort and fuel consumption... -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:54:53 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Howdy all - Found a 87 190D to replace my 78 240D. Not very familiar with the 87 190D series. W201 I believe. The ad says 5 cyl 5 sp. What is capacity of 5 cyl 190D engine? Doesn't ring any bells - I assume this combination would get pretty good mpg's? How robust is this engine trans combination? Has 185k miles - to me that's just broken in good but a personal insp will tell. That's next. Not sure if it'll feel large enough for me - as I get older I like bigger cars - like a W126 ;-) I'm hoping to arm myself with some beakground facts 1st. I know the W201 was introduced in 84 to replace the W123 - I have a 84 sales brochure - would that be representative of a 87 model? Thanks for any info you can offer - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
190D series. W201 I believe. The ad says 5 cyl 5 sp. What is capacity of 5 cyl 190D engine? Doesn't ring any bells - 2.5l I assume this combination would get pretty good mpg's? High thirties city, low forties highway. How robust is this engine trans combination? Has 185k miles Very good. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Actually, the W124 replaced the W123 and the W201 was a new, smaller model referred to as the Baby Benz when it was introduced. John On 10/1/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy all - Found a 87 190D to replace my 78 240D. Not very familiar with the 87 190D series. W201 I believe. The ad says 5 cyl 5 sp. What is capacity of 5 cyl 190D engine? Doesn't ring any bells - I assume this combination would get pretty good mpg's? How robust is this engine trans combination? Has 185k miles - to me that's just broken in good but a personal insp will tell. That's next. Not sure if it'll feel large enough for me - as I get older I like bigger cars - like a W126 ;-) I'm hoping to arm myself with some beakground facts 1st. I know the W201 was introduced in 84 to replace the W123 - I have a 84 sales brochure - would that be representative of a 87 model? Thanks for any info you can offer - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Hey, something I can offer input on: As you might know from my recent questions about mystery noise and aluminum heads, etc., I have an 87 190D. (mystery noise solved - alternator came apart inside). Ours has the automatic 2.5 5 cyl. The power is quite satisfactory. To have a manual transmission would be to add some zip I imagine. The mileage has been about 32 city and the highway mileage has varied strangely from about low 30s to almost 40 on one tank. Perhaps it's very sensitive to hills? I know that ours runs about 65C or so on the temperature gauge, and theoretically if I was to be able to get it to run at the intended 80C the mileage would be better. The interior space does feel significantly smaller than our 240D. It feels almost as tight as our Saab 900 did. I've heard people complain about the windshield wiper (monowiper) not operating well in the 190. And of course the recent discourse about the danger of ever overheating one of their aluminum heads. Tight, responsive handling compared to the 123. Mine is for sale! :) But at this point we are trying to take advantage of the inflated market, and get a price for it that I'm sure most listers would balk at. Brian 87 190D 83 240D On 10/1/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy all - Found a 87 190D to replace my 78 240D. Not very familiar with the 87 190D series. W201 I believe. The ad says 5 cyl 5 sp. What is capacity of 5 cyl 190D engine? Doesn't ring any bells - I assume this combination would get pretty good mpg's? How robust is this engine trans combination? Has 185k miles - to me that's just broken in good but a personal insp will tell. That's next. Not sure if it'll feel large enough for me - as I get older I like bigger cars - like a W126 ;-) I'm hoping to arm myself with some beakground facts 1st. I know the W201 was introduced in 84 to replace the W123 - I have a 84 sales brochure - would that be representative of a 87 model? Thanks for any info you can offer - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Zoltan Finks wrote: The mileage has been about 32 city and the highway mileage has varied strangely from about low 30s to almost 40 on one tank. Perhaps it's very sensitive to hills? I know that ours runs about 65C or so on the temperature gauge, and theoretically if I was to be able to get it to run at the intended 80C the mileage would be better. Is that the correct thermostat? Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Honestly don't know if it has the correct thermostat in it. Haven't checked. To replace it looks more complicated than I'm used to, and I've heard talk on the list about having to make sure you get all the air out of the system when replacing the thermostat, or you're headed for trouble. Brian On 10/1/07, Wray Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: The mileage has been about 32 city and the highway mileage has varied strangely from about low 30s to almost 40 on one tank. Perhaps it's very sensitive to hills? I know that ours runs about 65C or so on the temperature gauge, and theoretically if I was to be able to get it to run at the intended 80C the mileage would be better. Is that the correct thermostat? Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly don't know if it has the correct thermostat in it. Haven't checked. To replace it looks more complicated than I'm used to, and I've heard talk on the list about having to make sure you get all the air out of the system when replacing the thermostat, or you're headed for trouble. If you keep running it at 60C you're headed for trouble as well -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Wow. Thanks for the reminder. Time to elaborate? Brian On 10/1/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly don't know if it has the correct thermostat in it. Haven't checked. To replace it looks more complicated than I'm used to, and I've heard talk on the list about having to make sure you get all the air out of the system when replacing the thermostat, or you're headed for trouble. If you keep running it at 60C you're headed for trouble as well -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
The engine was designed to run hotter than that. So, if you run it cooler than the design expected, trouble can result. Certainly not as immediately catastrophic as overheating, but you might have more buildup of carbon; the oil won't get hot enough to flow as well as it should, nor will it be hot enough to eliminate moisture as readily; with the engine running cool the internal clearances won't be quite right; you will get worse fuel economy; your cabin will not warm up as fast or as well when it's cold out, etc. I'm not an expert on how much any of these will permanently hurt your engine, but running it for extended periods at a significantly cooler-than-normal temperature is not in any way good for the engine. Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow. Thanks for the reminder. Time to elaborate? Brian On 10/1/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly don't know if it has the correct thermostat in it. Haven't checked. To replace it looks more complicated than I'm used to, and I've heard talk on the list about having to make sure you get all the air out of the system when replacing the thermostat, or you're headed for trouble. If you keep running it at 60C you're headed for trouble as well -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Zoltan Finks wrote: Honestly don't know if it has the correct thermostat in it. Haven't checked. To replace it looks more complicated than I'm used to, and I've heard talk on the list about having to make sure you get all the air out of the system when replacing the thermostat, or you're headed for trouble. I'm only familiar with 123 and 124 diesels, but they use 87?C thermostats. I'd say 60C is way too low. Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
It came new with a 80 degree thermostat. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Wray Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp Zoltan Finks wrote: Honestly don't know if it has the correct thermostat in it. Haven't checked. To replace it looks more complicated than I'm used to, and I've heard talk on the list about having to make sure you get all the air out of the system when replacing the thermostat, or you're headed for trouble. I'm only familiar with 123 and 124 diesels, but they use 87?C thermostats. I'd say 60C is way too low. Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
On 10/1/07, Wray Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm only familiar with 123 and 124 diesels, but they use 87?C thermostats. I'd say 60C is way too low. My 124 diesel has run almost always at an indicated 80 degrees since I've had it (five years or so), occasionally getting up to 85 at most in heavy summer traffic. Seems to be running just fine. Of course that's assuming the gauge is accurate. I bet the senders creep one way or the other with age. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Rusty Cullens wrote: It came new with a 80 degree thermostat. The non-turbo OM60x engines came with an 85 deg C thermostat. All the turbos had an 80. Both displayed a coolant temp of between 85-92 deg. C. A display of 65 deg on any of them is way too low and will degrade economy and result in excessive engine wear. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
How will you know, if you don't tell us how much? Want to trade for another 240D? Mine is for sale! :) But at this point we are trying to take advantage of the inflated market, and get a price for it that I'm sure most listers would balk at. Brian 87 190D 83 240D -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering 87 190D 5 sp
Want to? Yeah, I might, but not able to due to wifely compromises. The idea is to get us back down to two cars. Brian On 10/1/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How will you know, if you don't tell us how much? Want to trade for another 240D? Mine is for sale! :) But at this point we are trying to take advantage of the inflated market, and get a price for it that I'm sure most listers would balk at. Brian 87 190D 83 240D -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
