Re: [MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug
Very few transmission events from infected people after two weeks following symptom onset. Very ill people may be able to shed live virus longer. On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:45 PM archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This is a very good writeup IMO. > > Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that > patients are no longer infectious? > Thanks, > Gerry > > Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > > > Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread. This is an > unusual virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty > is that it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on > for some days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing. > > > > This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses, > just much less transmissible. Another long forgotten incident involved fur > animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was > possible. That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for > fur, and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing. > > > > The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if > people can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of > transmission, and when no more people are getting infected, eventually the > virus will no long reproduce. > > > > My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department, > and has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we > are more or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were > in place before the first cases showed up. The result is that we have just > over 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths. Case number per day is > down to five or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in > observation for exposure. > > > > Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay > at home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the > books from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses > like scarlet fever a measles. > > > > while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China > worked. You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect > the reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too > much, they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China. South Korea > and Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very > low cases as well. > > > > One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have > come from a single club over a couple nights. This is what I'm worried > about with the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being > infringed by public health measures. Only takes one jerk ignoring the > health rules to infect hundreds of people in close quarters. Ditto for the > boob that insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's > now positive and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result. > > > > I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz > for decades. Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting > really, really sick or killing my elderly mother. We are not all isolated > sovereign states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to > remember everyone is entitled to what we are. Or as my Grandmother used to > say "You have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are > standing on my toes" > > > > Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they > want are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the > results of their actions. > > ___ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug
The repeat tests being positive do not mean the sailors were necessarily reinfected, or infectious. It is a PCR. Cases like this have been described in China also, but no documented transmission has occurred from these individuals to others and they may simply still be shedding viral RNA without being contagious. On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 7:01 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Ask the Navy. Seems sailors on the Roosevelt (docked in Guam) are getting > cleared for duty after multiple tests show clean. There have been around a > half dozen or more who have been re-infected. > > Same sort of situations reported in UK, Canada, as well as other nations. > This may not be something that ever “goes away”. > > > clay > > I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > > > > > On May 16, 2020, at 6:44 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > This is a very good writeup IMO. > > > > Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that > patients are no longer infectious? > > Thanks, > > Gerry > > > > Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > > > >> Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread. This is an > unusual virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty > is that it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on > for some days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing. > >> > >> This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses, > just much less transmissible. Another long forgotten incident involved fur > animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was > possible. That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for > fur, and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing. > >> > >> The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if > people can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of > transmission, and when no more people are getting infected, eventually the > virus will no long reproduce. > >> > >> My local county has always had a pretty strong public health > department, and has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- > luckily, we are more or less remote here, and full state wide social > restrictions were in place before the first cases showed up. The result is > that we have just over 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths. Case > number per day is down to five or six, and I believe nearly all of them > were people in observation for exposure. > >> > >> Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with > stay at home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on > the books from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common > illnesses like scarlet fever a measles. > >> > >> while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China > worked. You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect > the reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too > much, they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China. South Korea > and Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very > low cases as well. > >> > >> One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases > have come from a single club over a couple nights. This is what I'm > worried about with the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are > being infringed by public health measures. Only takes one jerk ignoring > the health rules to infect hundreds of people in close quarters. Ditto for > the boob that insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- > he's now positive and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result. > >> > >> I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz > for decades. Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting > really, really sick or killing my elderly mother. We are not all isolated > sovereign states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to > remember everyone is entitled to what we are. Or as my Grandmother used to > say "You have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are > standing on my toes" > >> > >> Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they > want are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the > results of their actions. > >> ___ > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >
Re: [MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug
Ask the Navy. Seems sailors on the Roosevelt (docked in Guam) are getting cleared for duty after multiple tests show clean. There have been around a half dozen or more who have been re-infected. Same sort of situations reported in UK, Canada, as well as other nations. This may not be something that ever “goes away”. clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On May 16, 2020, at 6:44 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > This is a very good writeup IMO. > > Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that > patients are no longer infectious? > Thanks, > Gerry > > Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > >> Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread. This is an unusual >> virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty is that >> it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on for some >> days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing. >> >> This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses, just >> much less transmissible. Another long forgotten incident involved fur >> animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was >> possible. That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for fur, >> and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing. >> >> The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if people >> can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of transmission, and >> when no more people are getting infected, eventually the virus will no long >> reproduce. >> >> My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department, and >> has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we are >> more or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were in >> place before the first cases showed up. The result is that we have just >> over 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths. Case number per day is >> down to five or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in >> observation for exposure. >> >> Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay at >> home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the books >> from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses like >> scarlet fever a measles. >> >> while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China worked. >> You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect the >> reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too much, >> they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China. South Korea and >> Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very low >> cases as well. >> >> One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have >> come from a single club over a couple nights. This is what I'm worried >> about with the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being >> infringed by public health measures. Only takes one jerk ignoring the >> health rules to infect hundreds of people in close quarters. Ditto for the >> boob that insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's >> now positive and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result. >> >> I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz for >> decades. Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting really, >> really sick or killing my elderly mother. We are not all isolated sovereign >> states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to remember >> everyone is entitled to what we are. Or as my Grandmother used to say "You >> have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are standing on >> my toes" >> >> Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they want >> are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the results of >> their actions. >> ___ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug
2 weeks although that may also be a premature conculsion On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 10:45 PM archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This is a very good writeup IMO. > > Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that > patients are no longer infectious? > Thanks, > Gerry > > Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > > > Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread. This is an > unusual virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty > is that it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on > for some days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing. > > > > This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses, > just much less transmissible. Another long forgotten incident involved fur > animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was > possible. That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for > fur, and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing. > > > > The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if > people can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of > transmission, and when no more people are getting infected, eventually the > virus will no long reproduce. > > > > My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department, > and has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we > are more or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were > in place before the first cases showed up. The result is that we have just > over 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths. Case number per day is > down to five or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in > observation for exposure. > > > > Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay > at home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the > books from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses > like scarlet fever a measles. > > > > while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China > worked. You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect > the reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too > much, they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China. South Korea > and Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very > low cases as well. > > > > One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have > come from a single club over a couple nights. This is what I'm worried > about with the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being > infringed by public health measures. Only takes one jerk ignoring the > health rules to infect hundreds of people in close quarters. Ditto for the > boob that insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's > now positive and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result. > > > > I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz > for decades. Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting > really, really sick or killing my elderly mother. We are not all isolated > sovereign states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to > remember everyone is entitled to what we are. Or as my Grandmother used to > say "You have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are > standing on my toes" > > > > Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they > want are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the > results of their actions. > > ___ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug
This is a very good writeup IMO. Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that patients are no longer infectious? Thanks, Gerry Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread. This is an unusual > virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty is that > it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on for some > days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing. > > This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses, just > much less transmissible. Another long forgotten incident involved fur > animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was > possible. That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for fur, > and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing. > > The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if people > can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of transmission, and > when no more people are getting infected, eventually the virus will no long > reproduce. > > My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department, and > has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we are > more or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were in > place before the first cases showed up. The result is that we have just over > 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths. Case number per day is down to > five or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in observation for > exposure. > > Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay at > home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the books > from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses like > scarlet fever a measles. > > while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China worked. > You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect the > reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too much, > they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China. South Korea and > Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very low > cases as well. > > One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have come > from a single club over a couple nights. This is what I'm worried about with > the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being infringed by > public health measures. Only takes one jerk ignoring the health rules to > infect hundreds of people in close quarters. Ditto for the boob that > insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's now positive > and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result. > > I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz for > decades. Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting really, > really sick or killing my elderly mother. We are not all isolated sovereign > states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to remember > everyone is entitled to what we are. Or as my Grandmother used to say "You > have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are standing on > my toes" > > Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they want > are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the results of > their actions. > ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
