Re: [MBZ] Ford diesel

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The only problem with a fullsize as a woods truck is that they're wide. I had 
> a Ranger that was nice as a woods truck because it was narrow enough to sneak 
> into tight places. It wasn't a good highway truck but was nice offroad for a 
> stock truck.

That's why I went for the Mazcedes to replace the annoying Chevy.  But, it 
turns out its turning radius
was _larger_ than the full-sized truck it was to putatively replace, and it was 
so light I was concerned
about its ability to haul heavy loads of firewood up and out of the hole.  The 
Chevy had groaned mightily
quite a few times the way I was using it.

When dad's Ford became available I jumped at the chance to swap it for the 
Mazcedes.  That Ford's
original job was hauling a camper around the US, which it did well.  (A bit 
wheezy in the higher elevations,
but that's a NA diesel engine for you.)  He only replaced it because he'd 
always wanted a Cummins, and
decided that 2004 was the year he'd indulge himself.  The '04 Dodge was a much 
more refined truck than
the '90 that he'd been considering the last time.  It also was his first-ever 
slushbox truck, because he said
he was old and tired of 'rowing'.  He hauled an Airstream back and forth to 
Arizona with it.  He had kept the
Ford, and used it (and the Dodge) for miscellaneous farm duties as well.  The 
Ford got the dirtier jobs, as
well as the infrequent camper hauling.  (When he didn't want to take the 
Airstream to wherever.)

For an intermittent-use woods truck, I think a diesel makes a lot of sense.  
They sit unattended well.
The only downside I see at the moment is that the '74 Chevy's sheet metal was a 
lot heavier, and harder
to damage chucking firewood into it.  I also need to get some grippy offroad 
tires onto the Ford.  Cha-ching!

Most of the firewood I've gathered lately, though, has been with the Dodge V10, 
as it's licensed, because
I've been collecting it from people who need their trees gone but don't burn 
wood.  My scrap trees are being
neglected.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Ford diesel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The only problem with a fullsize as a woods truck is that they're wide. I had a 
Ranger that was nice as a woods truck because it was narrow enough to sneak 
into tight places. It wasn't a good highway truck but was nice offroad for a 
stock truck.

-Curt




On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 07:34:23 PM EDT, Jim Cathey 
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> I would surely love to find one of those in 4wd that isn't rusted out. Would 
> be about the perfect farm truck.


I inherited my dad's 1990 F250.  Std cab, 4wd, manual tranny.  An ideal 
farm/woods truck, IMHO.
I am the second owner, I helped him pick it out in the first place.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Ford diesel

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I would surely love to find one of those in 4wd that isn't rusted out. Would 
> be about the perfect farm truck.

I inherited my dad's 1990 F250.  Std cab, 4wd, manual tranny.  An ideal 
farm/woods truck, IMHO.
I am the second owner, I helped him pick it out in the first place.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Ford diesel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I would surely love to find one of those in 4wd that isn't rusted out. Would be 
about the perfect farm truck.

-Curt




On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 02:08:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





1983 Ford used the International truck engine with 6.9 displacement,
mechanical injection. I have a 1985 F350 with that engine, it only has
435,000 miles on it and still goes to work every time I ask it to.. New
injectors and rebuilt IP about 45,000 miles ago.. along with new glow
plugs.. As far as I can find, the engine has never been apart since it left
the factory.. 4 speed manual, low gear rear end.. not as much grunt as the
later 7.3 power stroke engines.. but it works.

On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:57 AM RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes <
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> Folks
>
> I’m thinking about going to look at a 1983 ford f350 ROLLBACK  with some
> ford diesel engine ….. is that engine something that is likely to work? I
> just want it to use while I change the transmission on my isuzu
>
> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Ford diesel

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I’m thinking about going to look at a 1983 ford f350 ROLLBACK  with some ford 
> diesel engine ….. is that engine something that is likely to work?

Cursory reading seems to show that the older the Ford diesel, the more reliable 
(and puny) it is.
1983 was the first year, so draw your own conclusions.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Ford diesel

[G Mann via Mercedes]

1983 Ford used the International truck engine with 6.9 displacement,
mechanical injection. I have a 1985 F350 with that engine, it only has
435,000 miles on it and still goes to work every time I ask it to.. New
injectors and rebuilt IP about 45,000 miles ago.. along with new glow
plugs.. As far as I can find, the engine has never been apart since it left
the factory.. 4 speed manual, low gear rear end.. not as much grunt as the
later 7.3 power stroke engines.. but it works.

On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:57 AM RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Folks
>
> I’m thinking about going to look at a 1983 ford f350 ROLLBACK  with some
> ford diesel engine ….. is that engine something that is likely to work? I
> just want it to use while I change the transmission on my isuzu
>
> Xx rick
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[MBZ] Ford diesel

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks 

I’m thinking about going to look at a 1983 ford f350 ROLLBACK  with some ford 
diesel engine ….. is that engine something that is likely to work? I just want 
it to use while I change the transmission on my isuzu

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] Ford diesel, etc.

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Square-body, right?  I don't remember if it's gas or diesel.


'74, gas 350, manual, carb, points.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Ford diesel, etc.

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Jim wrote:

> Looks like I'm inheriting a 1990 F250 diesel, 4wd, long bed,
> short cab, stick shift.  7.3 NA IDI engine, IIRC.

Nice.  I'd like one of those, though I'd prefer F350, 4-door, SRW

> (The old Chevy is probably the best ...  If
> only it would start on demand and run well after a long sit.)

Square-body, right?  I don't remember if it's gas or diesel.


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Re: [MBZ] Ford diesel, etc.

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Jim,
Drop in to www.oilburners.net and scroll down to the "6.9 & 7.3 IDI"
section. It's a good group of folks who all own IDI Ford trucks, and who
will have answers to any tech details you may have keeping the truck
running for the next 5 decades. ;))

Hope this helps, and congrats on your "new Ford truck"..Once you get in the
groove with IDI think, it will serve you long and well.

Grant 

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 10:10 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks like I'm inheriting a 1990 F250 diesel, 4wd, long bed, short cab,
> stick shift.  7.3 NA IDI engine, IIRC.  Decent interior.  In the horse
> trading I think the "Mazcedes" will end up with my brother.  This, mostly,
> to keep me from getting killed bringing home _another_ vehicle.  This will
> end up being the woods truck, it'll carry vastly more weight than the
> Mazda, and is probably no less maneuverable.  (The old Chevy is probably
> the best of the bunch at that.  If only it would start on demand and run
> well after a long sit.)
>
> I also seem to be ending up with a '85 K100RT BMW motorcycle.
>
> -- Jim
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[MBZ] Ford diesel, etc.

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Looks like I'm inheriting a 1990 F250 diesel, 4wd, long bed, short cab,
stick shift.  7.3 NA IDI engine, IIRC.  Decent interior.  In the horse
trading I think the "Mazcedes" will end up with my brother.  This, mostly,
to keep me from getting killed bringing home _another_ vehicle.  This will
end up being the woods truck, it'll carry vastly more weight than the
Mazda, and is probably no less maneuverable.  (The old Chevy is probably
the best of the bunch at that.  If only it would start on demand and run
well after a long sit.)

I also seem to be ending up with a '85 K100RT BMW motorcycle.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Or corroded head if aluminum.  Although not likely given age of truck.

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, WILTON  wrote:

From: WILTON 
Subject: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil
To: "mercedes list" 
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:58 PM

'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup ('bout 
an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing blue/gray smoke.  I 
asked him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate milk, etc., and has he had to 
add water recently.  "Yes, added water coupla days before."  At lunch today, he 
said, "Yep, it has "chocolate milk" for oil and is blowing oil out tailpipe.  
Possible blown head gasket or even cracked head and/or block?

Wilton 
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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

[Kevin]

On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 06:09:09PM -0700, Jim Cathey wrote:
> >'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup 
> >('bout an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing 
> >blue/gray smoke.  I asked him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate 
> >milk, etc., and has he had to add water recently.  "Yes, added water 
> >coupla days before."  At lunch today, he said, "Yep, it has "chocolate 
> >milk" for oil and is blowing oil out tailpipe.  Possible blown head 
> >gasket or even cracked head and/or block?
> 
> Sure sounds like it.  Fords also have been prone to cavitation
> eating through the engine block if you didn't keep the official
> coolant additive in them, but that's not an oil/water mixing
> problem so far as I know.  The truck's a bit young for that,
> too, especially since it may well still be on its factory
> coolant load.

This problem really was only a problem with the indirect injected trucks,
as the cylinder pressures were much higher. This is also a problem with 
bigger OTR trucks, but those owners never complain, they just follow the
maintenance schedules. You could get this problem out of the IDI chevies
too, but it was incredibly uncommon.

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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

[Jim Cathey]

'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup 
('bout an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing 
blue/gray smoke.  I asked him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate 
milk, etc., and has he had to add water recently.  "Yes, added water 
coupla days before."  At lunch today, he said, "Yep, it has "chocolate 
milk" for oil and is blowing oil out tailpipe.  Possible blown head 
gasket or even cracked head and/or block?


Sure sounds like it.  Fords also have been prone to cavitation
eating through the engine block if you didn't keep the official
coolant additive in them, but that's not an oil/water mixing
problem so far as I know.  The truck's a bit young for that,
too, especially since it may well still be on its factory
coolant load.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" oil

[Kevin]

Those do that. Somewhat of a known problem. Hope the warranty is still valid
and hope he hasn't done any mods to it to warm it up, they'll void him
faster than he'll be able to get it driven down there.

On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 07:48:05PM -0400, WILTON wrote:
> It's an '06 with 6 L engine.

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[MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" oil

[WILTON]

It's an '06 with 6 L engine.

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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
Likely a POS engine, probably the smaller one, but I don't know - yet. 
Whichever one, I thought it was plenty big when he got it.   ;<



IIRC, changeover from 7.3 IDI to 7.3 Powerstroke was mid year 1994,
and changover from 7.3 Powerstroke to 6.0 was mid year 2003.
Haven't really paid attention to later developments.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

[WILTON]

Likely a POS engine, probably the smaller one, but I don't know - yet. 
Whichever one, I thought it was plenty big when he got it.   ;<


Wilton

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Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil



Which engine? Rare on 7.3, not unusual on 6.0


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Peter Arnold

Windsor, CT

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "mercedes list" 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 1:58:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup 
('bout an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing blue/gray 
smoke. I asked him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate milk, etc., and 
has he had to add water recently. "Yes, added water coupla days before." 
At lunch today, he said, "Yep, it has "chocolate milk" for oil and is 
blowing oil out tailpipe. Possible blown head gasket or even cracked head 
and/or block?


Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

[Kevin]

An 07 would probably be the twin turbo 6.4, which had enough warranty problems
that Ford decided to start making its own engines again.

On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 06:01:15PM +, pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
> Which engine? Rare on 7.3, not unusual on 6.0 

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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

[pm7088]

Which engine? Rare on 7.3, not unusual on 6.0 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

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From: "WILTON"  
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Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 1:58:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil 

'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup ('bout 
an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing blue/gray smoke. I asked 
him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate milk, etc., and has he had to add 
water recently. "Yes, added water coupla days before." At lunch today, he said, 
"Yep, it has "chocolate milk" for oil and is blowing oil out tailpipe. Possible 
blown head gasket or even cracked head and/or block? 

Wilton 
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[MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

[WILTON]

'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup ('bout 
an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing blue/gray smoke.  I 
asked him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate milk, etc., and has he had to 
add water recently.  "Yes, added water coupla days before."  At lunch today, he 
said, "Yep, it has "chocolate milk" for oil and is blowing oil out tailpipe.  
Possible blown head gasket or even cracked head and/or block?

Wilton 
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