Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
Well, now that the holiday guests are gone, I finally got to look at this - number 1 glow plug had 97k ohms resistance. I had previously ordered new ones from Rusty, so replaced it, and now the car is acting normally again. Starts immediately, and runs smooth as silk at idle, right away. On Dec 19, 2007 5:49 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: The glow light has started acting strange in the '90 300D 2.5. It's quite possible that you have one open circuit glow plug. The glow relay would then be correct in displaying the bad plug signals, and the car would run crappy until the bad plug is heated by combustion. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
Certainly Craig, The WSM section 15-4000 says to test the wires by pulling the connector from the relay and measure each wires resistance to ground (to the engine block)- and if resistance is measured there is an interruption of the respective glow plug or of the lead or of the connection. If you need 15-4000 let me know -- Merry Christmas - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5 On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:25:38 -0600 Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/20/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I also confirmed the wiring between amp and GPs was good using the WSM method. Sorry to ask a dumb question, but what is the WSM method? Yes, indeed, what is the WSM method? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
So WSM is the W series Service Manual? On Dec 23, 2007 12:40 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly Craig, The WSM section 15-4000 says to test the wires by pulling the connector from the relay and measure each wires resistance to ground (to the engine block)- and if resistance is measured there is an interruption of the respective glow plug or of the lead or of the connection. If you need 15-4000 let me know -- Merry Christmas - BTW, I also confirmed the wiring between amp and GPs was good using the WSM method. Sorry to ask a dumb question, but what is the WSM method? Yes, indeed, what is the WSM method? Craig -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
WorkShopManual WSM/ Would you like a copy of sec 15-4000? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5 So WSM is the W series Service Manual? On Dec 23, 2007 12:40 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly Craig, The WSM section 15-4000 says to test the wires by pulling the connector from the relay and measure each wires resistance to ground (to the engine block)- and if resistance is measured there is an interruption of the respective glow plug or of the lead or of the connection. If you need 15-4000 let me know -- Merry Christmas - BTW, I also confirmed the wiring between amp and GPs was good using the WSM method. Sorry to ask a dumb question, but what is the WSM method? Yes, indeed, what is the WSM method? Craig -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:22:56 -0500 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WorkShopManual WSM/ Would you like a copy of sec 15-4000? No, thanks. We just wondered what the three-letter acronym meant. I knew it couldn't mean Wiget Sliding Mechanism Wonderfully Smart Machine Wirkung Strasse Markt Wyoming Stadium Manager Western Sierra Meteorite Wimped-out Serial Metrology and things like that. I just couldn't think of Work Shop Manual. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
I would certainly like a copy of it as I am having the same challenge on one of mine Dave H... -- From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5 On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:22:56 -0500 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WorkShopManual WSM/ Would you like a copy of sec 15-4000? No, thanks. We just wondered what the three-letter acronym meant. I knew it couldn't mean Wiget Sliding Mechanism Wonderfully Smart Machine Wirkung Strasse Markt Wyoming Stadium Manager Western Sierra Meteorite Wimped-out Serial Metrology and things like that. I just couldn't think of Work Shop Manual. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:25:38 -0600 Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/20/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I also confirmed the wiring between amp and GPs was good using the WSM method. Sorry to ask a dumb question, but what is the WSM method? Yes, indeed, what is the WSM method? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
OK - I'm calling it a relay, and you're calling it an amp - that's what was confusing me. On Dec 20, 2007 7:30 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, the GP amp that's mounted on the left front inner fender near the ABS equipment. New one lasted about 2 weeks. The replacement has been going strong for 2+ years. both came from MB. I checked my GP first - using the battery charger method - attaching battery charger to each GP and counting the time until the tip was cherry red. 12-15 sec was my target. They all checked out leaving the Amp as the only possiblility. BTW, I also confirmed the wiring between amp and GPs was good using the WSM method. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
Sorry to ask a dumb question, but what is the WSM method? On 12/20/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, the GP amp that's mounted on the left front inner fender near the ABS equipment. New one lasted about 2 weeks. The replacement has been going strong for 2+ years. both came from MB. I checked my GP first - using the battery charger method - attaching battery charger to each GP and counting the time until the tip was cherry red. 12-15 sec was my target. They all checked out leaving the Amp as the only possiblility. BTW, I also confirmed the wiring between amp and GPs was good using the WSM method. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5 Glow plug amp? Is this the relay, or something else? It has worked fine for six or so months since I last worked on it -- but that doesn't mean that one of the recently new glow plugs isn't burnt out, or that the relay or amp (?) didn't go South --- On Dec 19, 2007 9:02 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Indicator light (91 300D 2,5) did not operate correctly either after replacing all of the GPs and the GP Amp - turned out the Amp I got from MB was bad -- they gave me a new one with no problem - then it worked correctly. One or the other in your system has a problem -either 1 or more GPs are not operating properly or the Amp is not working properly. Good luck - at least the car starts! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 2:13 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Richard 1987 300D 193k with miles and miles to go!!! Midwest City, Oklahoma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
OK Don wrote: The glow light has started acting strange in the '90 300D 2.5. It's quite possible that you have one open circuit glow plug. The glow relay would then be correct in displaying the bad plug signals, and the car would run crappy until the bad plug is heated by combustion. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
Does your ABS light also come on at the same time? If so, your overvoltage relay is going out, or has a loose connection. When it starts working again, it will start idling normal and the glow light will come back on. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5 The glow light has started acting strange in the '90 300D 2.5. It doesn't light when you turn the key to the glowing position (I did verify that the plugs get electricity in this position), the car starts right up, idles faster and rougher than usual, then about 30 seconds later, while driving down the street, the glow light comes on, and stays on for 30 seconds to a minute (haven't timed it - seems forever), then eventually goes off. At the next stop, the car idles normally. I assume the glow light issue is the glow plug relay, but what about the idle - I'm guessing the electronic idle controller is wonky? Are the two electrically related somehow? The glow plugs and the relay fuse were replaced last Spring. Any guesses, or informed opinions? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
My Indicator light (91 300D 2,5) did not operate correctly either after replacing all of the GPs and the GP Amp - turned out the Amp I got from MB was bad -- they gave me a new one with no problem - then it worked correctly. One or the other in your system has a problem -either 1 or more GPs are not operating properly or the Amp is not working properly. Good luck - at least the car starts! Merry Christmas - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5 The glow light has started acting strange in the '90 300D 2.5. It doesn't light when you turn the key to the glowing position (I did verify that the plugs get electricity in this position), the car starts right up, idles faster and rougher than usual, then about 30 seconds later, while driving down the street, the glow light comes on, and stays on for 30 seconds to a minute (haven't timed it - seems forever), then eventually goes off. At the next stop, the car idles normally. I assume the glow light issue is the glow plug relay, but what about the idle - I'm guessing the electronic idle controller is wonky? Are the two electrically related somehow? The glow plugs and the relay fuse were replaced last Spring. Any guesses, or informed opinions? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 12:00 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
Nope - the ABS light works normally - that is, it's off once the car starts. On Dec 19, 2007 8:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does your ABS light also come on at the same time? If so, your overvoltage relay is going out, or has a loose connection. When it starts working again, it will start idling normal and the glow light will come back on. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
Glow plug amp? Is this the relay, or something else? It has worked fine for six or so months since I last worked on it -- but that doesn't mean that one of the recently new glow plugs isn't burnt out, or that the relay or amp (?) didn't go South --- On Dec 19, 2007 9:02 AM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Indicator light (91 300D 2,5) did not operate correctly either after replacing all of the GPs and the GP Amp - turned out the Amp I got from MB was bad -- they gave me a new one with no problem - then it worked correctly. One or the other in your system has a problem -either 1 or more GPs are not operating properly or the Amp is not working properly. Good luck - at least the car starts! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
well, thats not it then OK Don wrote: Nope - the ABS light works normally - that is, it's off once the car starts. On Dec 19, 2007 8:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does your ABS light also come on at the same time? If so, your overvoltage relay is going out, or has a loose connection. When it starts working again, it will start idling normal and the glow light will come back on. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Glow light - '90 300D 2.5
The glow light has started acting strange in the '90 300D 2.5. It doesn't light when you turn the key to the glowing position (I did verify that the plugs get electricity in this position), the car starts right up, idles faster and rougher than usual, then about 30 seconds later, while driving down the street, the glow light comes on, and stays on for 30 seconds to a minute (haven't timed it - seems forever), then eventually goes off. At the next stop, the car idles normally. I assume the glow light issue is the glow plug relay, but what about the idle - I'm guessing the electronic idle controller is wonky? Are the two electrically related somehow? The glow plugs and the relay fuse were replaced last Spring. Any guesses, or informed opinions? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
