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Well, take a look at the original ad, which has more pictures. Perhaps this was a special order option. My father used to own a Pontoon which had the same large canvass sunroof. I'll try to attach a picture from the original ad. http://victoria.en.craigslist.ca/cto/2027409438.html -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad Nope! 250S had the steel sunroof. I drove a 67 250S and a 68 250 SE. I believe all sunroofs after 1963 or there abouts were steel. I am pretty sure 61 VW had the canvas type. I don't remember seeing an MB with a sunroof in 61 or 62. I think any sunroof would have been steel in the 111/112 chassis (starting in 1959) and in the 600. There were a few second generation 110 (after 1965) that had steel sunroofs in NA. (I can't say about europe) I believe what you are seeing is a smoke color plastic sunroof deflector. The car in the ad appears to have the huge Webasto canvas sunroof; I used to own a '63 Beetle with similar huge sunroof, and I could stand through the sunroof and drive that car. Left foot on gas peddle, right foot in passenger foot well, left hand on steering wheel, and wave to the adoring crowds as I motored by... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary - on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mercedes_004.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 104645 bytes Desc: Mercedes_004.jpg URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101029/80b35da4/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Early designs for driving with the wind in your face were the 1920s model cars which had windshields that pivoted at the top and could be swung out from the bottom and locked at different angles. The main problem was insects. A bumblebee hitting you in the eye could do real damage and a swarm of honey bees could wreck a families Sunday trip to a picnic area. The triangular windows were a great improvement which worked quite well. Gerry From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Front windows in cars had deflectors, little triangular windows, at the front corners that could be turned with the trailing edges outward to deflect turbulence away from the window; 'could also be turned more than ninety degrees outward and toward the front to act as scoops to direct air directly onto the driver and/or passenger for quicker cooling, but they were used most of the time in deflector position for more comfortable, normal cruising. Wilton Curt Raymond wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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it looks weird with no rocker mouldings to me Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad Well, take a look at the original ad, which has more pictures. Perhaps this was a special order option. My father used to own a Pontoon which had the same large canvass sunroof. I'll try to attach a picture from the original ad. http://victoria.en.craigslist.ca/cto/2027409438.html -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad Nope! 250S had the steel sunroof. I drove a 67 250S and a 68 250 SE. I believe all sunroofs after 1963 or there abouts were steel. I am pretty sure 61 VW had the canvas type. I don't remember seeing an MB with a sunroof in 61 or 62. I think any sunroof would have been steel in the 111/112 chassis (starting in 1959) and in the 600. There were a few second generation 110 (after 1965) that had steel sunroofs in NA. (I can't say about europe) I believe what you are seeing is a smoke color plastic sunroof deflector. The car in the ad appears to have the huge Webasto canvas sunroof; I used to own a '63 Beetle with similar huge sunroof, and I could stand through the sunroof and drive that car. Left foot on gas peddle, right foot in passenger foot well, left hand on steering wheel, and wave to the adoring crowds as I motored by... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary - on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mercedes_004.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 104645 bytes Desc: Mercedes_004.jpg URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101029/80b35da4/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Well, take a look at the original ad, which has more pictures. I vote canvas. http://samroland.com/mercedes/Mercedes_001.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep, thats canvas. Must have still been available for a few years for the rest of the world. MBNA never brought any into the USA AFaIK. Well, take a look at the original ad, which has more pictures. Perhaps this was a special order option. My father used to own a Pontoon which had the same large canvass sunroof. I'll try to attach a picture from the original ad. http://victoria.en.craigslist.ca/cto/2027409438.html -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad Nope! 250S had the steel sunroof. I drove a 67 250S and a 68 250 SE. I believe all sunroofs after 1963 or there abouts were steel. I am pretty sure 61 VW had the canvas type. I don't remember seeing an MB with a sunroof in 61 or 62. I think any sunroof would have been steel in the 111/112 chassis (starting in 1959) and in the 600. There were a few second generation 110 (after 1965) that had steel sunroofs in NA. (I can't say about europe) I believe what you are seeing is a smoke color plastic sunroof deflector. The car in the ad appears to have the huge Webasto canvas sunroof; I used to own a '63 Beetle with similar huge sunroof, and I could stand through the sunroof and drive that car. Left foot on gas peddle, right foot in passenger foot well, left hand on steering wheel, and wave to the adoring crowds as I motored by... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary - on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mercedes_004.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 104645 bytes Desc: Mercedes_004.jpg URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20101029/80b35da4/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some low life broke into my 68 Chevy pickup through the vent windows by using something like an ice pick to reach in and turn the latching handle. You could see the little pick marks in the chrome. He then stole the gas pedal. Wierd as I got a new one from the dealer for about $14. Some of the fancier vehicles had either crank out vent windows or push button lock type things on the vent handles as I recall from my youth but my truck did not. As to floor vents, I can recall my mother being horrified when my father opened them and the accumulated debris on the floor was then blown up onto her. Randy On 28/10/2010 9:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Early 115 models might have had vent windows but my 76 does not. Wing windows is one of the things I really like about the Frankenheap, an early 115. They did dump them somewhere in production. Didn't think any 123's ever got wings. Too bad, really. My Falcon and my Chevy pickup both have no AC, wing windows, and floor vents. Takes a pretty hot day to do you in with good venting like that, and a road that'll let you drive at speed. The 115 isn't bad, but it has no floor vents. Those are the real cooling weapon. The one sheared part I've seen was the pot-metal flange that holds the steel frame for the window glass. Had it also been steel, no security problem at all. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or a bird. I have had 2 or 3 birds hit the windshield of my truck this past summer. Actually, one hit the radio antenna and then the windshield and then went over the roof. Not sure if it survived but there were a few feathers floating so not a good sign for the bird. Randy On 29/10/2010 5:22 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: Early designs for driving with the wind in your face were the 1920s model cars which had windshields that pivoted at the top and could be swung out from the bottom and locked at different angles. The main problem was insects. A bumblebee hitting you in the eye could do real damage and a swarm of honey bees could wreck a families Sunday trip to a picnic area. The triangular windows were a great improvement which worked quite well. Gerry From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Front windows in cars had deflectors, little triangular windows, at the front corners that could be turned with the trailing edges outward to deflect turbulence away from the window; 'could also be turned more than ninety degrees outward and toward the front to act as scoops to direct air directly onto the driver and/or passenger for quicker cooling, but they were used most of the time in deflector position for more comfortable, normal cruising. Wilton Curt Raymond wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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R A Bennell wrote: Or a bird. I have had 2 or 3 birds hit the windshield of my truck this past summer. Actually, one hit the radio antenna and then the windshield and then went over the roof. Not sure if it survived but there were a few feathers floating so not a good sign for the bird. I got t-boned by a duck once. Tried to fly through my left rear side window. Made quite a noise, right behind my head. Good thing the windows were up. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Growing up in my family the wing vents were where the Pall Mall smoke exited the car year round. Back in 1990, I parked my '63 Falcon at the van stop (where we all climbed into a company provided van for the ride to the old nuke plant) along with my work associates' Buick Grand National, and two '89 Chevy PUs. We came home the next morning and all the cars were stolen except my Falcon. It had its wing vent popped out and peeled down like a banana peel so they could reach in, open the door, and steal the spare change from my ashtray. It was difficult to find someone who wanted to part with a good wing vent. I say bring back floor vents and wing vents. Bob R On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:31 AM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Some low life broke into my 68 Chevy pickup through the vent windows by using something like an ice pick to reach in and turn the latching handle. You could see the little pick marks in the chrome. He then stole the gas pedal. Wierd as I got a new one from the dealer for about $14. Some of the fancier vehicles had either crank out vent windows or push button lock type things on the vent handles as I recall from my youth but my truck did not. As to floor vents, I can recall my mother being horrified when my father opened them and the accumulated debris on the floor was then blown up onto her. Randy On 28/10/2010 9:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Early 115 models might have had vent windows but my 76 does not. Wing windows is one of the things I really like about the Frankenheap, an early 115. They did dump them somewhere in production. Didn't think any 123's ever got wings. Too bad, really. My Falcon and my Chevy pickup both have no AC, wing windows, and floor vents. Takes a pretty hot day to do you in with good venting like that, and a road that'll let you drive at speed. The 115 isn't bad, but it has no floor vents. Those are the real cooling weapon. The one sheared part I've seen was the pot-metal flange that holds the steel frame for the window glass. Had it also been steel, no security problem at all. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've seen the latch on them forced around; hence the implementation of the push-pin lock that found it's way into wing vents like those on the 91' XJ (jeep) that I once had. -j -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Oct 28, 2010, at 22:15, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Early 115 models might have had vent windows but my 76 does not. Wing windows is one of the things I really like about the Frankenheap, an early 115. They did dump them somewhere in production. Didn't think any 123's ever got wings. Too bad, really. My Falcon and my Chevy pickup both have no AC, wing windows, and floor vents. Takes a pretty hot day to do you in with good venting like that, and a road that'll let you drive at speed. The 115 isn't bad, but it has no floor vents. Those are the real cooling weapon. The one sheared part I've seen was the pot-metal flange that holds the steel frame for the window glass. Had it also been steel, no security problem at all. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My '51 VW had notches in front edge of the roll down windows, so if you just rolled it down a little, the notches at the front edge were the only opening. It also had push out vents behind the front fender that you opened from inside - too high to be floor vents, but too low to be knee vents. They did scoop in a fair amount of air to 70mph however. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:31 AM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Some low life broke into my 68 Chevy pickup through the vent windows by using something like an ice pick to reach in and turn the latching handle. You could see the little pick marks in the chrome. He then stole the gas pedal. Wierd as I got a new one from the dealer for about $14. Some of the fancier vehicles had either crank out vent windows or push button lock type things on the vent handles as I recall from my youth but my truck did not. As to floor vents, I can recall my mother being horrified when my father opened them and the accumulated debris on the floor was then blown up onto her. Randy -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As to floor vents, I can recall my mother being horrified when my father opened them and the accumulated debris on the floor was then blown up onto her. Yeah, you gotta watch that the first time you open them in season. When I drove the Falcon home from school after Mt. St. Helens went off I was well along the freeway when I opened up the floor vent. Made it a few miles before the cake of ash broke loose and vaporized on its way in to me. What a mess! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks for sharing Curt, only problem is the price of used MB's just went up... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:25 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on -modern-existence -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I generally find that it is not enjoyable to open only the driver's window. I have to open the rear passenger window a bit too in order to reduce the turbulence and create more of a flow. That happens on my 115 300D so it is not just an issue with new aerodymanic vehicles. Randy On 28/10/2010 1:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Front windows in cars had deflectors, little triangular windows, at the front corners that could be turned with the trailing edges outward to deflect turbulence away from the window; 'could also be turned more than ninety degrees outward and toward the front to act as scoops to direct air directly onto the driver and/or passenger for quicker cooling, but they were used most of the time in deflector position for more comfortable, normal cruising. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The car in the ad appears to have the huge Webasto canvas sunroof; I used to own a '63 Beetle with similar huge sunroof, and I could stand through the sunroof and drive that car. Left foot on gas peddle, right foot in passenger foot well, left hand on steering wheel, and wave to the adoring crowds as I motored by... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary- on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One of the wonderful things about the 110/111 chassis is how wonderfully the 2-55 air conditioning system works. I drove 500- 1000 miles regularly with the windows rolled down and my hearing is still largely intact, at least I believe it is unharmed by 2-55 A/C. The wings on these cars and the 108 and 123, allow great ventilation without noise. Does the 116 have wings? I think so. Many times in cooler weather I put the heater on with the wing or window open. The 123 is a nice compromise, with wings, and also a functioning A/c, even if the compressor is a GM type. In the 123, 124 and 126, putting the RR window down is the most pleasant way to drive I have found when the temps allow. On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: Many times in cooler weather I put the heater on with the wing or window open. The 123 is a nice compromise, with wings, and also a functioning A/c, even if the compressor is a GM type. Unfortunately, the 123 doesn't have wings. Personal samples include numerous models between '78 and '85. Are you thinking of the 115? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Early 115 models might have had vent windows but my 76 does not. Randy On 28/10/2010 2:15 PM, Fmiser wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Many times in cooler weather I put the heater on with the wing or window open. The 123 is a nice compromise, with wings, and also a functioning A/c, even if the compressor is a GM type. Unfortunately, the 123 doesn't have wings. Personal samples include numerous models between '78 and '85. Are you thinking of the 115? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nope! 250S had the steel sunroof. I drove a 67 250S and a 68 250 SE. I believe all sunroofs after 1963 or there abouts were steel. I am pretty sure 61 VW had the canvas type. I don't remember seeing an MB with a sunroof in 61 or 62. I think any sunroof would have been steel in the 111/112 chassis (starting in 1959) and in the 600. There were a few second generation 110 (after 1965) that had steel sunroofs in NA. (I can't say about europe) I believe what you are seeing is a smoke color plastic sunroof deflector. The car in the ad appears to have the huge Webasto canvas sunroof; I used to own a '63 Beetle with similar huge sunroof, and I could stand through the sunroof and drive that car. Left foot on gas peddle, right foot in passenger foot well, left hand on steering wheel, and wave to the adoring crowds as I motored by... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary- on-modern-existence The thing about that ad that really strikes a chord with me is the reference to driving with the wind in your face. It seems to me that on any car newer than about 1990, you can't roll down the windows at speed and get just a comfortable breeze. On one of our daily drivers, a 2002 Camry, opening the windows at anything over 15 or 20 mph creates both turbulence sufficient to throw papers around the inside of the car, and a resonance inside the cabin that I find physically painful. Someone here who knows about the fluid dynamics of surfaces (laminar flow?) can probably speak with more authority, but I think I've read that a car can be designed so that the air passes over its surface smoothly with the windows closed or with the windows open, but not both, and the manufacturers now choose the former, figuring that all new cars come standard with A/C and you'll always be using that, never opning a window when actually in motion. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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little triangular windows, I have these on my 95 Toyota pickup, nice. Harry 86 300 SDL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:22:50 -0500 R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Early 115 models might have had vent windows but my 76 does not. Early 115 models did have vent windows, but they were a security problem: give them a good push and you'll shear the bolt fastening the window to its rotation shaft. Easy to get to the front inside door handle that way. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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my '70 220D had those wing windows. I really missed them in the '76 300D (AC didn't work). On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:49 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Front windows in cars had deflectors, little triangular windows, at the front corners that could be turned with the trailing edges outward to deflect turbulence away from the window; 'could also be turned more than ninety degrees outward and toward the front to act as scoops to direct air directly onto the driver and/or passenger for quicker cooling, but they were used most of the time in deflector position for more comfortable, normal cruising. Wilton -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Early 115 models might have had vent windows but my 76 does not. Wing windows is one of the things I really like about the Frankenheap, an early 115. They did dump them somewhere in production. Didn't think any 123's ever got wings. Too bad, really. My Falcon and my Chevy pickup both have no AC, wing windows, and floor vents. Takes a pretty hot day to do you in with good venting like that, and a road that'll let you drive at speed. The 115 isn't bad, but it has no floor vents. Those are the real cooling weapon. The one sheared part I've seen was the pot-metal flange that holds the steel frame for the window glass. Had it also been steel, no security problem at all. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is awesomesauce written all over. Amen brother. The only thing he forgot to talk about was the lack of the black box. Not in my car no thanks, k thanks. -Rolf On 10/27/2010 05:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is a good one. Someone like that I'd consider slipping him an extra ten, just because. :) Walt On Oct 27, 2010 5:34 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: That is awesomesauce written all over. Amen brother. The only thing he forgot to talk about was the lack of the black box. Not in my car no thanks, k thanks. -Rolf On 10/27/2010 05:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence Isn't that car a little old for bundts? I wonder if the winter wheels have color matched hub caps. Around here if it still has wheel arches and runs, it's worth $900. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, that IS a great ad! I also think the bundts are from a 115 or 116 -- On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5674537/this-craigslist-ad-is-actually-commentary-on-modern-existence Isn't that car a little old for bundts? I wonder if the winter wheels have color matched hub caps. Around here if it still has wheel arches and runs, it's worth $900. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
