Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
Curt Raymond wrote:
I think that because of the reliability of the Toyotas and Hondas people
will tend to skimp on maintenance. A friend of mine has a '93 Camry he
bought from [SNIP]
It's not just the Toyotas and Hondas, - when I owned a MB parts
accessories mail order business I heard all kinds of things -- people would
say, It's an $80,000 automobile - I should *never* have to check or add
oil!! Unfortunately he was serious. Didn't bother to ask him about the
brake fluid of ATF changes - all he wanted was Chrome wheels. ;-\
And I would *hate* to buy a car owned by a jerk like that!
Luckily, the 91 300D I just bought looks more more like it was maintained
by a MB dealer - the hoses in the engine compartment and their hose clamps
all look like OEM. And they all look fresh - maybe they were changed as
part of PM or maybe they've just survived well. ;-) I smile every time I
look at her.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just had another incident of japanese *quality*.
A guy who works with my wife has a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid. The thing
only has 134,000 miles on it, all easy highway miles and has been
properly maintained. 2 weeks ago without warning it threw a rod through
the side of the block, no low oil light or anything, just boom. They
brag about an 8 year warranty on the batteries, but only about 30k miles
on the engine. So the guy has a dead honda with two years left on the
note. It's going to cost him well over $3000 to have a USED engine put
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
Get a load of the luck that this poor sap has had with Honda *quality* http://cgi.ebay.ca/2001-Unsafe-Honda-Insight-Own-a-peice-of-History_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31839QQitemZ4613284728QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW At least if the winning bidder actually pays for the thing, hell recoup his financial losses. --Robert Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: I just had another incident of japanese *quality*. A guy who works with my wife has a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid. The thing only has 134,000 miles on it, all easy highway miles and has been properly maintained. 2 weeks ago without warning it threw a rod through the side of the block, no low oil light or anything, just boom. They brag about an 8 year warranty on the batteries, but only about 30k miles on the engine. So the guy has a dead honda with two years left on the note. It's going to cost him well over $3000 to have a USED engine put in the thing ( gee, wonder if it'll last as long as the last one ) And to top it off, that hybrid NEVER got the kind of fuel milage that they bragged about, in fact it got about the same or less than most of these MB diesels. To think he could have been commuting 140 miles a day in comfort instead of getting his bones rattled for the same fuel milage. --Robert Curt Raymond wrote: I think that because of the reliability of the Toyotas and Hondas people will tend to skimp on maintenance. A friend of mine has a '93 Camry he bought from his inlaws. At one point I asked how often he changed the oil. Oh whenever I think of it... It wasn't long after that he put a new engine in because of citical bearing failure. Now with something like 200k on the ticker he wasn't too broken up about it. $3000 later had a new 100,000 mile engine in which he's still driving (4 years later) after something like another 100,000 miles but now he uses synthetic oil changed at 8k. Remember the Honda comercial where they welded the hood shut? I had a teacher in highschool that believed it. Never checked the oil, added any oil or anything. That engine lasted like 20kmi... So the engine was replaced, then she checked the oil and just kept adding as it went down. In something like 30k she was back at the shop for engine #3... -Curt Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:29:53 -0600 From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm beginning to think that all the hype on Toyotas and Hondas is just a byproduct of sheer numbers. I see the things with all kinds of problems all the time ( and I politely tell the owners who to take them to because I refuse to work on the things ) . I think the reason that we hear so much hype about them is because with so stinking many of the things being built all the time, the law of avarages is going to produce a seemingly high number of exceedingly positive stories, but from what I see, they are no better, and possibly worse than many other makes. I honestly see more problems with toyotas than fords or GMs these days. My mother bought a Toyota camery last year ( after passing on a 2 year old MB that was previously owned by a friends son who was an MB mechanic and had all the bugs out of the thing for about the same money ) and even with a supposed warrenty she's had to put out a bundle in uncovered repair expenses on the thing. Toyota and honda owners generally get real defensive about their cars, but if you dig deep enough you find that most are spending as much or in many cases way more to keep the things on the road. -Road - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: It's not just the Toyotas and Hondas, - when I owned a MB parts accessories mail order business I heard all kinds of things -- people would say, It's an $80,000 automobile - I should *never* have to check or add oil!! Unfortunately he was serious. Didn't bother to ask him about the brake fluid of ATF changes - all he wanted was Chrome wheels. ;-\ Speaking of that, I check my oil regularly, and finally had to add a quart to the '99 E300TD, 10.5K mi into my stewardship. (It is a FSS car, bought from a stealership, and the FSS counter was at 9100 when I bought it. The counter now sits at 2100, 3.5 mos and 10.5K mi later) I don't know if its because the 606 is a tighter engine or if it is because it is highway mileage, but I'm impressed :) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
John, not to alarm you but there has been some real problems with MB and the early FSS (started in 98) system and not using Mobil 1. Sludging and engine damage resulted from these extended oil change intervals. MB lost a lawsuit and now have extended the warranties and picked up engine repairs for these models. If it were my MB, I would be sure it has Mobil 1 in the crankcase and change it out right now. Now, what were we saying about Honda and Toyota's? On 2/26/06, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: It's not just the Toyotas and Hondas, - when I owned a MB parts accessories mail order business I heard all kinds of things -- people would say, It's an $80,000 automobile - I should *never* have to check or add oil!! Unfortunately he was serious. Didn't bother to ask him about the brake fluid of ATF changes - all he wanted was Chrome wheels. ;-\ Speaking of that, I check my oil regularly, and finally had to add a quart to the '99 E300TD, 10.5K mi into my stewardship. (It is a FSS car, bought from a stealership, and the FSS counter was at 9100 when I bought it. The counter now sits at 2100, 3.5 mos and 10.5K mi later) I don't know if its because the 606 is a tighter engine or if it is because it is highway mileage, but I'm impressed :) -j. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K Stardust 1985 380SL 145K Blue Belle 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Desert Rat wrote: If it were my MB, I would be sure it has Mobil 1 in the crankcase and change it out right now. It does have M1 in the crankcase -j.
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
Desert Rat copied: Curt Raymond wrote: It's not just the Toyotas and
Hondas, - when I owned a MB parts accessories mail order business I heard
all kinds of things -- people would
say, It's an $80,000 automobile
Not a big deal, but it wasn't Curt that wrote that - it was me -- I don;t
really care - but Mr. Raymond might not like being tagged with something I
said. ;-)
You;re absolutley right about the MB FSS - many were wary of it when was
introduced and some early owners reported FSS telling them the *1st* oil
change could take place at 14,368 miles (that's from memory) and personally,
if I had bought a new car I'd change the oil at 5000 or less. Oil Analysis
has shown contamination in new vehicles - I believe from the assembly and
fabrication of the engines. We've tested MBs, Ferrari's Porsches and they
all showed higher than normal levels when tested at 2000-5500 miles.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
John,
not to alarm you but there has been some real problems with MB and the
early FSS (started in 98) system and not using Mobil 1. Sludging and
engine damage resulted from these extended oil change intervals.
MB lost a lawsuit and now have extended the warranties and picked up
engine repairs for these models.
If it were my MB, I would be sure it has Mobil 1 in the crankcase and
change it out right now.
Now, what were we saying about Honda and Toyota's?
On 2/26/06, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curt Raymond wrote:
It's not just the Toyotas and Hondas, - when I owned a MB parts
accessories mail order business I heard all kinds of things -- people
would
say, It's an $80,000 automobile - I should *never* have to check or
add
oil!! Unfortunately he was serious. Didn't bother to ask him about
the
brake fluid of ATF changes - all he wanted was Chrome wheels. ;-\
Speaking of that, I check my oil regularly, and finally had to add a
quart
to the '99 E300TD, 10.5K mi into my stewardship. (It is a FSS car, bought
from a stealership, and the FSS counter was at 9100 when I bought it. The
counter now sits at 2100, 3.5 mos and 10.5K mi later) I don't know if its
because the 606 is a tighter engine or if it is because it is highway
mileage, but I'm impressed :)
-j.
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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
Sunil asked:what's an FSS car, and what's an FSS counter
FSS stands for Flexible Service System and the FSS counter is the time
mileage counter that keeps tracks of when a service is due.
The most controversial use of FSS was in predicting when an oil change was
needed - I believe by using sensors in the engine to measure *something* and
predict when a oil change would be needed. FSS first appeared in 1995 IIRC
and raised a lot of eyebrows when it predicted initial oil changes in the
1-17000 miles range - depending on what the owners were reporting.
At least that's my memory of the discussions we had on a list similar to
this one 10 years ago. Marshall was there and probably remembers better
than I.
HTH's
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:34 AM
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First, what's an FSS car, and what's an FSS counter?
Second, my parents bought a 1997 Civic brand-new, and now with 115Kmi the
only thing I've paid to replace is an idler pulley ($105). Everything
else
has been maintenance items or under warranty. My parents also bought a
2000
Accord brand-new and have not had to repair/replace anything (other than
wear items). They're built down the road from me and my experiences have
been 2 for 2. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one, except that they're
underpowered and uninspiring.
On 2/26/06, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curt Raymond wrote:
It's not just the Toyotas and Hondas, - when I owned a MB parts
accessories mail order business I heard all kinds of things -- people
would
say, It's an $80,000 automobile - I should *never* have to check or
add
oil!! Unfortunately he was serious. Didn't bother to ask him about
the
brake fluid of ATF changes - all he wanted was Chrome wheels. ;-\
Speaking of that, I check my oil regularly, and finally had to add a
quart
to the '99 E300TD, 10.5K mi into my stewardship. (It is a FSS car, bought
from a stealership, and the FSS counter was at 9100 when I bought it. The
counter now sits at 2100, 3.5 mos and 10.5K mi later) I don't know if its
because the 606 is a tighter engine or if it is because it is highway
mileage, but I'm impressed :)
-j.
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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Get a load of the luck that this poor sap has had with Honda *quality* http://cgi.ebay.ca/2001-Unsafe-Honda-Insight-Own-a-peice-of-History_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31839QQitemZ4613284728QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW At least if the winning bidder actually pays for the thing, hell recoup his financial losses. In most U.S. states he could force the manufacturer to buy the car back as a lemon. I take it Canada doesn't have anything like that?
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
I just had another incident of japanese *quality*. A guy who works with my wife has a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid. The thing only has 134,000 miles on it, all easy highway miles and has been properly maintained. 2 weeks ago without warning it threw a rod through the side of the block, no low oil light or anything, just boom. They brag about an 8 year warranty on the batteries, but only about 30k miles on the engine. So the guy has a dead honda with two years left on the note. It's going to cost him well over $3000 to have a USED engine put in the thing ( gee, wonder if it'll last as long as the last one ) And to top it off, that hybrid NEVER got the kind of fuel milage that they bragged about, in fact it got about the same or less than most of these MB diesels. To think he could have been commuting 140 miles a day in comfort instead of getting his bones rattled for the same fuel milage. --Robert Curt Raymond wrote: I think that because of the reliability of the Toyotas and Hondas people will tend to skimp on maintenance. A friend of mine has a '93 Camry he bought from his inlaws. At one point I asked how often he changed the oil. Oh whenever I think of it... It wasn't long after that he put a new engine in because of citical bearing failure. Now with something like 200k on the ticker he wasn't too broken up about it. $3000 later had a new 100,000 mile engine in which he's still driving (4 years later) after something like another 100,000 miles but now he uses synthetic oil changed at 8k. Remember the Honda comercial where they welded the hood shut? I had a teacher in highschool that believed it. Never checked the oil, added any oil or anything. That engine lasted like 20kmi... So the engine was replaced, then she checked the oil and just kept adding as it went down. In something like 30k she was back at the shop for engine #3... -Curt Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:29:53 -0600 From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm beginning to think that all the hype on Toyotas and Hondas is just a byproduct of sheer numbers. I see the things with all kinds of problems all the time ( and I politely tell the owners who to take them to because I refuse to work on the things ) . I think the reason that we hear so much hype about them is because with so stinking many of the things being built all the time, the law of avarages is going to produce a seemingly high number of exceedingly positive stories, but from what I see, they are no better, and possibly worse than many other makes. I honestly see more problems with toyotas than fords or GMs these days. My mother bought a Toyota camery last year ( after passing on a 2 year old MB that was previously owned by a friends son who was an MB mechanic and had all the bugs out of the thing for about the same money ) and even with a supposed warrenty she's had to put out a bundle in uncovered repair expenses on the thing. Toyota and honda owners generally get real defensive about their cars, but if you dig deep enough you find that most are spending as much or in many cases way more to keep the things on the road. -Road - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
I know what you mean about the Kia. I had to rent a Kia Reo in Manchester NH airport and drive it to Augusta maine. By the time I got there I was in so much pain I couldn't even get out of the thing, and I was completely worn out from trying to keep the little rattle trap on the road. It only had about 7000 miles on it. -Robert Probably not if you ever drove one. I got stuck wth a Kia Sedona or whatever its called. A mini-van. I asked for the cheapest shit-box they had. They upgraded me to the mini-van. The gas gauge moved noticeably as I drove down I-95. It got 15.8mpg. I returned it promptly as soon as they had an econo-car, which was a Hyundai something or other. Both felt like crap, swerving on hard acceleration wishy-washy steering/suspension uncomfortable. at least the Hyundai car got better than 25 mpg. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: I'm beginning to think that all the hype on Toyotas and Hondas is just a byproduct of sheer numbers. I think it's more a perception left over from a couple of decades ago when the quality of the domestic makes was very bad. Hondas and Toyotas were extremely well built by comparison. It wasn't unusual for a magazine like Consumer Reports to buy a Ford or Chevrolet and find a dozen factory defects. Now the quality of Honda and Toyota has declined a little, while the quality of the American makes has improved markedly. The difference is mostly gone, but the hype persists.
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
Lessee in the nearly 3 years I've had this job I've had several rentals, There was an '04 Kia Optima, '04 Chevy Malibu Classic, '04 Dodge Neon, '05 Nissan Sentra, '05 Nissan Altima, '05 Chevy Cobalt, '05 Pontiac Grand Am, '05 Honda Civic (some sort of sporty edition), '05 Dodge Caravan (almost forgot this one it was so memorable), '06 Dodge Neon, '06 Mazda 6. Theres at least one more in there, I remember the trip but not what I had for a car, possibly another Neon. The ones that really stick out in my head: The Kia which had a form of tiptronic trans that was pretty fun to drive. Gas mileage was a stinky 25ishmpg but I was driving the stink out of it playing with the tiptronic. The Malibu Classic which was a surprisingly good car, looked sort of like a cross between the new Cavalier and the old Corsica. Got a satisfying 35mpg. The Cobalt which was the worst car I've ever had, everything about it was wrong. It had no power, lousy mileage and ergonomics apparently designed specifically not for me. Where ever I expected a switch or control to be was exactly where it wasn't. The Altima was my favorite rental ever until I drove the Mazda 6. The Mazda had every control in exactly the right place, perfect balance of power and control, plenty of space and decent economy for a larger car. #3 favorite was the Civic which was a good car to have in LA, powerful but small I slid it through traffic with no worries. When I went looking for a new car I considered first the Mazda, then the Nissan and Honda, then saved my money and got my 190D. -Curt Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:23:34 -0800 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I would agree that a buyer of a Hyundai is not expecting an MB but I assume they are sort of expecting something similar to a Honda / Toyota. My recollection is that buyers of both of those brands are generally pretty happy. Can't blame the current MB buyers for expecting something above and beyond the ordinary given the history, the old reputation and the cost. Too bad they don't get it in so many cases. I'll stick with the old MB. Friends have an 01 E430 4Matic and it is truly beautiful but I don't think I could afford the costs after warranty ran out. Of course, I have a couple of Toyotas and they have not been without their wrinkles either. I sort of expected better given the hype. Randy B (who sounds like he is complaining when I re-read the above - not my intention really) - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 14 02:29:30 2006 Received: from web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.37]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F8pwX-0004dP-VS for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:29:30 + Received: (qmail 27567 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2006 02:29:18 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=db9YA8A07+W10nf05QcO9e0+QAf1jev67jUToQnGtFeWX9+cVn/QrN04xeddxoOqBNnJvdH5itUiWtiXUFh91SGzyfNodzTSF55PUiGfmca0heM0wg7MN2RgrRp8G76Bx1CkZnAigWtN8B6q1aUUSmSLOza5fckqY7peedBlk+Q= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [24.63.168.75] by web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:29:18 PST Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:29:18 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:29:30 - Did you not expect a really small car getting a Rio? They're like one of the smallest cars sold in the US today... -Curt Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:15:06 -0600 From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO
[MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
If I am not mistaken, buyers of new Hyundai automobiles were happier with them last year than purchasers of new MB automobiles.. Keep in mind that the expectations of a Hyundai or Kia buyer are probably a bit lower that an MB buyer. As one example, look at the newest Corolla. I drove an Enterprise '05 Corolla briefly last last when my C320 was in for a fix. It was noisy, both road noise and engine, and in an attempt to make the rear compartment look roomy, the front seat travel was restricted. As a result, my knees were bent and the wheel was in my chest. I couldn't wait to turn it in. And yet they sell very well because the typical buyer of cars like this does not expect more. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
mercedes is the jaguar of the 21st century. in terms of long term performance and support, i'd buy a new Hyundai over a new Mercedes any day of the week On 2/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I am not mistaken, buyers of new Hyundai automobiles were happier with them last year than purchasers of new MB automobiles.. Keep in mind that the expectations of a Hyundai or Kia buyer are probably a bit lower that an MB buyer. As one example, look at the newest Corolla. I drove an Enterprise '05 Corolla briefly last last when my C320 was in for a fix. It was noisy, both road noise and engine, and in an attempt to make the rear compartment look roomy, the front seat travel was restricted. As a result, my knees were bent and the wheel was in my chest. I couldn't wait to turn it in. And yet they sell very well because the typical buyer of cars like this does not expect more. RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
On Monday, February 13, 2006, at 05:01 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: mercedes is the jaguar of the 21st century. in terms of long term performance and support, i'd buy a new Hyundai over a new Mercedes any day of the week Probably not if you ever drove one. I got stuck wth a Kia Sedona or whatever its called. A mini-van. I asked for the cheapest shit-box they had. They upgraded me to the mini-van. The gas gauge moved noticeably as I drove down I-95. It got 15.8mpg. I returned it promptly as soon as they had an econo-car, which was a Hyundai something or other. Both felt like crap, swerving on hard acceleration wishy-washy steering/suspension uncomfortable. at least the Hyundai car got better than 25 mpg. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
jaguar's drove nice too. bosch makes lucas look lke pure genius On 2/13/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, February 13, 2006, at 05:01 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: mercedes is the jaguar of the 21st century. in terms of long term performance and support, i'd buy a new Hyundai over a new Mercedes any day of the week Probably not if you ever drove one. I got stuck wth a Kia Sedona or whatever its called. A mini-van. I asked for the cheapest shit-box they had. They upgraded me to the mini-van. The gas gauge moved noticeably as I drove down I-95. It got 15.8mpg. I returned it promptly as soon as they had an econo-car, which was a Hyundai something or other. Both felt like crap, swerving on hard acceleration wishy-washy steering/suspension uncomfortable. at least the Hyundai car got better than 25 mpg. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB
I would agree that a buyer of a Hyundai is not expecting an MB but I assume they are sort of expecting something similar to a Honda / Toyota. My recollection is that buyers of both of those brands are generally pretty happy. Can't blame the current MB buyers for expecting something above and beyond the ordinary given the history, the old reputation and the cost. Too bad they don't get it in so many cases. I'll stick with the old MB. Friends have an 01 E430 4Matic and it is truly beautiful but I don't think I could afford the costs after warranty ran out. Of course, I have a couple of Toyotas and they have not been without their wrinkles either. I sort of expected better given the hype. Randy B (who sounds like he is complaining when I re-read the above - not my intention really) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Hyundai vs MB If I am not mistaken, buyers of new Hyundai automobiles were happier with them last year than purchasers of new MB automobiles.. Keep in mind that the expectations of a Hyundai or Kia buyer are probably a bit lower that an MB buyer. As one example, look at the newest Corolla. I drove an Enterprise '05 Corolla briefly last last when my C320 was in for a fix. It was noisy, both road noise and engine, and in an attempt to make the rear compartment look roomy, the front seat travel was restricted. As a result, my knees were bent and the wheel was in my chest. I couldn't wait to turn it in. And yet they sell very well because the typical buyer of cars like this does not expect more. RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
