Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black
On 22/04/2014 9:43 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Too right. When my '85 went wrong it did it all at once and went VERY wrong. I was taking an offramp at speed (the day after a ChowdaQ actually) when all of a sudden the rear end went all weird. I thought we'd blown a tire... -Curt Does this apply to most MB models? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black
Randy Bennell wrote: On 22/04/2014 9:43 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Too right. When my '85 went wrong it did it all at once and went VERY wrong. I was taking an offramp at speed (the day after a ChowdaQ actually) when all of a sudden the rear end went all weird. I thought we'd blown a tire... -Curt Does this apply to most MB models? Does not apply to cars prior to W201. Applies equally to W124 and W201, as they are mechanically nearly identical. Not sure about other newer cars. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black
Presumably anything with a 5 link rear suspension which AFAIK is everything after the 201. -Curt Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:12:45 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black Message-ID: 5357e67d.7030...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 22/04/2014 9:43 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Too right. When my '85 went wrong it did it all at once and went VERY wrong. I was taking an offramp at speed (the day after a ChowdaQ actually) when all of a sudden the rear end went all weird. I thought we'd blown a tire... -Curt Does this apply to most MB models? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black
Too right. When my '85 went wrong it did it all at once and went VERY wrong. I was taking an offramp at speed (the day after a ChowdaQ actually) when all of a sudden the rear end went all weird. I thought we'd blown a tire... -Curt Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:32:34 -0400 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black Message-ID: cahonrr5ztxkwplpbibahgbgsabrzym2v08-uoj2k9njqfxy...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I agree with you and Hendrik that when a 201 has good suspension, it is a joy. I'm just agreeing with Jim that when a 201 or 124 goes bad, they can go REALLY bad. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Kaleb wrote: Is pervine still alive? I was hoping that someone from around there might be able to say something? Did John work for Matt? Did Matt move to ME? Does Gary know? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Cama moved to ME. Was pervine in atlanta too? On 4/22/2014 7:43 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Kaleb wrote: Is pervine still alive? I was hoping that someone from around there might be able to say something? Did John work for Matt? Did Matt move to ME? Does Gary know? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Kaleb wrote: Cama moved to ME. Was pervine in atlanta too? Pervine was in ATL. Cama moved north someplace and I thought I heard it was ME. Didn't he come from upstate NY? Where's Berryman when we need NY info. Canfield? - speak up. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time but the 126 is comfy, like a 123. We could argue the 500E is the best of them but pretty rare and probably mostly thrashed out by now. The 400E would be a nice car but we never got that one. Hendrik who would love a 126 mit OM On 21/04/14 12:20, WILTON wrote: 124 is good, but 126 is best. Drives like flying on a cool clear day; rock steady; only slight pressure left or right on steering wheel to put it 'zackly where ya want it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back WILTON wrote: 123's are STILL very good looking cars. A well maintained, immaculate one is fantastic. 'Still miss my '80 240D. 'Best riding/driving, though, is 126. Is the 124 the best handling car you've had? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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If you were making a trip around the periphery of Australia, what would be your vehicle of choice; bearing in mind that you could get stranded a long way out in the bush? Gerry The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time but the 126 is comfy, like a 123. We could argue the 500E is the best of them but pretty rare and probably mostly thrashed out by now. The 400E would be a nice car but we never got that one. Hendrik who would love a 126 mit OM On 21/04/14 12:20, WILTON wrote: 124 is good, but 126 is best. Drives like flying on a cool clear day; rock steady; only slight pressure left or right on steering wheel to put it 'zackly where ya want it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back WILTON wrote: 123's are STILL very good looking cars. A well maintained, immaculate one is fantastic. 'Still miss my '80 240D. 'Best riding/driving, though, is 126. Is the 124 the best handling car you've had? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Is this question limited to MB's? I would have no hesitation to take my current MB around Oz, or if I wanted to really go bush, I might take the mog. Hendrik who has faith On 21/04/14 18:59, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: If you were making a trip around the periphery of Australia, what would be your vehicle of choice; bearing in mind that you could get stranded a long way out in the bush? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time... And the worst! Overly worn suspensions on earlier models still drive all right. On the 201/124, it feels like it wants to kill you at every turn. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I was thinking any vehicle. If you had taken the trip before the north-south highway was completed, would you have taken the Mercedes then? Gerry Is this question limited to MB's? I would have no hesitation to take my current MB around Oz, or if I wanted to really go bush, I might take the mog. Hendrik who has faith On 21/04/14 18:59, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: If you were making a trip around the periphery of Australia, what would be your vehicle of choice; bearing in mind that you could get stranded a long way out in the bush? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Come on guys, Now if you want the real comfort and handling full size MB, you get the 116. I've had my 1980 300SD for about 18 years now. Still solid as a rock and a pure joy to drive or just ride in when the wife drives (really her car). I've ridden in 126 300SDs, but found them nothing special. I don't like the design of the front seats as they tend to tear easier and the backs of the rear seats tear from the Sun's heat. Also, all the plastic lower panels and bumpers make them look less MB than the other older models. Yes, it's all personal preference, but except for that crazy Chrysler servo, the 116 SD is pretty much a bullet proof car. Mine still has the original exhaust system with around 425,000 miles. It's always been run on dino oil and never had the head off. Just another opinion. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Sadly I have not seen a W116 down this way in a decade or so. They all rusted away. They rusted away in Germany, too. Ditto for the W115s -- tin worms love them. W108s were stronger, but have all gone by now, I'm going to have to put mine in the recycle, there isn't enough left to fix. A W116 was indeed a wonderful car, but I prefer the W126 -- much lighter, better fuel milage, and they last forever. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I always liked the W116 styling, but it seems like every one I ever saw had varying degrees of rust. Hopefully yours has always been a Southern car? Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 21, 2014, at 8:51 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Come on guys, Now if you want the real comfort and handling full size MB, you get the 116. I've had my 1980 300SD for about 18 years now. Still solid as a rock and a pure joy to drive or just ride in when the wife drives (really her car). I've ridden in 126 300SDs, but found them nothing special. I don't like the design of the front seats as they tend to tear easier and the backs of the rear seats tear from the Sun's heat. Also, all the plastic lower panels and bumpers make them look less MB than the other older models. Yes, it's all personal preference, but except for that crazy Chrysler servo, the 116 SD is pretty much a bullet proof car. Mine still has the original exhaust system with around 425,000 miles. It's always been run on dino oil and never had the head off. Just another opinion. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Dan, You are correct about the Southern car. It was purchased from the dealership here in Atlanta when new. A doctor owned it for it's first 16 years and I've had it ever since. It does not have rust. The only front suspension work was the tie rods. But, I don't do Italian tuneups (less drive train stress to use an additive) and it always gotten 3K oil/filter changes. And yes, it's gone through several servos ( I can change one out in about 25 minutes), which hasn't been a problem because George Murphy warrants his servos. It gets good mileage if I take it on a trip. But mostly, it's made with better steel than the newer versions. I trust my wife's life it the 116, not sure I'd do that in some of the thinner, newer models, even if you add the airbags. Again, we all like what we like Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Amen Jim! I test drive a 201 with worn suspension, and going 35 mph was very scary. Immediately returned it to the used car dealer, polite no thanks and kept looking... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 8:07 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time... And the worst! Overly worn suspensions on earlier models still drive all right. On the 201/124, it feels like it wants to kill you at every turn. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Well it's generally better to take a 4x4 on dirt tracks so the mog would have been the go, or my old Diesel Patrol with bullbar. However a 123 Diesel with sump guard would do as well. A window guard is also handy. Hendrik who has a fair bit of respect for dirt roads On 21/04/14 21:48, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I was thinking any vehicle. If you had taken the trip before the north-south highway was completed, would you have taken the Mercedes then? Gerry Is this question limited to MB's? I would have no hesitation to take my current MB around Oz, or if I wanted to really go bush, I might take the mog. Hendrik who has faith On 21/04/14 18:59, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: If you were making a trip around the periphery of Australia, what would be your vehicle of choice; bearing in mind that you could get stranded a long way out in the bush? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I never said that a worn 201 is the best handling. Rear steer is an issue with the multi link suspension but that should be fixed, can be fixed and is not that expensive to fix. Used to have a manual 190E and that thing handled like it was on rails and was a real fun car to drive, let down by cramped interior. Also not as comfy as the 123, which soaked up the bumps and stuff real well. The 123/126 are cruisers but not meant for going quick around corners. Hendrik who is also a bit worn On 22/04/14 08:25, Meade Dillon wrote: Amen Jim! I test drive a 201 with worn suspension, and going 35 mph was very scary. Immediately returned it to the used car dealer, polite no thanks and kept looking... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 8:07 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time... And the worst! Overly worn suspensions on earlier models still drive all right. On the 201/124, it feels like it wants to kill you at every turn. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Roger wrote: Now if you want the real comfort and handling full size MB, you get the 116. 116 took a long time to make it in to this thread. I agree with Roger - 116 is a great ride. We were sad after we sold ours to John Ervine. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Thats too bad, a properly setup 201 is an absolute delight to drive. That said I'm starting to believe few people can really work on them. My '85 was right when I first got it but my Indy was loathe to replace all the rear rubber bits in one go so it was never right again after the first link let go. The '84 I had him redo everything, rear links and subframe mounts. I think this car was hit at some point so its never been quite right. Fred tells me he knows of a genius alignment guru, I'm thinking to take it to him and see if maybe new tires and a really good alignment by somebody who knows more than the computer can get it there. -Curt Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:55:10 -0400 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black Message-ID: cahonrr5seoz6tq0r6vf2oc6-tabqblpvsuekx9q+ry93maq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Amen Jim! I test drive a 201 with worn suspension, and going 35 mph was very scary. Immediately returned it to the used car dealer, polite no thanks and kept looking... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 8:07 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time... And the worst! Overly worn suspensions on earlier models still drive all right. On the 201/124, it feels like it wants to kill you at every turn. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Is pervine still alive? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 21, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Roger wrote: Now if you want the real comfort and handling full size MB, you get the 116. 116 took a long time to make it in to this thread. I agree with Roger - 116 is a great ride. We were sad after we sold ours to John Ervine. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I agree with you and Hendrik that when a 201 has good suspension, it is a joy. I'm just agreeing with Jim that when a 201 or 124 goes bad, they can go REALLY bad. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 9:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats too bad, a properly setup 201 is an absolute delight to drive. That said I'm starting to believe few people can really work on them. My '85 was right when I first got it but my Indy was loathe to replace all the rear rubber bits in one go so it was never right again after the first link let go. The '84 I had him redo everything, rear links and subframe mounts. I think this car was hit at some point so its never been quite right. Fred tells me he knows of a genius alignment guru, I'm thinking to take it to him and see if maybe new tires and a really good alignment by somebody who knows more than the computer can get it there. -Curt Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:55:10 -0400 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back in black Message-ID: cahonrr5seoz6tq0r6vf2oc6-tabqblpvsuekx9q+ry93maq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Amen Jim! I test drive a 201 with worn suspension, and going 35 mph was very scary. Immediately returned it to the used car dealer, polite no thanks and kept looking... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Apr 21, 2014 8:07 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The 201 is probably the best handling car of that time... And the worst! Overly worn suspensions on earlier models still drive all right. On the 201/124, it feels like it wants to kill you at every turn. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
