Re: [MBZ] J**ps (was: Re: The new G-Wagen)
have another beer; most of that made sense!;-) if he's just looking for better gearing, he should know that gears in XJs (and some MJs) went down to 4.10; much easier to find one of those and just swap the axles from it in than going through the hassle of moving mounts, etc.,... as for the TCase, it's not clear whether he's talking about having done some mod to make the rear output of his 'Fixed', or what,... but i can assure you that the 231s in J**ps used a slip-yoke into years much later than mine, and perhaps up 'til the end of the model run. (doing a short-tailcone and fixed rear output mod is a very common upgrade to address what many see as an Achilles heel in these things.) cheers! e redghost wrote: I just smile and take another swig of beer while with him. so my explain is really weak. Will give it a try though We hit the PnP every so often to get goodies. He is after dead cherokees and Exploders to make the crummy Dana gearing in the back of his work. He figured out the Ford axle works great at the rear, but you have to move brake lines and shock mounts. Hooks up at the U joint He also lifted his a bit. so there is a little chance he could lose the shaft at the TC. His is a late 80's 4L, and according to him, the back end cone got upgraded with a sort of locking pin to keep the TC sealed if you lost the back shaft, instead of losing all fluid when the shaft gets pooped out. Must reduce slip out, to shear off at the U joint. Upgraded cone in the 94? maybe. As for gearing, I suspect he is looking for the better (lower) gearing offered in later model diff. Sorry for clueless ramblings. If this actually makes sense, I will have to drink another beer. On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 11:21 AM, ernest breakfield wrote: hi Clay! can you expound some more on what BiL's doing? never heard of anyone taking anything off of an Exploder to put on an XJ except for the rear disc brakes, and that doesn't have anything to do with the gearing... likewise, what exactly are you talking about WRT the T'Case? the seal will pop and poop the shaft out? XJ T'Cases were made with slip-yokes at the rear output, and some people will pull the yoke out of the T'Case while flexing up if they've lifted the rig and not compensated for the change in driveline length, but i've never heard of anyone losing a shaft because of a seal failure,... cheers! e Cherokee upgrades with Furd Exploder parts. My BiL is in the process of taking a salvage cherokee and has upgraded axles with exploder bits. Gets better gearing. Has to play with the transfer case. There is a problem where the seal will pop and poop the shaft out. Fix for that is the newer boot. On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 07:24 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: The solid axle debate is also one of those east coast/west coast things that I think the 4x4 magazines make into a big dumb thing thats really not that big a deal. On the east coast, particularly in the northeast I'd say theres not a whole lot of rock crawling to be done so what they California crowd values in a 4x4 is not that important. Mostly what we've got here is mud. Southern Maine in particular has sink it to the axles clay/sand mud that'll get yeh. For a woods truck I place more value on things like a limited slip (or locker) in the diff and a manageable amount of power. Too often during hunting season we'll ease through a tough spot following a trail of parts and gear oil up to the guy with the big block V8 thats gotten too happy with the go pedal. My Dad has a Liberty with a limited slip rear end and for normal conditions its not bad at all. He had a Chevy Tracker before that also with a limited slip that was nice. My mother had a Cherokee that was a steaming pile of dog crap in the woods. Had way too much power for the gearing, and bad clearance. Places the Tracker could slide through in 2wd with the limited slip just barely engaging the Cherokee could barely bounce through in 4wd churning snorting and sucking fuel like it was going out of style. I hated that Cherokee... -Curt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of TimothyPilgrim Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:08 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] The new G-Wagen Could someone elaborate why a solid axle is preferable to independent suspension when it comes to a 4x4? Tim 1982 300TD Moby image.tiff Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump
[MBZ] J**ps (was: Re: The new G-Wagen)
hi Clay! can you expound some more on what BiL's doing? never heard of anyone taking anything off of an Exploder to put on an XJ except for the rear disc brakes, and that doesn't have anything to do with the gearing... likewise, what exactly are you talking about WRT the T'Case? the seal will pop and poop the shaft out? XJ T'Cases were made with slip-yokes at the rear output, and some people will pull the yoke out of the T'Case while flexing up if they've lifted the rig and not compensated for the change in driveline length, but i've never heard of anyone losing a shaft because of a seal failure,... cheers! e Cherokee upgrades with Furd Exploder parts. My BiL is in the process of taking a salvage cherokee and has upgraded axles with exploder bits. Gets better gearing. Has to play with the transfer case. There is a problem where the seal will pop and poop the shaft out. Fix for that is the newer boot. On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 07:24 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: The solid axle debate is also one of those east coast/west coast things that I think the 4x4 magazines make into a big dumb thing thats really not that big a deal. On the east coast, particularly in the northeast I'd say theres not a whole lot of rock crawling to be done so what they California crowd values in a 4x4 is not that important. Mostly what we've got here is mud. Southern Maine in particular has sink it to the axles clay/sand mud that'll get yeh. For a woods truck I place more value on things like a limited slip (or locker) in the diff and a manageable amount of power. Too often during hunting season we'll ease through a tough spot following a trail of parts and gear oil up to the guy with the big block V8 thats gotten too happy with the go pedal. My Dad has a Liberty with a limited slip rear end and for normal conditions its not bad at all. He had a Chevy Tracker before that also with a limited slip that was nice. My mother had a Cherokee that was a steaming pile of dog crap in the woods. Had way too much power for the gearing, and bad clearance. Places the Tracker could slide through in 2wd with the limited slip just barely engaging the Cherokee could barely bounce through in 4wd churning snorting and sucking fuel like it was going out of style. I hated that Cherokee... -Curt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of TimothyPilgrim Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:08 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] The new G-Wagen Could someone elaborate why a solid axle is preferable to independent suspension when it comes to a 4x4? Tim 1982 300TD Moby image.tiff Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] J**ps (was: Re: The new G-Wagen)
hi Donald! i have indeed always admired the look of the old Wagoneers, but they're just too large for many of the places we squeeze into in the XJ (like, for example, where we've had to fold back the mirrors on the XJ to squeeze through some of the slot canyons we've been up in the Anza Borrego Dez, or between trees on trails in the Sierra...), and indeed a little shy on clearance or drag angles for many of the places we've been. i knew a guy who had a beautiful mildly prepared Grand Waggy that performed fabulously after he got rid of the stock motor in favor of a Buick V-6, but it was still just too large to get into a lot of the places we wanted to go. cheers! e I think if you want an older Jeep with amazing off road performance, you should look at a Wagoneer. I know people either love them or hate them. They are amazing off roaders. When I had mine I would roam the trails, streams, mudpits, woods, etc and never got stuck. More than a few times I had to use the Wagoneer to pull other people's 4X4's out. The old quadra track (with granny low) never failed me. The clearance is not as good as the other jeeps, so large rock hopping is not really possible. I did see a guy with a Wagoneer who put a big lift kit on it and modified it and he could climb anything. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] J**ps (was: Re: The new G-Wagen)
Hola I am considering another set of wheels for here in Mexico. What years are good? What engine/tranny combo is the most reliable? adios amigos On 9/13/05, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Donald! i have indeed always admired the look of the old Wagoneers, but they're just too large for many of the places we squeeze into in the XJ (like, for example, where we've had to fold back the mirrors on the XJ to squeeze through some of the slot canyons we've been up in the Anza Borrego Dez, or between trees on trails in the Sierra...), and indeed a little shy on clearance or drag angles for many of the places we've been. i knew a guy who had a beautiful mildly prepared Grand Waggy that performed fabulously after he got rid of the stock motor in favor of a Buick V-6, but it was still just too large to get into a lot of the places we wanted to go. cheers! e I think if you want an older Jeep with amazing off road performance, you should look at a Wagoneer. I know people either love them or hate them. They are amazing off roaders. When I had mine I would roam the trails, streams, mudpits, woods, etc and never got stuck. More than a few times I had to use the Wagoneer to pull other people's 4X4's out. The old quadra track (with granny low) never failed me. The clearance is not as good as the other jeeps, so large rock hopping is not really possible. I did see a guy with a Wagoneer who put a big lift kit on it and modified it and he could climb anything. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Don Teresa Merriman Market Place Mexico Vacation Rentals Property Administration www.marketplacemexico.com http://www.marketplacemexico.com
Re: [MBZ] J**ps (was: Re: The new G-Wagen)
how about a chevy 350 with the turbomatic transmission? it bolts up nicely ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ---BeginMessage--- Hola I am considering another set of wheels for here in Mexico. What years are good? What engine/tranny combo is the most reliable? adios amigos On 9/13/05, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Donald! i have indeed always admired the look of the old Wagoneers, but they're just too large for many of the places we squeeze into in the XJ (like, for example, where we've had to fold back the mirrors on the XJ to squeeze through some of the slot canyons we've been up in the Anza Borrego Dez, or between trees on trails in the Sierra...), and indeed a little shy on clearance or drag angles for many of the places we've been. i knew a guy who had a beautiful mildly prepared Grand Waggy that performed fabulously after he got rid of the stock motor in favor of a Buick V-6, but it was still just too large to get into a lot of the places we wanted to go. cheers! e I think if you want an older Jeep with amazing off road performance, you should look at a Wagoneer. I know people either love them or hate them. They are amazing off roaders. When I had mine I would roam the trails, streams, mudpits, woods, etc and never got stuck. More than a few times I had to use the Wagoneer to pull other people's 4X4's out. The old quadra track (with granny low) never failed me. The clearance is not as good as the other jeeps, so large rock hopping is not really possible. I did see a guy with a Wagoneer who put a big lift kit on it and modified it and he could climb anything. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Don Teresa Merriman Market Place Mexico Vacation Rentals Property Administration www.marketplacemexico.com http://www.marketplacemexico.com ---End Message---
Re: [MBZ] J**ps (was: Re: The new G-Wagen)
Ola, Don! not sure if you're asking about XJs or Grand Waggys; Donald can probably tell you more the Waggys than i can. if looking for an XJ (labeled as Cherokees, Laredos, Wagoneers, Pioneers, and more depending on the whims of the marketeers), i'd want: - the 4.0L engine; one of the longest lasting gassers ever. not the best fuel economy, but generally considered fairly reliable, with a beautifully broad and flat torque curve. the smaller engines had much less power and didn't get much better fuel economy anyway. - the AW4 Auto Trans; another one of the longest lasting pieces ever produced. it's hard to find anyone who knows how to rebuild them, 'cuz they almost never need to be rebuilt! - the NP231 T'Case (a.k.a CommandTrack) no Full-Time 4WD, but much simpler, and actually rated for higher torque ratings than the Full-Time (242/SelecTrack) T'Cases. those seem to be generally considered the most reliable of the bunch of part found in the XJ, and you should be able to find that combo in a wide range of years. (Grand Cherokees are a completely different story, and you can't find that collection of driveline parts in a Grand except for in the first half of MY '93.) if you want ABS, you don't want the earlier versions; later ABS systems had much fewer problems, and generally gave you the additional benefit of better u-joints in the front end. if you're allergic to drivers-side airbags, you don't want anything after '94. there's lots more, but that should get you started. i hope that helps! cheers! e Hola I am considering another set of wheels for here in Mexico. What years are good? What engine/tranny combo is the most reliable? adios amigos
Re: [MBZ] J**ps (was: Re: The new G-Wagen)
Don Merriman wrote: I am considering another set of wheels for here in Mexico. What years are good? What engine/tranny combo is the most reliable? adios amigos Are you asking about Jeeps, Grand Wagoneers, or other cars? Since this thread was about Jeeps and I mentioned the Wagoneers, I will answer it as it relates to Wagoneers. The last few years of the model were the best. 90-91 are very desirable. If it has been taken care of the 86-89 are also very nice. They upgraded nearly everything and had managed to figure out the supply for the components. You know on these monsters parts came from lots of different manufacturers. I had a '78 Wagoneer and an 89. The '78 had much tougher 4x4 gear, but the 89 was just a better truck. Be warned, however, the 360 Dodge engine really likes to drink gas. Especially when you have full time four wheel drive. I think this was in all of them from at least 78 through 91. My '78 Wagoneer was old enough that it had an 8 track it and the dealer installed CB. It was so retro that now it would be cool. Don Snook 300D 2.5 Turbo 247K
