Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Hendrik wrote: How much are axle stands these days? Not bloody much when compared to the cost of your medical system over there. Halfway decent Chinese 4 leg stands with ratchet height adjusters are about $25-35US with a cheap hydraulic floor jack included. (but you will probably want to chock the wheels, lift with the factory jack, and put the stand under the rubber jack point) If you have any of the 1970's style with a three legged 5 wide base, and height adjustment by sticking a 3/8 pin in a hole, scrap them and get something better. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:54:56 -0400 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (but you will probably want to chock the wheels, lift with the factory jack, and put the stand under the rubber jack point) Rubber jack point? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
That's my point, you can buy heavy duty (relative to a car) stands for not much money. Still you have to be careful where you use them, on concrete/asphalt no problem but on soft ground extra care needs to be taken. It is a good idea once the car is up to try and move it with your hand to determine how stable it is, you do not want to find out the hard way. Mitch Haley wrote: Halfway decent Chinese 4 leg stands with ratchet height adjusters are about $25-35US with a cheap hydraulic floor jack included. (but you will probably want to chock the wheels, lift with the factory jack, and put the stand under the rubber jack point) If you have any of the 1970's style with a three legged 5 wide base, and height adjustment by sticking a 3/8 pin in a hole, scrap them and get something better. ___ h ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Hendrik wrote: That's my point, you can buy heavy duty (relative to a car) stands for not much money. Still you have to be careful where you use them, on concrete/asphalt no problem but on soft ground extra care needs to be taken. It is a good idea once the car is up to try and move it with your hand to determine how stable it is, you do not want to find out the hard way. I do some work on my dirt driveway. Always put the stands, and often the jack, on a piece of 2x12 lumber. 12 long works fine for a jack stand, 36 for the floor jack so it can roll freely as it raises. Craig McCluskey wrote: Rubber jack point? My W201, and I'm pretty sure my W116, has four rubber pads under the body that are intended for lifting the entire car on a shop hoist. With the 201, it's mandatory to use these because many of the other possible jack points have plastic fairings or belly pans under them. (my 201 is a 16v, others may vary, I don't think all 201s have fairings on the control arms) When I want to raise the 201 fully, I put the back end on ramps and raise the front with the factory jack, putting the stands under the round rubber pads located inboard of the rocker panel jack tubes. I've only jacked up my 300SD to remove wheels, it's tall enough to let me do stuff like tranny fluid changes without raising the car. A previous owner put P215/75R14 tires on it, so it's taller than the average W116. Also gets 27mpg at 80mph, possibly aided by the larger rolling diameter of the tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Okay, here's one of my famous basic questions: Since I only really have the ability to jack up one end of the vehicle, am I better off – in terms of maximum ATF drainage – jacking up the front, or the rear of the vehicle? I'm assuming the rear is the answer, but doesn't hurt to ask. Talking about the 87 190D. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
It doesn't matter, as you're dropping the pan, so the angle won't matter. Same with the torque converter. Dan --- Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, here's one of my famous basic questions: Since I only really have the ability to jack up one end of the vehicle, am I better off in terms of maximum ATF drainage jacking up the front, or the rear of the vehicle? I'm assuming the rear is the answer, but doesn't hurt to ask. Talking about the 87 190D. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
On 8/17/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, here's one of my famous basic questions: Since I only really have the ability to jack up one end of the vehicle, am I better off – in terms of maximum ATF drainage – jacking up the front, or the rear of the vehicle? I'm assuming the rear is the answer, but doesn't hurt to ask. If you jack up the rear you can check the differential oil level while you're at it. (Always more pleasant when the fill hole is higher than normal, so that it doesn't dribble all over as you remove the plug [Actually I learned this lesson not from any Benzes but from my Trooper (with four fill plugs to worry about on the bottom)]). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Zoltan Finks wrote: Okay, here's one of my famous basic questions: Since I only really have the ability to jack up one end of the vehicle, am I better off – in terms of maximum ATF drainage – jacking up the front, or the rear of the vehicle? I'm assuming the rear is the answer, but doesn't hurt to ask. Talking about the 87 190D. Since you have to remove the pan to change the filter (the filter really MUST be changed with the ATF change) it doesn't matter, but the drain plug is at the back and so I'd jack up the front of the car. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Of course you will NOT be working UNDER the car with it supported by a jack, right? Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, here's one of my famous basic questions: Since I only really have the ability to jack up one end of the vehicle, am I better off -- in terms of maximum ATF drainage -- jacking up the front, or the rear of the vehicle? I'm assuming the rear is the answer, but doesn't hurt to ask. Talking about the 87 190D. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Well, I suppose I was going to use a jack stand at least. That's about the best I can do. Also, yes, I was referring to doing a filter change. I just didn't know if - with pan removed - more fluid would be allowed to drain from somewhere in the tranny if the car was tilted one way versus the other. Brian 87 190D On 8/17/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course you will NOT be working UNDER the car with it supported by a jack, right? Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, here's one of my famous basic questions: Since I only really have the ability to jack up one end of the vehicle, am I better off -- in terms of maximum ATF drainage -- jacking up the front, or the rear of the vehicle? I'm assuming the rear is the answer, but doesn't hurt to ask. Talking about the 87 190D. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
I don't know about your 87, but I can drain the torque converter on my 79 and 82 models (123 and 126, respectively) and I believe jacking (with jack stands) the front gives more room to train the TC. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 17:31 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter Okay, here's one of my famous basic questions: Since I only really have the ability to jack up one end of the vehicle, am I better off - in terms of maximum ATF drainage - jacking up the front, or the rear of the vehicle? I'm assuming the rear is the answer, but doesn't hurt to ask. Talking about the 87 190D. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Or he could get some more axle stands and lift the whole car to check everything. I am assuming that axle stands will be used and not some dodgy method. How much are axle stands these days? Not bloody much when compared to the cost of your medical system over there. Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 8/17/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, here's one of my famous basic questions: Since I only really have the ability to jack up one end of the vehicle, am I better off – in terms of maximum ATF drainage – jacking up the front, or the rear of the vehicle? I'm assuming the rear is the answer, but doesn't hurt to ask. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Actually I have a set of jack stands that I bought at Autozone probably a dozen years ago for cheap. I am assuming that it's pretty hard to build a faulty jackstand though? Brian On 8/17/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or he could get some more axle stands and lift the whole car to check everything. I am assuming that axle stands will be used and not some dodgy method. How much are axle stands these days? Not bloody much when compared to the cost of your medical system over there. Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 8/17/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, here's one of my famous basic questions: Since I only really have the ability to jack up one end of the vehicle, am I better off – in terms of maximum ATF drainage – jacking up the front, or the rear of the vehicle? I'm assuming the rear is the answer, but doesn't hurt to ask. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Jack the front, there are brakes on the rear that work to stop the car rolling off the 'singular' jack stand. I would advise that all your affairs are sorted and a will is made out. Don't forget to check your flex discs and steering linkages, may pay to pull out the steering dampener and check it. Zoltan Finks wrote: Well, I suppose I was going to use a jack stand at least. That's about the best I can do. Also, yes, I was referring to doing a filter change. I just didn't know if - with pan removed - more fluid would be allowed to drain from somewhere in the tranny if the car was tilted one way versus the other. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Not really, they are safety rated but if they have gone rusty.. Anyway, a while back I bought a pair of 5 tonne rated stands and they are the ducks guts when compared to the pissy cheaper stands that I used to use. On the cheaper ones the car can be rocked a little bit but the car is solid as rock on the 5 tonne ones. However all this talk about axle stands is distracting the gun crowd from their little discussion. Zoltan Finks wrote: Actually I have a set of jack stands that I bought at Autozone probably a dozen years ago for cheap. I am assuming that it's pretty hard to build a faulty jackstand though? Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
[intolerant commentary deleted] Correct, just because something left the factory rated that way doesn't mean environmental conditions haven't weakened it. Also keep in mind that the smaller jackstands can shift and move. Make sure they are all level, and make sure they are in good condition before proceeding underneath. Lifted 4x4 300TDs are fine to crawl underneath, but if a 300SD comes off a jackstand on you, you are GOING to have a bad day. Also wise to make sure you have someone that can hear you scream in case it falls on you, provided you survive the initial THWACK. On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:56:36AM +0930, Hendrik wrote: Not really, they are safety rated but if they have gone rusty.. Anyway, a while back I bought a pair of 5 tonne rated stands and they are the ducks guts when compared to the pissy cheaper stands that I used to use. On the cheaper ones the car can be rocked a little bit but the car is solid as rock on the 5 tonne ones. Zoltan Finks wrote: Actually I have a set of jack stands that I bought at Autozone probably a dozen years ago for cheap. I am assuming that it's pretty hard to build a faulty jackstand though? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jacking vehicle up to change ATF filter
Wow. I didn't think it was that uncommon to lie underneath a vehicle whilst it is jacked up and jack-standed. I spent much of my teen years doing that. And in the desert on the ground at night it was particularly unnerving to become aware of a Tarantula crawling toward you under the car. Your head kinda bounces between the undercarriage and the ground a few times before you drag yourself out from underneath the car. Then it's time for the either the WD40 or the carb cleaner and a lighter. Poof. Brian On 8/17/07, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [intolerant commentary deleted] Correct, just because something left the factory rated that way doesn't mean environmental conditions haven't weakened it. Also keep in mind that the smaller jackstands can shift and move. Make sure they are all level, and make sure they are in good condition before proceeding underneath. Lifted 4x4 300TDs are fine to crawl underneath, but if a 300SD comes off a jackstand on you, you are GOING to have a bad day. Also wise to make sure you have someone that can hear you scream in case it falls on you, provided you survive the initial THWACK. On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:56:36AM +0930, Hendrik wrote: Not really, they are safety rated but if they have gone rusty.. Anyway, a while back I bought a pair of 5 tonne rated stands and they are the ducks guts when compared to the pissy cheaper stands that I used to use. On the cheaper ones the car can be rocked a little bit but the car is solid as rock on the 5 tonne ones. Zoltan Finks wrote: Actually I have a set of jack stands that I bought at Autozone probably a dozen years ago for cheap. I am assuming that it's pretty hard to build a faulty jackstand though? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
