Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

2020-01-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
I love my 1983 W123 wagon more every day...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:31 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Yes and cheaper to assemble.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.
> >
> > Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse
> both
> > solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
> > (strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the
> Cessna
> > 
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
> > > screws or bolts.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is a riveting story!
> > > >
> > > > --FT
> > > >
> > > > On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
> > > have
> > > > tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise
> it,
> > > so I
> > > > popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and
> in
> > > > stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone
> > to
> > > > stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have
> > the
> > > > part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that.
> Another
> > > 2-3
> > > > to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of
> the
> > > old
> > > > regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with
> > some
> > > > scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it
> > even
> > > > easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> > > > >
> > > > > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> > > > homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this
> > in
> > > > under 30 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > -D
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> > OK Don
> >
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

2020-01-23 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
Yes and cheaper to assemble.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.
>
> Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse both
> solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
> (strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the Cessna
> 
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
> > screws or bolts.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This is a riveting story!
> > >
> > > --FT
> > >
> > > On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
> > have
> > > tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it,
> > so I
> > > popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
> > > stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone
> to
> > > stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have
> the
> > > part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another
> > 2-3
> > > to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the
> > old
> > > regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with
> some
> > > scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it
> even
> > > easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> > > >
> > > > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> > > homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this
> in
> > > under 30 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> > > >
> > > > -D
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> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

2020-01-23 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Andrew, it seems that Mercedes went to rivets on window regulators in the late 
90s. I know that W220 and W211 chassis cars use rivets as well. Probably 
cheaper to use and easier in production. The regulators aren’t nearly as 
substantial as in previous models, either. At least not in the W220s.

Don, I just use a manual riveter from HF like this one:

https://www.harborfreight.com/heavy-duty-17-1-2-half-inch-hand-riveter-with-collection-bottle-66422.html
 


My small riveter wouldn’t do rivets this size, and I don’t rivet enough to 
bother with the hassle of a pneumatic riveter. If this one had a negative it’s 
that you have to be able to get straight on at the rivet, so if it’s in a tight 
space you might have problems.

-D



> On Jan 23, 2020, at 7:08 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.
> 
> Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse both
> solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
> (strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the Cessna
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
>> screws or bolts.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a riveting story!
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
>> have
>>> tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it,
>> so I
>>> popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
>>> stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to
>>> stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the
>>> part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
 
 Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another
>> 2-3
>>> to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the
>> old
>>> regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some
>>> scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even
>>> easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
 
 New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
>>> homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in
>>> under 30 minutes.
 
 Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
 
 -D
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>>> 
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> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

2020-01-23 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.

Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse both
solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
(strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the Cessna


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
> screws or bolts.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a riveting story!
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
> have
> > tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it,
> so I
> > popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
> > stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to
> > stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the
> > part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> > >
> > > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another
> 2-3
> > to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the
> old
> > regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some
> > scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even
> > easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> > >
> > > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> > homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in
> > under 30 minutes.
> > >
> > > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> > >
> > > -D
> > > ___
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> > --
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> >
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OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

2020-01-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
screws or bolts.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is a riveting story!
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I have
> tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it, so I
> popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
> stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to
> stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the
> part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> >
> > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another 2-3
> to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the old
> regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some
> scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even
> easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> >
> > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in
> under 30 minutes.
> >
> > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> >
> > -D
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>
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

2020-01-23 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 

This is a riveting story!

--FT

On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I have tired 
of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it, so I popped 
for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in stock, a real 
“tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to stocking parts for a 
chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the part in stock I know they 
must commonly fail.

Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another 2-3 to 
drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the old 
regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some scrap 
metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even easier to 
remove the carcass of the old regulator.

New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old homestead 
and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in under 30 minutes.

Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.

-D
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[MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

2020-01-23 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I have tired 
of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it, so I popped 
for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in stock, a real 
“tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to stocking parts for a 
chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the part in stock I know they 
must commonly fail.

Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another 2-3 to 
drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the old 
regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some scrap 
metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even easier to 
remove the carcass of the old regulator.

New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old homestead 
and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in under 30 minutes.

Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.

-D
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